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[ubermensch007]

The Destiny Ascension is an asari dreadnought and flagship of the Citadel Fleet. It is a starship of stunning power; according to a volus visitor, it has almost as much firepower as the rest of the asari fleet
combined.And while the volus was on a recent tour of the mammoth vessel; he spent six hours upon it, and only saw 10% of the ship, for the vessel was simply far too large to tour completely.
The Ascension is currently commanded by the asari Matriarch Lidanya.

The Ascension is four times the size of the largest human ship,and boasts a crew of nearly 10,000. It is considered to be the most formidable warship in the galaxy, with heavy kinetic barriers and powerful weaponry. The Ascension is most likely the Citadel Fleet's largest ship, as no other Fleet vessels are seen that match it in size.



Lately I have been thinking about the BIG decision during the Battle of the Citadel in a new way.I'm wondering was it so much about deciding to either help or abandon the Citadel Council? Or Save or Destroy the Destiny Ascension?

The Normandy SR-1 and the Destiny Ascension have alot in common.For as the D.A. is the biggest baddest most advanced starship in the Citadel fleet and known galaxy (save a Reaper)

The Normandy SR-1 is the most advanced starship in the Alliance fleet.

One is destroyed in 2183, the other can be...


Now imagine what sort of psychological impact this all must have had on the inter stellar community.The two most advanced starships defeated and destroyed, by unknown forces.The Reapers definitely know how to send a
message... In Mass Effect 2 the Normandy is reborn.It is "upgraded" to the nth degree; and manages to decisively take out the Collector starship and avenge its sister vessel...

On account of this I see a possibility in Mass Effect 3.If you saved the Destiny Ascension in ME 1.And were reinstated as a Spectre.Than you shall be able to board and explore the D.A. and work to have it upgraded.So it to can do far better in Round 2 verses the Reapers and Geth.The Resistance needs something to rally behind.The Normandy is a powerful ship.But it is not a warship.It was designed for stealth and reconnaissance.On the other hand, the D.A. is known by all.Even those in the Terminus Systems must be aware of it.Who knows how long its been operational.It is a powerful symbol for all space faring species.No other vessel is more appropriate to play the part of flagship than it is.

I have come to think that what BioWare really wanted us to do and what was the best decision to make at the climax of Mass Effect 1 and 2 is:

The Paragon choice during the Battle of the Citadel and the Renegade choice during the Suicide Mission.We were meant to "keep" the Collector Base and "save" the Destiny Ascension... Think about it.Within the CB there lies (undoubtedly) the knowledge of how to create Reaper level kinetic barriers and so much more!

Imagine outfitting the D.A. with such mighty K.B. along with what it already has...

Yousee the problem with letting the Council die is that after the Battle of the Citadel, after Sovereign is defeated than there is just a vacuum in their absence.Akin to Superman & Doomsday's battle.They canceled each other out.Both were victorious and both lost:



Having the Collector Base without the Destiny Ascension is not a good trade off by any definition.You need the D.A.(Unfortunately I don't have it in my canon play-through.I wasn't about to take the risk that Sovy would
be victorious, so I chose to "Focus on Sovereign" - In ME 2, I kept the Collector Base.)

As for Mass Effect 3, perhaps the "Neutral" decision at the end will be the best option.If BioWare keeps with what they seem to have done in the previous games...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 27 août 2011 - 07:53 .

[marshalleck]

Take it or leave it. Dreadnoughts are not the answer to the Reaper problem.

[Leonia]

There's more Reapers than dreadnoughts out there, that's for sure, we're going to need MUCH bigger guns.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

If the collectors had access to reaper strength KB and didn't use them,they are just stupid.

[Reptillius]

We don't know if the collectors used them or not. all we have in comparison is one plot armoured reaper in a single battle in the end of ME1... One that the DA did not fire at or engage for that matter.

[marshalleck]

Sovereign would have beaten up the DA and taken its lunch money.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Reptillius wrote...

We don't know if the collectors used them or not. all we have in comparison is one plot armoured reaper in a single battle in the end of ME1... One that the DA did not fire at or engage for that matter.

Well,the collector vessel didn't really put up much of a fight against the Normandy...took a couple hits..

[Reptillius]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

We don't know if the collectors used them or not. all we have in comparison is one plot armoured reaper in a single battle in the end of ME1... One that the DA did not fire at or engage for that matter.

Well,the collector vessel didn't really put up much of a fight against the Normandy...took a couple hits..

Sadly i know the cutscene probably isn't all that different even against an unupgraded normandy... But the SR2 didn't fair so well in that collector ship encounter earlier in the game... though the SR2 at least survived that run in which it likely for most of us was at least partly upgraded...  And the Thanix Cannon is supposed to be a greatly improved weapon to what the normandy had before. Even somewhat based on Reaper tech that the Turians got their hands on to my understanding.  maybe that made a big difference against Reaper Level KB's...

[Pockles]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

We don't know if the collectors used them or not. all we have in comparison is one plot armoured reaper in a single battle in the end of ME1... One that the DA did not fire at or engage for that matter.

Well,the collector vessel didn't really put up much of a fight against the Normandy...took a couple hits..

The collector ship did get hit with a reaper gun. Not much could come out of that smiling.

I hope we get to see the DA in action if we saved it in ME1. We've been told it's pretty badass. Not sure why it didn't do anything against Sovereign though.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Reptillius wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

We don't know if the collectors used them or not. all we have in comparison is one plot armoured reaper in a single battle in the end of ME1... One that the DA did not fire at or engage for that matter.

Well,the collector vessel didn't really put up much of a fight against the Normandy...took a couple hits..

Sadly i know the cutscene probably isn't all that different even against an unupgraded normandy... But the SR2 didn't fair so well in that collector ship encounter earlier in the game... though the SR2 at least survived that run in which it likely for most of us was at least partly upgraded...  And the Thanix Cannon is supposed to be a greatly improved weapon to what the normandy had before. Even somewhat based on Reaper tech that the Turians got their hands on to my understanding.  maybe that made a big difference against Reaper Level KB's...

Firstly that was the SR-1 and a surprise attack...

Also even without thanix you still kind of shred through the ship...even though Thane dies...

[Esquin]

Your point about the collector base is irrelevant. If you save it then Cerberus gets it. Thats bad for like 4 different reasons.

[ubermensch007]

The Destiny Ascension in a way is very similar to what the planet Jupiter is in our solar system.As some astronomers put it: "Jupiter is our planetary bodyguard."

The D.A. should not be forgotten or made obsolete in Mass Effect 3.

The old girl sort of reminds me of the Toby Keith song - As Good As I Once Was

She said, "I've seen you in here before."

I said, "I've been here a time or two."

She said, "Hello, my

Name is Bobby Jo

Meet my twin sister Betty Lou

And we're both feeling kinda wild tonight

And you're the only cowboy in this place

And if you're up for a rodeo

We'll put a big Texas smile on

Your face"

I said, "Girls,"



[Chorus]

I ain't as good as I once was

I got a few years on me now

But there was a time back in my prime



When I could really lay it down

And if you need some love tonight

Then I might have just enough

I ain't as good as I once was

But I'm as good once as I ever was



I still hang out with my best friend Dave

I’ve known him since we were kids at school

Last night he

Had a few shots

Got in a tight spot hustlin' a game of pool

With a couple of redneck boys

One great

Big bad biker man

I heard David yell across the room

"Hey buddy, how 'bout a helping hand."

I said, "Dave,"



[Chorus]

I ain't as good as I once was

My how the years have flown

But there was a time back in my prime



When I could really hold my own

But if you wanna fight tonight

Guess those boys don't look all that tough

I ain't as good as I once was

But I'm as good once as I ever was



I used to be hell on wheels

Back when I was younger man

Now my body says, "You can't do this boy"



But my pride says, "Oh, yes you can



I ain't as good as I once was

That’s just the cold hard truth

I still throw a few back, talk a little smack

When I'm feelin bullet proof

So don't double dog dare me now

'Cause I'd have to call your bluff



I ain't as good as I once was

But I'm as good once as I ever was

Maybe not be good as I once was

But I'm as good once as I ever was

Modifié par ubermensch007, 29 août 2011 - 04:43 .

[RocketManSR2]

A big target.

- However, if it has been equipped with a dreadnought-sized Thanix, that would hurt.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 29 août 2011 - 04:50 .

[Jog0907]

Just like in ME1, if you let the DA survive its role will once again be nothing but a huge bullet magnet you might as well just make a huge chunk of steel and let it wander off, works the same way, no need to give it engines and a crew

[SPACE_GREASER]

that would be cool but...it couldnt even stand up to the geth attack..let alone a reaper attack

[111987]

I don't know how effective the Destiny Ascension would even be against the Reapers. Just doing some math, it seems unlikely even its main gun will do significant damage to a Reaper's shields, it would take at least several shots.

The ships that attacked Sovereign in the Battle of the Citadel were cruisers, described as 'middle of the class' ships. If a cruiser is 500 meters long (half the size of a dreadnaught), that means its main guns are firing rounds with 23.5 kiloton yields of energy (we know this because the kiloton yield of an 800 meter dreadnaught is about 38 kilotons per shot). The main gun of a 1000 meter dreadnaught is yields 47.5 kilotons of energy.

Now let's say the DA's gun has the equivalent yield of a 2000 meter dreadnaught; this puts its kiloton yield at 95 kilotons. While this is incredibly powerful, there were a lot of cruisers firing at Sovereign, meaning the net kiloton amount of force being inflicted on Sovereign was more than what the DA would be capable of inflicting.

In short, the Destiny Ascension would be useful, but in terms of pure firepower it still would not be an effective way of destroying Reapers. Their shielding is too strong, and their weaponry will take out the DA before it takes out the Reaper.

[Ultai]

Everytime I think of the DA, I always think of it as a parade vehicle. Something for show, look at our big badass dreadnought that goes on victory tours and circles the citadel! You can blame that on us not really having any information regarding it's service record in battles and etc. It'll probably still be ferrying around the original council in ME3 if you helped them, but that's a wait and see policy.

[mauro2222]

The ship is incredibly beautiful, if they not show her, I will personally kill them. Granted for sure.

[wizardryforever]

Well to be fair to the naysayers, the Ascension is a dreadnaught, and is ill-equipped to fight in close ranges, especially alone, like it ended up in the battle of the Citadel.  At long ranges, like most space fights, it would be devastating.  However, because of their low manueverability and speed, it wouldn't be deployed for anything less than a full scale war.  The main reason it was parked around the Citadel (as I understand it), was to look tough and to provide an escape route for the Council.  The Ascension has the strongest barriers among any ship in existence (barring Reapers), so it makes sense that it would be used to shelter VIPs such as the Council.

I'm not sure how useful it will be in terms of damage output, but it is still a powerful symbol.  It is something the Council races (and most others) can rally behind, as something that withstood a Reaper's attack.  You can't really put a value on that.

[RocketManSR2]

wizardryforever wrote...

Well to be fair to the naysayers, the Ascension is a dreadnaught, and is ill-equipped to fight in close ranges, especially alone, like it ended up in the battle of the Citadel.  At long ranges, like most space fights, it would be devastating.  However, because of their low manueverability and speed, it wouldn't be deployed for anything less than a full scale war.  The main reason it was parked around the Citadel (as I understand it), was to look tough and to provide an escape route for the Council.  The Ascension has the strongest barriers among any ship in existence (barring Reapers), so it makes sense that it would be used to shelter VIPs such as the Council.

I'm not sure how useful it will be in terms of damage output, but it is still a powerful symbol.  It is something the Council races (and most others) can rally behind, as something that withstood a Reaper's attack.  You can't really put a value on that.

However, if the DA was destroyed, the asari just give up and hand their dreadnought share over to the turians. That doesn't speak well for the asari as a species. For humans, the destruction of anything with a special meaning has been a rallying cry. Pearl Harbor, the Alamo, September 11th, etc. Do the asari just not care?

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 29 août 2011 - 05:34 .

[ubermensch007]

111987 wrote...

I don't know how effective the Destiny Ascension would even be against the Reapers. Just doing some math, it seems unlikely even its main gun will do significant damage to a Reaper's shields, it would take at least several shots.

The ships that attacked Sovereign in the Battle of the Citadel were cruisers, described as 'middle of the class' ships. If a cruiser is 500 meters long (half the size of a dreadnaught), that means its main guns are firing rounds with 23.5 kiloton yields of energy (we know this because the kiloton yield of an 800 meter dreadnaught is about 38 kilotons per shot). The main gun of a 1000 meter dreadnaught is yields 47.5 kilotons of energy.

Now let's say the DA's gun has the equivalent yield of a 2000 meter dreadnaught; this puts its kiloton yield at 95 kilotons. While this is incredibly powerful, there were a lot of cruisers firing at Sovereign, meaning the net kiloton amount of force being inflicted on Sovereign was more than what the DA would be capable of inflicting.

In short, the Destiny Ascension would be useful, but in terms of pure firepower it still would not be an effective way of destroying Reapers. Their shielding is too strong, and their weaponry will take out the DA before it takes out the Reaper.

@111987: Wow...  "You so wise" (2:30 -2:45)

But you left out one thing...The Destiny Ascension is UPGRADED in Mass Effect 3, like how the Normandy SR-2 was upgraded in ME 2. So its firepower and armor are now greater than it ever was before.

Modifié par ubermensch007, 29 août 2011 - 05:27 .

[Dariuszp]

I hope they will use Acension in ME 3. If not, I will be THAAAAAT PISSED. I saved the council only because they were on board of that ship. I was thinking that it will be useful in the future.

I know that it didn't do a sh** with a reaper but then again - with big guns and big ships is like with condoms.

BETTER IS TO HAVE IT AND DON'T NEED IT THAN NEED IT AND DON'T HAVE IT

Have a nice day

[111987]

ubermensch007 wrote...

111987 wrote...

I don't know how effective the Destiny Ascension would even be against the Reapers. Just doing some math, it seems unlikely even its main gun will do significant damage to a Reaper's shields, it would take at least several shots.

The ships that attacked Sovereign in the Battle of the Citadel were cruisers, described as 'middle of the class' ships. If a cruiser is 500 meters long (half the size of a dreadnaught), that means its main guns are firing rounds with 23.5 kiloton yields of energy (we know this because the kiloton yield of an 800 meter dreadnaught is about 38 kilotons per shot). The main gun of a 1000 meter dreadnaught is yields 47.5 kilotons of energy.

Now let's say the DA's gun has the equivalent yield of a 2000 meter dreadnaught; this puts its kiloton yield at 95 kilotons. While this is incredibly powerful, there were a lot of cruisers firing at Sovereign, meaning the net kiloton amount of force being inflicted on Sovereign was more than what the DA would be capable of inflicting.

In short, the Destiny Ascension would be useful, but in terms of pure firepower it still would not be an effective way of destroying Reapers. Their shielding is too strong, and their weaponry will take out the DA before it takes out the Reaper.

@111987: Wow...  "You so wise" (2:30 -2:45)

But you left out one thing...The Destiny Ascension is UPGRADED in Mass Effect 3, like how the Normandy SR-2 was upgraded in ME 2. So its firepower and armor are now greater than it ever was before.

Very true! However, the energy yield of the shot is depedent on the length of the main gun, so that weapon is most likely still dealing the same amount of damage. It it was equipped with Thanix cannons and the like, I'm sure it's much more impressive.

Even still though, it's probably not a match for a Reaper, and at the very most is equal to one. We've never seen a Reaper fire it's main gun, but since it is also 2000 meters in length, it's firepower is at least the equivalent of the DA. Being millions of years old with incredibly advanced tech, it could be even more, but that's just guess work. So assuming their main cannon's are about equal, a Reaper still possess a considerable advantage. Why? Because from each of it's legs and appendages across its bow resides a super Thanix Cannon. If a Thanix Cannon, which is a minituarized version of the Reaper's version, gives a a ship's cannon power equivalent to that of a cruiser, imagine how much damage a Reaper could dish out from its Thanix Cannon. Keep in mind that each Reaper has 4-5 legs and 6 'arms', meaning each has 10 or 11 Thanix Cannons...yikes! Those are scary odds to go up against for any one ship...

[ubermensch007]

Dammit 111987... Could you do me a favor and stop peeing in my cereal bowl.With your goddamn Hyper- Analytical Perspective <_< Your ruining my enthusiam (about the DA in ME 3) with your unrelenting, insufferable adherence to logic, math and cold hard facts

The Destiny Ascension is destined to become a Super Sayin   4 - class dreadnought.
THAT WILL GO FORTH AND KICK REAPER ASS ALL OVER THE GODDAMN GALAXY...

Man... All the DA needs is that genius level mechanic from the first Fast and the Furious

      

                                                                    

Modifié par ubermensch007, 29 août 2011 - 06:19 .

[maxpowers2525]

were is the main gun on the D A