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[111987]

maxpowers2525 wrote...

were is the main gun on the D A

It is one of the biggest mysteries in Mass Effect...

[armass]

IMO IF saved and correctly defended and upgraded, in battle the Destiny's Ascension can become a certified reaper killer.

Collector Base might help but the problem is Illusive man and Cerberus got the hold of it before anyone else, so if saved we may have to wrestle it from their clasp. Reapers might be intrested about it too if it was saved, and if Cerberus is working for them... it's bad.

Modifié par armass, 29 août 2011 - 08:52 .

[111987]

armass wrote...

IMO IF saved and correctly defended and upgraded, in battle the Destiny's Ascension can be come a certified reaper killer.

It would certainly be a threat to a Reaper, but I doubt it would surpass or even match a Reaper's shielding and firepower capabilities. Check out my posts on the first page

[armass]

111987 wrote...

armass wrote...

IMO IF saved and correctly defended and upgraded, in battle the Destiny's Ascension can be come a certified reaper killer.

It would certainly be a threat to a Reaper, but I doubt it would surpass or even match a Reaper's shielding and firepower capabilities. Check out my posts on the first page

Thats why i said upgraded, imagine adding reverse engineered reaper tech or prothean tech to this ship.

[111987]

armass wrote...

111987 wrote...

armass wrote...

IMO IF saved and correctly defended and upgraded, in battle the Destiny's Ascension can be come a certified reaper killer.

It would certainly be a threat to a Reaper, but I doubt it would surpass or even match a Reaper's shielding and firepower capabilities. Check out my posts on the first page

Thats why i said upgraded, imagine adding reverse engineered reaper tech or prothean tech to this ship.

Even upgraded it would still probably not be all that effective. In single ship-to-ship combat, a Reaper is just too powerful. With all it's weapons focused on the Destiny Ascencion, a Reaper is capable of unleashing approximately 355 kilotons of energy every 3 seconds. That is way out of the DA's shielding capabilities to handle. Not to mention a Reaper is far more manuverable, and if effective at a short range unlike the DA.

[armass]

In Long range combat the ship would still be very effective.

[111987]

armass wrote...

In Long range combat the ship would still be very effective.

Definitely. I wasn't debating whether or not it could be valuable. Only that it wouldn't be some trump card, or 'certified Reaper killer'.

[PXXL]

maxpowers2525 wrote...

were is the main gun on the D A

[Balek-Vriege]

PXXL wrote...

maxpowers2525 wrote...

were is the main gun on the D A

Pretty much that.

Only logical place it could be is the mouth of the DA (in that glowy part).  Which means it's basically a flying missile launcher/cannon.  It didn't do to well in the Battle of the Citadel because the Citadel fleet got ganked by the Geth at close range.  While every other ship in the fleet was destroyed, the DA was still able to hold off for like 10 minutes.  I wonder how many hits it could take from a Reaper...

[wizardryforever]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Well to be fair to the naysayers, the Ascension is a dreadnaught, and is ill-equipped to fight in close ranges, especially alone, like it ended up in the battle of the Citadel.  At long ranges, like most space fights, it would be devastating.  However, because of their low manueverability and speed, it wouldn't be deployed for anything less than a full scale war.  The main reason it was parked around the Citadel (as I understand it), was to look tough and to provide an escape route for the Council.  The Ascension has the strongest barriers among any ship in existence (barring Reapers), so it makes sense that it would be used to shelter VIPs such as the Council.

I'm not sure how useful it will be in terms of damage output, but it is still a powerful symbol.  It is something the Council races (and most others) can rally behind, as something that withstood a Reaper's attack.  You can't really put a value on that.

However, if the DA was destroyed, the asari just give up and hand their dreadnought share over to the turians. That doesn't speak well for the asari as a species. For humans, the destruction of anything with a special meaning has been a rallying cry. Pearl Harbor, the Alamo, September 11th, etc. Do the asari just not care?

I don't think it has much correlation.  My interpretation of their actions is like a protest over how the humans seized power after the battle of the citadel.  They refuse to devote their fleets to the defense of a human Council, considering a large slice of blame for the DA's destruction lies at the feet of humans.  Their ceding of responsibilities to the turians is their passive-aggressive support of the turians' exceeding treaty obligations and building massive fleets in a cold war with the Alliance.

But all of that happens in an alternate timeline where you let the DA be destroyed, and has little to no bearing on how the DA will affect ME3.

[Soccer FeverMan]

armass wrote...

IMO IF saved and correctly defended and upgraded, in battle the Destiny's Ascension can become a certified reaper killer.

Collector Base might help but the problem is Illusive man and Cerberus got the hold of it before anyone else, so if saved we may have to wrestle it from their clasp. Reapers might be intrested about it too if it was saved, and if Cerberus is working for them... it's bad.

Meh, even with the upgrades the reaper aren't stupid IF i was a reaper i'd just send in like 5-10 reapers after the DA. It takes time to charge your guns so if the DA fires its main gun and does take down one reaper it can expect a lot of fire power to come after it.

juss my take on it....

[Reptillius]

Balek-Vriege wrote...


Pretty much that.

Only logical place it could be is the mouth of the DA (in that glowy part).  Which means it's basically a flying missile launcher/cannon.  It didn't do to well in the Battle of the Citadel because the Citadel fleet got ganked by the Geth at close range.  While every other ship in the fleet was destroyed, the DA was still able to hold off for like 10 minutes.  I wonder how many hits it could take from a Reaper...

Cut the picture out purely for my own sanity.

I've tried to make this point before and it seems to get ignored. It survived for quite some time under the focus fire of the geth so we know that it's shields are quite powerful. hits that were destroying smaller ships near it quite well were repeatedly absorbed by the DA.

Exact damage capabilities are based on estimations at best and most Reapers are not as large as Sovereign was. From what has been surmised or been told there are only a handful or so of those of the size that Sovereign was.  So many are going to have damage capabilities a lot lower than he is.


On a second note on the first page where somebody responded to me. I was not talking about the SR1 in the beginning of ME2. I was talking about the collector ship trap and the SR2 escapes by the skin of it's teeth and a random instead of a planned FTL jump(dangerous in it's own right for the potential to hit something).  yes it faired much better than the SR1 and showed that it was a much advanced ship but still weak compared to the Suicide run version of the SR2.

The fact that the cutscene is exactly the same for an unupgraded SR2 except for a crew member dieing is a little sad and unrealistic unfortunately but we cant have everything I suppose.  Saves time and programming to just use one cut scene of course...

Modifié par Reptillius, 29 août 2011 - 10:34 .

[Balek-Vriege]

Reptillius wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...


Pretty much that.

Only logical place it could be is the mouth of the DA (in that glowy part).  Which means it's basically a flying missile launcher/cannon.  It didn't do to well in the Battle of the Citadel because the Citadel fleet got ganked by the Geth at close range.  While every other ship in the fleet was destroyed, the DA was still able to hold off for like 10 minutes.  I wonder how many hits it could take from a Reaper...

Cut the picture out purely for my own sanity.

I've tried to make this point before and it seems to get ignored. It survived for quite some time under the focus fire of the geth so we know that it's shields are quite powerful. hits that were destroying smaller ships near it quite well were repeatedly absorbed by the DA.

Exact damage capabilities are based on estimations at best and most Reapers are not as large as Sovereign was. From what has been surmised or been told there are only a handful or so of those of the size that Sovereign was.  So many are going to have damage capabilities a lot lower than he is.

We also know from gameplay videos that one of those smaller Reapers got really messed up by an orbital strike alone.  It didn't kill it or significantly damage it (visually), but it did put it down for a few seconds and caused a Reaper red lightshow (like Sovereign's when he was about to die I think).  That hints that conventional weapons do hurt Reapers.  It's also possible that you really need to alpha strike them so there shields can't keep up with the pace of Battle.  Think the beginning of Star Trek First Contact when Picard orders an alpha strike on the Cube.  They pretty much auto destroy the thing when they were hardly putting in a dent in beforehand.


Basically Reapers may seem invunerable because their shields regenerate (overhwelming regen ftw) so fast.  Hit them with a big enough stick (like the Klendagon Weapon) or enough firpower all at once (5th fleet focusing on Sovereign), you might start downing/killing some Reapers.  The DA may be in the former catagory.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 29 août 2011 - 10:49 .

[Reptillius]

They're shields are definitely interesting. My thought is that they have potentially mastered or near mastered simultaneous or near simultaneous shield technology which is a barrier that Cerberus kind of came close to breaking but in general the Citadel species have not been able to get past. So they may potentially have two or 3 shields that you have to take down making them seem nigh invulnerable.

Also with the Base Reaper. It was hit more in the back right rear than the front. There could be significant damage on that side of it that we cannot see from the front of the reaper so it is really hard to say. But the orbital strike definitely hurt it in some way the way it knocked it down. It just managed to recover from that one specific hit. If we were to watch the sequences of that level further I bet the next time they hit it 2 or 3 times in quick succession and it doesn't get up.

[marshalleck]

The Destiny Ascension is a waste of starship material. It's huge and impractical, and the Reapers would tear it to shreds if the devs were to follow the lore, which I'm sure they won't.

The Asari only built it to show off how affluent their civilization is. It's a trophy. During the aftermath of the Battle of the Citadel, when the Alliance and other Citadel forces were hunting down and finishing off the heretic geth, the Destiny Ascension went on a "victory cruise" to 20 asari colonies. Bunch of wankers.

Modifié par marshalleck, 29 août 2011 - 11:11 .

[Bad King]

The Destiny Ascension at the head of a fleet with an angry Councillor Udina piloting it would be one of the most epic things ever.

[marshalleck]

Dreadnoughts are a red herring. Conventional dreadnoughts have nothing on the capabilities of a Reaper. Counting on them to be a significant contributor to success will end in disaster, imo.

[Sebby]

marshalleck wrote...

The Destiny Ascension is a waste of starship material. It's huge and impractical, and the Reapers would tear it to shreds if the devs were to follow the lore, which I'm sure they won't.

The Asari only built it to show off how affluent their civilization is. It's a trophy. During the aftermath of the Battle of the Citadel, when the Alliance and other Citadel forces were hunting down and finishing off the heretic geth, the Destiny Ascension went on a "victory cruise" to 20 asari colonies. Bunch of wankers.

Yep, it's a white elephant and a trophy. That it was in the safest part of the galaxy pre-BOTC and when it was finally in combat it was used a glorified transport for the council shows how utterly worthless it is.

[Balek-Vriege]

marshalleck wrote...

The Destiny Ascension is a waste of starship material. It's huge and impractical, and the Reapers would tear it to shreds if the devs were to follow the lore, which I'm sure they won't.

The Asari only built it to show off how affluent their civilization is. It's a trophy. During the aftermath of the Battle of the Citadel, when the Alliance and other Citadel forces were hunting down and finishing off the heretic geth, the Destiny Ascension went on a "victory cruise" to 20 asari colonies. Bunch of wankers.

The 5th fleet did the same...
 

(actually their victory cruises probably started a couple months before Shepard wakes up at the start of ME2)

The DA will be a waste they put it at the front line.  Not so much if a fleet can keep them busy while the DA sniped them from behind ally lines (like dreads are intended to do.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 29 août 2011 - 11:21 .

[armass]

It's still better than having air!

[Balek-Vriege]

Reptillius wrote...

They're shields are definitely interesting. My thought is that they have potentially mastered or near mastered simultaneous or near simultaneous shield technology which is a barrier that Cerberus kind of came close to breaking but in general the Citadel species have not been able to get past. So they may potentially have two or 3 shields that you have to take down making them seem nigh invulnerable.

I'm hoping something like that is the case.  I really do think there should be smarts/alliances > Reapers situation ingame, rather than just reverse engineering of Reaper Tech, ancient technology and a possible Deus Ex Machina leading to victory.  That way we do get little victories out of what the Galaxy has already created (like the DA for one).

[marshalleck]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

The Destiny Ascension is a waste of starship material. It's huge and impractical, and the Reapers would tear it to shreds if the devs were to follow the lore, which I'm sure they won't.

The Asari only built it to show off how affluent their civilization is. It's a trophy. During the aftermath of the Battle of the Citadel, when the Alliance and other Citadel forces were hunting down and finishing off the heretic geth, the Destiny Ascension went on a "victory cruise" to 20 asari colonies. Bunch of wankers.

The 5th fleet did the same...
 

(actually their victory cruises probably started a couple months before Shepard wakes up at the start of ME2)

The DA will be a waste they put it at the front line.  Not so much if a fleet can keep them busy while the DA sniped them from behind ally lines (like dreads are intended to do.

The only problem with the DA sitting back behind the lines are that fleets can't hold the line against Reapers--they'll just fly right through them should they feel inclined to do so. Also, dreadnoughts usualy engage fortifications, planetary targets, or other dreadnoughts, which aren't known for their mobility. The Reapers on the other hand are capable of maneuvers that conventional ships are not. It may prove very difficult to get a firing solution on them from a distance.

[Aimi]

marshalleck wrote...

The Destiny Ascension is a waste of starship material. It's huge and impractical, and the Reapers would tear it to shreds if the devs were to follow the lore, which I'm sure they won't.

The Asari only built it to show off how affluent their civilization is. It's a trophy.

It'd be nice if there were actually a sort of Earth history analog to the vessel.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

daqs wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

The Destiny Ascension is a waste of starship material. It's huge and impractical, and the Reapers would tear it to shreds if the devs were to follow the lore, which I'm sure they won't.

The Asari only built it to show off how affluent their civilization is. It's a trophy.

It'd be nice if there were actually a sort of Earth history analog to the vessel.

IRL,countries not even the USA have the kind of money to throw at a trophy warship,but I'm sure if you did some digging on some of the crazy ideas they had in ww2,you'd be amazed...


The USA  and Great Britain had a concept for a mega-carrier,it was like 1km big and made completely of ice....yeah,insane.

[Sebby]

daqs wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

The Destiny Ascension is a waste of starship material. It's huge and impractical, and the Reapers would tear it to shreds if the devs were to follow the lore, which I'm sure they won't.

The Asari only built it to show off how affluent their civilization is. It's a trophy.

It'd be nice if there were actually a sort of Earth history analog to the vessel.

http://en.wikipedia....Chakri_Nareubet