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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Seboist wrote...



http://en.wikipedia....Chakri_Nareubet

Jeez...everything short of a battleship looks like a toy next to an American carrier...

[King Minos]

Destiny ascension is actually a space goatse.

[Xilizhra]

The only Reaper we've seen in combat in-game is Sovereign, who was designed to operate alone. Sovereign is probably one of the most powerful Reapers out there.

[marshalleck]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...



http://en.wikipedia....Chakri_Nareubet

Jeez...everything short of a battleship looks like a toy next to an American carrier...

we're the last superpower bro

[111987]

Xilizhra wrote...

The only Reaper we've seen in combat in-game is Sovereign, who was designed to operate alone. Sovereign is probably one of the most powerful Reapers out there.

Sovereign is the biggest class of Reapers, meaning it is one of the most powerful Reapers. However, we've already seen hundreds of Reapers that size. Only one would be needed to destroy the Destiny Ascencion.

Reapers can be anywhere from 500 to 2000 meters.

[marshalleck]

I'll be rooting for Harbinger to take out the DA like swatting an annoying fly.

[wizardryforever]

I think it would be cool if the DA was part of the cavalry that rides in to save Earth.  It would be like repayment for sending Alliance soldiers to their death to save it.  It would also be cool to have it make a heroic sacrifice, one that makes a dent in the Reaper fleet.

[Aimi]

Seboist wrote...

http://en.wikipedia....Chakri_Nareubet

That's...not really what I meant.  A vessel that is theoretically powerful but which has never been used in anger due to a certain reason unrelated to intrinsic design fitness for warfare - lack of money for maintenance, lack of a war in which to fight, that sort of thing - is different.  The Chakri Naruebet itself is useless because the Thais don't have a need for naval power projection and don't have the money to maintain it; in the Royal Navy or something, the same vessel would be quite useful indeed.  

I don't see any circumstances in which the Destiny Ascension even could be used for military purposes: it's a huge target with loads of personnel on it and garbage maneuverability with a very large main gun that can't be aimed at anything effectively.

[crimzontearz]

The Destiny Ascnesion is the place where my shepard will spend his honeymoon with Liara.........

[marshalleck]

daqs wrote...
 a very large main gun that can't be aimed at anything effectively.

That just means they didn't make the gun big enough.<_<

[Aimi]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I think the DA can serve its design purpose pretty well, which is to defend a stationary object orders of magnitude larger than itself - the Citadel. To do that you need range, firepower, and bullet-sponge-ness. The DA has got all three.

To assault the Citadel you need heavy siege weapons like Sovereign, which a ship like the DA can target very effectively. No fast tracking turrets needed. 

I'd have more truck with that if the DA hadn't done such an abominably bad job of defending the Citadel. 

[Aimi]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

The DA can also be used very effectively as a siege weapon itself. It can provide effective orbital bombardment, and absorb fire when faster strike craft like the Normandy SR2 neutralize crucial enemy targets with pinpoint strikes.

I think a good analogy would be the Roman Ballista, along with the fortifications usually build around it. Slow and unwieldy yes, but very effective in both offensive and defensive siege warfare.

Or perhaps Demetrios Poliorketes' Helepolis...big, huge, potentially awesome, but with rather annoying vulnerabilities. 

See, the military value of a weapon - or a vessel, whatever - that big and important decreases as its propagandistic value goes up.  Who wants to risk the symbol of Citadel power in a battle?  That seemed rather blatantly clear in the actual Battle of the Citadel: the DA wasn't used to batter away at Sovereign's fleet, or to attack the Citadel once the arms were closed and Sovereign was inside, but was immediately detailed to carry the Council off the battlefield, as though both it and the Council were too valuable to lose.

It's like the First World War, when the German High Seas Fleet's operations were rather dramatically constricted because Kaiser Wilhelm didn't want to lose his "luxury fleet".  Germany's battleships could and did outduel the Royal Navy (e.g. at Jutland, or during the Yarmouth and Lowestoft raid), but never took advantage of tactical successes because of the risk involved.  

[Aimi]

Incidentally, that's kind of what I was pushing for earlier in the thread: the dreadnoughts seem like they're supposed to be analogous to the Dreadnoughts of Fisher and Tirpitz, and the humans' carriers to, well, aircraft carriers.

[KotorEffect3]

marshalleck wrote...

I'll be rooting for Harbinger to take out the DA like swatting an annoying fly.

I'm assuming in your playthrough the DA won't exist anymore anyway.

[111987]

The Destiny Ascension would be useful for placing valuable people (like the Council on it) for it's powerful shields. It could then just FTL whenever in danger. In a fight against the Reapers though, it would get beaten even worse than it did last time against the Geth. A Reaper with it's full attention and weaponry aimed at the DA would most likely obliterate it in its opening salvo, or shortly after that.

[ev76]

ah yes " the destiny ascension" we have dismissed that theory.
The da will light up space when harbi gets a hold of it.

[Aimi]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Somehow I think the DA will not be the *final* refuge of the Council. If the DA is about to be destroyed, the Council should obviously be evacuated into a small, hard-to-track escape pod. That they die with the DA in the Renegade outcome is either because they were surprised/overwhelmed by Sovereign, or plain bad writing.

Maybe, but the bad writing's all we have to go on. 

But the Germans did differently in WWII didn't they? The Bismarck was put to use in plenty of risky situations and took out her fair share of Royal Navy vessels before she went down. The Imperial Japanese Navy didn't hesitate to bring their best and most valuable warships to the frontline either - the Yamato was even turned into a suicide ship in the end IIRC.

I don't know about the Asari, but if I'm captain of the DA, she will go down like the Bismarck, if she goes down at all. 

Yeah, by WWII the Germans shifted from a mass battle fleet to a navy that was basically designed around using all of its resources, from battleship on down, as commerce raiders.  It kinda shifted from "too wussy to use their weapons correctly" to "too insanely aggressive-minded to use their weapons correctly". 

Japan's battle fleet was used more or less like the Germans' was supposed to in WWI.  The mass wave of invasions in 1941-2 was supposed to lure the British and/or American fleet deep into WestPac to launch retaliatory strikes, whereupon the Japanese massed battle fleet would destroy it in a large-scale engagement.  Unsurprisingly, just as the Grand Fleet didn't idiotically blunder into attacking Helgoland Bight, the Americans didn't blunder into attacking the IJN head-on.  Finally, the Japanese were lured into attacking the Americans under unfavorable circumstances in the Philippines in 1944, resulting in the isolation and near-total destruction of Nishimura's Southern Force in Surigao Strait.

Anyway. Window dressing.  Point is that, even the way the Germans and Japanese used their dreadnoughts in the Second World War - i.e. trying to get at least some nondeterrent use out of them - it was still a comparative waste of resources.  I guess that doesn't make either the dreadnoughts - or the DA - intrinsically useless, but it certainly does make them look comparatively useless.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

marshalleck wrote...

daqs wrote...
 a very large main gun that can't be aimed at anything effectively.

That just means they didn't make the gun big enough.<_<

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR-PFv5dEKQmOizUZOZ5ahAChPPowEZ4aHVCSDWxuJIue-GiHHh

[Balek-Vriege]

I will say if I had to choose between the Destiny Ascension and 1000 fighters and/or frigates w/ Thanix-like Cannons, I would choose the fighters/frigates.  They're more of a Reaper counter measure than a dreadnaught, especially against Reaper one hit kill capabilities.  Best defense against a Reaper is to not get hit.


However, having DA and more convention fleets as long range backup wouldn't hurt either.  In a theoretical battle with my 1000+ Thanix frighters/frigates, the conventional fleets could stay at a distance while the smaller anti-Reaper vessels swarm them like bees, keeping the Reapers busy.  That means the Reapers (and possible Oculi) have to engage one set of ships or the other and ignoring either set may mean death.

[Luigitornado]

The DA is less intimidating than Patrick the Star Fish.

[RolandX9]

The Battle of Earth is going all crazy, with thousands upon thousands of ships pounding the snot out of each other. Just as things are finally starting to look up, the Mother Of All Reapers screams into the atmosphere in an entry that would obliterate most normal Reapers. Of course, it immediately targets the Normandy. Joker flies like the mad genius he is, but even with all its crazy upgrades, the Normandy's still a frigate. Then, just as all seems lost...

Shepard: "It's the Destiny Ascension!"
VS: "Thank God!"
...well, that's what I'd like to see.