Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 29 août 2011 - 07:02 .
Modifié par Miashi, 29 août 2011 - 07:19 .
sevalaricgirl wrote...
Well it is a great majority point of view. Look at the reviews, the mods, the comments from those who played the game, even those posting to this thread. A good looking man to a woman is usually a good looking man to most women. Most of us have similar tastes artistically. Yes beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I think there is enough feedback to say that it is definitely a majority POV.
One more thing, look at the direction the Mass Effect team has taken Mass Effect 3. Kaidan gets better with every game. You don't take a character who was attractive in one game and make him completely the opposite in the next. The DA team can learn a lot from the ME team.
Of course there is such a thing as right and wrong, and a thing called quality as well. These things aren't as subjective at all, as some people reason.Elhanan wrote...
sevalaricgirl wrote...
Well it is a great majority point of view. Look at the reviews, the mods, the comments from those who played the game, even those posting to this thread. A good looking man to a woman is usually a good looking man to most women. Most of us have similar tastes artistically. Yes beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I think there is enough feedback to say that it is definitely a majority POV.
One more thing, look at the direction the Mass Effect team has taken Mass Effect 3. Kaidan gets better with every game. You don't take a character who was attractive in one game and make him completely the opposite in the next. The DA team can learn a lot from the ME team.
It may or may not be the majority view; could simply be the vocal majority of those that post in this thread.
That said, even if it were the majority held view, this still does not equate to one opinion being 'right' and worth more than that of another, or that of the artist. If so, we would have a lot fewer examples of unique art to show, and many examples could simply appear to be sim to that of any other; CP's point, I believe.
Citizen Kane and It's A Wonderful Life were not popular at the box office; still great works of art.
Modifié par bEVEsthda, 29 août 2011 - 09:19 .
bEVEsthda wrote...
Of course there is such a thing as right and wrong, and a thing called quality as well. These things aren't as subjective at all, as some people reason.
And DA2 is not Citizen Kane or A Wonderful Life, it's not even Planescape Torment. DA2 will go down into gaming history as what it is. And the 'art' is not some artist's vision. It's calculated. According to EA's "market research".
Chris Priestly wrote...
To illustrate, think of cosplay. For DAO pretty much the only cosplay we had was Morrigan. The reason being, she was pretty much the only defineable character. The man, unless you happen to look like Alistair or whomever, were just guys in suits of armor. They could have been DAO, they could have been LotR. Hard to say. Now we get Isabelas and Aveines and Flemeths, but we also get Hawkes, Varrics, Fenrises... Fenri... a bunch of Fenris.
Kroitz wrote...
Bound to happend if you cater to the anime-crowd. Most of the make-up comes right from their last final fantasy costplay act. Good for all the Fenrisisisises.
But style over substance I guess. Water it down until there is not even enough taste left to leave a bad one.
Atakuma wrote...
That's exactly how I feel. The art direction betrays the tone of the narrative/setting, like if Speilberg had made Shindler's list with sock puppets.
It's not the visual of Maus that gets you though, it's the writing. That's what DA2 failed to produce. If the story had simply been better I don't think people people would be arguing about mud colors or jagged edges on armor.In Exile wrote...
Atakuma wrote...
That's exactly how I feel. The art direction betrays the tone of the narrative/setting, like if Speilberg had made Shindler's list with sock puppets.
Art Spiegelman's Maus does it with cartoon mice. It's haunting.
Monica21 wrote...
It's not the visual of Maus that gets you though, it's the writing. That's what DA2 failed to produce. If the story had simply been better I don't think people people would be arguing about mud colors or jagged edges on armor.In Exile wrote...
Atakuma wrote...
That's exactly how I feel. The art direction betrays the tone of the narrative/setting, like if Speilberg had made Shindler's list with sock puppets.
Art Spiegelman's Maus does it with cartoon mice. It's haunting.
if i play a game and i like it & it takes a dive into Anime I get pissed i want one RPG that doesnt look like a damn cartoon.Monica21 wrote...
It's not the visual of Maus that gets you though, it's the writing. That's what DA2 failed to produce. If the story had simply been better I don't think people people would be arguing about mud colors or jagged edges on armor.In Exile wrote...
Atakuma wrote...
That's exactly how I feel. The art direction betrays the tone of the narrative/setting, like if Speilberg had made Shindler's list with sock puppets.
Art Spiegelman's Maus does it with cartoon mice. It's haunting.
I never said it wasn't deliberate, just as I never said that Bioware's change in art from downright creepy to Saturday Morning Skeletor wasn't deliberate. You see it as an improvement and I see it as a deliberate choice that makes the darkspawn laughable.Anarya wrote...
I'm not sure you can claim the visuals have nothing to do with it in a highly visual medium like comics, film or videogames. Would Maus have been as effective if it lacked the juxtaposition between the cute animals and the human atrocities of WW2? I'd argue that it wouldn't have been. It would undoubtedly still have been a good graphic novel, but the choice to go that route visually was a deliberate one by Spiegelman and not something done on a whim or without purpose.
The shift in art direction from Origins to DA2 was also something done with thought and purpose, and I found it a vast improvement over Origins' art style, which I disliked from the moment I launched DAO for the first time. And lets face it, even if the story had been flawless, people would be arguing about every aspect of the game anyway, because it's the internet.
Monica21 wrote...
I never said it wasn't deliberate, just as I never said that Bioware's change in art from downright creepy to Saturday Morning Skeletor wasn't deliberate. You see it as an improvement and I see it as a deliberate choice that makes the darkspawn laughable.Anarya wrote...
I'm not sure you can claim the visuals have nothing to do with it in a highly visual medium like comics, film or videogames. Would Maus have been as effective if it lacked the juxtaposition between the cute animals and the human atrocities of WW2? I'd argue that it wouldn't have been. It would undoubtedly still have been a good graphic novel, but the choice to go that route visually was a deliberate one by Spiegelman and not something done on a whim or without purpose.
The shift in art direction from Origins to DA2 was also something done with thought and purpose, and I found it a vast improvement over Origins' art style, which I disliked from the moment I launched DAO for the first time. And lets face it, even if the story had been flawless, people would be arguing about every aspect of the game anyway, because it's the internet.
As for the arguing, of course their would be, but if you give people a strong story with thoughtful characters and a well-executed plot then people are far more likely to overlook what they don't like. The darkspawn design is honestly pretty minor in comparison to the rest of the game, no matter what your opinions are on them.
Sidney wrote...
I understand the desire to have "a look" nice and all that. The problem is that the look is flippin' awful. The armor is non-functional with spit guards and lots of pointed jagged edges for no reason. The weapons make 100% zero sense in terms of look and how they would even function. I like the specific companion looks that's great that isn't the problem. They look good, it is the stuff you slap onto them (weapons) and Hawke (weapons + armor) that look terrible. DAO had oversized and pretty bad looking weapons, DA2 just took that and amped it up about 1000%.
Modifié par Spell Singer, 30 août 2011 - 07:20 .
Please put forward the unbiased facts that support this conclusion. For example, this thread presents a comparison that shows that the style and design of heavy and massive armors is much more thoughtful and setting-appropriate in DA:O than in DA 2, pointing out design-specific issues backed with photographic proof. Do you have a similar argument to prove your statement? So far, at least as armors are concerned, unbiased proof show the opposite of your statement.RosaAquafire wrote...
DA2's art style is objectively better, the end.
Xewaka wrote...
Please put forward the unbiased facts that support this conclusion. For example, this thread presents a comparison that shows that the style and design of heavy and massive armors is much more thoughtful and setting-appropriate in DA:O than in DA 2, pointing out design-specific issues backed with photographic proof. Do you have a similar argument to prove your statement? So far, at least as armors are concerned, unbiased proof show the opposite of your statement.RosaAquafire wrote...
DA2's art style is objectively better, the end.
Modifié par Elhanan, 30 août 2011 - 10:55 .
Spell Singer wrote...
Yes I agree with most of your points. There is supposedly some technical reason for the oversized weapons but I could never figure out why in the name of all that is holy they made every single high level item or armour "Take A Level In Absurd Fantasy Art."
I am even in favor of removing the floating weapons...then they aren't in your face so much. But all this is personal opinion...
Elhanan wrote...
Kroitz wrote...
Bound to happend if you cater to the anime-crowd. Most of the make-up comes right from their last final fantasy costplay act. Good for all the Fenrisisisises.
But style over substance I guess. Water it down until there is not even enough taste left to leave a bad one.
heh! Terrific choice of a portrait for this post; can almost see the nose hairs as one looks down on the rest of us....
Modifié par Kroitz, 30 août 2011 - 01:12 .
Modifié par Spell Singer, 30 août 2011 - 01:38 .
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