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[No Snakes Alive]

I've asked the same thing about Sentry Turret a dozen times. Seems some people on this board played the demo a Engineer but paid no attention to the important stuff. It was described as being grenade-like in application (throw one somewhere and it springs into a turret which has been described as, essentially, a stationary Combat Drone) but that isn't enough to go on for us to assume it's got limited uses like Frag Grenade instead of a regular cooldown.

I'd still also love to know if it locks down a single enemy like Combat Drone or acts differently, gameplay-wise. And of course, to steer it back on topic, I'm dying to find out its evolutions. Bioware really needs to release the footage already.

[No Snakes Alive]

Oh god they really need to make their forums more iPhone-friendly for my sake. Yet another unintentional double post. Sorry! >_<

Modifié par No Snakes Alive, 31 août 2011 - 08:30 .

[Biotic Sage]

No Snakes Alive wrote...

I'd still also love to know if it locks down a single enemy like Combat Drone or acts differently, gameplay-wise. And of course, to steer it back on topic, I'm dying to find out its evolutions. Bioware really needs to release the footage already.

I asked Bioware to give confirmation on whether or not they still intend to post the Engineer demo footage in another thread.  To no avail...

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 31 août 2011 - 08:59 .

[coke addict]

the only reason I can think of to make it look like a grenade is because it is a grenade. Otherwise it would be to similar to the drone making them redundant. plus a dev said it is possible to use turrets and drones simultaneously, wich would be difficult if they share a cool down.

[blitzkkrieg]

If the turret is used like a grenade, I would prefer that we can pick it up and redeploy it. Also, (although I really really doubt it will happen) once the turret takes too much damage, I hope it will simply shut down, and we have to go pick it up and hold onto it for a while to repair it, then redeploy it, instead of (the more likely scenario) it just explodes then we have to wait to resupply our "grenade" count

[lazuli]

lietk12 wrote...

Perhaps one way to have made heavy pull more viable would be to make affected enemies more vulnerable to damage or have a greater warp detonation radius?

I'd be fine with those options appearing in later evolution options, but I don't think we should be so quick to reject the increased duration alone.  As it is in ME2, Heavy Pull lasts 12 seconds by default, while Pull Field lasts 9.  Keeping Pull Field at 9 seconds, I'd like Heavy Pull to last for 15-25 seconds.  It's already infinitely maintainable at a much lower duration, but with a much longer duration it could be like a supplemental Stasis option.

[coke addict]

Well im pretty sure the turret being a grenade power is not only to differentiat it from the drone but also a trade off for it being more powerful. So drones are a spamable distraction, while turrets can actualy be deadly but you only get so many

[blitzkkrieg]

But didnt they say that turrets will not decimate enemies and only serve as a distraction at some point?

[adonfraz]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

laz,

if all the abilities are on an even playing field(which they should be), then would it still be problematic for you?

also, i think ME3 is nothing short of just being ME2:Episode 2, so i entirely understand that im going to get a lack of ME1 in my ME3.

That's because ME1 gameplay wise is broken. You still get the weapons mod, but no to bypassing protection.

I'm guessing an upgrade of shockwave will bypass protections to some extent in ME3. If it's possible to have high impact (armor-piercing) throw on a sub-4 second cooldown (lower still if we assume there's class passive cooldown bonuses), I can't imagine the gameplay designers would leave shockwave so useless on protected enemies.

[Josh123914]

y'know I've noticed that every class now will (usually) have 2 exclusive powers now, 1 for them and another that they also keep but other Squadmates or enemies can have:

Soldier: Ad, Rush and Concussive shot

Vanguard: Charge and probably Barrier now

Adept: Overpower and Singularity(Harbinger has a nerfed brownish one and Liara)

Sentinel: Their Overcharge thing? I forget the name and Tech Armor (some Eclipse Engineers had it in ME2 and I'm kinda hoping Kaidan gets some kind of Tech Armor too)

Engineer: The deployable turret and Combat Drone(I really liked the thing but Engineers looked kinda ununique when 2 others in your team had it and even certain Geth could deploy it) ooh, also Sabotage but that looks more like a mix of Overload and AI hacking.

Infiltator: Some new trick that they'll pull out of their asses- possibly a sort of heavily improved Sabotage, and then Tactical Cloak because I think somethings gone wrong when Kasumi has a better version of it as a move that makes the class staand out.

P.S. I really don't know what to think of Fortitude, I really think it's a waste to have 8 moves and 2 of them being passives, and when fans have ran the numbers and found out that you can only max out 5 of them something's gone wrong, I dunno, maybe there will be some sort of increased level cap when you get DLC like in Fallout or a 1/4 more points for an imported playthrough (like if I import a lv 30 Adept and I get 2 points per level, then I get a 3rd point when I hit lv 34, then 38,42 etc.,)

Modifié par Josh123914, 31 août 2011 - 11:24 .

[The Spamming Troll]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

laz,

if all the abilities are on an even playing field(which they should be), then would it still be problematic for you?

also, i think ME3 is nothing short of just being ME2:Episode 2, so i entirely understand that im going to get a lack of ME1 in my ME3.

That's because ME1 gameplay wise is broken. You still get the weapons mod, but no to bypassing protection.

i know i dont have the same definition of ME1 being broken as you might have. but if it was broken, it was broken for every class. except the engineer.

ME1s weapons mods are nothing like ME3s. do ME3s mods even change gameplay at all? it looks like small upgrades to the tone of +5% damage, or accuracy. sure the gun looks different, but does it perform differently? i saw a vid with the mattock getting a scope mod attached, and after that mod was added, the player wasnt even able to zoom in with the new scope. i feel like the mods in ME3 might be more cosmetic, then functional.

throw seems to have an evolution that penetrates defenses. which means throw is one of my 3 hotkeys in ME3, along with singularity and prolly warp. wow, im already done investing thought into my character and the games not even out.

[Omega-202]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

i know i dont have the same definition of ME1 being broken as you might have. but if it was broken, it was broken for every class. except the engineer.

It was.  Engineers were the only non-GOD MODE class.  The other 5 classes could just spam Immunity or a regenerating Barrier and live forever through essentially any onslaught.  

[RPGamer13]

And that's what made it so great! The fact you could use abilities in rapid succession as long as they weren't on cooldown because each one was independent of the others. Any class could do it in ME2 with Jacob's bonus power, but then you would be sacrificing every other ability.


So, Combo Potential was mentioned, doesn't the universal cooldown negate that? Or are the recharge times going to be more realistic and effect times increased?

[Malanek]

How I would do Pull.

Lvl 1 Recharge 4 seconds, Duration 3 seconds
Lvl 2 Duration 5 seonds
Lvl 3 Recharge 3 seconds
Lvl 4 Duration 15 seconds or Pull field 3 meter radius
Lvl 5 When detonated, damage effects are doubled or Enemies caught in pull take 3 times (instead of 2 times) normal damage
Lvl 6 When detonated spawns new lvl 4 pull at nearest enemy (after damage effects take place) or Enemies effected by pull suffer x damage per second for pulls duration. (Where x is quite large. Idea is that a heavy pull would kill most enemies entirely by itself)

Modifié par Malanek999, 01 septembre 2011 - 12:11 .

[Josh123914]

Omega-202 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

i know i dont have the same definition of ME1 being broken as you might have. but if it was broken, it was broken for every class. except the engineer.

It was.  Engineers were the only non-GOD MODE class.  The other 5 classes could just spam Immunity or a regenerating Barrier and live forever through essentially any onslaught.  

Sorry, hi, PS3 gamer jumping in here (My main is an Adept on Hardcore) and just saying, didn't powers in Mass Effect 1 take AGES to recharge? I mean granted they ran on sperate cooldowns and were overpowered as hell but wouldn't it take some rediculous time like 30 seconds for Warp to recharge? agreed, Overpowered, but not God mode seeing as how slow paced everything was-- you even had infinite ammo so there was no reason not to just wait for your powers to recharge unless you were on a speedrun or something.

[Malanek]

Josh123914 wrote...
Sorry, hi, PS3 gamer jumping in here (My main is an Adept on Hardcore) and just saying, didn't powers in Mass Effect 1 take AGES to recharge? I mean granted they ran on sperate cooldowns and were overpowered as hell but wouldn't it take some rediculous time like 30 seconds for Warp to recharge? agreed, Overpowered, but not God mode seeing as how slow paced everything was-- you even had infinite ammo so there was no reason not to just wait for your powers to recharge unless you were on a speedrun or something.

They did at the start. By around level 20-25 which took less than 5 hours to get to, powers could be cast very frequently. And they each had their own cooldown. Vanguard was exceptionally broken because of Adrenaline burst which reset them all. So you could wander around with a Barrier or Immunity (or both) permanently up, alternate between lif and singularity and just shoot the harmless enemies. It still took just as long, if not longer, but the enemies were not fireing back at you.

[Omega-202]

Josh123914 wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

i know i dont have the same definition of ME1 being broken as you might have. but if it was broken, it was broken for every class. except the engineer.

It was.  Engineers were the only non-GOD MODE class.  The other 5 classes could just spam Immunity or a regenerating Barrier and live forever through essentially any onslaught.  

Sorry, hi, PS3 gamer jumping in here (My main is an Adept on Hardcore) and just saying, didn't powers in Mass Effect 1 take AGES to recharge? I mean granted they ran on sperate cooldowns and were overpowered as hell but wouldn't it take some rediculous time like 30 seconds for Warp to recharge? agreed, Overpowered, but not God mode seeing as how slow paced everything was-- you even had infinite ammo so there was no reason not to just wait for your powers to recharge unless you were on a speedrun or something.

Except encounters were usually more spread out as well.  You didn't get a lot of the "20 enemies in a room" scenarios you got in ME2.  You more often got "5 enemies here, 3 enemies a little further down, 4 in the next room".  

And even though they were longer, the recharges weren't by any means long.  You could get a lot of them down to 20 seconds.  When you can use Throw, Lift, Singularity and Warp all in the span of 5 seconds and then shoot for ~12 seconds and have them all back up again, its very unbalanced.  You could clear a room with just one cycle of that combo being that enemies were less concentrated.  

[adonfraz]

Josh123914 wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

i know i dont have the same definition of ME1 being broken as you might have. but if it was broken, it was broken for every class. except the engineer.

It was.  Engineers were the only non-GOD MODE class.  The other 5 classes could just spam Immunity or a regenerating Barrier and live forever through essentially any onslaught.  

Sorry, hi, PS3 gamer jumping in here (My main is an Adept on Hardcore) and just saying, didn't powers in Mass Effect 1 take AGES to recharge? I mean granted they ran on sperate cooldowns and were overpowered as hell but wouldn't it take some rediculous time like 30 seconds for Warp to recharge? agreed, Overpowered, but not God mode seeing as how slow paced everything was-- you even had infinite ammo so there was no reason not to just wait for your powers to recharge unless you were on a speedrun or something.

Singularity and Lift could lock down an entire room instantly. Once you got good biotic amps cooldowns could get in the 10 second range.

[Omega-202]

Malanek999 wrote...
So you could wander around with a Barrier or Immunity (or both) permanently up,

No class had both.  Infiltrators and Soldiers had Immunity (and Immunity specialization in the Commando advanced class), Vanguards, Adepts and Sentinels had Barrier (and Barrier specialization in the Shock Trooper/Bastion advanced classes which made Barriers constantly regenerate themselves in combat at a quick pace).  

You could only get both if you chose Barrier as a specialization on Inf or Soldier, but few people both to as Immunity by itself made you unkillable.  

The only class in the game that had both was Wrex's Krogan Battlemaster which is why he was completely unkillable.  

[The Spamming Troll]

Omega-202 wrote...

The only class in the game that had both was Wrex's Krogan Battlemaster which is why he was completely unkillable.  

yes! wrex never had to tell anyone "I AM KROGAN!" he casually walked up to them and spectre SGed their heads off.

[The Spamming Troll]

Josh123914 wrote...

Sorry, hi, PS3 gamer jumping in here (My main is an Adept on Hardcore) and just saying, didn't powers in Mass Effect 1 take AGES to recharge? I mean granted they ran on sperate cooldowns and were overpowered as hell but wouldn't it take some rediculous time like 30 seconds for Warp to recharge? agreed, Overpowered, but not God mode seeing as how slow paced everything was-- you even had infinite ammo so there was no reason not to just wait for your powers to recharge unless you were on a speedrun or something.

its also worth mentioning that almost every single ME1 ability was better then ME2s version of the same ability.

ME1 singularity, nemesis lift, bastion stasis.........

you wont understand the awesomeness of biotics, unless you played ME1.

[kregano]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

laz,

if all the abilities are on an even playing field(which they should be), then would it still be problematic for you?

also, i think ME3 is nothing short of just being ME2:Episode 2, so i entirely understand that im going to get a lack of ME1 in my ME3.

That's because ME1 gameplay wise is broken. You still get the weapons mod, but no to bypassing protection.

i know i dont have the same definition of ME1 being broken as you might have. but if it was broken, it was broken for every class. except the engineer.

ME1s weapons mods are nothing like ME3s. do ME3s mods even change gameplay at all? it looks like small upgrades to the tone of +5% damage, or accuracy. sure the gun looks different, but does it perform differently? i saw a vid with the mattock getting a scope mod attached, and after that mod was added, the player wasnt even able to zoom in with the new scope. i feel like the mods in ME3 might be more cosmetic, then functional.

throw seems to have an evolution that penetrates defenses. which means throw is one of my 3 hotkeys in ME3, along with singularity and prolly warp. wow, im already done investing thought into my character and the games not even out.

ME1's mods don't really change any gameplay either, aside from certain combos (Double Frictionless Materials X, Double Scram Rail X). Half the time you forget you're even using a modded weapon because the weapon mods themselves don't do anything obvious or affect the appearance of the weapon. The only mods that do anything obvious in ME1 are the ammo mods, save Hammerhead/Sledgehammer, Tungsten, and Shredder.

[The Spamming Troll]

kregano wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

laz,

if all the abilities are on an even playing field(which they should be), then would it still be problematic for you?

also, i think ME3 is nothing short of just being ME2:Episode 2, so i entirely understand that im going to get a lack of ME1 in my ME3.

That's because ME1 gameplay wise is broken. You still get the weapons mod, but no to bypassing protection.

i know i dont have the same definition of ME1 being broken as you might have. but if it was broken, it was broken for every class. except the engineer.

ME1s weapons mods are nothing like ME3s. do ME3s mods even change gameplay at all? it looks like small upgrades to the tone of +5% damage, or accuracy. sure the gun looks different, but does it perform differently? i saw a vid with the mattock getting a scope mod attached, and after that mod was added, the player wasnt even able to zoom in with the new scope. i feel like the mods in ME3 might be more cosmetic, then functional.

throw seems to have an evolution that penetrates defenses. which means throw is one of my 3 hotkeys in ME3, along with singularity and prolly warp. wow, im already done investing thought into my character and the games not even out.

ME1's mods don't really change any gameplay either, aside from certain combos (Double Frictionless Materials X, Double Scram Rail X). Half the time you forget you're even using a modded weapon because the weapon mods themselves don't do anything obvious or affect the appearance of the weapon. The only mods that do anything obvious in ME1 are the ammo mods, save Hammerhead/Sledgehammer, Tungsten, and Shredder.

the ME1 mods completely changed the weapons functionality. compare a weapon with dual frictionless materials to one with dual scram rails. ME1 mods werent designed to change the apearance, so thats irelevant. but they certainly changed the functionality of the weapons. there werent that many mods in the first place, but more then half of them drastically would change the weapons functionality.

ME1 mods are more along the lines of ME2s ammo powers. while ME3s mods are more along the lines of MGS4s modding.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 01 septembre 2011 - 01:52 .