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[AVPen]

Rounding out some more Squadmate passives with Tali, Garrus, and Liara:

EDIT: Updated with corrected information of the 5th and 6th Ranks for Tali's passive:
 

Quarian Machinist   (Increases health and shields of Tali as well as increase the recharge speed of Tali's powers)
2nd Rank
Durability/Recharge   Adds x% to health bonus and shield bonus. Adds x% to power recharge speed bonus. 

3rd Rank
Durability/Recharge   Adds x% to health bonus and shield bonus. Adds x% to power recharge speed bonus.

4th Rank
Health/Shields   Increase health and shields by x%
OR
Power Recharge   Adds x% to power recharge speed bonus.

5th Rank
Tech Powers    Increases the force of tech powers by x% and their duration by x%.
OR
Weapon Damage   Increase weapon damage by x% 

6th Rank
Squad Tech   x% increase to entire squad's tech power recharge speed
OR
Drone Specialist   Increases the recharge speed of drone powers by x% 


Turian Rebel   (Garrus's combat expertise augments his health, weapon damage, and powers.)
2nd Rank
Durability/Damage   Adds x% to health bonus and shield bonus. Adds x% to weapon damage bonus.

3rd Rank
Durability/Damage   Adds x% to health bonus and shield bonus. Adds x% to weapon damage bonus. 

4th Rank
Weapon Damage   Adds x% to weapon damage bonus.
OR
Durability   Adds x% to health bonus and shield bonus.

5th Rank
Power Damage   Increases power damage by x%
OR
Assault Rifles   Increases assault rifle damage by x%  

6th Rank
Squad Damage   x% increase to entire squad's combat power damage.
OR
Sniper Rifles   Increases Sniper Rifle Damage by x%


Biotic Training   (Extensive combat experience hones Liara's biotic and defensive abilities.)
2nd Rank
Durability/Recharge   Adds x% to health bonus and shield bonus. Adds x% to to power recharge speed bonus.

3rd Rank
Durability/Recharge   Adds x% to health bonus and shield bonus. Adds x% to to power recharge speed bonus.

4th Rank
Recharge Speed   Adds x% to power recharge speed bonus for all powers.
OR
Durability   Adds x% to health bonus and shield bonus.

5th Rank
Weapon Damage   Increases weapon damage by x%
OR
Duration/Force   x% increase to power force and duration. 

6th Rank
Squad Biotics   x% increase to biotic power recharge speed for entire squad.
OR
(TBD=To Be Determined???)

Modifié par AVPen, 19 janvier 2012 - 04:41 .

[Loki_344]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Loki_344 wrote...
Not if you roll as a sentinel yourself.

In which case, you'll get even more shield points and tech damage.

Which is not nearly as big of a weak point as your weapon damage. Which of course is more/less useful depending on your build, gameplay style, etc.

I'm just bringing up the point that Ashley can certainly find a useful role in your squad.

[Derahu]

Boost32 wrote...

AVPen wrote...

6th Rank
Squad Damage   Increases squad's tech and biotic power damage by x%
OR
Squad Shields   Increases the recharge speed of squad shields by x%

dmg bonus to tech and biotic? i hate kaidan and he died in my canon, but i will use a time machine to fix that

I think a lot of people would do that if this stuff is confirmed to be true.  Lets hope the time paradoxes don't stack to the point where it rips the fabric of ME's time and space.

Serious now, I really love what they have done with the powers this time especially the tech powers.  It is very reminiscent to ME1 but with similar structure to ME2.

[jasonsantanna]

Derahu wrote...

Boost32 wrote...

AVPen wrote...

6th Rank
Squad Damage   Increases squad's tech and biotic power damage by x%
OR
Squad Shields   Increases the recharge speed of squad shields by x%

dmg bonus to tech and biotic? i hate kaidan and he died in my canon, but i will use a time machine to fix that

I think a lot of people would do that if this stuff is confirmed to be true.  Lets hope the time paradoxes don't stack to the point where it rips the fabric of ME's time and space.

Serious now, I really love what they have done with the powers this time especially the tech powers.  It is very reminiscent to ME1 but with similar structure to ME2.

I agree . . .  the techs/ sentinel seem to lend support to the squad which is great. . .  ME2 seem to lack in that department except Miranda  with her passive , ME1 sentinel played a large roll in support class . . . . in ME2 I didn't really feel or notice if they did

[implodinggoat]

Loki_344 wrote...

Which is not nearly as big of a weak point as your weapon damage. Which of course is more/less useful depending on your build, gameplay style, etc.

I'm just bringing up the point that Ashley can certainly find a useful role in your squad.

I don't see it.   To me Ashley sounds like she'll be useless just like in ME1.   Garrus gives you the weapon damage and he has tech abilities and he's a more interesting character.  Vega gives you weapon damage and he's a tank so he can draw fire,  Ashley is only good for passively sitting in the back while she cherry picks my kills and calls me a traitor to the Alliance.

PS:   Without spoiling any names,  how many permanent squadmates are there in ME3 anyway?

Modifié par implodinggoat, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:07 .

[AVPen]

implodinggoat wrote...

PS:   Without spoiling any names,  how many permanent squadmates are there in ME3 anyway?

Six (providing you didn't get Tali and Garrus killed in ME2).
EDIT: Meant to say Seven. 

Modifié par AVPen, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:21 .

[pmac_tk421]

I wonder if you can still get a total of 178 points or do yuo think they've changed it?

[implodinggoat]

AVPen wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

PS:   Without spoiling any names,  how many permanent squadmates are there in ME3 anyway?

Six (providing you didn't get Tali and Garrus killed in ME2).

SIX?!   Down from 12.  What the hell, things just get worse and worse.  Does that include the DLC squaddie too?

**** that means, I've got Liara, Tali, and Garrus which I like.  Kadien who's dull as hell or Ashley who I don't like and who's worthless to me on the battlefield.   Vega who seems dull and has a stupid hair cut and one mystery character who may or may not ****** me off.

[Ahglock]

JeffZero wrote...

There was definitely some griping, and there still is, but we're mostly accepting of the fact that BioWare couldn't get Amplification to work right. Better to take grenades along for the journey instead rather than pack an ability that isn't properly calibrated.

I have no faith that biotic grenade will be any more properly calibrated than any other power they could have come up with,  And besides I'd rather have an interesting power than a properly calibrated one.  I'll take something weak it it is cool.   

[Aimi]

implodinggoat wrote...

SIX?!   Down from 12.  What the hell, things just get worse and worse.  Does that include the DLC squaddie too?

**** that means, I've got Liara, Tali, and Garrus which I like.  Kadien who's dull as hell or Ashley who I don't like and who's worthless to me on the battlefield.   Vega who seems dull and has a stupid hair cut and one mystery character who may or may not ****** me off.

Twelve was too many anyway. And no, that does not include the DLC squaddie.

[Boost32]

implodinggoat wrote...

AVPen wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

PS:   Without spoiling any names,  how many permanent squadmates are there in ME3 anyway?

Six (providing you didn't get Tali and Garrus killed in ME2).

SIX?!   Down from 12.  What the hell, things just get worse and worse.  Does that include the DLC squaddie too?

**** that means, I've got Liara, Tali, and Garrus which I like.  Kadien who's dull as hell or Ashley who I don't like and who's worthless to me on the battlefield.   Vega who seems dull and has a stupid hair cut and one mystery character who may or may not ****** me off.

its seven
Ashley - Combat OR Kaidan- Biotic/Tech
Liara - Biotic
Tali - Tech
James - Combat
Garrus - Combat/Tech
Spoiler Squad - Tech
DLC Squad - Biotic

no Biotic/Combat, and  if you dont save kaidan ... no biotic/tech for you too

[Someone With Mass]

AVPen wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

PS:   Without spoiling any names,  how many permanent squadmates are there in ME3 anyway?

Six (providing you didn't get Tali and Garrus killed in ME2).

Actually, they're eight if you count the VS as two squadmates.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:19 .

[Boost32]

daqs wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

SIX?!   Down from 12.  What the hell, things just get worse and worse.  Does that include the DLC squaddie too?

**** that means, I've got Liara, Tali, and Garrus which I like.  Kadien who's dull as hell or Ashley who I don't like and who's worthless to me on the battlefield.   Vega who seems dull and has a stupid hair cut and one mystery character who may or may not ****** me off.

Twelve was too many anyway. And no, that does not include the DLC squaddie.

12 was better than we have now, its not balanced
why 2 combat, 2 tech and 2 biotic?

[AVPen]

daqs wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

SIX?!   Down from 12.  What the hell, things just get worse and worse.  Does that include the DLC squaddie too?

**** that means, I've got Liara, Tali, and Garrus which I like.  Kadien who's dull as hell or Ashley who I don't like and who's worthless to me on the battlefield.   Vega who seems dull and has a stupid hair cut and one mystery character who may or may not ****** me off.

Twelve was too many anyway. And no, that does not include the DLC squaddie.

I technically counted the VS as one character, so the ME3 squadmate list would include seven characters:
- Ashley/Kaidan
- James Vega
- Liara
- Tali
- Garrus
- Secret Squadmate #1
- Secret Squadmate #2 (who may or may not be the DLC character).

Someone With Mass wrote...

Actually, they're eight if you count the VS as two squadmates.

Yeah, misquoted, meant to say seven. 

Modifié par AVPen, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:20 .

[Loki_344]

implodinggoat wrote...

I don't see it.   To me Ashley sounds like she'll be useless just like in ME1.   Garrus gives you the weapon damage and he has tech abilities and he's a more interesting character.  Vega gives you weapon damage and he's a tank so he can draw fire,  Ashley is only good for passively sitting in the back while she cherry picks my kills and calls me a traitor to the Alliance.

PS:   Without spoiling any names,  how many permanent squadmates are there in ME3 anyway?

Okay... sounds like you have some personal issues with the character that I can't help you with.

Outside of that, Ashley seems like she could be a good sqauddie for a caster type character to bring along who still wants to be able to deal a decent amount of damage with their weapons throughout the game, or with a gun nut type character who's never heard of the meaning of the phrase overkill. Also, she's the only squadmate who's been rumored to have disruptor ammo, which anyone who's played ME2 with Zaeed knows can be a very useful ability and it's even more useful now as it affects barriers as well as shields. So unless your playing as a soldier/infiltrator, you won't have any other way to use that ammo type. I'm also willing to bet that her Marksman ability is going to be a bonus power, so unless your planning to do multiple playthroughs and don't want it immidiately, that ability would again be closed off to you.

There are rumored to be 8 permanent Squadmates in ME3 (Really 7, because Ash/Kaiden are mutually exclusive.)

Modifié par Loki_344, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:23 .

[implodinggoat]

daqs wrote...

Twelve was too many anyway. And no, that does not include the DLC squaddie.

Twelve may have been too many although I personally enjoyed the variability; but halving it to 6 is going too damn far.

And one of the squaddies they programmed in you don't even get to see; because the damned Ash/Kaiden fans just had to have their dull ass love interests back and yet Wrex the most awesome character from ME1 gets the shaft and I don't even get a Krogan to replace him, bogus.

At least the DLC squaddie ups it to 7; but still this is very dissapointing.   I mean for Christ's sake I don't even have a Krogan or a Sentinel anymore.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:30 .

[Loki_344]

By the way AVPen, have you seen anymore info on the rumored DLC squaddie in the leaked documents?

[Someone With Mass]

I think the amount of squadmates is just fine.

They had way too many of them in ME2. Ten new squadmates. Yeah. Overdoing it a bit there.

[Someone With Mass]

implodinggoat wrote...

Twelve may have been too many although I personally enjoyed the variability; but halving it to 6 is going too damn far.

At least the DLC squaddie ups it to 7; but still this is very dissapointing.   I mean for Christ's sake I don't even have a Krogan or a Sentinel anymore.

Kaidan.

[jasonsantanna]

Someone With Mass wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

Twelve may have been too many although I personally enjoyed the variability; but halving it to 6 is going too damn far.

At least the DLC squaddie ups it to 7; but still this is very dissapointing.   I mean for Christ's sake I don't even have a Krogan or a Sentinel anymore.

Kaidan.

He doesnt have a save with Kaidan

[Boost32]

Someone With Mass wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

Twelve may have been too many although I personally enjoyed the variability; but halving it to 6 is going too damn far.

At least the DLC squaddie ups it to 7; but still this is very dissapointing.   I mean for Christ's sake I don't even have a Krogan or a Sentinel anymore.

Kaidan.

not if ou let him die, wich most people did

[Someone With Mass]

jasonsantanna wrote...

He doesnt have a save with Kaidan

Too bad, then.

Doesn't take away the fact that there is a Sentinel squadmate in ME3.

[implodinggoat]

Someone With Mass wrote...

jasonsantanna wrote...

He doesnt have a save with Kaidan

Too bad, then.

Doesn't take away the fact that there is a Sentinel squadmate in ME3.

It just seems like an incredibly dumb idea to include the VS as a permanent squaddie when you have less squadmates then last time.   If you had a boatload of squaddies like ME2 then it wouldn't be a big deal; but with less options it seems stupid to include 2 squaddies who are mutually exclusive.   More so when one of them is a soldier, the least useful supporting class in the game.

Honestly I was confident that Miranda would make it back in, she was an interesting character very useful and very hard to get killed during the suicide mission.   I figured they included Vega as a soldier squaddie in case you got Ash killed so surely there would be a Sentinel squaddie in case you got Kaiden killed.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 19 janvier 2012 - 03:39 .

[jasonsantanna]

Someone With Mass wrote...

jasonsantanna wrote...

He doesnt have a save with Kaidan

Too bad, then.

Doesn't take away the fact that there is a Sentinel squadmate in ME3.

Right. . . . I made sure I at least had one with each of the VS. . .