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[JJDrakken]

Seb is a prat, plain & simple.

JJ

[Jestina]

It was dumb to add yet another archer.

If anything, a more neutral warrior was needed.

[Eternal Phoenix]

My thoughts.

[Loain]

I wasn't disappointed with Sebastian as a character or what the DLC ads to the game but yes I was disappointed that the bad ass I thought I was getting turned out to be a choir boy.

I was disappointed with his reckless behavior though. He may be a crack shot but he still should never have fired an arrow so close to Elthina. Even if there was no risk of hitting her at her age she could have had a heart attack.

[Sabariel]

Sebastian did indeed seem more... interesting in his intro. Then I found out he has the personality of a used kleenex and now he stays in the Chantry with Elthy

[Mikka-chan]

Seb stays pretty 'badass' if you rival him, though personally, I think there's nothing wrong with the softer side that supports returning to the Chantry as a brother. He's impulsive and makes mistakes, but he honestly seems to be a good person- and not nearly as destructive to those around him as some of the other 'good people' in your party can be (oh, MERILLLL).

Sadly, because I tend to romance Anders (he amuses me), Seb often ends up storming out, even though most times I believe he's quite correct. Ah well.

[The Xand]

Xilizhra wrote...

Really? I found Shale irritating. She had basically no character depth.

dragonflight288 wrote...

I was honestly surprised that Shale would support Caradin however when I took her into the deep roads when all she talks about is golem superiority to humans, elves, dwarves, and birds.

Rifneno wrote...

Shale won me over when she threatened to
squish Lady Isolde's head for... well, duh.  Still wouldn't want her
near my birds though.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

Shale was male :/

Edit: turns out it did used to be female. Sounds like it's voiced by Eddie Izzard though.

Modifié par The Xand, 09 septembre 2011 - 03:49 .

[The Baconer]

The Xand wrote...
Shale was male :/

Nope.avi

[Asch Lavigne]

The Xand wrote...

Shale was male :/

Play the part where you recover Shale's memories in the Deep Roads again. Shale was a she. Shayle or something along that spelling.

[The Xand]

The original dwarf might have been but he's obv not a girl any more. Since he doesn't have breasts and the golems are modelled after male dwarves he's closer to being a male I reckon.

[The Baconer]

The Xand wrote...

The original dwarf might have been but he's obv not a girl any more. Since he doesn't have breasts and the golems are modelled after male dwarves he's closer to being a male I reckon.

Nope.avi

[The Xand]

The Baconer wrote...

Nope.avi

The Baconer wrote...

Nope.avi

Witty.

Modifié par The Xand, 09 septembre 2011 - 03:55 .

[DKJaigen]

The Xand wrote...

The original dwarf might have been but he's obv not a girl any more. Since he doesn't have breasts and the golems are modelled after male dwarves he's closer to being a male I reckon.

Golem bodies are neither male or female. so it comes to personality and shale is far feminine then masculine even if she is very catty from time to time

[Foolsfolly]

Golem bodies are neither male or female. so it comes to personality and shale is far feminine then masculine even if she is very catty from time to time

It comes down to what they were. A Golem isn't a dwarf anymore. Shale was a dwarven woman. Which means if she has any gender now as a rock it's still female because that's what she was. Now she's a statue which doesn't look male or female nor particularly like a dwarf.

[Sons of Horus]

I have to say, I found him more tolerable than that hypocrite Anders berating Merrill for dealing with a daemon and practicing blood magic (oh so its ok when mages are desperate or its ok when you merge with justice). I only found it a shame that you couldn’t let Sebastian beat the crap out of Anders before you stick the knife in. Looking forward to helping reclaiming his city from his cousin and the templars.

[The Xand]

DKJaigen wrote...

Golem bodies are neither male or female.
so it comes to personality and shale is far feminine then masculine
even if she is very catty from time to time

Shale actually struck me as being quite masculine, put me massively in mind of Eddie Izzard or Jimmy Carr because of his droll sense of humour and because it sounds nearly identical to Eddie Izzard.

Foolsfolly wrote...It comes down to what they were. A Golem isn't a dwarf anymore. Shale was a dwarven woman. Which means if she has any gender now as a rock it's still female because that's what she was. Now she's a statue which doesn't look male or female nor particularly like a dwarf.

That person was just one of the base ingredients, like the rock and steel and magic it was made from. And now that dwarf is part of a statue which looks particularly male and sounds male. If women who undergo sex changes get to call themselves he then Shale is blatantly a he since he's not remotely feminine any more.

Modifié par The Xand, 11 septembre 2011 - 12:43 .

[whykikyouwhy]

The Xand wrote...

That person was just one of the base ingredients, like the rock and steel and magic it was made from. And now that dwarf is part of a statue which looks particularly male and sounds male. If women who undergo sex changes get to call themselves he then Shale is blatantly a he since he's not remotely feminine any more.

A golem is androgynous in appearance - neither male nor female as there are no qualifying dangling or jutting bits. A golem is simply streamlined for the service it's created for. So too, I don't know how "feminine" the sound of rock grinding or rolling against rock is supposed to be as far as vocals go. It's simply the voice of rock and stone. Again, also not gender-specific.

Because she no longer displays what may be perceived as "feminine" qualities in her appearance or sound, does not necessarily dictate Shale to be male or to be identified with male pronouns. If I recall correctly, once Shale remembers that she was once a dwarf woman, she identifies herself, somewhat, as female, and female pronouns are used. She's not an "it" because that is not inclusive of the soul or identity of the character - she is a "she." I think the codexes also refer to her with female pronouns.

[Monica21]

Sons of Horus wrote...

I have to say, I found him more tolerable than that hypocrite Anders berating Merrill for dealing with a daemon and practicing blood magic (oh so its ok when mages are desperate or its ok when you merge with justice). I only found it a shame that you couldn’t let Sebastian beat the crap out of Anders before you stick the knife in. Looking forward to helping reclaiming his city from his cousin and the templars.

This. I never got "bad ass" from his intro. I got "angry guy is a pretty good archer." 

And yes, he is by far the most tolerable male companion which is why I rivalmance him. I'm just downright weary of "grrr.. Templars!" and "grrr... Mages!" A rivalmance with Sebastian is very much helping him believe he would be a good ruler rather than, "oh sure I'll help you with a shady idea you're not telling me anything about even though I really wish you would."

[The Xand]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

A golem is androgynous in appearance - neither male nor female as there are no qualifying dangling or jutting bits. A golem is simply streamlined for the service it's created for. So too, I don't know how "feminine" the sound of rock grinding or rolling against rock is supposed to be as far as vocals go. It's simply the voice of rock and stone. Again, also not gender-specific.

Because she no longer displays what may be perceived as "feminine" qualities in her appearance or sound, does not necessarily dictate Shale to be male or to be identified with male pronouns. If I recall correctly, once Shale remembers that she was once a dwarf woman, she identifies herself, somewhat, as female, and female pronouns are used. She's not an "it" because that is not inclusive of the soul or identity of the character - she is a "she." I think the codexes also refer to her with female pronouns.

Codex entry referred to Shale as "it".

Also the golems are obviously modelled to be male.

http://images1.wikia...rk_másolata.jpg

Modifié par The Xand, 11 septembre 2011 - 04:05 .

[whykikyouwhy]

The Xand wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

A golem is androgynous in appearance - neither male nor female as there are no qualifying dangling or jutting bits. A golem is simply streamlined for the service it's created for. So too, I don't know how "feminine" the sound of rock grinding or rolling against rock is supposed to be as far as vocals go. It's simply the voice of rock and stone. Again, also not gender-specific.

Because she no longer displays what may be perceived as "feminine" qualities in her appearance or sound, does not necessarily dictate Shale to be male or to be identified with male pronouns. If I recall correctly, once Shale remembers that she was once a dwarf woman, she identifies herself, somewhat, as female, and female pronouns are used. She's not an "it" because that is not inclusive of the soul or identity of the character - she is a "she." I think the codexes also refer to her with female pronouns.

Codex entry referred to Shale as "it".

Also the golems are obviously modelled to be male.

images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091119155755/dragonage/images/thumb/b/b2/Golemartwork_m%C3%A1solata.jpg/462px-Golemartwork_m%C3%A1solata.jpg

Well, there is this codex entry - specifically the bit if you completed the "A Golem's Memories" quest.

Your image, while impressive in art style, does not scream "male" to me. A golem is a construct. Genderless - humanoid in form - head, torso, 2 arms, 2 legs. The absence of curves or breasts does not make the construct "masculine" just as the absence of male genitalia does not make the construct "feminine." To say that something humanoid looking is, by default, male, is a bit unfair. If you looked at a skeleton, would you be able to identify that it was male or female immediately? I would wager most people would simply recognize it as human or not human.

A golem does however carry within in, in the case of Shale, a human soul/identity. And in Shale's situation, that identity is female. I take the cue from the character. If Shale refers to herself as she, based on who she was before becoming a genderless construct, then that's who she is and how I (and the Warden) will refer to her.

[The Baconer]

Still doesn't make her a male. Just like carving out a pair of stone ****** wouldn't make her a female.

[The Xand]

[quote]whykikyouwhy wrote...

Well, there is this codex entry - specifically the bit if you completed the "A Golem's Memories" quest.

Your image, while impressive in art style, does not scream "male" to me. A golem is a construct. Genderless - humanoid in form - head, torso, 2 arms, 2 legs. The absence of curves or breasts does not make the construct "masculine" just as the absence of male genitalia does not make the construct "feminine." To say that something humanoid looking is, by default, male, is a bit unfair. If you looked at a skeleton, would you be able to identify that it was male or female immediately? I would wager most people would simply recognize it as human or not human. [/quote]
Skeletons rarely come with sculpted male torsos.
[quote]whykikyouwhy wrote...A golem does however carry within in, in the case of Shale, a human soul/identity. And in Shale's situation, that identity is female. I take the cue from the character. If Shale refers to herself as she, based on who she was before becoming a genderless construct, then that's who she is and how I (and the Warden) will refer to her. [/quote][/quote]

It looks and sounds like a male, and the codex refers to Shale as "it". When the codex talks of "she" and "her" it was referring to it's former self, which was female. But no more. Since it now wears a masculine body and sounds like a male it makes more sense to refer to Shale as a he, though I suppose the correct term would be "it".

Modifié par The Xand, 11 septembre 2011 - 04:21 .

[Monica21]

The Baconer wrote...

Still doesn't make her a male. Just like carving out a pair of stone ****** wouldn't make her a female.

Shale the golem is neither male nor female. Shayle, the dwarf who offered her soul to power the golem, was female. Shale has the soul of a female but the body is genderless.

[The Baconer]

The Xand wrote...
It looks and sounds like a male,

Shale's voice actor:
www.geraldine-blecker.com/

Monica21 wrote...
Shale
the golem is neither male nor female. Shayle, the dwarf who offered her
soul to power the golem, was female. Shale has the soul of a female but
the body is genderless.

Yeah. That was, like, my point.

Modifié par The Baconer, 11 septembre 2011 - 04:34 .

[syllogi]

The codex entries were worded as "it" in regards to Shale in order to keep her gender a surprise until the PC has done her quests. If you had done her quests, there is no doubt that she is female, and considers herself female.

Shale is also voiced by a female voice actress. Shale is female.

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