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[FlyingWalrus]

sympathy4saren wrote...

What about adding sneak and a silenced weapon? Open the level up in size outside of a narrow corridor all of the time and give players the option to play stealthy once in a while in an open environment.

A) they are doing that, they are doing that, C) they are also doing that.

All except for a silenced weapon. A blade of some sort is really kind of necessary for this kind of gameplay. See SOCOM, MGS3, Splinter Cell, Halo Reach, and any other stealth-action game. Hell, look at Deus Ex: Human Revolution. Beautifully played in there.

All the blade does is allow one stab kills at close range. Sure, it can be used for stealth....but that's a pretty weak stealth system on its own. So, basically, its a one stab kill. Push a button....wham....dead.

Aka pretty much what every stealthy knife-kill in every game featuring it does. You'd be surprised what a simple mechanic addition does to the design of an entire game. I can only hope that Bioware takes advantage of these ramifications and designs the levels around it.

I didnt even hear if this thing has recharge or not. Granted, I've been pretty disappointed overall with what I've seen from Mass Effect 3. I'm starting to feel a little better now that I see and feel BioWare is taking Skills seriously and there is some effort into it, but I find the entire 'image' of Mass Effect altered and evolving for the worst, and because it is a marketing gimmick, I believe the omni-blade naturally represents that.

Things change. Deal with it.

Remember when Super Mario Bros. 3 came out and no one complained about how the new power-ups were a silly gimmick and the addition of an overworld map made things too confusing and aimless?

Also, everything is sold on gimmicks. Absolutely EVERYTHING. Just go look up some of Dragon Age: Origins' trailers. Really, do it. They have absolutely nothing to do with the things that made that game great.

Like I said....I personally don't mind if its available, but I'm going to be kind of annoyed if I can't drop or sell it somewhere. I do not want in in my possession, and as a supporter of much more control and micromanaging, I believe my PC in role shouldn't have to even possess it. Delete the omni-blade program file, function...or if an omni-tool mod or mod program, drop or sell it.

I doubt you can do that as it's supposed to be something you can whip out in a pinch, sort of like the combat knife in any soldier's loadout, so I suggest you swallow your disappointment now and get over it. However, I do hope that you can upgrade or change the functionality of your omni-tool's close-range feature. That would be great.

The way I see it, Bioware could have just gone with a mundane knife and be done with it, but some people who enjoy seeing the more outlandish and unreal aspects of the ME universe would go, "lol a knife? what is this, 1985?" I can understand why Bioware went for the more incredible design option there, and you know what? It probably WAS entirely for the gee-whiz factor. Gamers, and especially science fiction afficionados, love to see new and outlandish tech. You don't like it, and that's alright; it's not everyone's cup of tea and I myself thought it was somewhat silly when it was first revealed. But seeing what it does for the gameplay makes me glad for its inclusion and I will be forward-looking if it means an improvement to the experience.

Like I said, all I demand is an explanation for it within the context of the universe. Omni-tools have been known to be capable of microfabrication and a blade is a simple enough device for it to fall into the realm of believability for the omni-tool's powers.

Modifié par FlyingWalrus, 28 août 2011 - 06:34 .

[ThePwener]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Wow. Incorrect and belligerent.

No, only you. S/he was 100% correct. Stating the contrary has no point if you are wrong.

[Terror_K]

Wow... I play a few hours of Human Revolution, come back and this thing has exploded.

I want to clarify something here: it's not so much the omni-blade as the way it's being presented and handled. If it was just a minor mention and in a few screenshots then it wouldn't be so bad, but it's getting plastered everywhere. The reason I made the thread was because of the recent Femshep t-shirt and artwork that was released. I was happy my Femshep of choice was picked as the default, but when we finally get a decent piece of artwork and merchandise featuring her it has to be saddled with the Omni--Blade again: the most "dudebro" and "herp-derp" piece of ME3 related marketing I've seen. What the stupid Renegade scars and catsuits were for ME2, this seems to be for ME3. Using it in a few previews is one thing, but I can't even get a good wallpaper and pierce of merchandise I'd like to own anymore without it being spoiled by this over-the-top, immature, mainstream advertising BS. It's the equivalent of finally hearing somebody is baking your favourite cake, only to hear it's also coated in one of your least favourite icings and toppings. Does this stupid mechanic really have to seemingly permeate EVERY aspect of ME3 these days that it can? Even the coolest things will wear out their welcome when overdone, and this was never even that cool in the first place.

[sympathy4saren]

VaultingFrog wrote...

symp4saren what is your definition of a legion? To me a legion is aprox. 6,000 individuals (about the same size as a roman legion...). In all honesty you are probably only relating about 10 or so people who are upset about it that you actually personally know.

Please take note that you never actually know who a person is online.

So exactly what "legions" are you professing to be representing in this matter?

Well, the Bethesda forums are pretty busy right now, with The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim releasing in less than three months. It's ironic....The Elder Scrolls has integrated an element from a fps into combat...spell effects like Bioshock, seeing it in your hand. Combat has a major revamp...and i like it. A lot. I don't think good combat is bad at all. As long as the underlining is Skills, powers, bonuses/perks and items you can choose to have/not to have at any time and upgrade/modify (or....in fantasy...craft or enchant), its terrific. Good action in combat is very enjoyable.

'Legion' is a term objective to the individual, but the thread I was in had about 40 or so people who claimed to be Mass Effect fans ripping it to shreds. It began by TES fans criticising The Elder Scrolls for removing the attributes of Agility and Athleticism in favor of a much improved third-person perspective corresponding with first-person. The topic went way off course and there were people posting they were glad it wasn't getting a change like Mass Effect is getting. Posters writing claiming to be ME or former ME fans tore the omni-blade to shreds, among other things. Some said they haven't been on the BioWare forums in forever because they are that turned off by the way the Mass Effect IP is going. I was surprised to see the thread and see where it went. There were also non-ME fans trying to get the thread on-topic, but a Mod cut it off.

I guess I subconsciously perceived 'legion' because it was just one thread of a busy forum, but around 40 or so in just one thread. Said they were ME fans or former ME fans who gave up. I was kind of irritated that the omni-blade was even brought up on that forum.

[VaultingFrog]

sympathy4saren wrote...

VaultingFrog wrote...

symp4saren what is your definition of a legion? To me a legion is aprox. 6,000 individuals (about the same size as a roman legion...). In all honesty you are probably only relating about 10 or so people who are upset about it that you actually personally know.

Please take note that you never actually know who a person is online.

So exactly what "legions" are you professing to be representing in this matter?

Well, the Bethesda forums are pretty busy right now, with The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim releasing in less than three months. It's ironic....The Elder Scrolls has integrated an element from a fps into combat...spell effects like Bioshock, seeing it in your hand. Combat has a major revamp...and i like it. A lot. I don't think good combat is bad at all. As long as the underlining is Skills, powers, bonuses/perks and items you can choose to have/not to have at any time and upgrade/modify (or....in fantasy...craft or enchant), its terrific. Good action in combat is very enjoyable.

'Legion' is a term objective to the individual, but the thread I was in had about 40 or so people who claimed to be Mass Effect fans ripping it to shreds. It began by TES fans criticising The Elder Scrolls for removing the attributes of Agility and Athleticism in favor of a much improved third-person perspective corresponding with first-person. The topic went way off course and there were people posting they were glad it wasn't getting a change like Mass Effect is getting. Posters writing claiming to be ME or former ME fans tore the omni-blade to shreds, among other things. Some said they haven't been on the BioWare forums in forever because they are that turned off by the way the Mass Effect IP is going. I was surprised to see the thread and see where it went. There were also non-ME fans trying to get the thread on-topic, but a Mod cut it off.

I guess I subconsciously perceived 'legion' because it was just one thread of a busy forum, but around 40 or so in just one thread. Said they were ME fans or former ME fans who gave up. I was kind of irritated that the omni-blade was even brought up on that forum.

1: What does SkyRim have to do with ME? (though yes it looks amazing)

2: I am unsure as to how you could quantify 40 people as a legion. Considering that 40 people online is a drop in an ocean in terms of people online for a particular game it is not a very strong argument. Also considering that the amount of people online for a game is a fraction of the amount of people actually going to be buying it/playing it or watching it on G4 (or whereever else they can). Again that doesnt really speak much for the "volumes" of people who are upset about this.

3: Its a PR movement. It is ment to stick in your head, and I figure its working quite well as it is a complaint at least for a few people and for others its eyecandy that they enjoy.

4: If it really bothers you that much then just dont bother looking. You always have that choice and there is plenty of PR out there with descriptions for the game without the omni-blade. Nose around and find what you want and dont deal with what you are unwilling to view.

[sympathy4saren]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

What about adding sneak and a silenced weapon? Open the level up in size outside of a narrow corridor all of the time and give players the option to play stealthy once in a while in an open environment.

A) they are doing that, they are doing that, C) they are also doing that.

All except for a silenced weapon. A blade of some sort is really kind of necessary for this kind of gameplay. See SOCOM, MGS3, Splinter Cell, Halo Reach, and any other stealth-action game. Hell, look at Deus Ex: Human Revolution. Beautifully played in there.

All the blade does is allow one stab kills at close range. Sure, it can be used for stealth....but that's a pretty weak stealth system on its own. So, basically, its a one stab kill. Push a button....wham....dead.

Aka pretty much what every stealthy knife-kill in every game featuring it does. You'd be surprised what a simple mechanic addition does to the design of an entire game. I can only hope that Bioware takes advantage of these ramifications and designs the levels around it.

I didnt even hear if this thing has recharge or not. Granted, I've been pretty disappointed overall with what I've seen from Mass Effect 3. I'm starting to feel a little better now that I see and feel BioWare is taking Skills seriously and there is some effort into it, but I find the entire 'image' of Mass Effect altered and evolving for the worst, and because it is a marketing gimmick, I believe the omni-blade naturally represents that.

Things change. Deal with it.

Remember when Super Mario Bros. 3 came out and no one complained about how the new power-ups were a silly gimmick and the addition of an overworld map made things too confusing and aimless?

Also, everything is sold on gimmicks. Absolutely EVERYTHING. Just go look up some of Dragon Age: Origins' trailers. Really, do it. They have absolutely nothing to do with the things that made that game great.

Like I said....I personally don't mind if its available, but I'm going to be kind of annoyed if I can't drop or sell it somewhere. I do not want in in my possession, and as a supporter of much more control and micromanaging, I believe my PC in role shouldn't have to even possess it. Delete the omni-blade program file, function...or if an omni-tool mod or mod program, drop or sell it.

I doubt you can do that as it's supposed to be something you can whip out in a pinch, sort of like the combat knife in any soldier's loadout, so I suggest you swallow your disappointment now and get over it. However, I do hope that you can upgrade or change the functionality of your omni-tool's close-range feature. That would be great.

The way I see it, Bioware could have just gone with a mundane knife and be done with it, but some people who enjoy seeing the more outlandish and unreal aspects of the ME universe would go, "lol a knife? what is this, 1985?" I can understand why Bioware went for the more incredible design option there, and you know what? It probably WAS entirely for the gee-whiz factor. Gamers, and especially science fiction afficionados, love to see new and outlandish tech. You don't like it, and that's alright; it's not everyone's cup of tea and I myself thought it was somewhat silly when it was first revealed. But seeing what it does for the gameplay makes me glad for its inclusion and I will be forward-looking if it means an improvement to the experience.

Like I said, all I demand is an explanation for it within the context of the universe. Omni-tools have been known to be capable of microfabrication and a blade is a simple enough device for it to fall into the realm of believability for the omni-tool's powers.

Well, things do always change. Unfortunately, its not always for the better. Sometimes they eventually change back, though.

I hope you're right about the open environments, sneak and stealth options. I've seen nothing of it to this point, so i remain skeptical, unless confirmed by a dev. You make some valid arguments, as well, on the design choice and implementation reasons. I also agree that an explanation in context of the Mass Effect universe is much desired.

Good points...altered my perception a little.

Modifié par sympathy4saren, 28 août 2011 - 07:21 .

[FoxShadowblade]

What did BioWare do to you with the omni blade? ...Never mind, it's funnier in my head and makes your post make more sense.

[legion999]

Terror_K wrote...

Wow... I play a few hours of Human Revolution, come back and this thing has exploded.

I want to clarify something here: it's not so much the omni-blade as the way it's being presented and handled. If it was just a minor mention and in a few screenshots then it wouldn't be so bad, but it's getting plastered everywhere. The reason I made the thread was because of the recent Femshep t-shirt and artwork that was released. I was happy my Femshep of choice was picked as the default, but when we finally get a decent piece of artwork and merchandise featuring her it has to be saddled with the Omni--Blade again: the most "dudebro" and "herp-derp" piece of ME3 related marketing I've seen. What the stupid Renegade scars and catsuits were for ME2, this seems to be for ME3. Using it in a few previews is one thing, but I can't even get a good wallpaper and pierce of merchandise I'd like to own anymore without it being spoiled by this over-the-top, immature, mainstream advertising BS. It's the equivalent of finally hearing somebody is baking your favourite cake, only to hear it's also coated in one of your least favourite icings and toppings. Does this stupid mechanic really have to seemingly permeate EVERY aspect of ME3 these days that it can? Even the coolest things will wear out their welcome when overdone, and this was never even that cool in the first place.

I don't mind the omni-blade ( in fact I'm rather glad melee is getting improved ) but I have to agree that it is being overused.

[FlyingWalrus]

@sympathy4saren: I'm glad.

I hope my optimism isn't upset by empty dev promises and that things are indeed as they say they will be. At the very least, it probably bodes well that we are still some seven months out from release and they're already confirming and talking about squadmate armor and customization.

Modifié par FlyingWalrus, 28 août 2011 - 07:32 .

[Iakus]

I too am tired of the omniblade before the game's even out.

Don't mind the concept, of course. But the look furthers the already cartoonish aspects of the game.

Not that my opinion matters or anything, of course.

[VeR0se]

We should discuss the uses of the omni-blade, its not just for combat or trailers!
Shepard could probably make a pretty useful cook with that thing, hell if he ever needed a closer shave and isn't aboard the normady all he really needs is a mirror and his omni blade.

Original topic:
Although it's a cool aspect I'm sick of seeing it too.

[DeathDragon185]

It would be super cool IRL. to carry practically a invisible switch blade around would be awesome.

[Kasai666]

I read from my last post to this page. Holy damn people.

[Gabey5]

your opinion does not reflect everyone's.

don't like it, don't use it

[Someone With Mass]

They could show off some other classes that don't use the omni-blade a little more often.

[GodWood]

I have to agree with Terror.
Yes I think the omni-blade is absolutely retarded but it's Bioware's constant shoving it down my throat like it's the greatest feature ever that's more annoying.

It's almost as bad as Bethesda with their stupid obession with their Dragon Shouts.

Bethesda. I do not give a **** about your stupid Dragon Shouts. STFU about it and tell me about the Dark Brotherhood or something.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Terror_K wrote...

Wow... I play a few hours of Human Revolution, come back and this thing has exploded.

I want to clarify something here: it's not so much the omni-blade as the way it's being presented and handled. If it was just a minor mention and in a few screenshots then it wouldn't be so bad, but it's getting plastered everywhere. The reason I made the thread was because of the recent Femshep t-shirt and artwork that was released. I was happy my Femshep of choice was picked as the default, but when we finally get a decent piece of artwork and merchandise featuring her it has to be saddled with the Omni--Blade again: the most "dudebro" and "herp-derp" piece of ME3 related marketing I've seen. What the stupid Renegade scars and catsuits were for ME2, this seems to be for ME3. Using it in a few previews is one thing, but I can't even get a good wallpaper and pierce of merchandise I'd like to own anymore without it being spoiled by this over-the-top, immature, mainstream advertising BS. It's the equivalent of finally hearing somebody is baking your favourite cake, only to hear it's also coated in one of your least favourite icings and toppings. Does this stupid mechanic really have to seemingly permeate EVERY aspect of ME3 these days that it can? Even the coolest things will wear out their welcome when overdone, and this was never even that cool in the first place.

With regards to the opening line, what did you expect, you did one of your usual "WAAAHH! I don't like something" style posts that we're oh so used to seeing.

As for FemShep having the omni-blade, what did you expect? Something different from maleshep? The only obvious difference there was always going to be was that it was femshep not maleshep.

[Shockwave81]

Maybe someone should throw together a compilation vid for Youtube showing every instance that the omni-blade is used in ME3 promotional media. You could probably get a good 2-3 minute clip out of it.

[Tasker]

My opinion, ( not that anyone is really interested  ,) is that Bioware seem to be bigging themselves up over adding something that  nearly every other FPS and TPS has - a knife for when ammo runs out.

Now if the weapons didn't use thermal clips, we wouldn't need to get close enough to use a lightsabre omniblade in the first place.


Nah, in all honesty, It's a close combat attack and as I don't use close combat attacks it's something that I couldn't care less about.
 
And being purely selfish, i'd rather they'd have spent the time and resourses on modular mix and match squad mate armour.

Modifié par Orkboy, 28 août 2011 - 09:13 .

[Candidate 88766]

I like the omni-blade. It makes sense that Shepard should have some kind of melee weapon, and the omni-blade is far more interesting than a regular blade and is in keeping with the visual style established by ME1 and ME2 - particularly 2 where you had holographic armour and a holographic shield in the game. It doesn't break any lore and adds more variety to the combat, which is always a good thing.

[Inutaisho7996]

Orkboy wrote...

My opinion, ( not that anyone is really interested  ,) is that Bioware seem to be bigging themselves up over adding something that  nearly every other FPS and TPS has - a knife for when ammo runs out.

Now if the weapons didn't use thermal clips, we wouldn't need to get close enough to use a lightsabre omniblade in the first place.


Nah, in all honesty, It's a close combat attack and as I don't use close combat attacks it's something that I couldn't care less about.
 
And being purely selfish, i'd rather they'd have spent the time and resourses on modular mix and match squad mate armour.

I was force into melee range in both games quite often regardless of how hot my weapon was. Now, we have something to get ourselves out of those situations.

[Phaedon]

GodWood wrote...

I have to agree with Terror.
Yes I think the omni-blade is absolutely retarded but it's Bioware's constant shoving it down my throat like it's the greatest feature ever that's more annoying.

It's almost as bad as Bethesda with their stupid obession with their Dragon Shouts.

Bethesda. I do not give a **** about your stupid Dragon Shouts. STFU about it and tell me about the Dark Brotherhood or something.

Oh, shut up already. I haven't heard you two say a single positive thing for months.

Both of these features have been created for specific reasons. For ME3, it's what BioWare decided to do to remedy the poor CQC which lead to staying in cover for too long. It's a new feature, and they have hardly shown it enough. We have seen a couple of demos with the soldier on it, and the heavy melee attack been used 3 times for the Adept, in a single demo, and only once for the Sentinel, in the same demo. And the Engineer using it once in the latest trailer. Using it is not just an option, it requires extra effort. You can still do traditional melee, and even chain melee attacks.

You don't like how it looks and you think that you represent the half of the fan base while you tend to align with the vocal and whiny minority. The omni-blade is one of the really big features of ME3 in combat, and blaming BioWare for showcasing it because it looks so ~COD and GoW-like~ is retarded. 

Terror_K "fishing" threads were the rant-bomb were dropped in the OP, and Terror_K didn't return until the 5th or so page to post a single comment were tiring already.

Modifié par Phaedon, 28 août 2011 - 10:38 .

[Apollo Starflare]

It does feel a little overdone, but it's very understandable as to why. There are a lot of people who lap up snazzy combat moves like that (and gadgets). It reminds me of the fist chisels from DE:HR, a feature which would inevitably be covered in almost any preview of the game.