laecraft wrote...
I wonder how many Paragon Shepards would still destroy the base if it was labeled as a Renegade choice.
Yezdigerd wrote...
Undertone wrote...
Paragons let Fist go assuming he will not do any harm in the future, assuming Helena will become a model citizen and stop her gang (especially after she has full control of it) as she says. This is applied to practically any criminal Shep encounters.
I find it remarkable that you think a gangsterstyle murder of Fist is a "realistic vision" of the conduct of a Navy commander. You must be from Somalia or something.
Guest_laecraft_*
It's just that sometimes it feels like people are inventing the reasons to justify that particular joice. And sometimes the outcome of a choice is not immediately obvious. Made me wonder how many people turn to color for guidance.
kumquats wrote...
laecraft wrote...
I wonder how many Paragon Shepards would still destroy the base if it was labeled as a Renegade choice.
Most of them.
Sorry if I don't believe that most players actually think about what they are doing in ME1+2 and what that means for ME3.
Paragons let the Rachni Queen live? Not on my ship!
And I still think Captain Anderson is a trap.
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Don't mistake the Mass Effect universe for the Anglo-Euro laws of war.
Undertone wrote...
Yezdigerd wrote...
Undertone wrote...
Paragons let Fist go assuming he will not do any harm in the future, assuming Helena will become a model citizen and stop her gang (especially after she has full control of it) as she says. This is applied to practically any criminal Shep encounters.
I find it remarkable that you think a gangsterstyle murder of Fist is a "realistic vision" of the conduct of a Navy commander. You must be from Somalia or something.
And you must be another moron who knows by heart military doctrine, wake up and see the world we live in. No I'm not from Somalia although I'm from another region of dark sorcery and shady underground called "the grim Balkans of Eastern Europe". Oooooh communist!
No law ever written is as powerful as cold steel. /argument
Undertone wrote...
Yezdigerd wrote...
Undertone wrote...
Paragons let Fist go assuming he will not do any harm in the future, assuming Helena will become a model citizen and stop her gang (especially after she has full control of it) as she says. This is applied to practically any criminal Shep encounters.
I find it remarkable that you think a gangsterstyle murder of Fist is a "realistic vision" of the conduct of a Navy commander. You must be from Somalia or something.
And you must be another moron who knows by heart military doctrine, wake up and see the world we live in. No I'm not from Somalia although I'm from another region of dark sorcery and shady underground called "the grim Balkans of Eastern Europe". Oooooh communist!
No law ever written is as powerful as cold steel. /argument
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Yezdigerd wrote...
I find it remarkable that you think a gangsterstyle murder of Fist is a "realistic vision" of the conduct of a Navy commander. You must be from Somalia or something.
Modifié par Medhia Nox, 30 août 2011 - 08:50 .
laecraft wrote...
Why is it unrealistic? Shepard's a Spectre material. He's already on the path to become one. He is not your typical Navy. Shortly after, when he becomes a Spectre, he doesn't undergo any sudden, drastic changes in personality. And a Spectre can kill whoever he wants, without any repercussions whatsoever. He has to be willing, to - for the sake of the mission. There is a reason why the Council chose him. There's a reason why Anderson didn't pass the test, but Shepard had.
Yezdigerd wrote...
Undertone wrote...
Yezdigerd wrote...
Undertone wrote...
Paragons let Fist go assuming he will not do any harm in the future, assuming Helena will become a model citizen and stop her gang (especially after she has full control of it) as she says. This is applied to practically any criminal Shep encounters.
I find it remarkable that you think a gangsterstyle murder of Fist is a "realistic vision" of the conduct of a Navy commander. You must be from Somalia or something.
And you must be another moron who knows by heart military doctrine, wake up and see the world we live in. No I'm not from Somalia although I'm from another region of dark sorcery and shady underground called "the grim Balkans of Eastern Europe". Oooooh communist!
No law ever written is as powerful as cold steel. /argument
Your rebuttal is truly compelling. -Murder officer?, "you should know that no law ever written is as powerful as cold steel"
Try it and tell me how it works out for you.
Undertone wrote...
Yeah sure. Sorry if I don't believe you but I've read more then enough of a life time crappy arguments of paragons about why they make the choices they make - 95% of pure assumptions or let's **** TIM cause we hate him and blow up the base.
You mad?Lunatic LK47 wrote...
laecraft wrote...
Why is it unrealistic? Shepard's a Spectre material. He's already on the path to become one. He is not your typical Navy. Shortly after, when he becomes a Spectre, he doesn't undergo any sudden, drastic changes in personality. And a Spectre can kill whoever he wants, without any repercussions whatsoever. He has to be willing, to - for the sake of the mission. There is a reason why the Council chose him. There's a reason why Anderson didn't pass the test, but Shepard had.
Uh, Anderson didn't pass because Saren went out of his way to screw him over. The in-game dialogue outright says it, not to mention Karpshyn's crappy novel added more insult to injury.
Seboist wrote...
Anderson has nobody but himself to blame for screwing things up. The reason why he supported Shepard in ME1 was due to his personal vendetta against Saren. Anderson even stoops as low as to just start making **** up like false claiming Saren wants to wipe out humanity.
Seboist wrote...
Anderson has nobody but himself to blame for screwing things up. The reason why he supported Shepard in ME1 was due to his personal vendetta against Saren. Anderson even stoops as low as to just start making **** up like false claiming Saren wants to wipe out humanity.
laecraft wrote...
Yezdigerd wrote...
I find it remarkable that you think a gangsterstyle murder of Fist is a "realistic vision" of the conduct of a Navy commander. You must be from Somalia or something.
Why is it unrealistic? Shepard's a Spectre material. He's already on the path to become one. He is not your typical Navy. Shortly after, when he becomes a Spectre, he doesn't undergo any sudden, drastic changes in personality. And a Spectre can kill whoever he wants, without any repercussions whatsoever. He has to be willing, to - for the sake of the mission. There is a reason why the Council chose him. There's a reason why Anderson didn't pass the test, but Shepard had.
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What on Earth (besides being on Earth) gives you the impression that criminals have a right to a trial on the Citadel? The Magna Carta has not been prevailed upon the other species.Yezdigerd wrote...
Dean_the_Young wrote...
Don't mistake the Mass Effect universe for the Anglo-Euro laws of war.
I don't, yet there must be some laws of the citadel for what constitutes murder and I doubt even C-sec is empowered to summary execute untrialed criminals.
Only when it's against the interests of the state. When it's in support of the ruling party, or against the ruling regime's opponents, it's quite often encouraged (except when politically expedient to punish particular offenses). (See: China, Libya, Russia, Myanmar, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Iran, half the middle east.)Also totalitarian governments usually take a even harsher view of unsanctioned private violence then western democracies.
Nah, the reason Anderson didn't pass was because Saren said it occured because Anderson screwed up.Goneaviking wrote...
laecraft wrote...
Yezdigerd wrote...
I find it remarkable that you think a gangsterstyle murder of Fist is a "realistic vision" of the conduct of a Navy commander. You must be from Somalia or something.
Why is it unrealistic? Shepard's a Spectre material. He's already on the path to become one. He is not your typical Navy. Shortly after, when he becomes a Spectre, he doesn't undergo any sudden, drastic changes in personality. And a Spectre can kill whoever he wants, without any repercussions whatsoever. He has to be willing, to - for the sake of the mission. There is a reason why the Council chose him. There's a reason why Anderson didn't pass the test, but Shepard had.
[snip]
The reason that Anderson didn't pass the test is because hundreds of civilians died on his recruitment mission, apparently it's important that potential spectres possess some semblance of moderation in their "whatever it takes" worldview.
Only if the laws Shepard is bound by say he can't do what he did. Since Shepard can claim following directives from the Alliance in pursing this matter...Also, Shepard isn't a spectre when he raids Fists bar so he's legitimately risking prosecution and punishment when Fist is killed (unless he isn't killed). Naval officers, even special forces, are in theory bound by laws so killing Fist who had in effect become Shepard's prisoner is a pretty big deal even if the fallout is ignored in game.
laecraft wrote...
Why is it unrealistic? Shepard's a Spectre material. He's already on the path to become one. He is not your typical Navy. Shortly after, when he becomes a Spectre, he doesn't undergo any sudden, drastic changes in personality.
And a Spectre can kill whoever he wants, without any repercussions whatsoever.
It's nothing like any of our human laws, but it's the Citadel Council we're speaking about. They have to rule all the species of the galaxy with an iron hand.
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Undertone wrote...
A Spectre can deal with a situation however she/he feels fit. This is the whole point of becoming one. Play ME1 again maybe?
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