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[Iakus]

111987 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

111987 wrote...


To be fair, having the amount of squad mates they did made squad interaction almost impossible,

The first Dragon Age proved the opposite. Even Loghain had a significant amount in party banter...

I've never played Dragon Age, but there were 12 squad mates? Each with unique conversations, rather than a few dialogue tweaks? If so, I stand corrected.

Alistair
Morrigan
Leliana
Sten
Dog
Zevran
Wynne
Oghren
Shale (DLC character)
Loghain (endgame only)

Nine characters rather than twelve.  But yes they all had unique comments and conversations.  Including conversations with each other.

Here's a list of banter possible with Dog, who has the least amount.  Because he's, well, a dog.  dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dog_(Origins)/Dialogue

[Xeranx]

iakus wrote...

111987 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

111987 wrote...


To be fair, having the amount of squad mates they did made squad interaction almost impossible,

The first Dragon Age proved the opposite. Even Loghain had a significant amount in party banter...

I've never played Dragon Age, but there were 12 squad mates? Each with unique conversations, rather than a few dialogue tweaks? If so, I stand corrected.

Alistair
Morrigan
Leliana
Sten
Dog
Zevran
Wynne
Oghren
Shale (DLC character)
Loghain (endgame only)

Nine characters rather than twelve.  But yes they all had unique comments and conversations.  Including conversations with each other.

Here's a list of banter possible with Dog, who has the least amount.  Because he's, well, a dog.  dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dog_(Origins)/Dialogue

And that's outside of camp. 

[dreman9999]

Xeranx wrote...

iakus wrote...

111987 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

111987 wrote...


To be fair, having the amount of squad mates they did made squad interaction almost impossible,

The first Dragon Age proved the opposite. Even Loghain had a significant amount in party banter...

I've never played Dragon Age, but there were 12 squad mates? Each with unique conversations, rather than a few dialogue tweaks? If so, I stand corrected.

Alistair
Morrigan
Leliana
Sten
Dog
Zevran
Wynne
Oghren
Shale (DLC character)
Loghain (endgame only)

Nine characters rather than twelve.  But yes they all had unique comments and conversations.  Including conversations with each other.

Here's a list of banter possible with Dog, who has the least amount.  Because he's, well, a dog.  dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dog_(Origins)/Dialogue

And that's outside of camp. 

Which is the problem wit DA2<_<...

[Killjoy Cutter]

Bozorgmehr 2.0 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

In a game like ME, ME2, DA:O, story is everything. 

Without the story, you're just playing a boring cover shooter or whatever.

Without the "boring cover shooter or whatever" you're watching a movie - not playing a game.

Well, there would still be all the decisions to make.  

ME2 with the story, the decisions, etc, might be worth playing with a different combat system.   It probably wouldn't be worth playing even once if it were just a bunch of combat levels, regardless of the system.

[TuringPoint]

iakus wrote...

After many many playthroughs I found another, on Eden Prime, behind the beacon there's a spot where Shepard Ashley and Kaidan can comment on the scorched ring on the ground where Sovereign took off.

Yeah!  I heard about that.  Forgot pretty much.

[Killjoy Cutter]

iakus wrote...

Gorosaur wrote...

I stopped paying attention to this guy when he made his first statement that "Mass Effect 2 has one of the worst video game plots ever", which is utter horse ****.

Seriously, this guy should get out more and play a larger variety of games. There are much worse plots out there. Some are so atrociously bad that they are comedic.

Mass Effect 2 thrives in actually having good writing for its characters. While its main plot may stumble from time to time, it still has the most well written ensemble cast I've seen in a game as of late.

"Mass Effect 2 has one of the worst plots in the history of gaming sequels"

The phrase is a bit hyperbolic, but not as much as you make it out to be.  It's one of the worst plots in the history of gaming sequels.  Not "Worst.  Game.  Ever"

And yes, the characters (or at least their arcs) are interesting.  But the  main plot doesn't "stumble from time to time"  It's leg is broken shortly after Freedom's Progress and is largely bedridden for the rest of the game.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't an ensemble cast, oh I dunno, interact once in a while.  Just to show they're an ensembe?  

If you or Smuddy think that ME2 has a bad plot on the full scale of video games... you've missed some real howlers.  On the grand scale of holywood movies, ME2 would still be a somewhat better than average plot. 

[Whatever42]

Most critics and players liked the story in ME2 just fine. I think some people are comparing ME2 to some fantasy game in their head.

Yes, the ME1 plot was more epic than ME2 but I think the quality of the writing was often much higher in ME2. I also feel the characters were much better done.

Yes, DA:O had great character interactions that neither ME1 or ME2 had. They were almost as good as BG2. At those would have enhanced Mass Effect absolutely. However, I generally enjoyed most of the dialogue in ME2 more. DA:O dialogue had too much long winded exposition, while ME2 did a lot more to show you the characters.

We can contruct the perfect fantasy game in our head and can compare everything to that - and even ask for that - but to make sweeping statements like "worst sequel story ever" is silly.

[111987]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Bozorgmehr 2.0 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

In a game like ME, ME2, DA:O, story is everything. 

Without the story, you're just playing a boring cover shooter or whatever.

Without the "boring cover shooter or whatever" you're watching a movie - not playing a game.

Well, there would still be all the decisions to make.  

ME2 with the story, the decisions, etc, might be worth playing with a different combat system.   It probably wouldn't be worth playing even once if it were just a bunch of combat levels, regardless of the system.

If it were just a decision making game though, it would be like Mass Effect: Genesis. Now THAT would be a horrible game.

But yes, in a game like Mass Effect, the story is important. Personally I say game play is more important, but to each their own. I started with Mass Effect 2, and then played Mass Effect 1, and honestly when I first started, it was such a chore to play. I learned to love it in time, but at least at the beginning it was a big put-offer.

[Thompson family]

I used to be amazed at how fast this thread grew. Then I realized that the average response (including quotes within quote) is 1,000 words or more.

[Bozorgmehr 2.0]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Bozorgmehr 2.0 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

In a game like ME, ME2, DA:O, story is everything. 

Without the story, you're just playing a boring cover shooter or whatever.

Without the "boring cover shooter or whatever" you're watching a movie - not playing a game.

Well, there would still be all the decisions to make.  

ME2 with the story, the decisions, etc, might be worth playing with a different combat system.   It probably wouldn't be worth playing even once if it were just a bunch of combat levels, regardless of the system.

I guess we agree to disagree. I consider the the amount of influence the player has during ME's cutscenes neglectable and ME2's combat system a lot of fun. I played ME2 multiple times to test all six classes, weapons, powers and squadmates. But except the few lines / cutscenes I missed the first time around, I skipped most of the rest - I'm not really interested in hearing the same character repeating the same stuff for the third time. If I didn't liked ME2's combat system, I would likely have played it only once.

The "bunch of combat levels" and "boring cover shooter or whatever" is what makes ME a game and not a movie with a couple alternative endings or something. ME's story and plot are nothing more than a setting for a computer game, but you could use it for a movie too, or books, a play, a musical maybe?

When you say you don't like ME's combat - you're saying ME is a crappy game with a couple of cool cutscenes.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If you or Smuddy think that ME2 has a bad plot on the full scale of video games... you've missed some real howlers.  On the grand scale of holywood movies, ME2 would still be a somewhat better than average plot.

I must say I completely agree with you on the underlined bit.

[termokanden]

I still don't quite understand how it's big news that this smudboy has an opinion about a videogame.

So many things I do not understand in life.

[GuardianAngel470]

Why are we still talking about Smudboy's opinions? He was a snobbish jerk when he was on these forums and was promptly banned for it. Why should we care about what he thinks?

[Guldhun2]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
If you or Smuddy think that ME2 has a bad plot on the full scale of video games... you've missed some real howlers.  On the grand scale of holywood movies, ME2 would still be a somewhat better than average plot. 

Ok i'll bite, which video game with such a large team and budget behind it has a worse main plot than ME2.

[littlezack]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
If you or Smuddy think that ME2 has a bad plot on the full scale of video games... you've missed some real howlers.  On the grand scale of holywood movies, ME2 would still be a somewhat better than average plot. 

Ok i'll bite, which video game with such a large team and budget behind it has a worse main plot than ME2.

Star Ocean: The Last Hope comes to mind. Also Last Remnant. And Infinite Undiscovery. Final Fantasy X-2. To name a handful.

[Xeranx]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Why are we still talking about Smudboy's opinions? He was a snobbish jerk when he was on these forums and was promptly banned for it. Why should we care about what he thinks?

If you think that's grounds for being banned I guess you're fine with this as it's not snobbish in the least and isn't a bannable offense, apparently.  And if you find that acceptable I seriously don't want to talk to you or see any of your comments.

I went through a bunch of posts to see what Smudboy was banned for and saw nothing.  I don't know what he said, but I know he'd retaliate once someone came at him and he'd hold on to that if he saw an aggressor in another thread he was posting in.

Modifié par Xeranx, 04 septembre 2011 - 11:20 .

[didymos1120]

littlezack wrote...

Guldhun2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
If you or Smuddy think that ME2 has a bad plot on the full scale of video games... you've missed some real howlers.  On the grand scale of holywood movies, ME2 would still be a somewhat better than average plot. 

Ok i'll bite, which video game with such a large team and budget behind it has a worse main plot than ME2.

Star Ocean: The Last Hope comes to mind. Also Last Remnant. And Infinite Undiscovery. Final Fantasy X-2. To name a handful.

FF8.  MGS4's plot is a total mess, fun as it is to play. Metroid Other M.

[Guldhun2]

I'm starting to see a patern here.




Japan what have you done?

[littlezack]

didymos1120 wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Guldhun2 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
If you or Smuddy think that ME2 has a bad plot on the full scale of video games... you've missed some real howlers.  On the grand scale of holywood movies, ME2 would still be a somewhat better than average plot. 

Ok i'll bite, which video game with such a large team and budget behind it has a worse main plot than ME2.

Star Ocean: The Last Hope comes to mind. Also Last Remnant. And Infinite Undiscovery. Final Fantasy X-2. To name a handful.

FF8.  MGS4's plot is a total mess, fun as it is to play. Metroid Other M.

Honestly, FFX's plot was a waste, too. And I say this as someone who actually like the game quite a bit.

Oh! And the Fable games. I love them, but plot was never their strong suit. Especially 2.

[Guldhun2]

littlezack wrote...

Oh! And the Fable games. I love them, but plot was never their strong suit. Especially 2.

Actually, the main plot of Fable 3 was pretty good. At least for me.

[littlezack]

Guldhun2 wrote...

I'm starting to see a patern here.




Japan what have you done?

I could name some pretty awesome JRPGs, too. Wild Arms 4 is probably one of my favorite games of all time, and Lost Odyssey is a triumph of fine storytelling, in my book. And call it blasphemy, but I didn't care too much for Oblivion or Fallout 3's plots, either.

[littlezack]

Guldhun2 wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Oh! And the Fable games. I love them, but plot was never their strong suit. Especially 2.

Actually, the main plot of Fable 3 was pretty good. At least for me.

I liked it to the halfway point. I think they should have just focused on spreading that out for the whole game and give it more weight.

[TuringPoint]

I think CoD: Black Ops has a far worse plot than ME2. I got maybe halfway through, if that, and realized it was never going to get better.

I had the impression the plot was the whole point of the game, and a bunch of people hyped it up for the storyline.  Boy was I disappointed.

Smudboy's ranting about ME2's plot would pale in comparison to how much I could rant about Black Ops' plot.  I don't feel it's even worth talking about though.

Modifié par Alocormin, 04 septembre 2011 - 11:51 .

[Nashiktal]

The king stage had so much potential too....

[Gorosaur]

Guldhun2 wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Oh! And the Fable games. I love them, but plot was never their strong suit. Especially 2.

Actually, the main plot of Fable 3 was pretty good. At least for me.

I could say the same thing about Mass Effect 2, and I think you'd have some harsh comments for me.