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[Someone With Mass]

Nashiktal wrote...

Probably, I wasn't bothered so much by not being walked through every room and what they did, but the traitor thing still does. (What was his name again? Jenkins?) That should not have been told through DLC, it should have been resolved in the story. As it is, it is just another reason for me to find the intro stages of the game confusing.

Blame Miranda on that one. She's the idiot who shot him. In the throat.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Probably, I wasn't bothered so much by not being walked through every room and what they did, but the traitor thing still does. (What was his name again? Jenkins?) That should not have been told through DLC, it should have been resolved in the story. As it is, it is just another reason for me to find the intro stages of the game confusing.

First we are killed out of the blue (well, if you were away from the internet anyways), then we are revived from death out of the blue, then we are attacked in a station by... security mechs for some reason, and then we find out its because jenkins turned traitor...

We get a few vague hints, like jenkins doesn't like miranda and that he might want more money. (I say might because it felt more wistful about the amount being spent than anything else) I suspect the jenkins thing was more to follow the tradition of losing a soldier named jenkins in the intro stages rather than anything serious.

Although come to think of it, it would have been cool if each room we passed through (well the ones that seemed important at least) had an audio log that detailed what went on in said room, instead of the vague journal entries left by Miranda. That would kill two birds with one stone. We would get a little more detail on the Lazarus project like what shep actually is now, and it could give us a better picture on the size and scale of both the station and the people on it. Just a little bonus to makes things less confusing you know?

Wilson.Is it ever actually revealed how Miranda finds out he is a traitor?

Miranda states after she killed him that she found out that Wilson was the one who sent the mechs to kill her. 

Later Miranda states that she is very good at reading people and being able to deduce their motivations even from brief encounters.

In other words: she probably suspected that Wilson was going to betray her, the Lazarus Project ,and Cerberus at some point.

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 05 septembre 2011 - 03:35 .

[Fixers0]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Wilson.Is it ever actually revealed how Miranda finds out he is a traitor?

Nope, i don't think it's even plot convienance at this point, it's just Bioware being lazy when trying to establish characters.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Given the situation in the Lazarus Station opener, I can see why Shep didn't stop to search every room. It was a bit of a crock, however, that Shep had no chance to save anyone else and you were forced to watch them die through windows that can evidently stop rounds that go right through heavy mech armor.

On the other hand, Shep is Shep, and could probably have saved the station and tossed any perceived need to abandon the station and any possible survivors. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 05 septembre 2011 - 03:42 .

[Nashiktal]

Even missiles apparently. Although that might have been because the body stopped it. (But the body didn't move?) Actually the cerberus personnel dying in general was terrible. Bad animations (in fact you barely see anyone moving the entire game, I think we know why now), eveything proof glass, and there were so few of them.

[Whatever42]

Fixers0 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Wilson.Is it ever actually revealed how Miranda finds out he is a traitor?

Nope, i don't think it's even plot convienance at this point, it's just Bioware being lazy when trying to establish characters.

Yes, because detailed exposition about Wilson being upset at his lack of recognition would have really furthered the plot. The log entries that you listen to explain that Wilson felt slighted and wanted more money. I'm not sure how much more dicussion we really needed on that point.

[Nashiktal]

Detailed exposition? No. But it feels rather pointless to throw a traitor in their without knowing why he turned traitor. If not knowing why, then who he worked for. If not who he worked for, than at least why he wanted to kill shep, you know they guy he worked two years and twelve days to patch together.

It just feels silly, if they wanted to make miranda feel ruthless they could have done so with far less work.

[Fixers0]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

The log entries that you listen to explain that Wilson felt slighted and wanted more money. I'm not sure how much more dicussion we really needed on that point.

Did they now? So all because he wanted more money, he put his own life in danger.  those logs are optional by the way,

[Someone With Mass]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
Yes, because detailed exposition about Wilson being upset at his lack of recognition would have really furthered the plot. The log entries that you listen to explain that Wilson felt slighted and wanted more money. I'm not sure how much more dicussion we really needed on that point.

Never recognized as the genius he is made him mad?

...

Well, people have had worse reasons to go nuts.

The only thing I thought was bad about that scene was that I couldn't take him with me and question him later. Too dangerous? How about I let Shepard sit in front of him with a pistol pointed at him during the trip and if he as much as twitches his fingers, I'll paint the inside of the shuttle brain-matter grey?

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Wilson.Is it ever actually revealed how Miranda finds out he is a traitor?

Nope, i don't think it's even plot convienance at this point, it's just Bioware being lazy when trying to establish characters.

Yes, because detailed exposition about Wilson being upset at his lack of recognition would have really furthered the plot. The log entries that you listen to explain that Wilson felt slighted and wanted more money. I'm not sure how much more dicussion we really needed on that point.

Some people want to know everything about every little pointless thing.

I don't care about Wilson because in the overall plot he's unimportant. Bioware states that he wanted more money and felt slighted. That is ALL we need to know about him.

As to the person he sold The Lazarus Project and Shepard out to it was the Shadow Broker. If Smudboy and anyone one else here had ever bothered to read the Mass Effect: Redemption comic book series you have would have already known that.

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 05 septembre 2011 - 04:06 .

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Fixers0 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

The log entries that you listen to explain that Wilson felt slighted and wanted more money. I'm not sure how much more dicussion we really needed on that point.

Did they now? So all because he wanted more money, he put his own life in danger.  those logs are optional by the way,

It's not like they're hard to find either.  

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...
Did they now? So all because he wanted more money, he put his own life in danger.  those logs are optional by the way,

You know who else betrayed Cerberus for money/other riches? Pel in Ascension. The quarian Golo even tried to sell some of his own people to get rewards from the Collectors.

Some people can be pretty dedicated to do whatever it takes when it's about money.

[Nashiktal]

True, but only one log entry mentions money if I remember correctly, and even then he sounds more wistful than anything.

Edit: Most of the logs are not hard to find, but there was one I consistantly missed in multiple playthroughs. Its the one in the same room with the man who calls out sheps name before being killed.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 05 septembre 2011 - 04:04 .

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Nashiktal wrote...

True, but only one log entry mentions money if I remember correctly, and even then he sounds more wistful than anything.

Edit: Most of the logs are not hard to find, but there was one I consistantly missed in multiple playthroughs. Its the one in the same room with the man who calls out sheps name before being killed.

He didn't sound wistful to me. He sounded greedy.

[dreman9999]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Probably, I wasn't bothered so much by not being walked through every room and what they did, but the traitor thing still does. (What was his name again? Jenkins?) That should not have been told through DLC, it should have been resolved in the story. As it is, it is just another reason for me to find the intro stages of the game confusing.

First we are killed out of the blue (well, if you were away from the internet anyways), then we are revived from death out of the blue, then we are attacked in a station by... security mechs for some reason, and then we find out its because jenkins turned traitor...

We get a few vague hints, like jenkins doesn't like miranda and that he might want more money. (I say might because it felt more wistful about the amount being spent than anything else) I suspect the jenkins thing was more to follow the tradition of losing a soldier named jenkins in the intro stages rather than anything serious.

Although come to think of it, it would have been cool if each room we passed through (well the ones that seemed important at least) had an audio log that detailed what went on in said room, instead of the vague journal entries left by Miranda. That would kill two birds with one stone. We would get a little more detail on the Lazarus project like what shep actually is now, and it could give us a better picture on the size and scale of both the station and the people on it. Just a little bonus to makes things less confusing you know?

Wilson.Is it ever actually revealed how Miranda finds out he is a traitor?

She say she saw him override the mechs to attack.

[Sgt Stryker]

Fixers0 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

The log entries that you listen to explain that Wilson felt slighted and wanted more money. I'm not sure how much more dicussion we really needed on that point.

Did they now? So all because he wanted more money, he put his own life in danger.  those logs are optional by the way,

So what if they're optional? Reading the Codex is optional. Clicking the "Investigate" option on the dialogue wheel is also optional. Doesn't mean there is an unwritten rule that you can't put important information in these options.

Of course, Wilson is about as important in ME2 as that one stormtrooper that said "Look sir, droids!" in A New Hope.

[Whatever42]

Someone With Mass wrote...

The only thing I thought was bad about that scene was that I couldn't take him with me and question him later. Too dangerous? How about I let Shepard sit in front of him with a pistol pointed at him during the trip and if he as much as twitches his fingers, I'll paint the inside of the shuttle brain-matter grey?

Yeah, but if they did that then they would have to make it a real plot point or it would be worthless exposition that dragged down the pacing.

And if they did that with every character then we'd be playing game of thrones, not ME2. Not that I don't love game of thrones, but  this isn't a political conspiracy drama.

[Someone With Mass]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Yeah, but if they did that then they would have to make it a real plot point or it would be worthless exposition that dragged down the pacing.

And if they did that with every character then we'd be playing game of thrones, not ME2. Not that I don't love game of thrones, but  this isn't a political conspiracy drama.

Still, it was pretty stupid to just shoot him.

[Nashiktal]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

The log entries that you listen to explain that Wilson felt slighted and wanted more money. I'm not sure how much more dicussion we really needed on that point.

Did they now? So all because he wanted more money, he put his own life in danger.  those logs are optional by the way,

So what if they're optional? Reading the Codex is optional. Clicking the "Investigate" option on the dialogue wheel is also optional. Doesn't mean there is an unwritten rule that you can't put important information in these options.

Of course, Wilson is about as important in ME2 as that one stormtrooper that said "Look sir, droids!" in A New Hope.

Wilson co-revived you with Miranda, and was there when you first awoke in the station. He is just a tad more important than the stormtrooper you mentioned. He also apparently can hack an entire stations worth of mechs.

[In Exile]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Given the situation in the Lazarus Station opener, I can see why Shep didn't stop to search every room. It was a bit of a crock, however, that Shep had no chance to save anyone else and you were forced to watch them die through windows that can evidently stop rounds that go right through heavy mech armor.

On the other hand, Shep is Shep, and could probably have saved the station and tossed any perceived need to abandon the station and any possible survivors. 

The whole base had really slow moving mechs that explode with 1-2 headshot. Shep could have just cleared the base himself, and if Jacob and Miranda objected, just shot both of them to boot. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Miranda killing Wilson on sight was one of the less good moments of ME2.

Shep even gets to say so.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 05 septembre 2011 - 04:31 .

[Nashiktal]

Then again there was that one huge mech we never got to see in the station. Not that important, but yeah.

[Someone With Mass]

Nashiktal wrote...

Wilson co-revived you with Miranda, and was there when you first awoke in the station. He is just a tad more important than the stormtrooper you mentioned. He also apparently can hack an entire stations worth of mechs.

So much for security if ONE guy can reprogram hundreds of mechs by himself.

[Sgt Stryker]

Nashiktal wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

The log entries that you listen to explain that Wilson felt slighted and wanted more money. I'm not sure how much more dicussion we really needed on that point.

Did they now? So all because he wanted more money, he put his own life in danger.  those logs are optional by the way,

So what if they're optional? Reading the Codex is optional. Clicking the "Investigate" option on the dialogue wheel is also optional. Doesn't mean there is an unwritten rule that you can't put important information in these options.

Of course, Wilson is about as important in ME2 as that one stormtrooper that said "Look sir, droids!" in A New Hope.

Wilson co-revived you with Miranda, and was there when you first awoke in the station. He is just a tad more important than the stormtrooper you mentioned. He also apparently can hack an entire stations worth of mechs.

Okay then, he's about as important as Uncle Owen. He's there at the beginning, has a few minutes of screentime, and is promptly killed off.

[Nashiktal]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Wilson co-revived you with Miranda, and was there when you first awoke in the station. He is just a tad more important than the stormtrooper you mentioned. He also apparently can hack an entire stations worth of mechs.

So much for security if ONE guy can reprogram hundreds of mechs by himself.

*stares expectantly at Jacob.*

Bonus points for wilson being a bio techy with overload.