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[Someone With Mass]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Then don't post. Its not that hard.

As if I'm the only one.

The rule in this thread seem to be: "Kiss ass or GTFO", which is not how public threads work. 

[Notlikeyoucare]

111987 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I tend to this that Biowares writing has become "lazy" because they have realised they don't have to put mutch effort into it.

After all the fanboys will suck on Biowares Banana no matter what they put out and the "Not so fanboish" will just think "Oh it's just a computer game" or "It's just sci-fi it doesn't need cohesive plot or narrative" and the rest are just fine with "Oh shiny ..oh explosions this game rocks!!".

Who wants to labor hard to actually make something good when mediocrity is perfectly acceptable?

Yeah, Bioware is so lazy...all those thousands of lines od dialogue proves it!

Come on, seriously? To call the writers lazy is just ridiculous, there is so much detail written into the game and the Codex. Sure, some parts and sections of writing weren't great or up to everyone's very high standards, but lazy?

Maybe you just don't realize how much work they put into this game...

Not much obviously. I'm still scratching my head as to how they thought that mess of an opening scene was appropriate. I've seen children suggest better. Beyond the major problems with the story are the inconsistentcies with the writing, visuals, and audio of which there are many, that add up to a large immersion breaker in the universe. Which is a problem I had with ME 1 as well.

[111987]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

111987 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I tend to this that Biowares writing has become "lazy" because they have realised they don't have to put mutch effort into it.

After all the fanboys will suck on Biowares Banana no matter what they put out and the "Not so fanboish" will just think "Oh it's just a computer game" or "It's just sci-fi it doesn't need cohesive plot or narrative" and the rest are just fine with "Oh shiny ..oh explosions this game rocks!!".

Who wants to labor hard to actually make something good when mediocrity is perfectly acceptable?

Yeah, Bioware is so lazy...all those thousands of lines od dialogue proves it!

Come on, seriously? To call the writers lazy is just ridiculous, there is so much detail written into the game and the Codex. Sure, some parts and sections of writing weren't great or up to everyone's very high standards, but lazy?

Maybe you just don't realize how much work they put into this game...

Not much obviously. I'm still scratching my head as to how they thought that mess of an opening scene was appropriate. I've seen children suggest better. Beyond the major problems with the story are the inconsistentcies with the writing, visuals, and audio of which there are many, that add up to a large immersion breaker in the universe. Which is a problem I had with ME 1 as well.

Like I said, if you think 30,000 + lines of dialogue is lazy, then you have unreasonably high expecations. And apart from a few cases, like the intro, ending, and VS, no other bad dialogue really stands out. Sure there will be a few isolated cases (like Jacob's 'The priiiiiize') but it's mostly pretty solid stuff.

[dreman9999]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You guy are still argueing. And of all thing about plotholes still. Did we are prover their are no ploholes in ME2 outside of Jacobs loyalty quest?

No you haven't and you never will. Because plotholes do infact exist.

One plot hole exist. One. And in this topic all the other stated plotholes have been accounted for. I mean what other plotholes are their outside jacobs loyalty quest?(And don't say Shepard reserection because we already talked about it death to a point of stating it just something that will be explained later.)P

[Fixers0]

dreman9999 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You guy are still argueing. And of all thing about plotholes still. Did we are prover their are no ploholes in ME2 outside of Jacobs loyalty quest?

No you haven't and you never will. Because plotholes do infact exist.

One plot hole exist. One. And in this topic all the other stated plotholes have been accounted for. I mean what other plotholes are their outside jacobs loyalty quest?(And don't say Shepard reserection because we already talked about it death to a point of stating it just something that will be explained later.)P

Wan't plotholes

TIM and Shepard's ''plan''

Collector's ''plan''

Here you got the whole main narative.

[Someone With Mass]

111987 wrote...

Yeah, Bioware is so lazy...all those thousands of lines od dialogue proves it!

Come on, seriously? To call the writers lazy is just ridiculous, there is so much detail written into the game and the Codex. Sure, some parts and sections of writing weren't great or up to everyone's very high standards, but lazy?

Maybe you just don't realize how much work they put into this game...

I think it's because people fail to grasp how it's done.

It's not just one writer. They had like eight or so the last time I checked, and they all have different areas to cover.

Miscommunications between these writers can happen, but that doesn't make them lazy or bad because I really doubt they're the only ones to make some mistakes.

Not to mention that the game had several different versions before they pick one to stick with.

One of them included the player controlling Legion while helping Liara find Shepard's body.

It's not like they have one piece right from the start they can base the whole game on.

[Notlikeyoucare]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Then don't post. Its not that hard.

As if I'm the only one.

The rule in this thread seem to be: "Kiss ass or GTFO", which is not how public threads work. 

It is perfectly acceptable to disagree with his arguments and to post that you do. But don't start saying that he is in the wrong and make up excuses as to why you shouldn't justify yourself.

[dreman9999]

Fixers0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You guy are still argueing. And of all thing about plotholes still. Did we are prover their are no ploholes in ME2 outside of Jacobs loyalty quest?

No you haven't and you never will. Because plotholes do infact exist.

One plot hole exist. One. And in this topic all the other stated plotholes have been accounted for. I mean what other plotholes are their outside jacobs loyalty quest?(And don't say Shepard reserection because we already talked about it death to a point of stating it just something that will be explained later.)P

Wan't plotholes

TIM and Shepard's ''plan''

Collector's ''plan''

Here you got the whole main narative.

Clearafy, and saying everything is a plothole is missguided and lazy.

[Notlikeyoucare]

Someone With Mass wrote...

111987 wrote...

Yeah, Bioware is so lazy...all those thousands of lines od dialogue proves it!

Come on, seriously? To call the writers lazy is just ridiculous, there is so much detail written into the game and the Codex. Sure, some parts and sections of writing weren't great or up to everyone's very high standards, but lazy?

Maybe you just don't realize how much work they put into this game...

I think it's because people fail to grasp how it's done.

It's not just one writer. They had like eight or so the last time I checked, and they all have different areas to cover.

Miscommunications between these writers can happen, but that doesn't make them lazy or bad because I really doubt they're the only ones to make some mistakes.

Not to mention that the game had several different versions before they pick one to stick with.

One of them included the player controlling Legion while helping Liara find Shepard's body.

It's not like they have one piece right from the start they can base the whole game on.

Its not just the job of a writer to craft a story, it is everyone involved with the project. Everything that is presented, writing, visuals, audio, must be done so cohesively, clearly, and consise, since these are all elements that impact a story.

[Anacronian Stryx]

111987 wrote...


Yeah, Bioware is so lazy...all those thousands of lines od dialogue proves it!

Come on, seriously? To call the writers lazy is just ridiculous, there is so much detail written into the game and the Codex. Sure, some parts and sections of writing weren't great or up to everyone's very high standards, but lazy?

Maybe you just don't realize how much work they put into this game...

Hack writers can spur out thousands of pages and still be considered lazy,I t's not the number of words or pages that counts.
 
You are considered lazy when you don't invest any thought or feelings into the material you're producing.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 06 septembre 2011 - 06:08 .

[Notlikeyoucare]

111987 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

111987 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I tend to this that Biowares writing has become "lazy" because they have realised they don't have to put mutch effort into it.

After all the fanboys will suck on Biowares Banana no matter what they put out and the "Not so fanboish" will just think "Oh it's just a computer game" or "It's just sci-fi it doesn't need cohesive plot or narrative" and the rest are just fine with "Oh shiny ..oh explosions this game rocks!!".

Who wants to labor hard to actually make something good when mediocrity is perfectly acceptable?

Yeah, Bioware is so lazy...all those thousands of lines od dialogue proves it!

Come on, seriously? To call the writers lazy is just ridiculous, there is so much detail written into the game and the Codex. Sure, some parts and sections of writing weren't great or up to everyone's very high standards, but lazy?

Maybe you just don't realize how much work they put into this game...

Not much obviously. I'm still scratching my head as to how they thought that mess of an opening scene was appropriate. I've seen children suggest better. Beyond the major problems with the story are the inconsistentcies with the writing, visuals, and audio of which there are many, that add up to a large immersion breaker in the universe. Which is a problem I had with ME 1 as well.

Like I said, if you think 30,000 + lines of dialogue is lazy, then you have unreasonably high expecations. And apart from a few cases, like the intro, ending, and VS, no other bad dialogue really stands out. Sure there will be a few isolated cases (like Jacob's 'The priiiiiize') but it's mostly pretty solid stuff.

It isn't just the dialouge, its the story in its entirity and how it is presented. 30,000 lines of dialouge mean nothing if the writers can't take their time to turn these words into a worthwhile story.

[Notlikeyoucare]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

111987 wrote...


Yeah, Bioware is so lazy...all those thousands of lines od dialogue proves it!

Come on, seriously? To call the writers lazy is just ridiculous, there is so much detail written into the game and the Codex. Sure, some parts and sections of writing weren't great or up to everyone's very high standards, but lazy?

Maybe you just don't realize how much work they put into this game...

Hack writers can spur out thousands of pages and still be considered lazy,I t's not the number of words or pages that counts.
 
You are considered lazy when you don't invest any thought or feelings into the material you're producing.

That.

[Fixers0]

dreman9999 wrote...

Clearafy, and saying everything is a plothole is missguided and lazy.

Both, consist out of the most convoluted logic, both of them should have been impossible to achieve, both resolve in the most  contrived unrealistic manner and lastly both relay on the power plot  to advance.

Those are the baselines
but feel free to watch it all here.

1 www.youtube.com/watch from about 03:00

2www.youtube.com/watch right from the start

[Killjoy Cutter]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

iakus wrote...

I am not saying his arguements are always good.  Even though I agree with most of his conclusions,  I actually also agree that he gets caught up in minutia and at times is overly, let's just say 'blunt" and leave it at that.  

But what I am saying is that while one can say "I don't agree with his assessment" or "His thinking is flawed because..."  It is invalid to say "He's wrong and I didn't even bother to listen to his arguements anyway"

I read his statements while he was here. 

I don't need to listen to more of the same crap to know what he's all about.

All aboard the Bias train! Next stop - Assumption Land and Ignoranceville!

What part do you not understand about someone getting tired of watching Smuggy be a pompous assclown towards everyone around him, while hammering his halfbaked opinions and hollow "analysis" as if they were fact, while ignoring anything inconvenient to his "point"? 

I've read and listened to Smuggy's crap enough to know that it's not worth bothering with any more of it.   After all these years, I know more than enough about what Dennis Kucinich and Glenn Beck are about that I don't need to waste my time listening to their crap every day, either.  Smuggy is only "discussing" Mass Effect, so what makes you think I'm going to waste my time on yet more of the same tired BS from him? 

Smuggy and his ilk say something like "This was a flaw in Mass Effect 2's story, because of the following..." 

Someone says "Well, actually, those issues were addressed here, here, here, and here in the game". 

Smuggy and his ilk say "Wow, what a drooling moronic fanboy!" and completely ignore whatever was pointed out that conflicted with the original criticism.

You yourself claim you didn't "listen to his crapm because it's the same old"
Then you attack him based on the things he said in the video..the very video that you didn't pay attention to.

Ignorance - you don't know what is in the video, you ASSUME. You talk not from facts, but your own immagination.
You don't like the man, so you process everything he sez in a negative light.

His main points were never adressed. His main arguments never properly coutnered.
His criticism is CORRECT and BACKED UP BY FACT.

You on the other hand, are a poster boy for everything that's wrong with internet.

What did I attack that he said in the video?   Really, I have no idea, because I haven't watch it, and I won't watch it, any more than I'll watch Jersey Shore -- no one needs more than the five minutes I saw of that show to know it's hollow worthless crap, and no one should need more than what Smuddy posted here to tell that he's a snide, arrogant, abusive tool, and that his "criticism" is based not on accuracy, but purely on what's convenient for the most scathing attack possible, and the biggest "lolz" possible. 

If was something brought up here, I responded to it here, not from watching his video.  I haven't watched it, and I'm not going to bother -- any more than I'm going to stick my hand on a red-hot stovetop every once in a while just to make sure that red-hot stovetops will still burn my hand.
 
My statements about his approach and character are based on his posts here before he was banned for continuously being a jackass towards other posters. 

His track record, and the track record of most of his fanboys, is to latch onto a partial set of facts that make for a convenient criticism, hammer it while going for the lolz, and then ignore anything that would negate that criticism.  They're engaged in something like attack politics.  It's the height of irony that you'd call anyone "everything that's wrong with the internet" in defense of Smudboy. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 06 septembre 2011 - 06:26 .

[dreman9999]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

111987 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

111987 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I tend to this that Biowares writing has become "lazy" because they have realised they don't have to put mutch effort into it.

After all the fanboys will suck on Biowares Banana no matter what they put out and the "Not so fanboish" will just think "Oh it's just a computer game" or "It's just sci-fi it doesn't need cohesive plot or narrative" and the rest are just fine with "Oh shiny ..oh explosions this game rocks!!".

Who wants to labor hard to actually make something good when mediocrity is perfectly acceptable?

Yeah, Bioware is so lazy...all those thousands of lines od dialogue proves it!

Come on, seriously? To call the writers lazy is just ridiculous, there is so much detail written into the game and the Codex. Sure, some parts and sections of writing weren't great or up to everyone's very high standards, but lazy?

Maybe you just don't realize how much work they put into this game...

Not much obviously. I'm still scratching my head as to how they thought that mess of an opening scene was appropriate. I've seen children suggest better. Beyond the major problems with the story are the inconsistentcies with the writing, visuals, and audio of which there are many, that add up to a large immersion breaker in the universe. Which is a problem I had with ME 1 as well.

Like I said, if you think 30,000 + lines of dialogue is lazy, then you have unreasonably high expecations. And apart from a few cases, like the intro, ending, and VS, no other bad dialogue really stands out. Sure there will be a few isolated cases (like Jacob's 'The priiiiiize') but it's mostly pretty solid stuff.

It isn't just the dialouge, its the story in its entirity and how it is presented. 30,000 lines of dialouge mean nothing if the writers can't take their time to turn these words into a worthwhile story.

But just because you don't like what written does not mean it's good.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
You on the other hand, are a poster boy for everything that's wrong with internet.

What did I attack that he said in the video?   Really, I have no idea, because I haven't watch it, and I won't watch it, any more than I'll watch Jersey Shore -- no one needs more than the five minutes I saw of that show to know it's hollow worthless crap, and no one should need more than what Smuddy posted here to tell that he's a snide, arrogant, abusive tool, and that his "criticism" is based not on accuracy, but purely on what's convenient for the most scathing attack possible, and the biggest "lolz" possible. 

And the underlined is the point.
You talk about things you know nothing about. Jumping to conclusiosn, massive levels of overreacting and butthurt, inability to distance oneself - all are what's wrong with internet, and you're displaying all of it.

Your every post is a fusilade of insults and bile directed at Smud. Even if he was the biggest douche in the world, that does not paint you in a good light. It reveals your bias and hate, which in turns makes everything you say suspect at best.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 06 septembre 2011 - 06:40 .

[Notlikeyoucare]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

iakus wrote...

I am not saying his arguements are always good.  Even though I agree with most of his conclusions,  I actually also agree that he gets caught up in minutia and at times is overly, let's just say 'blunt" and leave it at that.  

But what I am saying is that while one can say "I don't agree with his assessment" or "His thinking is flawed because..."  It is invalid to say "He's wrong and I didn't even bother to listen to his arguements anyway"

I read his statements while he was here. 

I don't need to listen to more of the same crap to know what he's all about.

All aboard the Bias train! Next stop - Assumption Land and Ignoranceville!

What part do you not understand about someone getting tired of watching Smuggy be a pompous assclown towards everyone around him, while hammering his halfbaked opinions and hollow "analysis" as if they were fact, while ignoring anything inconvenient to his "point"? 

I've read and listened to Smuggy's crap enough to know that it's not worth bothering with any more of it.   After all these years, I know more than enough about what Dennis Kucinich and Glenn Beck are about that I don't need to waste my time listening to their crap every day, either.  Smuggy is only "discussing" Mass Effect, so what makes you think I'm going to waste my time on yet more of the same tired BS from him? 

Smuggy and his ilk say something like "This was a flaw in Mass Effect 2's story, because of the following..." 

Someone says "Well, actually, those issues were addressed here, here, here, and here in the game". 

Smuggy and his ilk say "Wow, what a drooling moronic fanboy!" and completely ignore whatever was pointed out that conflicted with the original criticism.

You yourself claim you didn't "listen to his crapm because it's the same old"
Then you attack him based on the things he said in the video..the very video that you didn't pay attention to.

Ignorance - you don't know what is in the video, you ASSUME. You talk not from facts, but your own immagination.
You don't like the man, so you process everything he sez in a negative light.

His main points were never adressed. His main arguments never properly coutnered.
His criticism is CORRECT and BACKED UP BY FACT.

You on the other hand, are a poster boy for everything that's wrong with internet.

What did I attack that he said in the video?   Really, I have no idea, because I haven't watch it, and I won't watch it, any more than I'll watch Jersey Shore -- no one needs more than the five minutes I saw of that show to know it's hollow worthless crap, and no one should need more than what Smuddy posted here to tell that he's a snide, arrogant, abusive tool, and that his "criticism" is based not on accuracy, but purely on what's convenient for the most scathing attack possible, and the biggest "lolz" possible. 

If was something brought up here, I responded to it here, not from watching his video.  I haven't watched it, and I'm not going to bother -- any more than I'm going to stick my hand on a red-hot stovetop every once in a while just to make sure that red-hot stovetops will still burn my hand.
 
My statements about his approach and character are based on his posts here before he was banned for continuously being a jackass towards other posters. 

His track record, and the track record of most of his fanboys, is to latch onto a partial set of facts that make for a convenient criticism, hammer it while going for the lolz, and then ignore anything that would negate that criticism.  They're engaged in something like attack politics.  It's the height of irony that you'd call anyone "everything that's wrong with the internet" in defense of Smudboy. 

And you're making the mistake of anyone who has similar critisisms as Smudboy or speaks in defense of Smudboy as his fanboys. By your same logic, I could call anyone who defends ME 2's story by similar manner a Bioware fanboy. I have repeatedly stated that I do not agree with everything Smudboy says.

Smudboy was never a ****** to anyone who was polite towards him, it was the constant "you're an idiot!" or " go die!" that led to him biting back. If we didn't think we were right, why wouldn't we defend our arguments? Smudboy has nothing against peeople having an opinion that isn't his. You're insinuation that he defends arguments with a post-mordernist mindset is simply laughable Stop spewing hyperbole.

If you don't want to watch the videos, fine. Just don't bother posting if you have nothing of value to add to the discussion, other than your baseless assertions of what kind of person Smudboy is.

[Notlikeyoucare]

dreman9999 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

111987 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

111987 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I tend to this that Biowares writing has become "lazy" because they have realised they don't have to put mutch effort into it.

After all the fanboys will suck on Biowares Banana no matter what they put out and the "Not so fanboish" will just think "Oh it's just a computer game" or "It's just sci-fi it doesn't need cohesive plot or narrative" and the rest are just fine with "Oh shiny ..oh explosions this game rocks!!".

Who wants to labor hard to actually make something good when mediocrity is perfectly acceptable?

Yeah, Bioware is so lazy...all those thousands of lines od dialogue proves it!

Come on, seriously? To call the writers lazy is just ridiculous, there is so much detail written into the game and the Codex. Sure, some parts and sections of writing weren't great or up to everyone's very high standards, but lazy?

Maybe you just don't realize how much work they put into this game...

Not much obviously. I'm still scratching my head as to how they thought that mess of an opening scene was appropriate. I've seen children suggest better. Beyond the major problems with the story are the inconsistentcies with the writing, visuals, and audio of which there are many, that add up to a large immersion breaker in the universe. Which is a problem I had with ME 1 as well.

Like I said, if you think 30,000 + lines of dialogue is lazy, then you have unreasonably high expecations. And apart from a few cases, like the intro, ending, and VS, no other bad dialogue really stands out. Sure there will be a few isolated cases (like Jacob's 'The priiiiiize') but it's mostly pretty solid stuff.

It isn't just the dialouge, its the story in its entirity and how it is presented. 30,000 lines of dialouge mean nothing if the writers can't take their time to turn these words into a worthwhile story.

But just because you like what written does not mean it's good.

Fixed.

[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...
One plot hole exist. One. And in this topic all the other stated plotholes have been accounted for. I mean what other plotholes are their outside jacobs loyalty quest?(And don't say Shepard reserection because we already talked about it death to a point of stating it just something that will be explained later.)P

No.

[dreman9999]

Fixers0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Clearafy, and saying everything is a plothole is missguided and lazy.

Both, consist out of the most convoluted logic, both of them should have been impossible to achieve, both resolve in the most  contrived unrealistic manner and lastly both relay on the power plot  to advance.

Those are the baselines
but feel free to watch it all here.

1 www.youtube.com/watch from about 03:00

2www.youtube.com/watch right from the start

1. I descussed this already. The collecor are extremly isolated, so isolated at any normal attempt to their base of location end with falure and death. Theirs a reason why the work throw the omega 4 relay that only operates with a certin IFF, because they don't what any onr to learn about them. And it not like the cast did not try. horizon and the collector ship missions where about finding out more about their enemy. The point Smudboy forget to mention this shows how much he doesn't understand the plot.
As for intell that he's speaking of, remember you facing an enemy with teck so powerful they can sense the most advance stealth ship. Any thing that goes through the relay is sence by the collectors and any amount of probing after getting the iff,(you have to get that first before sending probes because you won't get to the right place with out it.) will tell the collector you about to attack. Every probe you seen will tell the collectors where you ship is going to arrive which will allow for a surpise attack to be planned for your arrival.
Not a plot hole, just him not understand the plot and characters again.And I already stated thisin this topic already.

2.You do realize that's an analysis before the arrival dlc. It just points out that we didn't know the full detail of the reapers plan at the time. For one, their goal is earth and two, the reapers are on their way to the alpha relay. They using many plans now. Heck, the arrival can be played before the final suicide mission, which would mean in some peoples play through the reapers are already in the galexy. And even then as of what we know of ME3, they hit earth first, so their goal was always earth from ME2.
So why link me to something that outdated and lacking new infromation?
This is not a plot hole ether.

Modifié par dreman9999, 06 septembre 2011 - 06:58 .

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
One plot hole exist. One. And in this topic all the other stated plotholes have been accounted for. I mean what other plotholes are their outside jacobs loyalty quest?(And don't say Shepard reserection because we already talked about it death to a point of stating it just something that will be explained later.)P

No.

And the reason you don't post any plotholes are?

[dreman9999]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

111987 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

111987 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I tend to this that Biowares writing has become "lazy" because they have realised they don't have to put mutch effort into it.

After all the fanboys will suck on Biowares Banana no matter what they put out and the "Not so fanboish" will just think "Oh it's just a computer game" or "It's just sci-fi it doesn't need cohesive plot or narrative" and the rest are just fine with "Oh shiny ..oh explosions this game rocks!!".

Who wants to labor hard to actually make something good when mediocrity is perfectly acceptable?

Yeah, Bioware is so lazy...all those thousands of lines od dialogue proves it!

Come on, seriously? To call the writers lazy is just ridiculous, there is so much detail written into the game and the Codex. Sure, some parts and sections of writing weren't great or up to everyone's very high standards, but lazy?

Maybe you just don't realize how much work they put into this game...

Not much obviously. I'm still scratching my head as to how they thought that mess of an opening scene was appropriate. I've seen children suggest better. Beyond the major problems with the story are the inconsistentcies with the writing, visuals, and audio of which there are many, that add up to a large immersion breaker in the universe. Which is a problem I had with ME 1 as well.

Like I said, if you think 30,000 + lines of dialogue is lazy, then you have unreasonably high expecations. And apart from a few cases, like the intro, ending, and VS, no other bad dialogue really stands out. Sure there will be a few isolated cases (like Jacob's 'The priiiiiize') but it's mostly pretty solid stuff.

It isn't just the dialouge, its the story in its entirity and how it is presented. 30,000 lines of dialouge mean nothing if the writers can't take their time to turn these words into a worthwhile story.

But just because you like what written does not mean it's good.

Fixed.

Good, then stop treating you opinion as fact.

[Whatever42]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

111987 wrote...


Yeah, Bioware is so lazy...all those thousands of lines od dialogue proves it!

Come on, seriously? To call the writers lazy is just ridiculous, there is so much detail written into the game and the Codex. Sure, some parts and sections of writing weren't great or up to everyone's very high standards, but lazy?

Maybe you just don't realize how much work they put into this game...

Hack writers can spur out thousands of pages and still be considered lazy,I t's not the number of words or pages that counts.
 
You are considered lazy when you don't invest any thought or feelings into the material you're producing.

That.

Ridiculous. I'll say this... there's certainly no thought or feeling in 90% of this criticism. 

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
One plot hole exist. One. And in this topic all the other stated plotholes have been accounted for. I mean what other plotholes are their outside jacobs loyalty quest?(And don't say Shepard reserection because we already talked about it death to a point of stating it just something that will be explained later.)P

No.

And the reason you don't post any plotholes are?

You dare question the god of logic?

He has hand-waived you,be happy you got that.


Some people...jeez.

[Notlikeyoucare]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

111987 wrote...


Yeah, Bioware is so lazy...all those thousands of lines od dialogue proves it!

Come on, seriously? To call the writers lazy is just ridiculous, there is so much detail written into the game and the Codex. Sure, some parts and sections of writing weren't great or up to everyone's very high standards, but lazy?

Maybe you just don't realize how much work they put into this game...

Hack writers can spur out thousands of pages and still be considered lazy,I t's not the number of words or pages that counts.
 
You are considered lazy when you don't invest any thought or feelings into the material you're producing.

That.

Ridiculous. I'll say this... there's certainly no thought or feeling in 90% of this criticism. 

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

The whole plot and the resulting
retcons all seem like lazyiness on the part of the whole development
team, not just the writers. I mean, it seems as if there was no senese
of unification on the part of the team, due to the audio and visuals not
matching up with what the writing tells us.

The same idea applies when a director and the writers don't sit down together and cohesively construct a scene of a film. .

But thats just my interpretation.