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[Notlikeyoucare]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Which is why they went and got it from the Reaper. And no, if the thing can put up Mass Effect fields to trap us, the Collectors would still see the signal.

Which  begs the question, why did Shep and co even bother getting it if the Collectors would know it isn't one of theirs? Why didn't TIM think that one through?

Contrived Macguffin methinks.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the IFF wasn't plugged in and was waiting for Shepard and his team to pick it up.

Also, if they have never used a Reaper IFF before, then it's a little hard to know what it'll do, don't you think?

But it was plugged in a long time before that until the Cerberus team unplugged it. Agaain, TIM calls it and Idenity Friend Foe system. To be fair, he does say "that the Relays recognise" which is how I don't understand how the Collectors got the signal. Unless TIM didn't know it broadcast when not in use? Which is why they should have found it on the Reaper. Either way, the plothole exists.

[Someone With Mass]

Il Divo wrote...

What is a plot hole is that the Collectors were not already aware of the IFF sitting inside the dead Reaper.

I think even that is a weak plot hole, because if the Reaper was killed instantly by the MAC, I don't think it could've sent out a signal via the IFF at all.

It's like when police/military personnel are shooting people in the head to prevent them from pulling the trigger. No matter how much the bad guy's finger is resting on the trigger, a shot in the head cuts off the electric signals that controls the fingers.

[Fixers0]

Someone With Mass wrote...

What if they came back with the oh, so useful intelligence? I doubt they detected or could get past the Oculi and there's nothing you can do against the debris field except flying around or through it.

Again. sending through probes might give us an insight about what's behind the relay, which is why you are doing this in the first place.

Someone With Mass wrote...
Also, what good will a couple of images of the base do? Tell us that it's there?

Yes, and that we can prepare accordigally.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Brown dwarf blocked the signal from the IFF, Teh Cerbs found the weapon first, then used maths to find the target, not the other way around.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 06 septembre 2011 - 07:36 .

[Il Divo]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Brown dwarf blocked the signal from the IFF, Teh Cerbs found the weapon first, then used maths to find the target, not the other way around.

To be clear, is it ever stated in game (or the codex) how Brown Dwarfs were able to block out the signal? I personally don't remember anything on the topic.

[111987]

Fixers0 wrote...

111987 wrote...


Yes, I suppose I am quick to assume that smashed up pieces of a probe wouldn't yield any useful data...shame on me.

And how do you know that> who says they wer only partinaly damaged or that some of it's databanks remain intact, we don't know, but they did return.

Actually know that i'm talking about it, would't it have been good plot development that if we sent through some probes, and they returned after a while, and by studing the remains we know what kind of damage collector weapon's inflict so we can upgrade the normandy with Heavy armor, you know makes sense.

111987 wrote...
What's your point here?

That you like to imagine things if it helps to enforce you're position, even though it's all based on speculation.

Aren't you the one imagining destroyed probes still being able to give us information? Now THAT is speculation.

Or you know, instead of sending probes back that have about a 0.000001% chance of returning, we could just upgrade our armor anyways...crazy thought huh?

[dreman9999]

Il Divo wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...


Which is why they went and got it from the Reaper. And no, if the thing can put up Mass Effect fields to trap us, the Collectors would still see the signal.

Which  begs the question, why did Shep and co even bother getting it if the Collectors would know it isn't one of theirs? Why didn't TIM think that one through?

Contrived Macguffin methinks.

To address your second line, I think you're misunderstanding how the IFF works. The Omega IV relay doesn't get to selectively choose who survives/does not survive the journey. The IFF is a targeting system, which allows precision-based relay jumps and prevents drift in space. They obtained the IFF because it would allow them to hit the "safe zone" through the relay.

What is a plot hole is that the Collectors were not already aware of the IFF sitting inside the dead Reaper.

Brown dwarf.

Explain, please? 

Brown dwarfs are sub-stellar objects which are too low in mass to sustain hydrogen-1 fusion reactions in their cores, which is characteristic of stars on the main sequence. Brown dwarfs have fully convective surfaces and interiors, with no chemical differentiation by depth. Brown dwarfs occupy the mass range between that of large gas giant planets and the lowest-mass stars; this upper limit is between 75[1] and 80 Jupiter masses (MJ). Currently there is some debate as to what criterion to use to define the separation between a brown dwarf and a giant planet at very low brown dwarf masses (~13 MJ ), and whether brown dwarfs are required to have experienced fusion at some point in their history. In any event, brown dwarfs heavier than 13 MJ do fuse deuterium and those above ~65 MJ also fuse lithium.

Cleaerly with the radiation, heat, and interferance....The reapers were not able to find the dead body. Also, the fact that they knew that if anyone found it, they would never know what the bady was unless they met  a reaper before. Since they normally surpise beings with this info first then inslave them, mostly likely they thought that anyone that found the ship and new what it was would be indocrinated.

[Fixers0]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Brown dwarf blocked the signal from the IFF, Teh Cerbs found the weapon first, then used maths to find the target, not the other way around.

That was the Alliance team who researched klendagon BTW

[Il Divo]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

What is a plot hole is that the Collectors were not already aware of the IFF sitting inside the dead Reaper.

I think even that is a weak plot hole, because if the Reaper was killed instantly by the MAC, I don't think it could've sent out a signal via the IFF at all.

It's like when police/military personnel are shooting people in the head to prevent them from pulling the trigger. No matter how much the bad guy's finger is resting on the trigger, a shot in the head cuts off the electric signals that controls the fingers.

Still, it seems odd that given how the Reaper did have some functionality (the ability to turn on force fields, for example), that it would be unable to transmit a signal at all.

[111987]

Il Divo wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Brown dwarf blocked the signal from the IFF, Teh Cerbs found the weapon first, then used maths to find the target, not the other way around.

To be clear, is it ever stated in game (or the codex) how Brown Dwarfs were able to block out the signal? I personally don't remember anything on the topic.

Wait, who says the signal is blocked? It just wasn't in use...it was only after the Normandy activated the IFF that the Collectors found them. Simply possessing the IFF doesn't allow for it to be tracked.

[Notlikeyoucare]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Brown dwarf blocked the signal from the IFF, Teh Cerbs found the weapon first, then used maths to find the target, not the other way around.

Did I miss something? How was the signal blocked by a brown dwarfe if the Collector base itself is SURROUNDED by exploding stars? WTF use would an IFF have then?

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

Yes, and that we can prepare accordigally.

Oh, that would be really useful.

It's like me giving you this:



And then telling you to prepare yourself based on this image alone.

Incredibly useful, eh?

[Someone With Mass]

Il Divo wrote...
Still, it seems odd that given how the Reaper did have some functionality (the ability to turn on force fields, for example), that it would be unable to transmit a signal at all.

It also indoctrinated people to turn themselves into husks instead of helping it, which makes me think that its mind is not functioning at all, but the body is.

The thing was shot in the head, after all.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 06 septembre 2011 - 07:45 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Il Divo wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Brown dwarf blocked the signal from the IFF, Teh Cerbs found the weapon first, then used maths to find the target, not the other way around.

To be clear, is it ever stated in game (or the codex) how Brown Dwarfs were able to block out the signal? I personally don't remember anything on the topic.

Well...it is kind of a star...also it could have just been off.


Also, to the guy who said why use an IFF, the O4 relay isn't near any of those black holes or suns is it?

No it isn't,it is nice and safe.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 06 septembre 2011 - 07:43 .

[Whatever42]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
Still, it seems odd that given how the Reaper did have some functionality (the ability to turn on force fields, for example), that it would be unable to transmit a signal at all.

It also indioctrinated people to turn themselves into husks instead of helping it, which makes me think that its mind is not functioning at all, but the body is.

The thing was shot in the head, after all.

Since Reapers are a cyborg entity, I suspect the mechancial systems were still working and those systems would be similar to our own automatic functions. So the body was still regulated and the immune system still functioned. There simply wasn't any higher brain functions.

[Fixers0]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Yes, and that we can prepare accordigally.

Oh, that would be really useful.

It's like me giving you this:

(snip)

And then telling you to prepare yourself based on this image alone.

Incredibly useful, eh?

Speculations, oh my speculations.

All i can really futher to is make a long list of if's, which i won't because i need concrete proof or evidence from the game, not your imaginations.

[Whatever42]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Brown dwarf blocked the signal from the IFF, Teh Cerbs found the weapon first, then used maths to find the target, not the other way around.

To be clear, is it ever stated in game (or the codex) how Brown Dwarfs were able to block out the signal? I personally don't remember anything on the topic.

Well...it is kind of a star...also it could have just been off.


Also, to the guy who said why use an IFF, the O4 relay isn't near any of those black holes or suns is it?

No it isn't,it is nice and safe.

It also likely has a range. The galaxy is a huge place. It's unlikely that Reapers would just go circling around some random brown dwarfs in an empty system. 

[Fixers0]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Since Reapers are a cyborg entity, I suspect the mechancial systems were still working and those systems would be similar to our own automatic functions. So the body was still regulated and the immune system still functioned. There simply wasn't any higher brain functions.

Reapers are Cyborg's?


since when Actually?

Modifié par Fixers0, 06 septembre 2011 - 07:44 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Yes, and that we can prepare accordigally.

Oh, that would be really useful.

It's like me giving you this:

(snip)

And then telling you to prepare yourself based on this image alone.

Incredibly useful, eh?

Speculations, oh my speculations.

All i can really futher to is make a long list of if's, which i won't because i need concrete proof or evidence from the game, not your imaginations.

Coming from the "Batarian husks are ret-con" boy...

[Notlikeyoucare]

Fixers0 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Since Reapers are a cyborg entity, I suspect the mechancial systems were still working and those systems would be similar to our own automatic functions. So the body was still regulated and the immune system still functioned. There simply wasn't any higher brain functions.

Reapers are Cyborg's?


since when Actually?

Since the end of the game......

[Fixers0]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Coming from the "Batarian husks are ret-con" boy...

That has nothing to do with the discussion, you're just again derailing the conversation, with unrelated things, i base all my information with observations from the game.

Also you posted it wrong again.

[Whatever42]

Fixers0 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Since Reapers are a cyborg entity, I suspect the mechancial systems were still working and those systems would be similar to our own automatic functions. So the body was still regulated and the immune system still functioned. There simply wasn't any higher brain functions.

Reapers are Cyborg's?


since when Actually?

Did you actually play ME2?

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

Speculations, oh my speculations.

All i can really futher to is make a long list of if's, which i won't because i need concrete proof or evidence from the game, not your imaginations.

That's quite comical, coming from you.

[Fixers0]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Since Reapers are a cyborg entity, I suspect the mechancial systems were still working and those systems would be similar to our own automatic functions. So the body was still regulated and the immune system still functioned. There simply wasn't any higher brain functions.

Reapers are Cyborg's?


since when Actually?

Since the end of the game......

By a bunch of writers who were in over their heads......

[Fixers0]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Speculations, oh my speculations.

All i can really futher to is make a long list of if's, which i won't because i need concrete proof or evidence from the game, not your imaginations.

That's quite comical, coming from you.

And yet again Fanboy syndrome comes into play.

If you're not even bothering to post arguments, thene we're done.