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Nothign you do wil stop the reapers, all you can do is slow them down which you did in ME2. I f they don't have the human reaper in ME3, then they have to start over. IF they did, they be fighting on the galatic scale much more intensly.



You didnt slow them down in ME2. The Repaers are still coming just as fast as they were before.

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Nothign you do wil stop the reapers, all you can do is slow them down which you did in ME2. I f they don't have the human reaper in ME3, then they have to start over. IF they did, they be fighting on the galatic scale much more intensly.



You didnt slow them down in ME2. The Repaers are still coming just as fast as they were before.


Except for that whole 'Arrival' thing.

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Good lord, I have a heap of stuff that kept me away from this debate and it balloons into a 100+ page monster? I don't know whether to be impressed or a little scared. :P

Hey, Iakus. I ever toss you the rewrite concept I had for Horizon? That part always seemed to twist at your nerves a tad.

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111987 wrote...

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dreman9999 wrote...
Nothign you do wil stop the reapers, all you can do is slow them down which you did in ME2. I f they don't have the human reaper in ME3, then they have to start over. IF they did, they be fighting on the galatic scale much more intensly.



You didnt slow them down in ME2. The Repaers are still coming just as fast as they were before.


Except for that whole 'Arrival' thing.


That's DLC
...so no

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111987 wrote...

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dreman9999 wrote...
Nothign you do wil stop the reapers, all you can do is slow them down which you did in ME2. I f they don't have the human reaper in ME3, then they have to start over. IF they did, they be fighting on the galatic scale much more intensly.



You didnt slow them down in ME2. The Repaers are still coming just as fast as they were before.


Except for that whole 'Arrival' thing.


Hence the argument Arrival was a better plot premise than ME2. You cannot argue DLC makes ME2 a good plot because it did not exist within ME2's plot but was an event after.

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Arrival is canon whether you played it or not.

So, yes.

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Massadonious1 wrote...

Arrival is canon whether you played it or not.

So, yes.


This.

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That's DLC
...so no


So was LotSB.  And that's canon too.

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Massadonious1 wrote...

Arrival is canon whether you played it or not.

So, yes.


It is also irrelevant to the argument, "Does Mass Effect 2 have a good plot/story?" because it is not apart of them. LotSB falls under this same category, in fact it can be debated one could simply play both pieces of DLC and skip ME2's plot entirely. Nonetheless, DLC cannot be factored into this, since it is arguing after the fact.

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Massadonious1 wrote...

Arrival is canon whether you played it or not.

So, yes.


It is also irrelevant to the argument, "Does Mass Effect 2 have a good plot/story?" because it is not apart of them. LotSB falls under this same category, in fact it can be debated one could simply play both pieces of DLC and skip ME2's plot entirely. Nonetheless, DLC cannot be factored into this, since it is arguing after the fact.


No. The DLC are a part of the story whether you like it or not.

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The books and comics are optional too, but they're just as much a part of the story as the DLCs.

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111987 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

Arrival is canon whether you played it or not.

So, yes.


It is also irrelevant to the argument, "Does Mass Effect 2 have a good plot/story?" because it is not apart of them. LotSB falls under this same category, in fact it can be debated one could simply play both pieces of DLC and skip ME2's plot entirely. Nonetheless, DLC cannot be factored into this, since it is arguing after the fact.


No. The DLC are a part of the story whether you like it or not.


No it is Part of the Mass effect series, but not of Mass Effect 2's main narative and plot.

Modifié par Fixers0, 07 septembre 2011 - 07:23 .


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111987 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

Arrival is canon whether you played it or not.

So, yes.


It is also irrelevant to the argument, "Does Mass Effect 2 have a good plot/story?" because it is not apart of them. LotSB falls under this same category, in fact it can be debated one could simply play both pieces of DLC and skip ME2's plot entirely. Nonetheless, DLC cannot be factored into this, since it is arguing after the fact.


No. The DLC are a part of the story whether you like it or not.


Okay, so back in say June of two years ago, when the topic came up "Does Mass Effect 2 have a good story?" Your response would be, "I dunno, have to wait on the DLC."? You cannot include DLC in a debate about Mass Effect 2's story has it did not exist upon the time of release. When we debate Dragon Age's storyline and characters, we do not include Awakening in the discussion.

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1. I descussed this already. The collecor are extremly isolated, so isolated at any normal attempt to their base of location end with falure and death. Theirs a reason why the work throw the omega 4 relay that only operates with a certin IFF, because they don't what any onr to learn about them. And it not like the cast did not try. horizon and the collector ship missions where about finding out more about their enemy. The point Smudboy forget to mention this shows how much he doesn't understand the plot.


No, it shows how little you understand the plot.


As for intell that he's speaking of, remember you facing an enemy with teck so powerful they can sense the most advance stealth ship. Any thing that goes through the relay is sence by the collectors and any amount of probing after getting the iff,(you have to get that first before sending probes because you won't get to the right place with out it.) will tell the collector you about to attack. Every probe you seen will tell the collectors where you ship is going to arrive which will allow for a surpise attack to be planned for your arrival.


Speculation.
We don't know if hte Collectors can detect a stealth ship.
There are several reasons why the Normandy could have been tracked - a fraim a traitor withing you ranks to a tracking device.

1.What? Were yiu even paying attention. You just told me I'm wrong without saying what was right or how I was wrong. Do you even understand why Shep bothered to get the reaper iff in the first place.

2.Posted Image...........Now you want to jump to concusions with out proof.......If your going to state a consept, you need proof to back it up.

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111987 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

Arrival is canon whether you played it or not.

So, yes.


It is also irrelevant to the argument, "Does Mass Effect 2 have a good plot/story?" because it is not apart of them. LotSB falls under this same category, in fact it can be debated one could simply play both pieces of DLC and skip ME2's plot entirely. Nonetheless, DLC cannot be factored into this, since it is arguing after the fact.


No. The DLC are a part of the story whether you like it or not.


The argument isn't that its not canon, bu that it exists soley outside of the main plot. It therefore can not be used as an excuse to call the main plot good since it has nothing to do with the plot.

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Bourne Endeavor wrote...

111987 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Nothign you do wil stop the reapers, all you can do is slow them down which you did in ME2. I f they don't have the human reaper in ME3, then they have to start over. IF they did, they be fighting on the galatic scale much more intensly.



You didnt slow them down in ME2. The Repaers are still coming just as fast as they were before.


Except for that whole 'Arrival' thing.


Hence the argument Arrival was a better plot premise than ME2. You cannot argue DLC makes ME2 a good plot because it did not exist within ME2's plot but was an event after.

Your not understanding my point. The reapers are not spread out though out the galexy because they are on earth. With the human reaper gone, their focus now is to make another one which is why they attacked earth first. Any reaper you fight be in small number, giving you a better chance to take one down bacuse their not moving in Mass because they are majority on earth.

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Notlikeyoucare wrote...

111987 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Massadonious1 wrote...

Arrival is canon whether you played it or not.

So, yes.


It is also irrelevant to the argument, "Does Mass Effect 2 have a good plot/story?" because it is not apart of them. LotSB falls under this same category, in fact it can be debated one could simply play both pieces of DLC and skip ME2's plot entirely. Nonetheless, DLC cannot be factored into this, since it is arguing after the fact.


No. The DLC are a part of the story whether you like it or not.


The argument isn't that its not canon, bu that it exists soley outside of the main plot. It therefore can not be used as an excuse to call the main plot good since it has nothing to do with the plot.

The main plot of ME is Shepard's facing the reapers. So with that consept being that all 3 games is about that...It's part of the main plot.

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dreman9999 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

111987 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Nothign you do wil stop the reapers, all you can do is slow them down which you did in ME2. I f they don't have the human reaper in ME3, then they have to start over. IF they did, they be fighting on the galatic scale much more intensly.



You didnt slow them down in ME2. The Repaers are still coming just as fast as they were before.


Except for that whole 'Arrival' thing.


Hence the argument Arrival was a better plot premise than ME2. You cannot argue DLC makes ME2 a good plot because it did not exist within ME2's plot but was an event after.

Your not understanding my point. The reapers are not spread out though out the galexy because they are on earth. With the human reaper gone, their focus now is to make another one which is why they attacked earth first. Any reaper you fight be in small number, giving you a better chance to take one down bacuse their not moving in Mass because they are majority on earth.


They'd have to have the Reapers attack Earth either way since there's no way the Collectors would have finished that thing on their own.

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Notlikeyoucare wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

111987 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Nothign you do wil stop the reapers, all you can do is slow them down which you did in ME2. I f they don't have the human reaper in ME3, then they have to start over. IF they did, they be fighting on the galatic scale much more intensly.



You didnt slow them down in ME2. The Repaers are still coming just as fast as they were before.


Except for that whole 'Arrival' thing.


Hence the argument Arrival was a better plot premise than ME2. You cannot argue DLC makes ME2 a good plot because it did not exist within ME2's plot but was an event after.

Your not understanding my point. The reapers are not spread out though out the galexy because they are on earth. With the human reaper gone, their focus now is to make another one which is why they attacked earth first. Any reaper you fight be in small number, giving you a better chance to take one down bacuse their not moving in Mass because they are majority on earth.


They'd have to have the Reapers attack Earth either way since there's no way the Collectors would have finished that thing on their own.

I know that, I've stated this before already. I just if the human reaper is their, they'll be done faster and can put their focus else where. Now that they don't they have to put most of that  focus on earth.

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That's DLC
...so no


So was LotSB.  And that's canon too.


It's not incpasulated within ME2 and it's got no real conenction to ME2's plot. TI's a compeltely separate thing.

So no.

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

That's DLC
...so no


So was LotSB.  And that's canon too.


It's not incpasulated within ME2 and it's got no real conenction to ME2's plot. TI's a compeltely separate thing.

So no.

It's a trilogy. Everything that has relation to the reapers is part of the main ME plot.

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It's not incpasulated within ME2 and it's got no real conenction to ME2's plot. TI's a compeltely separate thing.

So no.


By that logic, the Reapers invading the galaxy isn't canon either.

Oh wait. It is.

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2.Posted Image...........Now you want to jump to concusions with out proof.......If your going to state a consept, you need proof to back it up.


And if youre going to state that hte Collectors can detect stealth ships, you need proof of that too.

We know the Collectors ambushed the Normandy, we do not know HOW they found out where she was.

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dreman9999 wrote...

Your not understanding my point. The reapers are not spread out though out the galexy because they are on earth. With the human reaper gone, their focus now is to make another one which is why they attacked earth first. Any reaper you fight be in small number, giving you a better chance to take one down bacuse their not moving in Mass because they are majority on earth.


Again speculation.

How and why the reapers do things and fight is not known information.

You cannot use the destruction of the CB as some incredible strategic blow to the reapers wihotu anything to back that up.

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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
2.Posted Image...........Now you want to jump to concusions with out proof.......If your going to state a consept, you need proof to back it up.


And if youre going to state that hte Collectors can detect stealth ships, you need proof of that too.

We know the Collectors ambushed the Normandy, we do not know HOW they found out where she was.

My proofis in the opening sequence. They state their ship is in stelth mode andthe collector found them any way.....Clearly,that mean they can detect them...unlesss you can give me proof stating something else gave them away.....