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[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...
The argument isn't that its not canon, bu that it exists soley outside of the main plot. It therefore can not be used as an excuse to call the main plot good since it has nothing to do with the plot.

The main plot of ME is Shepard's facing the reapers. So with that consept being that all 3 games is about that...It's part of the main plot.

No.

ME2's plot is stopping the Collectors. Thats it.

Tehre is no connection ebtween Arrival and ME2. Arrival is copletely self-sufficient (or incapsulated) - it has NOTHING to do with ME2. You could plop it in ME1 and it would fit just as well. TI has nothing to do with ME2 plot. It's not part of ME2 plot.

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Your not understanding my point. The reapers are not spread out though out the galexy because they are on earth. With the human reaper gone, their focus now is to make another one which is why they attacked earth first. Any reaper you fight be in small number, giving you a better chance to take one down bacuse their not moving in Mass because they are majority on earth.

Again speculation.

How and why the reapers do things and fight is not known information.

You cannot use the destruction of the CB as some incredible strategic blow to the reapers wihotu anything to back that up.

Not a speculation, look at the demo we see so far and compear it with the fall of earth. The reapers were raining down on earth and on the salarian home world....we get cerberus........ Why arn't their reapers there......If they want that female krogan dead,why not seen a reaper to blow the place up?
It's clear that the reapers are not spread out evenly every where and focused on earth.

[Bourne Endeavor]

dreman9999 wrote...

Your not understanding my point. The reapers are not spread out though out the galexy because they are on earth. With the human reaper gone, their focus now is to make another one which is why they attacked earth first. Any reaper you fight be in small number, giving you a better chance to take one down bacuse their not moving in Mass because they are majority on earth.

You are speculating assumptions that did not exist. Your theory has nor greater merit, then if I were to say, "Earth just happened to be the first thing in their way." Both are equally valid and logical points however the remain speculative. You further attempt to deduce their logistics, which is impossible based on the clips we have witnessed. We could be told in ME3 early on only a dozen have shown up, when the current estimation puts them close to three hundred. Finally, Sovereign by his lonesome completely decimated the entire Citadel fleet and put in a significant dent in the Alliance armada. Even if we factor in an advancement in technology since then, our likelihood of survival against more than one looks relative slim. We need something else.

Nonetheless, your post does not attribute as to why the Reaper built a human terminator, their intention for doing so, the shape, size and etc. These were questions we ought to know, otherwise the concept feels hollow, hence the near unanimous hatred for the Human-reaper. It subverted what we learned from Sovereign and frankly was illogical due to lack of exposition.

dreman9999 wrote...

The main plot of ME is Shepard's facing the reapers. So with that consept being that all 3 games is about that...It's part of the main plot.

Yes, for now the umpteenth time, that is Mass Effect's plot but we specifically evaluating the plot of Mass Effect 2, which focuses on the Collectors and the Human-Reaper, not DLC.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
No.

ME2's plot is stopping the Collectors. Thats it.

Tehre is no connection ebtween Arrival and ME2. Arrival is copletely self-sufficient (or incapsulated) - it has NOTHING to do with ME2. You could plop it in ME1 and it would fit just as well. TI has nothing to do with ME2 plot. It's not part of ME2 plot.

Or not, since the player wouldn't know who the hell Harbinger is.

Nor would it make sense when Hackett talks about the SR-2 Normandy.

There wouldn't be an explenation to why Shepard is able to resist the anesthetics or what the hell he's using to get out of his cell either.

It is downloadable content for ME2 as well as LotSB. They are very much a part of the plot.

Especially LotSB, since it has connections to Redemption, which involved the Collectors and Cerberus.

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...
The argument isn't that its not canon, bu that it exists soley outside of the main plot. It therefore can not be used as an excuse to call the main plot good since it has nothing to do with the plot.

The main plot of ME is Shepard's facing the reapers. So with that consept being that all 3 games is about that...It's part of the main plot.

No.

ME2's plot is stopping the Collectors. Thats it.

Tehre is no connection ebtween Arrival and ME2. Arrival is copletely self-sufficient (or incapsulated) - it has NOTHING to do with ME2. You could plop it in ME1 and it would fit just as well. TI has nothing to do with ME2 plot. It's not part of ME2 plot.

If you think that you are missing key part of the plot....
This is why Shepard was revived.....

We later find that the collectors were abducting colonies.
Soon we find that they are mindless tools of the reapers...
In the end weare just fighting the reaper though their pawns...the same way we fought Saren as a pawn of the reapers...
In the end, ME2 plot is about facing the reapers...mostly slowing them down.

[Notlikeyoucare]

Prestly (spelling) states that its impossible the Collector Ship could be moving to intercept,because the stealth systems are engaged. So yeah, they can see stealth ships. It does seem a little convenient that the Collector cruiser just happens to cross paths, but I digress.

[Someone With Mass]

dreman9999 wrote...
Not a speculation, look at the demo we see so far and compear it with the fall of earth. The reapers were raining down on earth and on the salarian home world....we get cerberus........ Why arn't their reapers there......If they want that female krogan dead,why not seen a reaper to blow the place up?
It's clear that the reapers are not spread out evenly every where and focused on earth.

They're trashing Pavalen at the same time, though.

They may not be everywhere, but they're covering a large part of the galaxy.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 07 septembre 2011 - 08:32 .

[armass]

As it's own plot the main plot of ME2 can't stand but as a prelude to ME3 it might. We shall see...

[Notlikeyoucare]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Your not understanding my point. The reapers are not spread out though out the galexy because they are on earth. With the human reaper gone, their focus now is to make another one which is why they attacked earth first. Any reaper you fight be in small number, giving you a better chance to take one down bacuse their not moving in Mass because they are majority on earth.

You are speculating assumptions that did not exist. Your theory has nor greater merit, then if I were to say, "Earth just happened to be the first thing in their way." Both are equally valid and logical points however the remain speculative. You further attempt to deduce their logistics, which is impossible based on the clips we have witnessed. We could be told in ME3 early on only a dozen have shown up, when the current estimation puts them close to three hundred. Finally, Sovereign by his lonesome completely decimated the entire Citadel fleet and put in a significant dent in the Alliance armada. Even if we factor in an advancement in technology since then, our likelihood of survival against more than one looks relative slim. We need something else.

Nonetheless, your post does not attribute as to why the Reaper built a human terminator, their intention for doing so, the shape, size and etc. These were questions we ought to know, otherwise the concept feels hollow, hence the near unanimous hatred for the Human-reaper. It subverted what we learned from Sovereign and frankly was illogical due to lack of exposition.

dreman9999 wrote...

The main plot of ME is Shepard's facing the reapers. So with that consept being that all 3 games is about that...It's part of the main plot.

Yes, for now the umpteenth time, that is Mass Effect's plot but we specifically evaluating the plot of Mass Effect 2, which focuses on the Collectors and the Human-Reaper, not DLC.

Some have argued that Sovereign never stated the Reapers were purely mechanical. As well as Shepard, Saren, and Vigil's comments about the Reapers being machines as all speculation. Maybe it was, but I don't buy it. If Sovereign was cybernetic as ME 2 suggests, why does he speak so much hatred of organics and not machines?

[armass]

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Not a speculation, look at the demo we see so far and compear it with the fall of earth. The reapers were raining down on earth and on the salarian home world....we get cerberus........ Why arn't their reapers there......If they want that female krogan dead,why not seen a reaper to blow the place up?
It's clear that the reapers are not spread out evenly every where and focused on earth.

They're trashing Pavalen at the same time, though.

They may not be everywhere, but they're covering a large part of the galaxy.

And Tuchanka. In the demo there was a picture of Tuchankas landscape where you choose the landing sites and you could clearly see reapers in there.

[Bourne Endeavor]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Your not understanding my point. The reapers are not spread out though out the galexy because they are on earth. With the human reaper gone, their focus now is to make another one which is why they attacked earth first. Any reaper you fight be in small number, giving you a better chance to take one down bacuse their not moving in Mass because they are majority on earth.

Again speculation.

How and why the reapers do things and fight is not known information.

You cannot use the destruction of the CB as some incredible strategic blow to the reapers wihotu anything to back that up.

Not a speculation, look at the demo we see so far and compear it with the fall of earth. The reapers were raining down on earth and on the salarian home world....we get cerberus........ Why arn't their reapers there......If they want that female krogan dead,why not seen a reaper to blow the place up?
It's clear that the reapers are not spread out evenly every where and focused on earth.

So a single trailer of Reapers on Earth is unequivocal proof the vast majority arrived there? By your logic, I could claim Miranda will indefinitely be our enemy in ME3. I have no evidence of this beyond her lacking a trailer, therefore it must be fact. You are speculating based off a less than a handful of short vid clips.

[dreman9999]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Your not understanding my point. The reapers are not spread out though out the galexy because they are on earth. With the human reaper gone, their focus now is to make another one which is why they attacked earth first. Any reaper you fight be in small number, giving you a better chance to take one down bacuse their not moving in Mass because they are majority on earth.

You are speculating assumptions that did not exist. Your theory has nor greater merit, then if I were to say, "Earth just happened to be the first thing in their way." Both are equally valid and logical points however the remain speculative. You further attempt to deduce their logistics, which is impossible based on the clips we have witnessed. We could be told in ME3 early on only a dozen have shown up, when the current estimation puts them close to three hundred. Finally, Sovereign by his lonesome completely decimated the entire Citadel fleet and put in a significant dent in the Alliance armada. Even if we factor in an advancement in technology since then, our likelihood of survival against more than one looks relative slim. We need something else.

Nonetheless, your post does not attribute as to why the Reaper built a human terminator, their intention for doing so, the shape, size and etc. These were questions we ought to know, otherwise the concept feels hollow, hence the near unanimous hatred for the Human-reaper. It subverted what we learned from Sovereign and frankly was illogical due to lack of exposition.

dreman9999 wrote...

The main plot of ME is Shepard's facing the reapers. So with that consept being that all 3 games is about that...It's part of the main plot.

Yes, for now the umpteenth time, that is Mass Effect's plot but we specifically evaluating the plot of Mass Effect 2, which focuses on the Collectors and the Human-Reaper, not DLC.

My theory is based on what we know about ME3 so far...And so far we see that the reapers rained themselves on earth and yet the salarian home world with an important female krogan gets cerberus........They could of sent a reaper there to take her out.....yet they send cerberus.........It clear that their main focus is else where.

As to why they build a human reaper....You need to listen to harbenger....http://www.youtube.c...dcVYTjRw#t=236s

[Notlikeyoucare]

To reiterate an earlier point.

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

111987 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

111987 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Well now, heres something interesting.

"I understand that the Reapers need organics"

"The
relationship is symbiotic, organic and machine intertwined, a union of
flesh and steel. The strengths of both the weaknesses of neither."

"The Reapers don't use organics, they devour and discard them as soon as the conquest is over you'll be cast aside"


Saren doesn't deny this, he acknowledges it

So they don't use us to procreate then?

This
brings up an important question: If the Reapers believe that a
combination of both is the pinnical, Why don't they also want to
slaughter all synthetic life aka Geth?

My god, this is a mess, can somebody take 5 minutes to write this thing please?

EDIT:
And why haven't they done so in the past? All they've said is that they
exterminate organics, what about sentient machines?

The Reapers 'devour' organics...doesn't that suggest the Reapers are using them for something?

Are
you totally ignorant of the games? The Reapers were going to slaughter
the Geth! They saw them as tools, and were actually offended by them.
This is stated in ME1. In ME2, Harbinger says about Legion "Geth: an
annoyance, limited utitlity"

You are drawing conclusions based
off of statements by people who have NO IDEA what the true nature of the
Reapers are. Saren was a tool.

We don't even
know the true nature of the Reapers yet. Thats my whole point: its
inconsistent, There is no A to B correlation any of it. One minute the
Reapers eat organics yet they discard them, wtf? Saren is fully
indoctrinated at this point and he says he understands. Was he lying?
Did Sovereign make him lie? If so, why? He has no motive to lie. The
Reapers consider the Geth to be annoyances? Ok, if the Geth are limited
are they going to eat them? They are both organic and mechanic right?
Why wouldn't they? If the Geth are so un-advanced to the point of being
nothing worth harvesting, why are they harvesting advanced organic life
to eat if they've already advanced passed that point? If they aren't,
then how are they beyond our comprehension?

Your
whole point is wrong, because there hasn't been an inconsistency. You
assuming the Reapers were purely mechanical is just that; an assumption.
Seriously, stop saying it's inconsistent or a retcon. Say that you
don't like the direction the plot went. There would be no issue here if
you just did that.

I don't know where this whole idea of Reapers
eating organics came from anyways. Who said that, Shepard? Once again,
he has no idea what the Reaper's plans are, so he has no basis for that
statement. That's only his interepretaiton of it.

Saren was fully
indoctrinated, yes. That is irrelevant. That only means he's been mind
controlled the believe what the Reapers are doing is right.
Indoctrination doesn't mean the indoctrinated person magically knows
everything about the Reapers.

And just because Sovereign says we
are beyond their comprehension doesn't mean that's actually true...the
whole idea of the Reapers was written by humans at Bioware, so we can
comprehend their motives. Sovereign's answer was just a non-answer, he
feels so superior to us he isn't even going to bother explaining.

The
Geth are going to be destroyed. Not harvested. Only humans are being
harvested. We don't know why yet. All other organic life is going to be
eradicated. The Geth included.

......
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. Yes, Shepard said it, Saren
acknowledged it. I never said that Saren being indoctrinated means he
knows everything about the Reapers, it means that Sovereign would be
able to control what hes saying if it is Sovereign speaking at all.
Saren says he understands the Reapers, so does he know or not? Which is
it? is he lying? If so, what are his motives to lie? Again is Sovereign lying? if so, what are his motives?  If Reapers are both in-organic and organic[/u] why wouldn't they harvest both Machine and organic What makes organics worth harvesting over machines?

See
the info dump at the end of ME 2 doesn't provide an answer to these
questions. There isn't enough inquiry on SHepards part for this to make
sense because the question of what part of this is the
truth, and was who was lying, who was speculating and what the facts
are, aren't addressed, properly subverted, on EDI or Shepard's part
speculating or explaining what we are actually supposed to know.  The
game just handwaves them and moves on. It also doesn't explain how ALL Reapers are the same just by scanning [u]one.

[dreman9999]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Your not understanding my point. The reapers are not spread out though out the galexy because they are on earth. With the human reaper gone, their focus now is to make another one which is why they attacked earth first. Any reaper you fight be in small number, giving you a better chance to take one down bacuse their not moving in Mass because they are majority on earth.

Again speculation.

How and why the reapers do things and fight is not known information.

You cannot use the destruction of the CB as some incredible strategic blow to the reapers wihotu anything to back that up.

Not a speculation, look at the demo we see so far and compear it with the fall of earth. The reapers were raining down on earth and on the salarian home world....we get cerberus........ Why arn't their reapers there......If they want that female krogan dead,why not seen a reaper to blow the place up?
It's clear that the reapers are not spread out evenly every where and focused on earth.

So a single trailer of Reapers on Earth is unequivocal proof the vast majority arrived there? By your logic, I could claim Miranda will indefinitely be our enemy in ME3. I have no evidence of this beyond her lacking a trailer, therefore it must be fact. You are speculating based off a less than a handful of short vid clips.

The gameplay demo.....We shown earth under full attack by the reapers. We watch horde of reaper land and destroythe city we are in. Yet, we don't see that on the salariam world......It clear their focus is earth. If it not, explain to me why a reaper is not on the salarian home world trying to kill that krogan female.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Some have argued that Sovereign never stated the Reapers were purely mechanical. As well as Shepard, Saren, and Vigil's comments about the Reapers being machines as all speculation. Maybe it was, but I don't buy it. If Sovereign was cybernetic as ME 2 suggests, why does he speak so much hatred of organics and not machines?

I have heard that argument myself and debated against it, however Shamus Young has the best rebuttal...

"There is an excuse offered up that this is sort of how Reapers reproduce. But what is a robot-made-of-slurpee able to do that a straight-up engineered robot can’t? This system is actually more inefficient, convoluted, and time consuming than anything an organic species might go through to reproduce or build a warship. Why don’t they just build a ship and load it up with Reaper tech? It might not be a full-fledged Reaper, but it should come close enough to get the job done. Remember the goal: 1) Reach the Citadel and open the relay to let the other Reapers through. 2) Win! For all the effort they put into rounding up people and playing “will it blend?” with them, they could have gone a long way to making a pretty good ship. Or ships.

Okay, so it’s a Reaper… somehow. What is the utility of a kilometer-tall robotic space-faring biped? Walk around in space? Punch spaceships? Bite stuff? Embarrass the enemy with its massive space genitalia? This is the OPPOSITE of what a machine race would do. This is adding inefficient organic cruft to a machine."

Source - Very insightful read

[marstor05]

ME2's plot is pretty thin. I mean Shep gets resurrected and then goes works for Cerberus? Surely he'd report back to the council wouldn't he?

Some of the points Smudboy makes are quite valid.

However I think he needs to realise that actually it's just a game.

[dreman9999]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Your not understanding my point. The reapers are not spread out though out the galexy because they are on earth. With the human reaper gone, their focus now is to make another one which is why they attacked earth first. Any reaper you fight be in small number, giving you a better chance to take one down bacuse their not moving in Mass because they are majority on earth.

You are speculating assumptions that did not exist. Your theory has nor greater merit, then if I were to say, "Earth just happened to be the first thing in their way." Both are equally valid and logical points however the remain speculative. You further attempt to deduce their logistics, which is impossible based on the clips we have witnessed. We could be told in ME3 early on only a dozen have shown up, when the current estimation puts them close to three hundred. Finally, Sovereign by his lonesome completely decimated the entire Citadel fleet and put in a significant dent in the Alliance armada. Even if we factor in an advancement in technology since then, our likelihood of survival against more than one looks relative slim. We need something else.

Nonetheless, your post does not attribute as to why the Reaper built a human terminator, their intention for doing so, the shape, size and etc. These were questions we ought to know, otherwise the concept feels hollow, hence the near unanimous hatred for the Human-reaper. It subverted what we learned from Sovereign and frankly was illogical due to lack of exposition.

dreman9999 wrote...

The main plot of ME is Shepard's facing the reapers. So with that consept being that all 3 games is about that...It's part of the main plot.

Yes, for now the umpteenth time, that is Mass Effect's plot but we specifically evaluating the plot of Mass Effect 2, which focuses on the Collectors and the Human-Reaper, not DLC.

Some have argued that Sovereign never stated the Reapers were purely mechanical. As well as Shepard, Saren, and Vigil's comments about the Reapers being machines as all speculation. Maybe it was, but I don't buy it. If Sovereign was cybernetic as ME 2 suggests, why does he speak so much hatred of organics and not machines?

He hate organics ignorance. It's like american settlers hating native american indians because of their way of life then going to them to force christianity on them to make them better.

Modifié par dreman9999, 07 septembre 2011 - 08:50 .

[dreman9999]

marstor05 wrote...

ME2's plot is pretty thin. I mean Shep gets resurrected and then goes works for Cerberus? Surely he'd report back to the council wouldn't he?

Some of the points Smudboy makes are quite valid.

However I think he needs to realise that actually it's just a game.

.....As soon as you finish freedom's progress you can go to the citidel...They only time you can go anyhere you please is after that mission. How would shpe be able to contact the citidal or anyone before Freedoms'progress?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Prestly (spelling) states that its impossible the Collector Ship could be moving to intercept,because the stealth systems are engaged. So yeah, they can see stealth ships. It does seem a little convenient that the Collector cruiser just happens to cross paths, but I digress.

Unless the Normandy was betrayd..or a homing beacon was placed on it's hull.

It seems cleat the Collectors knew where the Normandy was heading. They drop out of FTL right behind her - and they couldn track Normandy while in FTL... And normandy herslef was in FLT before that.

[Bourne Endeavor]

dreman9999 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Your not understanding my point. The reapers are not spread out though out the galexy because they are on earth. With the human reaper gone, their focus now is to make another one which is why they attacked earth first. Any reaper you fight be in small number, giving you a better chance to take one down bacuse their not moving in Mass because they are majority on earth.

Again speculation.

How and why the reapers do things and fight is not known information.

You cannot use the destruction of the CB as some incredible strategic blow to the reapers wihotu anything to back that up.

Not a speculation, look at the demo we see so far and compear it with the fall of earth. The reapers were raining down on earth and on the salarian home world....we get cerberus........ Why arn't their reapers there......If they want that female krogan dead,why not seen a reaper to blow the place up?
It's clear that the reapers are not spread out evenly every where and focused on earth.

So a single trailer of Reapers on Earth is unequivocal proof the vast majority arrived there? By your logic, I could claim Miranda will indefinitely be our enemy in ME3. I have no evidence of this beyond her lacking a trailer, therefore it must be fact. You are speculating based off a less than a handful of short vid clips.

The gameplay demo.....We shown earth under full attack by the reapers. We watch horde of reaper land and destroythe city we are in. Yet, we don't see that on the salariam world......It clear their focus is earth. If it not, explain to me why a reaper is not on the salarian home world trying to kill that krogan female.

How is a krogam female of any relevance to a machine race whose sole and only purpose is the complete annihilation of all galactic civilization? Regardless, one could theorize they simply have not arrived yet. Perhaps upon the onset of ME3 we discuss only a handful have crossed over to the Milky Way, while the others lag behind. There was an image of nearly three hundred Reapers at ME2's conclusion, yet we do not see even a tenth of that number on Earth in any of the clips. So are the others simply orbiting Earth waiting on take out?

See? We do not know, thus we are speculating.

[Someone With Mass]

marstor05 wrote...

ME2's plot is pretty thin. I mean Shep gets resurrected and then goes works for Cerberus? Surely he'd report back to the council wouldn't he?

Some of the points Smudboy makes are quite valid.

However I think he needs to realise that actually it's just a game.

That's simply not enough for some people. They're expecting the best story ever.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
No.

ME2's plot is stopping the Collectors. Thats it.

Tehre is no connection ebtween Arrival and ME2. Arrival is copletely self-sufficient (or incapsulated) - it has NOTHING to do with ME2. You could plop it in ME1 and it would fit just as well. TI has nothing to do with ME2 plot. It's not part of ME2 plot.

Or not, since the player wouldn't know who the hell Harbinger is.

Nor would it make sense when Hackett talks about the SR-2 Normandy.

There wouldn't be an explenation to why Shepard is able to resist the anesthetics or what the hell he's using to get out of his cell either.

It is downloadable content for ME2 as well as LotSB. They are very much a part of the plot.

Especially LotSB, since it has connections to Redemption, which involved the Collectors and Cerberus.

No.

Arrival is not part of ME2 plot. Period.It's DLC. It's optional. It's self-contaned. It has no direct ties with ME2 plot.
Get your head out of hte sand.

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Prestly (spelling) states that its impossible the Collector Ship could be moving to intercept,because the stealth systems are engaged. So yeah, they can see stealth ships. It does seem a little convenient that the Collector cruiser just happens to cross paths, but I digress.

Unless the Normandy was betrayd..or a homing beacon was placed on it's hull.

It seems cleat the Collectors knew where the Normandy was heading. They drop out of FTL right behind her - and they couldn track Normandy while in FTL... And normandy herslef was in FLT before that.

Agein....Proof.. You can't make any statement with out proof.  As for ftl, you can't attack or hide a ship in ftl.

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
No.

ME2's plot is stopping the Collectors. Thats it.

Tehre is no connection ebtween Arrival and ME2. Arrival is copletely self-sufficient (or incapsulated) - it has NOTHING to do with ME2. You could plop it in ME1 and it would fit just as well. TI has nothing to do with ME2 plot. It's not part of ME2 plot.

Or not, since the player wouldn't know who the hell Harbinger is.

Nor would it make sense when Hackett talks about the SR-2 Normandy.

There wouldn't be an explenation to why Shepard is able to resist the anesthetics or what the hell he's using to get out of his cell either.

It is downloadable content for ME2 as well as LotSB. They are very much a part of the plot.

Especially LotSB, since it has connections to Redemption, which involved the Collectors and Cerberus.

No.

Arrival is not part of ME2 plot. Period.It's DLC. It's optional. It's self-contaned. It has no direct ties with ME2 plot.
Get your head out of hte sand.

Why are you not getting that ME is a trilogy? Everything from ME1 to ME3 is one giant plot. They may have plot points bu t the arrival dlc is part of the trolgy plot in a whole.

Modifié par dreman9999, 07 septembre 2011 - 08:57 .

[dreman9999]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Your not understanding my point. The reapers are not spread out though out the galexy because they are on earth. With the human reaper gone, their focus now is to make another one which is why they attacked earth first. Any reaper you fight be in small number, giving you a better chance to take one down bacuse their not moving in Mass because they are majority on earth.

Again speculation.

How and why the reapers do things and fight is not known information.

You cannot use the destruction of the CB as some incredible strategic blow to the reapers wihotu anything to back that up.

Not a speculation, look at the demo we see so far and compear it with the fall of earth. The reapers were raining down on earth and on the salarian home world....we get cerberus........ Why arn't their reapers there......If they want that female krogan dead,why not seen a reaper to blow the place up?
It's clear that the reapers are not spread out evenly every where and focused on earth.

So a single trailer of Reapers on Earth is unequivocal proof the vast majority arrived there? By your logic, I could claim Miranda will indefinitely be our enemy in ME3. I have no evidence of this beyond her lacking a trailer, therefore it must be fact. You are speculating based off a less than a handful of short vid clips.

The gameplay demo.....We shown earth under full attack by the reapers. We watch horde of reaper land and destroythe city we are in. Yet, we don't see that on the salariam world......It clear their focus is earth. If it not, explain to me why a reaper is not on the salarian home world trying to kill that krogan female.

How is a krogam female of any relevance to a machine race whose sole and only purpose is the complete annihilation of all galactic civilization? Regardless, one could theorize they simply have not arrived yet. Perhaps upon the onset of ME3 we discuss only a handful have crossed over to the Milky Way, while the others lag behind. There was an image of nearly three hundred Reapers at ME2's conclusion, yet we do not see even a tenth of that number on Earth in any of the clips. So are the others simply orbiting Earth waiting on take out?

See? We do not know, thus we are speculating.

Yet it relivent to them enough to send the indorinated cerberus after her? She has the cure for the genophage in her....Giving the the ability to make more krogan numbers........If she was not important then they would never send cerberus after them. And if they have not arrived yet, that's a clear sign that they are focus else where...on earth.