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I prive my point already that you have to understand the characters to understand the story. I already made clear that interpret and recognise are synonyms of understand. I don't need to insult your intelegent by stateing what impulsive and woman means.Anacronian Stryx wrote...
So you have no definition of what impulse is or a woman is?
So you actually have to make sense of everything you encounter no matter how many times you have encountered it before?
To add to that. Tali and Garrus don't trust Cerberus either yet they both say "I am here for you" . The whole point being that the pre conceptions between two factions shouldn't be enough for the VS to lose sight of what the issue is.
Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 07 septembre 2011 - 05:56 .
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
TobyHasEyes wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
TobyHasEyes wrote...
But you see, if we were discussing physics, I would respect the views of a physicist who had dedicated their life to studying that field, and I would believe they could lend credence on what theories/views were most accurate to the real objective state of things
Seeing as literary standards are not real or objective, then those educated people have devoted their lives to justifying subjective standards as though they were real or objective
Who sez physics is objective? There's people who believe Earth is 6000 years old. Go and tell them they are wrong. Lets see you convince them of your "objectivity".
Writing standards exist for a reason. They arne't as hard as physical laws, but they aren't subjective - not really.
The enjoymet of a particial piece of fiction may be subjective, but thats another matter altogehter.
Subjectivism is the last refuge of the people who have no real arguments anymore.
Last refuge of the people who have no real arguments anymore? Sounds like ad hominem to me
The point with my physics remark is that there is a measure by which you can prove a physics theory wrong or right.. by whether it accurately describes the way the world really is. People may argue over whether certain theories (such as the age of the Earth) do accurately describe the way the world really is, but we can do experiments, examine data etc. to see if it is the case
With writing standards, we have nothing like that. It is only us, not the universe, which decides what makes a good story. And an appeal to the authority of literary standards does not elevate one preference over another
And you claim that it's fully subjective is garbage. It's not. You only claim that because you disagree.
Why should I care about your measure? I renounce your physics. You will never, ever prove me wrong, because I denounce your proof. Everything you say and do is subjective. Every sound that comes out of your mouth is subjective. Every measurment you bring forth is a lie.
What youre basicly saying is that such thing as bad writing doesn't exist.
Which is the stupidest thing I ever heard.
dreman9999 wrote...
Because it takes time. They are dealing with multiple spieces, which all have a greater force together and people exsist that know they exsist. They don't want to give their targets time to stop them. Getting started earily with the harvesting means they end early before they can be stopped. Now with the human reaper dead, it will take longer to make a new reaper, give their target time to stop them.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
They don't trust Cerberus. They should trust Sheppard.
How far are you willing to go in defenes of bad Bio writing? Aparently to infinity (of senslessness) and beyond....
Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 07 septembre 2011 - 06:21 .
Modifié par dreman9999, 07 septembre 2011 - 05:58 .
dreman9999 wrote...
I prive my point already that you have to understand the characters to understand the story. I already made clear that interpret and recognise are synonyms of understand. I don't need to insult your intelegent by stateing what impulsive and woman means.Anacronian Stryx wrote...
So you have no definition of what impulse is or a woman is?
So you actually have to make sense of everything you encounter no matter how many times you have encountered it before?
I'm sorry but are you saying that recognize and interpert are not synonyms of understand? Aka are you saying my links are wrong?Anacronian Stryx wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
I prive my point already that you have to understand the characters to understand the story. I already made clear that interpret and recognise are synonyms of understand. I don't need to insult your intelegent by stateing what impulsive and woman means.Anacronian Stryx wrote...
So you have no definition of what impulse is or a woman is?
So you actually have to make sense of everything you encounter no matter how many times you have encountered it before?
You have proven nothing but your lack of understanding of what the concept of interpritation means but whatever.
It 's the consept of focus. If you can keep you target focus on one thing, then you can control their actions and understanding. The reapers did this with the relays, mass effect tech, and the keepers. With that they made sure that we never developed a way they did not want us to. With how the reapers are now, it's backwards. We are out of their control and they are focus on making a reaper out of humanity. As long as they are focus on humanities reaper, we are free to find a way to end them. If they are finished faster with making the human reaper, then they can focus on controling us. Since they have to start over, we have more time to try and stop them. It not about stopping their first move, its about stopping furture movements.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Because it takes time. They are dealing with multiple spieces, which all have a greater force together and people exsist that know they exsist. They don't want to give their targets time to stop them. Getting started earily with the harvesting means they end early before they can be stopped. Now with the human reaper dead, it will take longer to make a new reaper, give their target time to stop them.
You can't be serous with this explanation.....
The reapers are comng one way or another. They will harvest as much as they can one way or another.
Destroying the CB did nothing to slow the reapers down. Nothing.
dreman 9999 wrote...
I'm sorry but are you saying that recognize and interpret are not synonyms of understand? Aka are you saying my links are wrong?
http://thesaurus.com...e/understandingAnacronian Stryx wrote...
dreman 9999 wrote...
I'm sorry but are you saying that recognize and interpret are not synonyms of understand? Aka are you saying my links are wrong?
I'm sorry are you actually saying that because interpretation and reorganization is part of the concept of of understanding therefore are the same thing?
Interpretation is not synonyms with reorganization.
Seriously just stop, you have been making a fool of yourself for long enough.
Modifié par dreman9999, 07 septembre 2011 - 06:12 .
Notlikeyoucare wrote...
The entire VS senario is BS. Ashley is loyal to Alliance for the sake of contrivance, its never explained how or why she feels this way considering she commited mutiny AGAINST the Alliance in ME 1, which proves DISloyalty, But that does not equate to her outright hatered of Cerberus, who were also retconned. Kaiden is the most level headed and logical guy I've seen in the ME universe. Besides, the catalyst for these changes weren't Cerberus anyway, you're making stuff up.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Because it takes time. They are dealing with multiple spieces, which all have a greater force together and people exsist that know they exsist. They don't want to give their targets time to stop them. Getting started earily with the harvesting means they end early before they can be stopped. Now with the human reaper dead, it will take longer to make a new reaper, give their target time to stop them.
You can't be serous with this explanation.....
The reapers are comng one way or another. They will harvest as much as they can one way or another.
Destroying the CB did nothing to slow the reapers down. Nothing.
Notlikeyoucare wrote...
No, its a case of bad writing and you simply being non receptive of that fact. But if that is what you want, I will agree to disagree.
Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 07 septembre 2011 - 08:20 .
dreman9999 wrote...
http://thesaurus.com...e/understanding
Main Entry:
understand
Part of Speech:
verb
Definition:
appreciate, comprehend
Synonyms:
accept, apprehend, be aware, be conscious of, be with it, catch, catch on, conceive, deduce, discern, distinguish, explain, fathom, figure out, find out, follow, get the hang of, get the idea, get the picture, get the point, get*, grasp, have knowledge of, identify with, infer, interpret, ken, know, learn, make out, make sense of, master, note, penetrate, perceive, possess, read, realize, recognize , register, savvy*, see, seize, sense, sympathize, take in*, take meaning, tolerate
SAY THAT AGAIN? Please.
Any victory in a defensive war is a good victory...unless it's a Pyrrhic victory .Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Because it takes time. They are dealing with multiple spieces, which all have a greater force together and people exsist that know they exsist. They don't want to give their targets time to stop them. Getting started earily with the harvesting means they end early before they can be stopped. Now with the human reaper dead, it will take longer to make a new reaper, give their target time to stop them.
You can't be serous with this explanation.....
The reapers are comng one way or another. They will harvest as much as they can one way or another.
Destroying the CB did nothing to slow the reapers down. Nothing.
It appears to have slowed down their production of one new Reaper. A nice victory, big to the people who won't be kidnapped for it, not so big on the full scale of the Reaper invasion, from what we've been shown.
Sgt Stryker wrote...
Notlikeyoucare wrote...
The entire VS senario is BS. Ashley is loyal to Alliance for the sake of contrivance, its never explained how or why she feels this way considering she commited mutiny AGAINST the Alliance in ME 1, which proves DISloyalty, But that does not equate to her outright hatered of Cerberus, who were also retconned. Kaiden is the most level headed and logical guy I've seen in the ME universe. Besides, the catalyst for these changes weren't Cerberus anyway, you're making stuff up.
What about the whole business with General Williams and Shanxi? I wouldn't say Ashley being loyal to the Alliance is all that contrived. However, I am not refuting that the exchange on Horizon was ridiculous. Is irrational behavior an unexpected side effect of exposure to seeker bug toxin?
syn·o·nymAnacronian Stryx wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
http://thesaurus.com...e/understanding
Main Entry:
understand
Part of Speech:
verb
Definition:
appreciate, comprehend
Synonyms:
accept, apprehend, be aware, be conscious of, be with it, catch, catch on, conceive, deduce, discern, distinguish, explain, fathom, figure out, find out, follow, get the hang of, get the idea, get the picture, get the point, get*, grasp, have knowledge of, identify with, infer, interpret, ken, know, learn, make out, make sense of, master, note, penetrate, perceive, possess, read, realize, recognize , register, savvy*, see, seize, sense, sympathize, take in*, take meaning, tolerate
SAY THAT AGAIN? Please.
Alright.
Just because interpretation and reconnection is part of the concept of of understanding does not make them same thing.
Interpretation is not synonyms with reconnection.
what is it you don't get?
Do i need a silly smiley before you pay attention...well here it comes
Modifié par dreman9999, 07 septembre 2011 - 06:28 .
Ashley is....clear from the fact she still joined the alliance to try and make up for her families black mark.Notlikeyoucare wrote...
Sgt Stryker wrote...
Notlikeyoucare wrote...
The entire VS senario is BS. Ashley is loyal to Alliance for the sake of contrivance, its never explained how or why she feels this way considering she commited mutiny AGAINST the Alliance in ME 1, which proves DISloyalty, But that does not equate to her outright hatered of Cerberus, who were also retconned. Kaiden is the most level headed and logical guy I've seen in the ME universe. Besides, the catalyst for these changes weren't Cerberus anyway, you're making stuff up.
What about the whole business with General Williams and Shanxi? I wouldn't say Ashley being loyal to the Alliance is all that contrived. However, I am not refuting that the exchange on Horizon was ridiculous. Is irrational behavior an unexpected side effect of exposure to seeker bug toxin?
Really now, would you be loyal to a faction who crapped on two generations of your family and yourself because they surrendered? Maybe. But by extension, using that as her grounds to label Shepard a traitor is stupid considering she willingly comitted mutiny in ME 1. How would that earn their respect? It has been established she will go out of her way to do what is right in the face of her political alignment. This is why I say its contrived.
Anacronian Stryx wrote...
I think the quote tags are messed up all over the site and has been so for the last half hour.
dreman9999 wrote...
Ashley is....clear from the fact she still joined the alliance to try and make up for her families black mark.Notlikeyoucare wrote...
Sgt Stryker wrote...
Notlikeyoucare wrote...
The entire VS senario is BS. Ashley is loyal to Alliance for the sake of contrivance, its never explained how or why she feels this way considering she commited mutiny AGAINST the Alliance in ME 1, which proves DISloyalty, But that does not equate to her outright hatered of Cerberus, who were also retconned. Kaiden is the most level headed and logical guy I've seen in the ME universe. Besides, the catalyst for these changes weren't Cerberus anyway, you're making stuff up.
What about the whole business with General Williams and Shanxi? I wouldn't say Ashley being loyal to the Alliance is all that contrived. However, I am not refuting that the exchange on Horizon was ridiculous. Is irrational behavior an unexpected side effect of exposure to seeker bug toxin?
Really now, would you be loyal to a faction who crapped on two generations of your family and yourself because they surrendered? Maybe. But by extension, using that as her grounds to label Shepard a traitor is stupid considering she willingly comitted mutiny in ME 1. How would that earn their respect? It has been established she will go out of her way to do what is right in the face of her political alignment. This is why I say its contrived.
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