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Killjoy Cutter wrote...
So the reader, viewer, or player should never observe what occurs in a book, movie, or game, and then draw conclusions based on those observations?
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
So the reader, viewer, or player should never observe what occurs in a book, movie, or game, and then draw conclusions based on those observations?
Fixers0 wrote...
If bioware is able to keep the gap between lore and gameplay at a minium and if they are able to provide creatives solutions to problems that would be created then i indeed think it will raise the credibility and make mass effect feel unique again.
I'm sorry...Did we just spent the last few post explaing the details from ME1 that explain the details of ME2 to you? The fact is that you did not notice that they were there or explained in ME1 is clear that YOU don't understand. It's not the plot being had to understand. It's just you not understanding and forgetting the details of the story and plot.Fixers0 wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Or not. Just because you think it is doesn't mean everyone else will.
If bioware is able to keep the gap between lore and gameplay at a minium and if they are able to provide creatives solutions to problems that would be created then i indeed think it will raise the credibility and make mass effect feel unique again.
Fixers0 wrote...
Sure they can, but they cannot just invent things up out of supposition and state is as objective fact.
But it you looked in the lore and understand it. You would see it's not invented from the air.Fixers0 wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
So the reader, viewer, or player should never observe what occurs in a book, movie, or game, and then draw conclusions based on those observations?
Sure they can, but they cannot just invent things up out of supposition and state is as objective fact.
Someone With Mass wrote...
It would also be a waste of their budget and production time if they had to, for example, create a whole new combat system just because Jacob's loyalty mission was technologically frozen in time. I really doubt that they would re-design everything for only one mission.
Someone With Mass wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
Sure they can, but they cannot just invent things up out of supposition and state is as objective fact.
But calling everything a retroactive continuity simply based on the lack of knowledge is alright?
No,because the codex isn't infallible.Fixers0 wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
Sure they can, but they cannot just invent things up out of supposition and state is as objective fact.
But calling everything a retroactive continuity simply based on the lack of knowledge is alright?
If the Codex explicitly mentions that it is A, and the narative ends up doing B, it isn't a Retcon?
I agree, that's the only time they hada retcon in the story of ME2. It could of been a throw back level. But with that said. It's the only retcon in ME2. It's not enough to make the story bad, but it is a retcon.Fixers0 wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
It would also be a waste of their budget and production time if they had to, for example, create a whole new combat system just because Jacob's loyalty mission was technologically frozen in time. I really doubt that they would re-design everything for only one mission.
They would have just make guns work again like they did before and they never should have replaced the heat bar with an ammo counter.
Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
No,because the codex isn't infallible.Fixers0 wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
Sure they can, but they cannot just invent things up out of supposition and state is as objective fact.
But calling everything a retroactive continuity simply based on the lack of knowledge is alright?
If the Codex explicitly mentions that it is A, and the narative ends up doing B, it isn't a Retcon?
Someone With Mass wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
If bioware is able to keep the gap between lore and gameplay at a minium and if they are able to provide creatives solutions to problems that would be created then i indeed think it will raise the credibility and make mass effect feel unique again.
It would also be a waste of their budget and production time if they had to, for example, create a whole new combat system just because Jacob's loyalty mission was technologically frozen in time. I really doubt that they would re-design everything for only one mission.
Would also serve as fan service to an extent.
But the narrative is not doing b...It's doing A. And could you point use to where it does this?Fixers0 wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
Sure they can, but they cannot just invent things up out of supposition and state is as objective fact.
But calling everything a retroactive continuity simply based on the lack of knowledge is alright?
If the Codex explicitly mentions that it is A, and the narative ends up doing B, it isn't a Retcon?
Someone who pays attention and doesn't call everything I don't like or understand a retcon.Fixers0 wrote...
And who are you to argue?
It isn't a retcon or a plothole, it's simply a gameplay compromise.Nashiktal wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
If bioware is able to keep the gap between lore and gameplay at a minium and if they are able to provide creatives solutions to problems that would be created then i indeed think it will raise the credibility and make mass effect feel unique again.
It would also be a waste of their budget and production time if they had to, for example, create a whole new combat system just because Jacob's loyalty mission was technologically frozen in time. I really doubt that they would re-design everything for only one mission.
Actually I think it would be pretty cool if they did that. For one mission you get the infinite ammo with overheat back.
I agree it would be costly, however it would have avoided the plot hole there. (or was it retcon? I can never keep it straight on these forums)
Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
Someone who pays attention and doesn't call everything I don't like or understand a retcon.Fixers0 wrote...
And who are you to argue?
Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
It isn't a retcon or a plothole, it's simply a gameplay compromise.
Modifié par Fixers0, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:33 .
Nashiktal wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
If bioware is able to keep the gap between lore and gameplay at a minium and if they are able to provide creatives solutions to problems that would be created then i indeed think it will raise the credibility and make mass effect feel unique again.
It would also be a waste of their budget and production time if they had to, for example, create a whole new combat system just because Jacob's loyalty mission was technologically frozen in time. I really doubt that they would re-design everything for only one mission.
Actually I think it would be pretty cool if they did that. For one mission you get the infinite ammo with overheat back.
I agree it would be costly, however it would have avoided the plot hole there. (or was it retcon? I can never keep it straight on these forums)
Modifié par Il Divo, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:33 .
Fixers0 wrote...
Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
Someone who pays attention and doesn't call everything I don't like or understand a retcon.Fixers0 wrote...
And who are you to argue?
If You paid so much attention then pleas explain how Shepard was recoverd, without inventing things up that aren't there.
This.111987 wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
Someone who pays attention and doesn't call everything I don't like or understand a retcon.Fixers0 wrote...
And who are you to argue?
If You paid so much attention then pleas explain how Shepard was recoverd, without inventing things up that aren't there.
The Lazarus Project
Fixers0 wrote...
They would have just make guns work again like they did before and they never should have replaced the heat bar with an ammo counter.
111987 wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
Someone who pays attention and doesn't call everything I don't like or understand a retcon.Fixers0 wrote...
And who are you to argue?
If You paid so much attention then pleas explain how Shepard was recoverd, without inventing things up that aren't there.
The Lazarus Project
111987 wrote...
Lazarus Project
Someone With Mass wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
They would have just make guns work again like they did before and they never should have replaced the heat bar with an ammo counter.
Watch the documentaries of ME2. They changed the ammo system for a reason.
Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
It isn't a retcon or a plothole, it's simply a gameplay compromise.Nashiktal wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
If bioware is able to keep the gap between lore and gameplay at a minium and if they are able to provide creatives solutions to problems that would be created then i indeed think it will raise the credibility and make mass effect feel unique again.
It would also be a waste of their budget and production time if they had to, for example, create a whole new combat system just because Jacob's loyalty mission was technologically frozen in time. I really doubt that they would re-design everything for only one mission.
Actually I think it would be pretty cool if they did that. For one mission you get the infinite ammo with overheat back.
I agree it would be costly, however it would have avoided the plot hole there. (or was it retcon? I can never keep it straight on these forums)
Blue suns found his body and was brought to omaga to be exchanged to the Shadow broker. Cerberus sent Liara with Feron to get it back.The trackedit down tothe SB base, and took back the bady. Feron sacificed him self so liara can leave with the body and give it back to Cerberus..Fixers0 wrote...
Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
Someone who pays attention and doesn't call everything I don't like or understand a retcon.Fixers0 wrote...
And who are you to argue?
If You paid so much attention then pleas explain how Shepard was recoverd, without inventing things up that aren't there.
Modifié par dreman9999, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:39 .
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