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[Nashiktal]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

They would have just make guns work again like they did before and they never should have replaced the heat bar with an ammo counter.

Watch the documentaries of ME2. They changed the ammo system for a reason.

Mass Audiance appeal over plot and consistancy?

I don't mind them changing the entire system, but I agree they should be a little more consistant about it.

[111987]

Fixers0 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

And who are you to argue?

Someone who pays attention and doesn't call everything I don't like or understand a retcon.

If You paid so much attention then pleas explain how Shepard was recoverd, without inventing things up that aren't there.

The Lazarus Project

So and how did that work? i mean, if someone is disintergrated smashed apart and whatnot,how is he even able to put back togheter.

Shepard wasn't disintegrated. He was described as being recovered looking like meat. So all the genetic material is there.

How did they restore his memory or do all of this? To quote Jacob Taylor..."cutting edge technology" :happy:

Modifié par 111987, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:37 .

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

Yeah, same as with Kinetic barriers, you should expect bioware pays attention to lore once in a while

In case you haven't noticed, not everything theoretical turns out to be practically good.

Also, the game's texts and dialogues are usually done long before the game actually takes shape.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

They would have just make guns work again like they did before and they never should have replaced the heat bar with an ammo counter.

Watch the documentaries of ME2. They changed the ammo system for a reason.

Mass Audiance appeal over plot and consistancy?

Here is an idea, give BW all of your money and tell them to do it again,remake all of ME2.

Or just remove Jacob.

[dreman9999]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

They would have just make guns work again like they did before and they never should have replaced the heat bar with an ammo counter.

Watch the documentaries of ME2. They changed the ammo system for a reason.

Mass Audiance appeal over plot and consistancy?

How about removing and exploted gameplay michanic.

[Jakedee010v2]

What a load of ****! Someone ban him from YouTube.

[Someone With Mass]

111987 wrote...

Shepard wasn't disintegrated. He was described as being recovered looking like meat. So all the genetic material is there.

How did they restore his memory or do all of this? To quote Jacob Taylor..."cutting edge technology" :happy:

It's Shepard's 4 Billion Credit (Wo)Man moment.

"We have the technology." 

[Fixers0]

dreman9999 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

And who are you to argue?

Someone who pays attention and doesn't call everything I don't like or understand a retcon.

If You paid so much attention then pleas explain how Shepard was recoverd, without inventing things up that aren't there.

Blue suns found his body and was brought to omaga tobe exchanged to the Shadow broker. Cerberus sent Liara with Feron to get it back.The trackedit down tothe SB base, and took back the bady. Feron sacificed him self so liara can leave with the body and give it back to Cerberus..
Source...Mass Effect: redemtion.

And that does nothing to explain how what's-left-of-shepard was not totally destroyed,preserved and rebuitlt.

Now that i'm talking about, all these points have been brough up by Smudboy, so why not listen to him instead? 

[dreman9999]

Jakedee010v2 wrote...

What a load of ****! Someone ban him from YouTube.

Welcome to mid- 2010.

[The Interloper]

Fixers0 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

And who are you to argue?

Someone who pays attention and doesn't call everything I don't like or understand a retcon.

If You paid so much attention then pleas explain how Shepard was recoverd, without inventing things up that aren't there.

You seem to be under the impression that the mundane details of a simple operation whose results we clearly see need to be explained. Emphasis on need, as in necessary, as in we can't get by without it.

So shepards body orbited the planet in the upper atmosphere and was retrieved. Mass effect fields may have been involved-cushioning impact maybe? Problem solved.

And you can't yell " pointless supposition!" What else are you going to suppose, that his body smacked planetside at full force and therefore resurrection is impossible? Because that clearly wasn't what happened. So stop coming up with reasons why it wouldn't work and come up with reasons why it would.

Supposition doesn't work when the gap is too large to bridge easily, and too important/complex for an off-camera treatment to do it justice. In this case the whole issue could have completely dissapeared with one added sentance, so neither of these things applies. Exactly how shepard's body was retrieved is unimportant. This only becomes a plot-breaking issue if you go out of your way to make it so.

Modifié par The Interloper, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:42 .

[Someone With Mass]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
Here is an idea, give BW all of your money and tell them to do it again,remake all of ME2.

Or just remove Jacob.

I think the solution for that problem is rather obvious.  

[Nashiktal]

Jakedee010v2 wrote...

What a load of ****! Someone ban him from YouTube.

Why? He has not done anything wrong.

Unless not liking his points is ban worthy I guess. In which case I am glad you're not a mod.

Edited so the grammar **** doesn't take me away.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:46 .

[Il Divo]

Nashiktal wrote...

Jakedee010v2 wrote...

What a load of ****! Someone ban him from YouTube.

Why? He has not done anything wrong.

Unless not liking his points is ban worthy I guess. In which case I am glad your not a mod.

We certainly have had philosophers, scientists, and writers burned alive for far less.

[dreman9999]

Fixers0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

And who are you to argue?

Someone who pays attention and doesn't call everything I don't like or understand a retcon.

If You paid so much attention then pleas explain how Shepard was recoverd, without inventing things up that aren't there.

Blue suns found his body and was brought to omaga tobe exchanged to the Shadow broker. Cerberus sent Liara with Feron to get it back.The trackedit down tothe SB base, and took back the bady. Feron sacificed him self so liara can leave with the body and give it back to Cerberus..
Source...Mass Effect: redemtion.

And that does nothing to explain how what's-left-of-shepard was not totally destroyed,preserved and rebuitlt.

Now that i'm talking about, all these points have been brough up by Smudboy, so why not listen to him instead? 

You asked for how he was recovered....Not how his body was able to servive the atmosphere entry. That no one knoe because no one alive was there to see. Shepard was their....but he is die before seeing...

[Master Wolf]

The Interloper wrote...
And you can't yell " pointless supposition!" What else are you going to suppose, that his body smacked planetside at full force and therefore resurrection is impossible? Because that clearly wasn't what happened. So stop coming up with reasons why it wouldn't work and come up with reasons why it would.
 

Of course not just his helmet was pulled out of his head and hit the planetside alone his body...his boduy followed a tottaly different path xD

[Fixers0]

111987 wrote...

Shepard wasn't disintegrated.

But the game showed us he was burning up in athmosphere.

111987 wrote...
He was described as being recovered looking like meat. So all the genetic material is there.

Plot convience, no logical explanation, insults intelligence and breaks suspension of disbelief.

111987 wrote...
How did they restore his memory or do all of this? To quote Jacob Taylor..."cutting edge technology"

Mainstream gamers might accept that, but people who think twice find out this doesn't make a lick of sense.

[Fixers0]

dreman9999 wrote...

You asked for how he was recovered....Not how his body was able to servive the atmosphere entry. That no one knoe because no one alive was there to see. Shepard was their....but he is die before seeing...

A plothole then.

Sounds logical.

[Nashiktal]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Jakedee010v2 wrote...

What a load of ****! Someone ban him from YouTube.

Why? He has not done anything wrong.

Unless not liking his points is ban worthy I guess. In which case I am glad your not a mod.

It's "you're."

/grammar nazi

Eh, i've made far worse mistakes.

[Jakedee010v2]

Nashiktal wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Jakedee010v2 wrote...

What a load of ****! Someone ban him from YouTube.

Why? He has not done anything wrong.

Unless not liking his points is ban worthy I guess. In which case I am glad your not a mod.

It's "you're."

/grammar nazi

Eh, i've made far worse mistakes.

Everyone so serious here? It was just a joke.

[Fixers0]

The Interloper wrote...

You seem to be under the impression that the mundane details of a simple operation whose results we clearly see need to be explained. Emphasis on need, as in necessary, as in we can't get by without it.

So shepards body orbited the planet in the upper atmosphere and was retrieved. Mass effect fields may have been involved-cushioning impact maybe? Problem solved.

And you can't yell " pointless supposition!" What else are you going to suppose, that his body smacked planetside at full force and therefore resurrection is impossible? Because that clearly wasn't what happened. So stop coming up with reasons why it wouldn't work and come up with reasons why it would.

Supposition doesn't work when the gap is too large to bridge easily, and too important/complex for an off-camera treatment to do it justice. In this case the whole issue could have completely dissapeared with one added sentance, so neither of these things applies. Exactly how shepard's body was retrieved is unimportant. This only becomes a plot-breaking issue if you go out of your way to make it so.

So kinetic barriers saved him

Right:mellow:

Also it's not just. about holes left in the narative, it's the bad writing involved in this scene, it's lack of meaning or expostition  poor presentation of the conclusion and even poor concept to begin with.

Modifié par Fixers0, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:48 .

[111987]

Fixers0 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Shepard wasn't disintegrated.

But the game showed us he was burning up in athmosphere.

Did it now? I think someone needs to rewatch the scene again!

Fixers0 wrote...

111987 wrote...
He was described as being recovered looking like meat. So all the genetic material is there.

Plot convience, no logical explanation, insults intelligence and breaks suspension of disbelief.

Well okay then...

Fixers0 wrote...

111987 wrote...
How did they restore his memory or do all of this? To quote Jacob Taylor..."cutting edge technology"

Mainstream gamers might accept that, but people who think twice find out this doesn't make a lick of sense.

Maybe those people need to think about it a little more, and then it might start making sense.

And no, please don't ask me how exactly they did it. I am not a scientist with technology advanced enough to bring back a human from the dead. But clearly the scientists in Mass Effect are very capable.

[dreman9999]

Il Divo wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Jakedee010v2 wrote...

What a load of ****! Someone ban him from YouTube.

Why? He has not done anything wrong.

Unless not liking his points is ban worthy I guess. In which case I am glad your not a mod.

We certainly have had philosophers, scientists, and writers burned alive for far less.

-1200 AD, europe-

Some astronomer: "the earth is round and revolves arounf the sun"
The church:"What, that's blasphemy! Burn the unbeleiver!"
Some astronomer:":o...Ok, never mind I was wrong.:unsure:"

........ And then a few hundred years later, that astronomer was proved right by some sailing around the world.

Modifié par dreman9999, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:52 .

[dreman9999]

Fixers0 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Shepard wasn't disintegrated.

But the game showed us he was burning up in athmosphere.

111987 wrote...
He was described as being recovered looking like meat. So all the genetic material is there.

Plot convience, no logical explanation, insults intelligence and breaks suspension of disbelief.

111987 wrote...
How did they restore his memory or do all of this? To quote Jacob Taylor..."cutting edge technology"

Mainstream gamers might accept that, but people who think twice find out this doesn't make a lick of sense.

The game never showed his body being turned to ashe.....
Andhat ends that...moving on.

[The Interloper]

Fixers0 wrote...

Plot convience, no logical explanation, insults intelligence and breaks suspension of disbelief.

111987 wrote...
How did they restore his memory or do all of this? To quote Jacob Taylor..."cutting edge technology"

Mainstream gamers might accept that, but people who think twice find out this doesn't make a lick of sense.

Plots are built on convenience. Suspension of disbelief picks up the slack. For all the talk about how the plot is so illogical it makes SoD impossible, almost nobody tries to use it to begin with.

So how else would they bring him back? Magic? This is Sci-fi. If there ever was a time to suspend disbelief, this would be #1.