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[Il Divo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Jakedee010v2 wrote...

What a load of ****! Someone ban him from YouTube.

Why? He has not done anything wrong.

Unless not liking his points is ban worthy I guess. In which case I am glad your not a mod.

We certainly have had philosophers, scientists, and writers burned alive for far less.

-1200 AD, europe-

Some astronomer: "the earth is round and revolves arounf the sun"
The church:"What, that's blasphemy! Burn the und beleiver!"
Some astronomer:":o...Ok, never mind I was wrong.:unsure:"

........ And then a few hundred years later, that astronomer was proved right by some sailing around the world.

Yep, just got through a review Galileo. Using him as a reference point to explain one (of many reasons) Descartes chose to "prove" the existence of God in his Meditations.

Modifié par Il Divo, 08 septembre 2011 - 07:52 .

[100k]

dreman9999 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kinetic barriers can stop anything that's solid, as long as they're activated. With the exception of heat, toxins and radiation.

With exception of Shepard walking through them when the plot demands it, you mean?

Someone With Mass wrote...

When exposed to something toxic, they tend to put on their helmets.

Or their breather mask, same with heat or radiation.

When has Shepard ever walk throu one?
Also, we never went to radiation posioned world in ME2. A hot world , Yes but we could stay in the shade to not get cooked.

We know that there are some kinds of phyisical shields that can stop slow moving objects, by example of Shepard waking up Legion and putting him in some form of stasis.

But c'mon guys...

>a fall from orbit = Shepard's body remaining intact (albeit with broken bones, etc).

>a fall out of a window while chasing Vasir = Shepard getting stunned

You gotta choose one.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

@100k,to be fair he was conscious out the window...

[Iakus]

Someone With Mass wrote...

111987 wrote...

Shepard wasn't disintegrated. He was described as being recovered looking like meat. So all the genetic material is there.

How did they restore his memory or do all of this? To quote Jacob Taylor..."cutting edge technology" :happy:

It's Shepard's 4 Billion Credit (Wo)Man moment.

"We have the technology."  magic

Fixed 

[Someone With Mass]

111987 wrote...
Maybe those people need to think about it a little more, and then it might start making sense.

And no, please don't ask me how exactly they did it. I am not a scientist with technology advanced enough to bring back a human from the dead. But clearly the scientists in Mass Effect are very capable.

It'd have been cool if they had listed every single bit of technology they put in Adam Jensen, but I didn't need that in order to enjoy Deus Ex, nor did I need it in ME2.

[dreman9999]

100k wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kinetic barriers can stop anything that's solid, as long as they're activated. With the exception of heat, toxins and radiation.

With exception of Shepard walking through them when the plot demands it, you mean?

Someone With Mass wrote...

When exposed to something toxic, they tend to put on their helmets.

Or their breather mask, same with heat or radiation.

When has Shepard ever walk throu one?
Also, we never went to radiation posioned world in ME2. A hot world , Yes but we could stay in the shade to not get cooked.

We know that there are some kinds of phyisical shields that can stop slow moving objects, by example of Shepard waking up Legion and putting him in some form of stasis.

But c'mon guys...

>a fall from orbit = Shepard's body remaining intact (albeit with broken bones, etc).

>a fall out of a window while chasing Vasir = Shepard getting stunned

You gotta choose one.

He fell from space and die......
He fell from a ledge and was breifly stunned.......after the fact he was made into a super soldier cyborg.....

[Killjoy Cutter]

Fixers0 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

So the reader, viewer, or player should never observe what occurs in a book, movie, or game, and then draw conclusions based on those observations? 

Sure they can, but they cannot just invent things up out of supposition and state is as objective fact.

Well, I'm not stating that it's objective fact that barriers are tuneable. 

I just don't see any other explanation for the observable facts, and there's nothing internally contradictory about the concept of barriers being able to block gases.   A gas is made up of small, fast-moving objects, after all. 

I respect that you don't just shrug your shoulders and say "it's a game" or "it's science fiction" when confronted with things that don't seem consistent to you.   Fiction, including games with setting, story, etc, should be internally consistent -- they should have verisimilitude. 

However, in my opinion at least, it's not a problem if we see a technology or ability (biotics, whatever) do something in the game that's not mentioned in the lore. 

It IS a problem when we see a technology or ability do two actually contradictory things in the game, or do something that directly and blatantly contradicts the lore.

[100k]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

@100k,to be fair he was conscious out the window...

...and that detracts from my point how?

Kinetic (portable) barriers can't help you during a fall. 

[sbvera13]

After 146 pages, the following page 1 quote becomes particularly poignant:

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

OH MY GOD! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

YOU'VE JUST OPENED THE GATES TO HELL!!!

[dreman9999]

100k wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

@100k,to be fair he was conscious out the window...

...and that detracts from my point how?

Kinetic (portable) barriers can't help you during a fall. 

He was also a super soldier cyborg at that point as well. What Shepard and servives in ME2 after his death can't become compared to how Shepard is in ME1 because he'sa normalperson in ME1.

[100k]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...I just don't see any other explanation for the observable facts, and there's nothing internally contradictory about the concept of barriers being able to block gases.   A gas is made up of small, fast-moving objects, after all.

I think the difference between gas and a barrage of bullets is that bullets wear down a shield via smacking a few kinetic points of it at high speed (even an LMG), whilst gas particles would be hitting hundreds of millions of points in a second, which would instantly down a shield.

[111987]

Just want to point out something from the Codex about armor.

"Armored hard-suits are sealable to protect the wearer from extremes of temperature and atmosphere."

"The last level of protection is provided by the suit's microframe computers, whose input detectors are woven throughout the fabric. These manage the self-healing system, which finds rents in the fabric and, assuming any such tear would wound the flesh underneath, seals the area off with sterile, non-conductive medi-gel. This stanches minor wounds and plugs holes in the suit that could prove fatal in vacuum or toxic environments."

These quotes show how Shepard's body could have survived planetary re-entry (assuming he did crash onto the planet) through his armor protecting him from the heat of re-entry (at least to an extent), and the medi-gel preserving enough of his body to be salvageable.

We also know that bones can be made to be almost completely indestructible in the Mass Effect universe.

"By reinforcing the skeleton with a synthetic weave, bones can be made almost unbreakable. In the event of bone trauma, medi-gel conduits allow for bone regenerations in a matter of days. "

Just throwing that stuff out there...

[sbvera13]

Another page 1 quote:

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Please make it stop

[Iakus]

The Interloper wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Plot convience, no logical explanation, insults intelligence and breaks suspension of disbelief.

111987 wrote...
How did they restore his memory or do all of this? To quote Jacob Taylor..."cutting edge technology"

Mainstream gamers might accept that, but people who think twice find out this doesn't make a lick of sense.

Plots are built on convenience. Suspension of disbelief picks up the slack. For all the talk about how the plot is so illogical it makes SoD impossible, almost nobody tries to use it to begin with.

So how else would they bring him back? Magic? This is Sci-fi. If there ever was a time to suspend disbelief, this would be #1.

The question becomes what kind of science?  It goes beyond "cutting edge" because nothing even remotely resembling it has been described as existing inthe ME universe.

Just because one kind of advanced science exists in this universe doesn't automatically mean everything is automatically possible.   Suspension of disbelief means we have something to suspend disbelief on.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

It would also be a waste of their budget and production time if they had to, for example, create a whole new combat system just because Jacob's loyalty mission was technologically frozen in time. I really doubt that they would re-design everything for only one mission.

They would have just make guns work again like they did before and they never should have replaced the heat bar with an ammo counter.

Oh I agree with that completely. 

[Jakedee010v2]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

It would also be a waste of their budget and production time if they had to, for example, create a whole new combat system just because Jacob's loyalty mission was technologically frozen in time. I really doubt that they would re-design everything for only one mission.

They would have just make guns work again like they did before and they never should have replaced the heat bar with an ammo counter.

Oh I agree with that completely. 

I personally prefer Ammo, and there is Backstory to help it intigrate.

[dreman9999]

111987 wrote...

Just want to point out something from the Codex about armor.

"Armored hard-suits are sealable to protect the wearer from extremes of temperature and atmosphere."

"The last level of protection is provided by the suit's microframe computers, whose input detectors are woven throughout the fabric. These manage the self-healing system, which finds rents in the fabric and, assuming any such tear would wound the flesh underneath, seals the area off with sterile, non-conductive medi-gel. This stanches minor wounds and plugs holes in the suit that could prove fatal in vacuum or toxic environments."

These quotes show how Shepard's body could have survived planetary re-entry (assuming he did crash onto the planet) through his armor protecting him from the heat of re-entry (at least to an extent), and the medi-gel preserving enough of his body to be salvageable.

We also know that bones can be made to be almost completely indestructible in the Mass Effect universe.

"By reinforcing the skeleton with a synthetic weave, bones can be made almost unbreakable. In the event of bone trauma, medi-gel conduits allow for bone regenerations in a matter of days. "

Just throwing that stuff out there...

That weave is tech aftershepards death but....It doesn't stop ME1 armor upgrades from helping his body servive....http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Armor_Upgrades

[Iakus]

Someone With Mass wrote...

111987 wrote...
Maybe those people need to think about it a little more, and then it might start making sense.

And no, please don't ask me how exactly they did it. I am not a scientist with technology advanced enough to bring back a human from the dead. But clearly the scientists in Mass Effect are very capable.

It'd have been cool if they had listed every single bit of technology they put in Adam Jensen, but I didn't need that in order to enjoy Deus Ex, nor did I need it in ME2.

It helped that Jensen wasn't dead for two years when the augments were put in...

[sbvera13]

More from page 1!  146 pages in, predicted after just a few posts.  Hows it feel to be a sheep?

Seboist wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Please make it stop

But then we won't be able to prevent a million mothers mourning the loss of a million sons.

[Someone With Mass]

We're not told how the CO2 scrubbers can work for days either.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

It would also be a waste of their budget and production time if they had to, for example, create a whole new combat system just because Jacob's loyalty mission was technologically frozen in time. I really doubt that they would re-design everything for only one mission.

They would have just make guns work again like they did before and they never should have replaced the heat bar with an ammo counter.

Oh I agree with that completely. 

And what makes the new system so bad?

[sbvera13]

More page 1... I must be really bored or something.

100k wrote...

Come on, dude. We've talked about this multiple times! Some of us like what he said. Some of us disagree with him.

Lets just abandon this.

[Killjoy Cutter]

The sad thing is, you could have had the same basic opening setup without the questionable parts, such as the freefall from orbit, the restoration from a charred, battered sack of meat, etc. I could rewrite the opening so that it wouldn't have been open to all this questioning and angst in 5 to 10 minutes.

[Someone With Mass]

iakus wrote...

It helped that Jensen wasn't dead for two years when the augments were put in...

It took them two years to bring Shepard back. They presumably started to work on his body a short while after his death, and that work took two years.

[sbvera13]

dreman9999 wrote...

And what makes the new system so bad?

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Modifié par sbvera13, 08 septembre 2011 - 08:10 .