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[dreman9999]

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

Xeranx, the idea that Reapers need our DNA to be formed is the central idea of ME2, and I see nowhere in your comment a single hint where any criticism could be formed against the idea. You are woefully confused about the subject matters and are equivocating categories of thought. Please give it a more time to think rather than trolling our arses.

Requiring millions of possibly different arrayed strands of DNA does not equal melting down millions of people to get it.  DNA is incredibly small.  As I said, you don't need an arm to trace back your lineage.  A small blood sample is all that's needed.  If the Reapers need to combine DNA and mix it up to achieve their goals it's easily done without the violent aspect of reducing any member of a species to paste.  

That was my point.  You stated how you paid attention to what was present in game, how come you weren't able to discern what I was saying?  By the way, that's rhetorical.  I don't need your arrogance anymore than I need a root canal.

And the fact that they don't just go rob the 22nd century version of the human genome project is a sign that there's more going on here than just "capturing the genetic essence" of a species...

For one, with the way gene mods work, that's clearly done. And two, that still won't have ever diverity of genes of a race, just the basics. You can get the basic genetic details out of any person. They want every veriaty of Genes, and with the expantion og humanity via colonies the genetic deversity expanded.

Genetic diversity doesn't change in less than 200 years -- that's a genetic eyeblink. 

And there are only so many actual gene variations in the human species.  Despite what the game says, we're just not that genetically diverse as a species. 

Robbing the 2185 version of the human genome project would likely get them all they wanted, if all they were after was the full genetic diversity of the human species. 

I'm trying very hard here to not tell people to go do some up-to-date reading on the subject of genetics before replying to that. 

But who says it's just genetics that are involved here? For example, think of the virtual aliens, who transfer their consciousness onto their ship. That sounds eerily similar to a Reaper, which emits both organic and non-organic energy signatures.

Until we get a definition of 'essence of a species', we just don't know what it means. EDI probably doesn't even know what it means and just used a generic term to try and explain it.

It you you want to get essence out of genetic goo of a speice, their only one thing you'll get out of it.

A cut Codex entry actually stated that the Human-Reaper was emitting wavelengths resembling a human brain or something like that...so it might not just be pure DNA they are harvesting. Or maybe it; we don't know.

Of coure it had brian wave. They are making a new being.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...
Of coure it had brian wave. They are making a new being.

Why would a creature without a brain of the sort that organic animals have, have "brainwaves"?

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Biotics......Diffent loctions of humanity, and the fact we still have a large diversity. The basics don't change over 200 years but other detailsof genetics do. Being able to resiste sickness, or adept to new envirnments, rate of though and comprehension, and other things. The thingson the serface and major part of any speices don't change easily over time but the smaller detials, and their alot of small deteils. And no, that "project" would only have the basics of human genes, not in mass.

Nothing we see in the ME setting would do anything meaningful to the human genome in the ~175 years between now and then, and that leaves plenty of time to get a sample of just about every variation of every human gene.  

Biotics alown in ME is a whole new branch of science for genetic study. They still havn't seen all the veriaties for biotics yet.

Nothing about biotics is going to change the human genome in a few generations.

Everything about biotics in ME already di change the human genome. We're their any human that can move things with their mind before biotics...No. They don't even know how to guarrenty the birth of a biotic. The fact they can do thing normal human can'tis a change in human genetics.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Of coure it had brian wave. They are making a new being.

Why would a creature without a brain of the sort that organic animals have, have "brainwaves"?

How do you know it does not have a brian?
Reaper clearly have center wills, which you have to have a core or brain to have. They can lose this will as well, example the derlict reaper. It body is still alive but it mind is gone. It obvious it has a brain.

[dreman9999]

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Modifié par dreman9999, 09 septembre 2011 - 06:04 .

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

100k wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Remember mordin statement of human deversity on his loyalty mission. That's why the harvest  mountians of people of a spieces, to get as much as the spieces gentic diversity as possible. It one thing to get genes of a race, it's another thing to get all the variations of the genes of a race.

Blood samples, skin flakes, saliva, nail clippings, sperm, stem cells, and strands of hair.  All viable methods of acquiring DNA today.  None require violent methods to ensure acquisition.

Not to mention that Mordin is wrong -- humans are not genetically diverse. We may have different peaks and vallies, but we're still very much alike.

On the serface we are not that deverse, but with the ways are body handle new environments, dieases and changes is different from person to person. The major things stay the same in humans, the small thing change.

That's not about genetic diversity, though.  Mordin is simply wrong about human genetics.  Big shock, given how little homework the Bioware staff evidently did on the subject. 

Mordin referance is base on how little deversity other races have compared to humanity. And yes, the point I made are genetic deversity. How one is able to servive new disease is base on genetics which blue print is all about servivability. The way someone servives a desease is not based on race, it's based on genes and how many time they have been exposed to it. Even if a person is expose to a disease, they can still get sick from it base on how strong their immunity is, which is base on genetic info. Their is no race of human that is less or more prone to get sick. That is base on theindividual genes. Deversity.

I recommend a good college course or a week of intense reading of reputable works before making more comments on genetics, sir.

Could you tell me what race is more prone to get sick...

[Iakus]

dreman9999 wrote...

And theirs a reason why they did it that way. We don't know what happen after death, this is a hard science fiction story, and they don't want to lagle the reapers as evil, just as the bad guys.

And this is why I think the best "neutral" way to go about having a "post-death experience" would have a conversation between Shepard and Saren about the Reapers and the coming invasion, the ship that attacked the Normandy, and how "things are going to get worse" before having Shep wake in the Cerberus lab.  Leave it open if Shep was having a metaphysical experience, or if it was just the hallucinations of an oxygen-starved brain.

As it is, Shepard's death was a cheap gimmick with an "awesome" cinematic attatched to it.  What it boiled down to was "Shepard had an owie and Cerberus fixed it"  

Death is the ultimate trauma.  Stories of trying to defeat it date back to the Epic of Gilgamesh some four thousand years ago.  Entire stories have been written about bringing people back from the dead, or achieving immortality.  And here the reaction to seeing actual success is negligible.  It had all the dramatic tension of Mario getting a 1-up mushroom.  

In ME1, I had characters like Ash asking me what Torfan was like, or how I survived Akuze or Elysium.  I had people tiptoeing around my Shepard's experiences about the raid on Mindoir.  Terrible though those experiences would be, they should pale in comparison to dying.  

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Nothing about biotics is going to change the human genome in a few generations.

Everything about biotics in ME already di change the human genome. We're their any human that can move things with their mind before biotics...No. They don't even know how to guarrenty the birth of a biotic. The fact they can do thing normal human can'tis a change in human genetics.

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
I recommend a good college course or a week of intense reading of reputable works before making more comments on genetics, sir.

Could you tell me what race is more prone to get sick...

I'm trying to find a civil way of telling you that, going by your posted comments, you don't really understand what is and is not genetic, nor what is actually meant by "genetic diversity", nor what is actually meant by the genome of a species. 

Nothing you've talked about so far involves genetic changes in a species, or in its genetic diversity -- what genes at various locations on the chromosomes do, or in the variations that exist in those genes.  Especially not in the span of a few generations. 

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Of coure it had brian wave. They are making a new being.

Why would a creature without a brain of the sort that organic animals have, have "brainwaves"?

How do you know it does not have a brian?
Reaper clearly have center wills, which you have to have a core or brain to have. They can lose this will as well, example the derlict reaper. It body is still alive but it mind is gone. It obvious it has a brain.

I did not say that a Reaper has no brain, or no mind.  Read again:

"Why would a creature without a brain of the sort that organic animals have, have "brainwaves"?"

Before answering, investigate what brainwaves actually are:  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroencephalography

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 09 septembre 2011 - 06:20 .

[100k]

[quote]Arkitekt wrote...You implied that all these works of art share this trait of not vulgarizing death. This is not true. Period. End of conversation.[/quote]

Give me an example.

[quote]Every conceivable angle must surely include banalization of death. And I see no problems with that too.[/quote]

Maybe I missspoke then. Every conceivable angle except unconcern for death. That doesn't help your argument at all, unless you can give me an example. 

[quote]Works of art disregard death all the time, when they kill one or two characters (for instance) and little development of that is made. I see no problem whatsoever in disregarding Shepard's "bad shape" and you think it's such a big problem .... because other works treat death differently... well I'm sorry but ME isn't "those works" you have in your high esteem.[/quote]

Give me an example. 

[quote]There are two replies to this. One you already guessed. The other is to say that the reactions you need are mirrored in these characters, and rightfully so. Shepard went to sleep and when woke up 2 years passed. Meaningless to him/her. Not to his friends who cried over him/her for 2 years thinking of him dead or almost so.[/quote]

Wrong again. Shepard doesn't need Liara and Ash to be a conduit for his emotions. He's the protagonist of the story and the playermodel. If Shepard doesn't care about death -- even in all play throughs -- then not only is the game railroading player choice (RPG =/= railroading) but it is taking that control away from the player.

[quote]Shepard being killed by the reapers is to be expected. It's a war. Shepard is killing reaper's minions. I fail to see the surprise of this moment. What I meant there was that his death is unrelated to the "meaning" of the coming of the Reapers. His death is obviously related with the reapers' actions.[/quote]

Because Shepard is the protagonist of the story, and the 'war' that you speak of hasn't occured yet. It's still the calm before the storm. AND it happens in the beginning of the game. 

Squee argues that, because it was at the beginning of the story, it made his death all the more surprising.  He and I agree that there could've been more done with the death. We both disagree that some metaphyiscal force needs to reveal itself to Shepard -- merely Shepard needs to display some thoughts and feelings on dying besides an occasional comment about "getting better".

You argue that because the protagonist kills bad guys, it is unsurprising that he dies at the beginning of the second chapter of the trilogy.

But I'm having a hard time thinking taking your argument over his, considering that you've yet to give me an example of this same event happening in other forms of media.

[quote]He doesn't. He gets very annoyed in Horizon, he hugs Wrex, he tries to bring Liara back to some kind of relationship, he gets happy when recognizing Garrus. OTOH, he needs to get his act together. He's the ****ing captain that will make a very dangerous mission against the reapers. He has no chance to get mushy with his own crewmates[/quote]

You seem to lack the comprehension skills to understand that contemplating death =/= being a little b!tch. Oh, and before you futher the idea that he can't get "mushy" with his crew mates...he can have LIs. 

But none of that actually matters, because now you're just arguing for the sake of argument. You already agreed with me that Shepard should be able to respond to his death as the player sees fit, in a previous post.

[quote](he only gets this chance with Liara at the end of LotSB because Liara isn't a part of the crew).[/quote]

And Jacob and Chakwas.

Jacob's question is about what kind of emotional baggage Shepard is carrying around-- and it's an even better question than Liara's, because Shepard gets something like 6 responses. Unfortunately this is only for those who romance Jacob, so its easy to miss.

Chakwas's question is good, but Shepard's responses are sort of non answers, except for the renegade option.

[quote]Show me one person who wasn't in those circumstances. Ridiculous arguments work both ways you know?[/quote]

Childish response is childish.

[quote]And you can't make games that apply to everyone's metaphysical sentiments in due time. I knew this was a religious argument, thanks for confirming it.[/quote]

Religion was an option in ME1. Hence, since player choice should carry over through the games, it should've had a relation with Shepard's revival. You're inability to comprehend that is almost staggering.

End of discussion. You can't argue this. 

[quote]I disagreed with this above. Shepard risking his life for Joker's life is what every captain should do: be the last man on a ship. Shepard's asfixiation process was painful, and yes, "realistically" he would have had some psychological trials and conversations before being given the OK GO FIGHT THEM, but that wouldn't have made a good game, but one that would have started boringly.[/quote]

...so, you're disagreeing with me by agreeing with me...

Oh, and keep in mind that the death subplot could just as easily have been spread out throughout the game. Boringness avoided.

[quote]I already agreed with this sentiment, that it would probably be better to see Shepard (after agreeing with TIM, say), having some conversation with the good doctor Chakwas, say, about his her experiences. But it wouldn't be such a big thing, and by the time you have the conversation with TIM, no player is "worried" about shepard at all, he wants the ball rolling.[/quote]

Fine, that's all I'm saying. The death subplot doesn't have to be the engine of the game at all. It just needs to be there. Maybe a handful of conversations.

[quote]Captain America.[/quote]

O RLY? 

Captain America wakes up in a modern world and has no idea where he's been. He then makes a sad comment about missing his "date" -- and then the film ends. In the Avengers, the Director noted that Captain America will be having trouble adjusting to his new life. Wow -- all that from "dying".

Oh. And he wasn't dead. He was asleep.

Looks like you still don't have that example for me.

[quote]"Shouldn't"? No. "Couldn't"? Yes. This distinction is important. In the end, many things are cullled out of any product, even a game. If you aren't able to cull sufficient things, you will not be able to finish the game.[/quote]

Probably the smartest thing you've said all day. Which is why I don't blame BW. I blame EA. They pressure their top teams to get their products out as soon as possible. 

[quote]What happens to Shepard is seen by the player. Shepard has no "personality" because it is a "role played game", and yet the writers want deep written characters in game. And so they did.[/quote]

Ah ah ah. Remember, ME1 had Shepard as a character. There was nothing wrong with that system. Shepard could decide (via conversation options) whether he was religious, what the morals of "justic" were, whether professionalism was better than personal relationships, etc. 

ME2 took all of those elements out. Can't you see how jarring that is, especially in a game that favors previous choices carrying through?

[100k]

@Arkitekt

I'm done arguing with you.

You don't have that example I asked for, so you can't hold that point.

You think that three or four conversations with characters spread over the course of a 30 hour game would turn it into a 50 hours ordeal. There's nothing anyone can say to sway you from this thinking.

You claim that death isn't that big of a deal if you can't remember it. I haven't died, so I can't argue against someone of obvious experience such as you.
 
You argue that life survives a fall from orbit...because we can't prove that it doesn't. We can and have.

You claim that giving Shepard the option to have more character would slow down the game, and detract from what an "RPG" is, but neglect to look at games like Deus Ex, Witcher, and even Mass Effect 1.

Modifié par 100k, 09 septembre 2011 - 06:25 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

I'll give you this, 100k:

It would have been interesting to have the characters who knew Shep before try to ask Shep about being "dead" and coming back (not that I would have outright made the Shepburger the way Bioware did), and then have a lot of responses available, including the "I don't think much about it, I was knocked out and then woke up on a hospital bed, not the first time it's happened."

Maybe have Thane ask about death and the soul, because of what he believes.

It doesn't bother me that it's largely ignored, because of what I'm afraid of what it could have turned into, and personally I don't think it's that big a deal to Shep as I see Shep, but I can see where it would bother other people.

[Iakus]

Xeranx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Remember mordin statement of human deversity on his loyalty mission. That's why the harvest  mountians of people of a spieces, to get as much as the spieces gentic diversity as possible. It one thing to get genes of a race, it's another thing to get all the variations of the genes of a race.

Blood samples, skin flakes, saliva, nail clippings, sperm, stem cells, and strands of hair.  All viable methods of acquiring DNA today.  None require violent methods to ensure acquisition.

Exactly.  After the first colony or two, they should have just strapped them down,l start a nutrient IV and start harvesting blood.  Much safer, and possibly quicker

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Nothing about biotics is going to change the human genome in a few generations.

Everything about biotics in ME already di change the human genome. We're their any human that can move things with their mind before biotics...No. They don't even know how to guarrenty the birth of a biotic. The fact they can do thing normal human can'tis a change in human genetics.

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
I recommend a good college course or a week of intense reading of reputable works before making more comments on genetics, sir.

Could you tell me what race is more prone to get sick...

I'm trying to find a civil way of telling you that, going by your posted comments, you don't really understand what is and is not genetic, nor what is actually meant by "genetic diversity", nor what is actually meant by the genome of a species. 

Nothing you've talked about so far involves genetic changes in a species, or in its genetic diversity -- what genes at various locations on the chromosomes do, or in the variations that exist in those genes.  Especially not in the span of a few generations. 

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Of coure it had brian wave. They are making a new being.

Why would a creature without a brain of the sort that organic animals have, have "brainwaves"?

How do you know it does not have a brian?
Reaper clearly have center wills, which you have to have a core or brain to have. They can lose this will as well, example the derlict reaper. It body is still alive but it mind is gone. It obvious it has a brain.

I did not say that a Reaper has no brain, or no mind.  Read again:

"Why would a creature without a brain of the sort that organic animals have, have "brainwaves"?"

Before answering, investigate what brainwaves actually are:  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroencephalography

How strong and powerful a biotic is is genetic. Whether they are exposed to ezno that triggers biotic is another thing. Biotic are genetic.
Servivalbility to a diease is one part genetic as well and another part base on how mauch you are exposed to the dieases.
2 people can get a flu shot but one of them can still get sick while the other does not.  the reason for this is one person has a narually resistance to dieases. A person can go years with out  flu shot and never get sick,while people who taken the shot regulery get sick. The is based on genes. 

[Iakus]

111987 wrote...
There's no confirmation of what an essence of a species is. Until we find out, there's nothing really here to discuss. Maybe they need as much unique human DNA as possible, which is why they can't just clone it. We don't know. So yes you can criticize it as much as you want and there's nothing really people who are defending it can say against you at this point in time.

When ME3 comes out, it might be a different story though. Which is why I am willing to reserve judgement. If you are not, all the power to you.

A pity Shepard didn't, you  know, ask EDI what she meant by that. 

[Someone With Mass]

I honestly thought Liara asking about how Shepard feels about the overall situation was better than any moping about Shep's death. Since asking about death is not achieving much, in my opinion.

[Savber100]

Damn... I use to hate smudboy but now I want to be him. 154 pgs all about MY points? Talk about a big ego boost! ;D

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...


I did not say that a Reaper has no brain, or no mind.  Read again:

"Why would a creature without a brain of the sort that organic animals have, have "brainwaves"?"

Before answering, investigate what brainwaves actually are:  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroencephalography

Organic-cybernetic fusion...
As I said before they are making a reaper out of people, wouldn't making an organic brain be part of it?

[Iakus]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I honestly thought Liara asking about how Shepard feels about the overall situation was better than any moping about Shep's death. Since asking about death is not achieving much, in my opinion.

Liara asking how Shepard was doing was huge.  At least in part because it was pretty much the only time anyone seemed to give a ::expletive:: about Shepard save how he could do something for them.  But there are (or should have been) many potential consequences of death to be dwelled upon, aside from the actual dying.

There's the fact that Shepard's friends and aquaintances have all moved on.  Lonliness and isolation

The fact that in two years the only organization that's listened to Shepard's warnings was Cerberus.  Frustration

There's the cybernetics used to restore Shepard, and what else they might be able to do, or do to Shepard.  Worry

There's the the possibility that for all of Cerberus' efforts, maybe the Shepard they got back isn't the Shepard that left.  Identity issues

Then there's the fact that Shepard will have to face the Collectors again, the same beings that killed him once before.  Confidence.

I am not saying that Shepard should "mope about" this things.  But they are issues that coud have been addressed throughout the game.  The very reason why people brand SHepard's death as a "reset" button is that there is no lasting impact in the game.  It's there, Shepard loses most of his levels, maybe picks up some "awesome" scars and it's off to shoot more bad guys!

Modifié par iakus, 09 septembre 2011 - 06:52 .

[Varen Spectre]

Savber100 wrote...

Damn... I use to hate smudboy but now I want to be him. 154 pgs all about MY points? Talk about a big ego boost! ;D

So, when Mass Effect 3 comes out... you know what to do...

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Nothing about biotics is going to change the human genome in a few generations.

Everything about biotics in ME already di change the human genome. We're their any human that can move things with their mind before biotics...No. They don't even know how to guarrenty the birth of a biotic. The fact they can do thing normal human can'tis a change in human genetics.

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
I recommend a good college course or a week of intense reading of reputable works before making more comments on genetics, sir.

Could you tell me what race is more prone to get sick...

I'm trying to find a civil way of telling you that, going by your posted comments, you don't really understand what is and is not genetic, nor what is actually meant by "genetic diversity", nor what is actually meant by the genome of a species. 

Nothing you've talked about so far involves genetic changes in a species, or in its genetic diversity -- what genes at various locations on the chromosomes do, or in the variations that exist in those genes.  Especially not in the span of a few generations. 

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Of coure it had brian wave. They are making a new being.

Why would a creature without a brain of the sort that organic animals have, have "brainwaves"?

How do you know it does not have a brian?
Reaper clearly have center wills, which you have to have a core or brain to have. They can lose this will as well, example the derlict reaper. It body is still alive but it mind is gone. It obvious it has a brain.

I did not say that a Reaper has no brain, or no mind.  Read again:

"Why would a creature without a brain of the sort that organic animals have, have "brainwaves"?"

Before answering, investigate what brainwaves actually are:  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroencephalography

How strong and powerful a biotic is is genetic. Whether they are exposed to ezno that triggers biotic is another thing. Biotic are genetic.
Servivalbility to a diease is one part genetic as well and another part base on how mauch you are exposed to the dieases.
2 people can get a flu shot but one of them can still get sick while the other does not.  the reason for this is one person has a narually resistance to dieases. A person can go years with out  flu shot and never get sick,while people who taken the shot regulery get sick. The is based on genes. 

No new genes are introduced in the advent of human biotics.  Not one.   No change in the human genome takes place because of the advent of human biotics, especially in the handful of generations there have been human biotics.  

To be absoutely clear -- biotics would not introduce new genes. 

No environmental change introduces new genes, nor does it change the diversity or range of genes for any particular location on any chromosome. 

Please, please, do yourself a huge favor and study the subject before commenting on it any more. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...


I did not say that a Reaper has no brain, or no mind.  Read again:

"Why would a creature without a brain of the sort that organic animals have, have "brainwaves"?"

Before answering, investigate what brainwaves actually are:  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroencephalography

Organic-cybernetic fusion...
As I said before they are making a reaper out of people, wouldn't making an organic brain be part of it?

Organic-cybernetic fusion... that might be lot like saying "ATM machine". 

Given what we do know about the Reapers, given what the Reapers have said about organic life, it's very unlikely that they have, at their core, a giant organic brain, like some kind of spacegoing Zerg hive...

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Nothing about biotics is going to change the human genome in a few generations.

Everything about biotics in ME already di change the human genome. We're their any human that can move things with their mind before biotics...No. They don't even know how to guarrenty the birth of a biotic. The fact they can do thing normal human can'tis a change in human genetics.

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
I recommend a good college course or a week of intense reading of reputable works before making more comments on genetics, sir.

Could you tell me what race is more prone to get sick...

I'm trying to find a civil way of telling you that, going by your posted comments, you don't really understand what is and is not genetic, nor what is actually meant by "genetic diversity", nor what is actually meant by the genome of a species. 

Nothing you've talked about so far involves genetic changes in a species, or in its genetic diversity -- what genes at various locations on the chromosomes do, or in the variations that exist in those genes.  Especially not in the span of a few generations. 

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Of coure it had brian wave. They are making a new being.

Why would a creature without a brain of the sort that organic animals have, have "brainwaves"?

How do you know it does not have a brian?
Reaper clearly have center wills, which you have to have a core or brain to have. They can lose this will as well, example the derlict reaper. It body is still alive but it mind is gone. It obvious it has a brain.

I did not say that a Reaper has no brain, or no mind.  Read again:

"Why would a creature without a brain of the sort that organic animals have, have "brainwaves"?"

Before answering, investigate what brainwaves actually are:  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroencephalography

How strong and powerful a biotic is is genetic. Whether they are exposed to ezno that triggers biotic is another thing. Biotic are genetic.
Servivalbility to a diease is one part genetic as well and another part base on how mauch you are exposed to the dieases.
2 people can get a flu shot but one of them can still get sick while the other does not.  the reason for this is one person has a narually resistance to dieases. A person can go years with out  flu shot and never get sick,while people who taken the shot regulery get sick. The is based on genes. 

No new genes are introduced in the advent of human biotics.  Not one.   No change in the human genome takes place because of the advent of human biotics, especially in the handful of generations there have been human biotics.  

To be absoutely clear -- biotics would not introduce new genes. 

No environmental change introduces new genes, nor does it change the diversity or range of genes for any particular location on any chromosome. 

Please, please, do yourself a huge favor and study the subject before commenting on it any more. 

Environments do change genetic, it's based on how the previous generation handles the evnironment they were in before. This the basics of adaption. If they were no adeption they would be no deversity in race and speices in general.
Boitic would work the same way. In evolution, genetic change is based on environment and mutation. Nothing just changes. This is how we are made devirse in the first place.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
No new genes are introduced in the advent of human biotics.  Not one.   No change in the human genome takes place because of the advent of human biotics, especially in the handful of generations there have been human biotics.  

To be absoutely clear -- biotics would not introduce new genes. 

No environmental change introduces new genes, nor does it change the diversity or range of genes for any particular location on any chromosome. 

Please, please, do yourself a huge favor and study the subject before commenting on it any more. 

Environments do change genetic, it's based on how the previous generation handles the evnironment they were in before. This the basics of adaption. If they were no adeption they would be no deversity in race and speices in general.
Boitic would work the same way. In evolution, genetic change is based on environment and mutation. Nothing just changes. This is how we are made devirse in the first place.

NEW GENES DO NOT MAGICALLY APPEAR AS A RESULT OF ADAPTATION.

Adaptation does not change the genome of a species, it does not add new genes.  It only alters the frequency of particular variants of specific genes over time. 

Nothing about the advent of biotics, or the effects of a disease, or any other environmental pressure, changes what genes are present in the genome of a species -- unless it wipes out all the members of that species that carry that gene.  

NEW GENES DO NOT MAGICALLY APPEAR AS A RESULT OF ADAPTATION.

**sigh**

The Reapers do not  need to kidnap millions and render them to goo in order to obtain all the genes in the human genome. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 09 septembre 2011 - 07:26 .

[Someone With Mass]

iakus wrote...

Liara asking how Shepard was doing was huge.  At least in part because it was pretty much the only time anyone seemed to give a ::expletive:: about Shepard save how he could do something for them.  But there are (or should have been) many potential consequences of death to be dwelled upon, aside from the actual dying.

There's the fact that Shepard's friends and aquaintances have all moved on.  Lonliness and isolation

The fact that in two years the only organization that's listened to Shepard's warnings was Cerberus.  Frustration

There's the cybernetics used to restore Shepard, and what else they might be able to do, or do to Shepard.  Worry

There's the the possibility that for all of Cerberus' efforts, maybe the Shepard they got back isn't the Shepard that left.  Identity issues

Then there's the fact that Shepard will have to face the Collectors again, the same beings that killed him once before.  Confidence.

I am not saying that Shepard should "mope about" this things.  But they are issues that coud have been addressed throughout the game.  The very reason why people brand SHepard's death as a "reset" button is that there is no lasting impact in the game.  It's there, Shepard loses most of his levels, maybe picks up some "awesome" scars and it's off to shoot more bad guys!

True, but it's not like the game just falls apart if these issues aren't addressed that much. It'd been nice if it was done a little better, but I'm not going to complain if it isn't.

I got some moments here and there, and I think that's good enough.

If Shepard was acting like a real human, he would with most certainty suffer from a severe case of PTSD. I don't think that would've helped the game in any way.

[Someone With Mass]

Also, there's nothing that says that the human Reaper is the real reason why the Reapers are harvesting organics, since it was a pure speculation on EDI's part.