Remember mordin statement of human deversity on his loyalty mission. That's why the harvest mountians of people of a spieces, to get as much as the spieces gentic diversity as possible. It one thing to get genes of a race, it's another thing to get all the variations of the genes of a race.
Blood samples, skin flakes, saliva, nail clippings, sperm, stem cells, and strands of hair. All viable methods of acquiring DNA today. None require violent methods to ensure acquisition.
Your also forgeting the fact they want to make us into a reaper. Not just take are gnetic details.
What makes you think they want "us" to be like "them" if "they" turn "us" into "paste"? Where are "we" when that happens?
Remember mordin statement of human deversity on his loyalty mission. That's why the harvest mountians of people of a spieces, to get as much as the spieces gentic diversity as possible. It one thing to get genes of a race, it's another thing to get all the variations of the genes of a race.
Blood samples, skin flakes, saliva, nail clippings, sperm, stem cells, and strands of hair. All viable methods of acquiring DNA today. None require violent methods to ensure acquisition.
Your also forgeting the fact they want to make us into a reaper. Not just take are gnetic details.
What makes you think they want "us" to be like "them" if "they" turn "us" into "paste"? Where are "we" when that happens?
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And as I said...the ego does not matter. They want use as Endothelial Cells.
The odds of a new and viable mutation occuring in a single generation of ****** sapiens sapiens is very very small, and with the rate of human reproduction, it would take forever to spread...
Actually, although the rate per nucleotide is fairly small, we have a lot of nucleotides. As a consequence, we're all carrying quite a few novel mutations. Most are neutral though.
The odds of a new and viable mutation occuring in a single generation of ****** sapiens sapiens is very very small, and with the rate of human reproduction, it would take forever to spread...
Actually, although the rate per nucleotide is fairly small, we have a lot of nucleotides. As a consequence, we're all carrying quite a few novel mutations. Most are neutral though.
....Oh ,we know....
Modifié par dreman9999, 09 septembre 2011 - 10:21 .
Remember mordin statement of human deversity on his loyalty mission. That's why the harvest mountians of people of a spieces, to get as much as the spieces gentic diversity as possible. It one thing to get genes of a race, it's another thing to get all the variations of the genes of a race.
Blood samples, skin flakes, saliva, nail clippings, sperm, stem cells, and strands of hair. All viable methods of acquiring DNA today. None require violent methods to ensure acquisition.
Your also forgeting the fact they want to make us into a reaper. Not just take are gnetic details.
What makes you think they want "us" to be like "them" if "they" turn "us" into "paste"? Where are "we" when that happens?
...
And as I said...the ego does not matter. They want use as Endothelial Cells.
I seriously don't understand what you're saying then.
And now you're saying they want to use us as endothelial cells? This is more speculation. Nothing is presented along that vein at all. So I don't know where you're getting this.
Remember mordin statement of human deversity on his loyalty mission. That's why the harvest mountians of people of a spieces, to get as much as the spieces gentic diversity as possible. It one thing to get genes of a race, it's another thing to get all the variations of the genes of a race.
Blood samples, skin flakes, saliva, nail clippings, sperm, stem cells, and strands of hair. All viable methods of acquiring DNA today. None require violent methods to ensure acquisition.
Your also forgeting the fact they want to make us into a reaper. Not just take are gnetic details.
What makes you think they want "us" to be like "them" if "they" turn "us" into "paste"? Where are "we" when that happens?
...
And as I said...the ego does not matter. They want use as Endothelial Cells.
I seriously don't understand what you're saying then.
And now you're saying they want to use us as endothelial cells? This is more speculation. Nothing is presented along that vein at all. So I don't know where you're getting this.
That's not a speculation at all. Endothelial Cells are building blocks of the body, genes are the blue print. If they want to make into reapers then they have to turn us like the building blocks of cells, hence the blender of bodies. They take the goo to the reaper body to be part of the assembly. That's what the whole twist was about. They want to turn humanity to reapers. The very fact the use us as part of making a reaper by make goo out of us mean they want us as Endothelial Cells.
Modifié par dreman9999, 09 septembre 2011 - 11:02 .
NONE of which changes the span of the human genome. You keep talking about things that change the FRQUENCY of genes, and ignoring the simple fact that none of them ADD genes.
Genetic Variation Without genetic variation, some of the basic mechanisms of evolutionary change cannot operate. There are three primary sources of genetic variation, which we will learn more about:
Mutations are changes in the DNA. A single mutation can have a large effect, but in many cases, evolutionary change is based on the accumulation of many mutations.
Gene flow is any movement of genes from one population to another and is an important source of genetic variation.
Sex can introduce new gene combinations into a population. This genetic shuffling is another important source of genetic variation.
Holy crap. NONE of that changes where you're wrong.
NONE of that changes the actual gene variations that exist in a species, and to capture the entire genetic diversity, the entire genome of a species, you just need to have all the possible variations sampled ONCE. That's it. Drift, frequency, subpopulations, etc, NONE of that matters.
The only source of new genes in a species that you have listed there is mutation, and that only occurs when the mutation takes place in very specific reproductive cells, and the vast, vast majority of mutations occur in meaningless junk segments, or are non-viable. The odds of a new and viable mutation occuring in a single generation of ****** sapiens sapiens is very very small, and with the rate of human reproduction, it would take forever to spread -- assuming a birthrate of 2 offspring per parent and an average generational time of 25 years, in ~175 years, that's a hypothetical maximum of 128 people out of billions and billions who have that new variation of that gene -- and in truth, it's a lot less than that because not every child gets a copy in each generation. If the Reapers care about genes that damn rare, they're going to need to just go ahead and render down every single human being in existance.
Sheesh.
And that still doesn't make you right about the range of possible genes that any one human being could have changing in a handful of generations.
You keep repeating the the same irrelevent facts as if they're suddenly going to become relevent and somehow make you right, and they never are.
You can talk all you want about how the distribution of genes changes over time, and that won't change the actual span of the variation, or the number of variants of any particular gene that actually exist.
The ability to identify genes and what they encode for and variations of those genes is accelerating, while the rate of new genes appearing is still constant and glacially slow. There is absolutely no reason to think that we won't catch up and identify all human genes and their variants sometime in the next 175 years.
In terms of gathering the full span of genetic variance for any species, there would be no need for anyone to have any more than a full map of the genome and all possible variants of each gene for that species. Anything else that the Reapers or anyone else would want to take would be for some purpose beyond that.
Why do you keep trying to insist that it takes more than knowing what each gene codes for and what all the possible variants are for all the genes? There is literally no other information that you need.
Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 09 septembre 2011 - 11:25 .
Endothelial Cells are building blocks of the body, genes are the blue print.
Um, no. Endothelial cells are simply one of many, many different types of cell in the human body. And DNA is not a blueprint. That's a horrible analogy that deserves a swift death. It's also not an algorithm, or a language or a lot of the other oversimplified catch-phrases people like to use in popular science journalism. Probably the best of the common analogies is that it's like a recipe, but even that is misleading.
I seriously don't understand what you're saying then.
And now you're saying they want to use us as endothelial cells? This is more speculation. Nothing is presented along that vein at all. So I don't know where you're getting this.
That's not a speculation at all. Endothelial Cells are building blocks of the body, genes are the blue print. If they want to make into reapers then they have to turn us like the building blocks of cells, hence the blender of bodies. They take the goo to the reaper body to be part of the assembly. That's what the whole twist was about. They want to turn humanity to reapers. The very fact the use us as part of making a reaper by make goo out of us mean they want us as Endothelial Cells.
Where is this shown? What hints are we given that back up your conclusion?
Remember mordin statement of human deversity on his loyalty mission. That's why the harvest mountians of people of a spieces, to get as much as the spieces gentic diversity as possible. It one thing to get genes of a race, it's another thing to get all the variations of the genes of a race.
Blood samples, skin flakes, saliva, nail clippings, sperm, stem cells, and strands of hair. All viable methods of acquiring DNA today. None require violent methods to ensure acquisition.
Your also forgeting the fact they want to make us into a reaper. Not just take are gnetic details.
What makes you think they want "us" to be like "them" if "they" turn "us" into "paste"? Where are "we" when that happens?
...
And as I said...the ego does not matter. They want use as Endothelial Cells.
They want the cells that line the blood vessels in the human body?
The Interloper wrote... I find it absolutly hilarious that people spend hours arguing about every fragment of lore.
I'm just frustrated with someone who picked up some SCFY science and can't spell his way out of a paper bag going on and on as if he's figured out the science behind Reapers... they want us for our blood vessel linings!
Don't let anyone take your blood vessel linings, they contain your essence!
Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 09 septembre 2011 - 11:33 .
NONE of which changes the span of the human genome. You keep talking about things that change the FRQUENCY of genes, and ignoring the simple fact that none of them ADD genes.
Genetic Variation Without genetic variation, some of the basic mechanisms of evolutionary change cannot operate. There are three primary sources of genetic variation, which we will learn more about:
Mutations are changes in the DNA. A single mutation can have a large effect, but in many cases, evolutionary change is based on the accumulation of many mutations.
Gene flow is any movement of genes from one population to another and is an important source of genetic variation.
Sex can introduce new gene combinations into a population. This genetic shuffling is another important source of genetic variation.
Holy crap. NONE of that changes where you're wrong.
NONE of that changes the actual gene variations that exist in a species, and to capture the entire genetic diversity, the entire genome of a species, you just need to have all the possible variations sampled ONCE. That's it. Drift, frequency, subpopulations, etc, NONE of that matters.
The only source of new genes in a species that you have listed there is mutation, and that only occurs when the mutation takes place in very specific reproductive cells, and the vast, vast majority of mutations occur in meaningless junk segments, or are non-viable. The odds of a new and viable mutation occuring in a single generation of ****** sapiens sapiens is very very small, and with the rate of human reproduction, it would take forever to spread -- assuming a birthrate of 2 offspring per parent and an average generational time of 25 years, in ~175 years, that's a hypothetical maximum of 128 people out of billions and billions who have that new variation of that gene -- and in truth, it's a lot less than that because not every child gets a copy in each generation. If the Reapers care about genes that damn rare, they're going to need to just go ahead and render down every single human being in existance.
Sheesh.
And that still doesn't make you right about the range of possible genes that any one human being could have changing in a handful of generations.
You keep repeating the the same irrelevent facts as if they're suddenly going to become relevent and somehow make you right, and they never are.
You can talk all you want about how the distribution of genes changes over time, and that won't change the actual span of the variation, or the number of variants of any particular gene that actually exist.
The ability to identify genes and what they encode for and variations of those genes is accelerating, while the rate of new genes appearing is still constant and glacially slow. There is absolutely no reason to think that we won't catch up and identify all human genes and their variants sometime in the next 175 years.
In terms of gathering the full span of genetic variance for any species, there would be no need for anyone to have any more than a full map of the genome and all possible variants of each gene for that species. Anything else that the Reapers or anyone else would want to take would be for some purpose beyond that.
Why do you keep trying to insist that it takes more than knowing what each gene codes for and what all the possible variants are for all the genes? There is literally no other information that you need.
Biotic in itself is a mutation. That's the new change. The mutation happens in the embreo. Heck, from the people who study genes themselves state that mutation is common . The only thing is that most of it is garbage code. Genetic flow adds to this by combining isolated gene strain so they mutate together, making more variations. Which is my point......the fact that we are combining together as a raceand the fact the we are isoloting ourself with coloney create gene veriaty. Biotics being one of them.....Based on what the expert said, and I sat though him whole explination.
The Interloper wrote... I find it absolutly hilarious that people spend hours arguing about every fragment of lore.
I'm just frustrated with someone who picked up some SCFY science and can't spell his way out of a paper bag going on and on as if he's figured out the science behind Reapers... they want us for our blood vessel linings!
Don't let anyone take your blood vessel linings, they contain your essence!
"I can no longer sit back and allow... Reaper infiltration, Reaper indoctrination, Reaper subversion, and the intergalactic Reaper conspiracy... to sap and impurify... all our precious bodily fluids!"
Remember mordin statement of human deversity on his loyalty mission. That's why the harvest mountians of people of a spieces, to get as much as the spieces gentic diversity as possible. It one thing to get genes of a race, it's another thing to get all the variations of the genes of a race.
Blood samples, skin flakes, saliva, nail clippings, sperm, stem cells, and strands of hair. All viable methods of acquiring DNA today. None require violent methods to ensure acquisition.
Your also forgeting the fact they want to make us into a reaper. Not just take are gnetic details.
What makes you think they want "us" to be like "them" if "they" turn "us" into "paste"? Where are "we" when that happens?
...
And as I said...the ego does not matter. They want use as Endothelial Cells.
They want the cells that line the blood vessels in the human body?
... what?
Eukaryotic cells.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(biology)#Eukaryotic_cells Plants, animals, fungi, slime moulds, protozoa, & algae are all Eukaryotic. These cells are about 15 times wider than a typical prokaryote and can be as much as 1000 times greater in volume. The major difference between prokaryotes and eukaryotes is that eukaryotic cells contain membrane-bound compartments in which specific metabolic activities take place. Most important among these is a cell nucleus, a membrane-delineated compartment that houses the eukaryotic cell's DNA. This nucleus gives the eukaryote its name, which means "true nucleus." .... AKA all the cells in your body are Eukaryotic cells. ...I put the wrong name..
Modifié par dreman9999, 09 septembre 2011 - 11:45 .
AKA all the cells in your body are Eukaryotic cells. ...I put the wrong name..
Actually, in terms of numbers, we have many, many more prokaryotic cells in (and on) our bodies than we have eukaryotic ones. And they're not just freeloaders either.
This thread is quite amusing I must admit, especially Dreman's constant defense of ME2's poorly written main plot. Keep up the good work guys.
I find it that no one sussesfully countered my arguement quit funny.
Are you insane?
Your arguments have been sliced to ribbons.
Which ones? The"radiation is effecting your shield generator on haelstorm, not attacking you shield directly" point I made was in my favor. The "TIM brought Shepard back to be used as a pawn to push human past the other races and ensure human servival and domainace" point I made was found as true. I pointed out that the plan TIm had was not done in the begining. Shepard was not brought back to face the collector generaly. The human reaper was not going to be finish untill afterthe reaper invaision stated was one of my points. I put the detail from lore of hat can or can not be stopped by a mass effect field....Slow movement were not one of them. I put harbingers comment that they want to turn people into reapers. ..... So far no one could prove me wrong on these points...So, inthe end no one has countered my points.
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