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[dreman9999]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
You know, I'd love to see you make an actual argument without linking to the videos we all already know of.

That's the point,  If we allready got a series of videos dedicated to this problem then why would i want to waste my time on creating arguments just because you would like me to do?

Then...Why areyou even posting? If the videos make your agument to apoint of not having to prove anything, why post anything in this topic?

[Fixers0]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

That's the point,  If we allready got a series of videos dedicated to this problem then why would i want to waste my time on creating arguments just because you would like me to do?

Because I apparently did the mistake of assuming that you had a different viewpoint than Smugboy.

But if you don't, then there's really no point for you to post anything in this thread.
 

I don't no any Smugboy.

And about those videos, i don't always agree with every that's said in them, i also don't really think that Mass Effect 2 isn't bad game per se, it's merly disapointing when put in context, however i do think that those videos most Smudboy's videios were able to point out major flaws in the writing department. 

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
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And with that stated, Haelstrom has yet to truely be effected by particle radiation becuse the atmosphere is not like Venus.
What I put down states that everytime  particle radiation passed matter, it loses radiation. So being it the particale truely effected  Haelstorm, Haelstrom would be like Venus due to the fact that the increased heat expands mass of elements. The gas of the planet would thicken the atmosphere, meaning more matter for Particale radiation to hit to loss power. This would mean even less particle radiation on the Surface on the planet.
......

Now you're just talking out of your butt.  Stop.

No,I'm not...So your say heated elemets don't expand and rise? I mean you see it all the time when you boil water.
So why can't that happen to every thing on Haestrom if it's hit with a super high amount of particale radiation. We already know it's an earth levelplanet, so why hasn't the elements of that planet chock out the aatmosphere in mass due to heat? Please tell me=] ? Venus is an examle of what would happen.

[Killjoy Cutter]

It is a touch ironic that some of the people who like to just post links to Smudboy videos are also quick to call anyone who doesn't trash the writing on ME2 a "fanboy".

[ThePwener]

Is there anything good coming out of this thread? I swear I came into this thread 2 days ago and saw the same "smugboy" post above me......

[Fixers0]

dreman9999 wrote...

Then...Why areyou even posting? If the videos make your agument to apoint of not having to prove anything, why post anything in this topic?

Because I see a lot of biased unfair attacks on his videos that for the most part aren't based on objective observations from his videos or  Mass Effect 2, therefore i'm here to convince you that you and others should stop their fanboy assault and actually take a look at both them of them. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
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And with that stated, Haelstrom has yet to truely be effected by particle radiation becuse the atmosphere is not like Venus.
What I put down states that everytime  particle radiation passed matter, it loses radiation. So being it the particale truely effected  Haelstorm, Haelstrom would be like Venus due to the fact that the increased heat expands mass of elements. The gas of the planet would thicken the atmosphere, meaning more matter for Particale radiation to hit to loss power. This would mean even less particle radiation on the Surface on the planet.
......

Now you're just talking out of your butt.  Stop.

No,I'm not...So your say heated elemets don't expand and rise? I mean you see it all the time when you boil water.
So why can't that happen to every thing on Haestrom if it's hit with a super high amount of particale radiation. We already know it's an earth levelplanet, so why hasn't the elements of that planet chock out the aatmosphere in mass due to heat? Please tell me=] ? Venus is an examle of what would happen.

If you'd read the article at your own link, you'd have noticed the fact that Venus actualy LOSES atmosphere to the effects of particle radiation.  It's dense and hot for entirely different reasons.  The effects of particle radiation on an atmosphere don't include significant heating, no matter how much sense it makes to you that it would happen. 

When citing something like Wikipedia, it always helps to read the entire section. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 11 septembre 2011 - 01:39 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Fixers0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Then...Why areyou even posting? If the videos make your agument to apoint of not having to prove anything, why post anything in this topic?

Because I see a lot of biased unfair attacks on his videos that for the most part aren't based on objective observations from his videos or  Mass Effect 2, therefore i'm here to convince you that you and others should stop their fanboy assault and actually take a look at both them of them. 

So a Smudboy fan comes and tells people to stop being ME2 "fanboys"? 




"There's nothing wrong with ME2, some of you are just biased and ignorant!"

"There's nothing wrong with Smudboy's critiques, some of you are just biased and ignorant!"

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 11 septembre 2011 - 01:43 .

[Fixers0]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Then...Why areyou even posting? If the videos make your agument to apoint of not having to prove anything, why post anything in this topic?

Because I see a lot of biased unfair attacks on his videos that for the most part aren't based on objective observations from his videos or  Mass Effect 2, therefore i'm here to convince you that you and others should stop their fanboy assault and actually take a look at both them of them. 

So a Smudboy fan comes and tells people to stop being ME2 "fanboys"? 

Unfortuantly Smudboy actually provides Arguments, Fanboy's useally don't they fall into a list of basic excuses that aren't supported by any objective observation, and noboy really botherd challenging his points anyway, so what's the point?  

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"There's nothing wrong with ME2, some of you are just biased and ignorant!"

"There's nothing wrong with Smudboy's critiques, some of you are just biased and ignorant!"

Sadly this seems to becoming true.

Modifié par Fixers0, 11 septembre 2011 - 01:43 .

[ThePwener]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Then...Why areyou even posting? If the videos make your agument to apoint of not having to prove anything, why post anything in this topic?

Because I see a lot of biased unfair attacks on his videos that for the most part aren't based on objective observations from his videos or  Mass Effect 2, therefore i'm here to convince you that you and others should stop their fanboy assault and actually take a look at both them of them. 

So a Smudboy fan comes and tells people to stop being ME2 "fanboys"? 

Killjoy, that is exactly why I don't waste my time with these threads anymore. Smudboy was a dumb moron who got banned from the BSN for being a dumb moron. His followers are no matter. Those damn videos are as bad as a legacy as Fox is.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Fixers0 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Then...Why areyou even posting? If the videos make your agument to apoint of not having to prove anything, why post anything in this topic?

Because I see a lot of biased unfair attacks on his videos that for the most part aren't based on objective observations from his videos or  Mass Effect 2, therefore i'm here to convince you that you and others should stop their fanboy assault and actually take a look at both them of them. 

So a Smudboy fan comes and tells people to stop being ME2 "fanboys"? 

Unfortuantly Smudboy actually provides Arguments, Fanboy's useally don't they fall into a list of basic excuses that aren't supported by any objective observation, and noboy really botherd challenging his points anyway, so what's the point?  

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"There's nothing wrong with ME2, some of you are just biased and ignorant!"

"There's nothing wrong with Smudboy's critiques, some of you are just biased and ignorant!"

Sadly this seems to becoming true.

Every time Smudboy/you call the people who don't agree with Smudboy/you "fanboys", Smudboy's/your argument gets another -1 in the book.

If Smudboy's/your arguements had merit on their own, Smudboy/you wouldn't need to call anyone "fanboy". 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 11 septembre 2011 - 01:47 .

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
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And with that stated, Haelstrom has yet to truely be effected by particle radiation becuse the atmosphere is not like Venus.
What I put down states that everytime  particle radiation passed matter, it loses radiation. So being it the particale truely effected  Haelstorm, Haelstrom would be like Venus due to the fact that the increased heat expands mass of elements. The gas of the planet would thicken the atmosphere, meaning more matter for Particale radiation to hit to loss power. This would mean even less particle radiation on the Surface on the planet.
......

Now you're just talking out of your butt.  Stop.

No,I'm not...So your say heated elemets don't expand and rise? I mean you see it all the time when you boil water.
So why can't that happen to every thing on Haestrom if it's hit with a super high amount of particale radiation. We already know it's an earth levelplanet, so why hasn't the elements of that planet chock out the aatmosphere in mass due to heat? Please tell me=] ? Venus is an examle of what would happen.

If you'd read the article at your own link, you'd have noticed the fact that Venus actualy LOSES atmosphere to the effects of particle radiation.  It's dense and hot for entirely different reasons.  The effects of particle radiation on an atmosphere don't include significant heating, no matter how much sense it makes to you that it would happen. 

When citing something like Wikipedia, it always helps to read the entire section. 

Yes, I know. That because it has 1 layer of protection. It has no magneticsphere with only an
ionosphere to protect it. It's a good example of what would happen when a planets magneticsphere is overwhelmed. Haelstrom was with in a common star before the geth unprising...which was 300 years ago...Not enough time for a planet to total lose or even be majorly effected by a lack of particale radiation protection. Haestrom still hasa magneticsphere, which can't keep everything out and being over whelmed, and Venus ihas been with out one for millions of years and it still has an atmosphere.
Haelstrom would not lose it's atmosphere in less than 300 years.

Modifié par dreman9999, 11 septembre 2011 - 02:27 .

[dreman9999]

Fixers0 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Then...Why areyou even posting? If the videos make your agument to apoint of not having to prove anything, why post anything in this topic?

Because I see a lot of biased unfair attacks on his videos that for the most part aren't based on objective observations from his videos or  Mass Effect 2, therefore i'm here to convince you that you and others should stop their fanboy assault and actually take a look at both them of them. 

So a Smudboy fan comes and tells people to stop being ME2 "fanboys"? 

Unfortuantly Smudboy actually provides Arguments, Fanboy's useally don't they fall into a list of basic excuses that aren't supported by any objective observation, and noboy really botherd challenging his points anyway, so what's the point?  

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"There's nothing wrong with ME2, some of you are just biased and ignorant!"

"There's nothing wrong with Smudboy's critiques, some of you are just biased and ignorant!"

Sadly this seems to becoming true.

And I havn't been doing it. I offered an explination for every plothole he bring up and I can't beconsidered for it becauseyou don't like what I'm saying.<_<

[111987]

This whole 'particle radiation' debate is a little ridiculous. It is obviously not what the writer's had in mind when writing the Haestrom level; otherwise, why not just say it? dreman9999, you're just making stuff up now, and even if it made scientific sense, wasn't stated or suggested anywhere in game.

Seriously guys, it's supposed to be a interesting game play mechanic that your shields lower if you are out in the sunlight. Like how in the Collector Base with the seeker swarms if you lose your shields and step out into the swarm, you aren't instantly carried away. People can scream plot-hole or retcon at that and Haestrom all they want, but it's such a small thing it really doesn't make a difference at all. That is just being nit-picky. It's the same with Jacob's loyalty mission having thermal clips; who really cares? If you care so much about that, then I'm afraid you're a little too immersed into the game. It's a game-play mechanic; how stupid would that level be if you didn't get any ammo for your guns? And for those who argue 'well why don't we pick up one of their guns'; a). then they would have to add the ability for Shepard to pick up EVERY gun in the game and . they would have to create a whole new ammo system...for a 15 minute mission. Just, no.

The only plot-holes people should care about are ones that actually affect enjoyment of the story, like the shuttle ride to nowhere, or the lack of explanation and contemplation of Shepard's death, for example.

[The Interloper]

111987 wrote...

This whole 'particle radiation' debate is a little ridiculous. It is obviously not what the writer's had in mind when writing the Haestrom level; otherwise, why not just say it? dreman9999, you're just making stuff up now, and even if it made scientific sense, wasn't stated or suggested anywhere in game.

Seriously guys, it's supposed to be a interesting game play mechanic that your shields lower if you are out in the sunlight. Like how in the Collector Base with the seeker swarms if you lose your shields and step out into the swarm, you aren't instantly carried away. People can scream plot-hole or retcon at that and Haestrom all they want, but it's such a small thing it really doesn't make a difference at all. That is just being nit-picky. It's the same with Jacob's loyalty mission having thermal clips; who really cares? If you care so much about that, then I'm afraid you're a little too immersed into the game. It's a game-play mechanic; how stupid would that level be if you didn't get any ammo for your guns? And for those who argue 'well why don't we pick up one of their guns'; a). then they would have to add the ability for Shepard to pick up EVERY gun in the game and . they would have to create a whole new ammo system...for a 15 minute mission. Just, no.

The only plot-holes people should care about are ones that actually affect enjoyment of the story, like the shuttle ride to nowhere, or the lack of explanation and contemplation of Shepard's death, for example.

That. Spazzing out over every bit of lore isn't worth it. Hell, Smudboy even brushes off most of the plotholes in ME1, though for some reason similar problems in ME2 make him angry.

The only things that are really important are the death, the collector ship, the shuttle ride and the human reaper, since they're vital to the plot. And I'd argue that only some of those are real issues-I don't get the fuss about the HR.

Modifié par The Interloper, 11 septembre 2011 - 04:47 .

[dreman9999]

111987 wrote...

This whole 'particle radiation' debate is a little ridiculous. It is obviously not what the writer's had in mind when writing the Haestrom level; otherwise, why not just say it? dreman9999, you're just making stuff up now, and even if it made scientific sense, wasn't stated or suggested anywhere in game.

Seriously guys, it's supposed to be a interesting game play mechanic that your shields lower if you are out in the sunlight. Like how in the Collector Base with the seeker swarms if you lose your shields and step out into the swarm, you aren't instantly carried away. People can scream plot-hole or retcon at that and Haestrom all they want, but it's such a small thing it really doesn't make a difference at all. That is just being nit-picky. It's the same with Jacob's loyalty mission having thermal clips; who really cares? If you care so much about that, then I'm afraid you're a little too immersed into the game. It's a game-play mechanic; how stupid would that level be if you didn't get any ammo for your guns? And for those who argue 'well why don't we pick up one of their guns'; a). then they would have to add the ability for Shepard to pick up EVERY gun in the game and . they would have to create a whole new ammo system...for a 15 minute mission. Just, no.

The only plot-holes people should care about are ones that actually affect enjoyment of the story, like the shuttle ride to nowhere, or the lack of explanation and contemplation of Shepard's death, for example.

I know. But the thing is they did go out of the way to make that mission right. I mean,they even coded Grunts armor to not be effected by the sunlight on that mission. They went in detail.

[Sgt Stryker]

The Interloper wrote...

That. Spazzing out over every bit of lore isn't worth it. Hell, Smudboy even brushes off most of the plotholes in ME1, though for some reason similar problems in ME2 make him angry.

One of the things that annoyed him was the dead asari that still had blinking eyes (on Samara's mission?). I believe this is in the Gameplay & Story Segregation series. Sure, it's annoying when you see it. Sure, it's something that ideally would have been caught in the testing phase before release. The key word in that last sentence, of course, is "ideally." Sometimes small bugs sneak past the QA people, it's a fact of game development. Is it a game-breaker and should players pull their hair out and get aneurisms over it? Of course not!

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 11 septembre 2011 - 06:07 .

[dreman9999]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

The Interloper wrote...

That. Spazzing out over every bit of lore isn't worth it. Hell, Smudboy even brushes off most of the plotholes in ME1, though for some reason similar problems in ME2 make him angry.

One of the things that annoyed him was the dead asari that still had blinking eyes (on Samara's mission?). I believe this is in the Gameplay & Story Segregation series. Sure, it's annoying when you see it. Sure, it's something that ideally would have been caught in the testing phase before release. The key word in that last sentence, of course, is "ideally." Sometimes small bugs sneak past the QA people, it's a fact of game development. Is it a game-breaker and should players pull their hair out and get aneurisms over it? Of course not!

Your still alive after you have a broken neck.......It takes time to die from it, aka no air to brain. They only time you'll have an instat death is a blow t the back of the head, or a critial hit to the heart.

[Someone With Mass]

Sgt Stryker wrote...
One of the things that annoyed him was the dead asari that still had blinking eyes (on Samara's mission?). I believe this is in the Gameplay & Story Segregation series. Sure, it's annoying when you see it. Sure, it's something that ideally would have been caught in the testing phase before release. The key word in that last sentence, of course, is "ideally." Sometimes small bugs sneak past the QA people, it's a fact of game development. Is it a game-breaker and should players pull their hair out and get aneurisms over it? Of course not!

I honestly didn't notice it until someone pointed it out.

[dreman9999]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...
One of the things that annoyed him was the dead asari that still had blinking eyes (on Samara's mission?). I believe this is in the Gameplay & Story Segregation series. Sure, it's annoying when you see it. Sure, it's something that ideally would have been caught in the testing phase before release. The key word in that last sentence, of course, is "ideally." Sometimes small bugs sneak past the QA people, it's a fact of game development. Is it a game-breaker and should players pull their hair out and get aneurisms over it? Of course not!

It happened with Benezia in ME1.

I'm not sure about the one on Samara's loyalty mission.

Tali's dad also "blinks" when he's dead, too.

[Someone With Mass]

dreman9999 wrote...
Tali's dad also "blinks" when he's dead, too.

Wow, really?

I hope they'll fix that, thought it's not something to go all out rant rage over.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
................
And with that stated, Haelstrom has yet to truely be effected by particle radiation becuse the atmosphere is not like Venus.
What I put down states that everytime  particle radiation passed matter, it loses radiation. So being it the particale truely effected  Haelstorm, Haelstrom would be like Venus due to the fact that the increased heat expands mass of elements. The gas of the planet would thicken the atmosphere, meaning more matter for Particale radiation to hit to loss power. This would mean even less particle radiation on the Surface on the planet.
......

Now you're just talking out of your butt.  Stop.

No,I'm not...So your say heated elemets don't expand and rise? I mean you see it all the time when you boil water.
So why can't that happen to every thing on Haestrom if it's hit with a super high amount of particale radiation. We already know it's an earth levelplanet, so why hasn't the elements of that planet chock out the aatmosphere in mass due to heat? Please tell me=] ? Venus is an examle of what would happen.

If you'd read the article at your own link, you'd have noticed the fact that Venus actualy LOSES atmosphere to the effects of particle radiation.  It's dense and hot for entirely different reasons.  The effects of particle radiation on an atmosphere don't include significant heating, no matter how much sense it makes to you that it would happen. 

When citing something like Wikipedia, it always helps to read the entire section. 

Yes, I know. That because it has 1 layer of protection. It has no magneticsphere with only an
ionosphere to protect it. It's a good example of what would happen when a planets magneticsphere is overwhelmed. Haelstrom was with in a common star before the geth unprising...which was 300 years ago...Not enough time for a planet to total lose or even be majorly effected by a lack of particale radiation protection. Haestrom still hasa magneticsphere, which can't keep everything out and being over whelmed, and Venus ihas been with out one for millions of years and it still has an atmosphere.
Haelstrom would not lose it's atmosphere in less than 300 years.

**facepalm**

I didn't say that Haestrom should have lost its atmosphere.  I said that bombardment by particle radiation doesn't make an atmosphere dense and hot. 


And... Haestrom was IN the star?  What are you talking about? 

[Killjoy Cutter]

111987 wrote...

This whole 'particle radiation' debate is a little ridiculous. It is obviously not what the writer's had in mind when writing the Haestrom level; otherwise, why not just say it? dreman9999, you're just making stuff up now, and even if it made scientific sense, wasn't stated or suggested anywhere in game.

Seriously guys, it's supposed to be a interesting game play mechanic that your shields lower if you are out in the sunlight. Like how in the Collector Base with the seeker swarms if you lose your shields and step out into the swarm, you aren't instantly carried away. People can scream plot-hole or retcon at that and Haestrom all they want, but it's such a small thing it really doesn't make a difference at all. That is just being nit-picky. It's the same with Jacob's loyalty mission having thermal clips; who really cares? If you care so much about that, then I'm afraid you're a little too immersed into the game. It's a game-play mechanic; how stupid would that level be if you didn't get any ammo for your guns? And for those who argue 'well why don't we pick up one of their guns'; a). then they would have to add the ability for Shepard to pick up EVERY gun in the game and . they would have to create a whole new ammo system...for a 15 minute mission. Just, no.

The only plot-holes people should care about are ones that actually affect enjoyment of the story, like the shuttle ride to nowhere, or the lack of explanation and contemplation of Shepard's death, for example.

It only came up because I used the effect that stellar particle radiation has on kinetic barriers as an example of the barriers being able to interact with particle radiation, as a counter to someone claiming otherwise. 

And it makes perfect sense that the kinetic barriers in armor would interact with particle radiation -- particle radiation consists of very small objects moving very very fast!

For some reason, a couple of people have their undies in a major knot over even the idea that the effect on Haestrom is due to stellar particle radiation from the star.   Even though it matches the codex entry and the observed effects perfectly. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 11 septembre 2011 - 07:20 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Then...Why areyou even posting? If the videos make your agument to apoint of not having to prove anything, why post anything in this topic?

Because I see a lot of biased unfair attacks on his videos that for the most part aren't based on objective observations from his videos or  Mass Effect 2, therefore i'm here to convince you that you and others should stop their fanboy assault and actually take a look at both them of them. 

So a Smudboy fan comes and tells people to stop being ME2 "fanboys"? 

Unfortuantly Smudboy actually provides Arguments, Fanboy's useally don't they fall into a list of basic excuses that aren't supported by any objective observation, and noboy really botherd challenging his points anyway, so what's the point?  

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"There's nothing wrong with ME2, some of you are just biased and ignorant!"

"There's nothing wrong with Smudboy's critiques, some of you are just biased and ignorant!"

Sadly this seems to becoming true.

And I havn't been doing it. I offered an explination for every plothole he bring up and I can't beconsidered for it becauseyou don't like what I'm saying.<_<

And yet somehow, you assumed I was talking about you. 

Hmmm....