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Modifié par Guldhun2, 12 septembre 2011 - 11:00 .
dreman9999 wrote...
Which is why if you look in the lore, everything matches up with the plot.Fixers0 wrote...
In Exile wrote...
Are people writing about all the BS science in ME? God, after all the "**** you biology!" from ME1, people still take ME science seriously?
Actually Smudboy adresses this point in his first and last resonse in his response to Sqee's videos, here is the actual quote:''In Regards to me using science or others trying to explain how things work with math, that's done because of the poor storytelling or the poor exposition of the fiction which happens to be science.
There is nothing stopping a writer explaining their fictional universe by fictional means the writer has to show or tell the audiance in the right way. Content is not as important as context, which is how you tell the story, meaning the details of science-fiction isn't as important how it is presented.
If it's not presented right, then we have to fallback on trying to make sense of what's going on, why characters are behaving a certain way, and why scenes are unfolding the way they are.
We use science, logic, math or even the codex because those particular kinds of issues are raised, not necessarily because they are about sciece, logic or math.
Guldhun2 wrote...
dreman9999, i told you before. Stop posting stuff until you understand what you are replying to.
Person A:
Japan just got hit by a tsunami, now some nuclear reactors are damaged and are leaking radiation.
dreman9999(your reply)
But people in Japan can still ride bicycles
You make no sense, so why bother posting anything at all. All you accomplish is make people go *Wait...what??*
KotorEffect3 wrote...
Are people still going on about the death sequence? Give it a damn rest already
Someone With Mass wrote...
And you have had absolutely nothing good to post, so you can just follow your own advice.
Guldhun2 wrote...
My own advice? Maybe you should read it again. Because my advice was for him to stop posting things until he understands what he's replying to and what he is replying because what he's saying now doesn't make any sense at all. When did i not make any sense? I assumed it was pretty clear, but i guess reading "iz teh hard" for you.
Yezdigerd wrote...
I just find the falling body argument amazing. There are so many possible explanations for why Shepards body weren't disintegrated in a fantasy-SF universe that the mind boggles. Smudboy have some good points here and there, but mostly he seems to don't understand the concept of suspense of disbelief, and if something didn't happen on screen it's a "plot hole". He mixes things that can be properly criticised plot, characters etc with irrelevant nonsense like this.
I agree that killing Shepard in the beginning was poor for example. They could just as well had Cerberus wake up from a 2 year coma. it's poor because it cheapens death and implies Shepard can be revived again, and I agree it would be better if the missions the loyalty missions tied better in with the main plot. and it would be great if the collector general was an antiantagonist, but that are design and budget choices, the lack of it doesn't make the ME2 the "worst story ever"
Then he tries to pick a part small things and most often fail miserably.
His grapic exploding brains when the collectors ambush of IFF Normandy is a prime example.
1. because apparently it's inconcievable to him that the collector's would have a shuttlecraft that they haven't used until now or that it's not explained how a superadvanced SF race gets into the Normandy.
2.That they have been trying to get Shepard alive the entire game seem to have completely passed him by.
3. That capturing Normandy itself could yield valuable intel on what their enemies actually are doing. Destroying it would only make sense if it was the collectors only option.
Yet Smudboy seems so in love with his plot hole that he doesn't even stop to think about it.
I also find his Redlettermedia fanboy approach to criticism hilarious, but RLM's seriekilller moron persona is what really makes his points entertaining, Smudboys wannabe game design professor not so much.
Fixers0 wrote...
In Exile wrote...
Are people writing about all the BS science in ME? God, after all the "**** you biology!" from ME1, people still take ME science seriously?
Actually Smudboy adresses this point in his first and last resonse in his response to Sqee's videos, here is the actual quote:''In Regards to me using science or others trying to explain how things work with math, that's done because of the poor storytelling or the poor exposition of the fiction which happens to be science.
There is nothing stopping a writer explaining their fictional universe by fictional means the writer has to show or tell the audiance in the right way. Content is not as important as context, which is how you tell the story, meaning the details of science-fiction isn't as important how it is presented.
If it's not presented right, then we have to fallback on trying to make sense of what's going on, why characters are behaving a certain way, and why scenes are unfolding the way they are.
We use science, logic, math or even the codex because those particular kinds of issues are raised, not necessarily because they are about sciece, logic or math.
The only thing that the lore does not explain is Shepards reserrection, which Miranda has in Her head and jacobs loyalty mission.Other than that, the lore explines everything.Fixers0 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Which is why if you look in the lore, everything matches up with the plot.Fixers0 wrote...
In Exile wrote...
Are people writing about all the BS science in ME? God, after all the "**** you biology!" from ME1, people still take ME science seriously?
Actually Smudboy adresses this point in his first and last resonse in his response to Sqee's videos, here is the actual quote:''In Regards to me using science or others trying to explain how things work with math, that's done because of the poor storytelling or the poor exposition of the fiction which happens to be science.
There is nothing stopping a writer explaining their fictional universe by fictional means the writer has to show or tell the audiance in the right way. Content is not as important as context, which is how you tell the story, meaning the details of science-fiction isn't as important how it is presented.
If it's not presented right, then we have to fallback on trying to make sense of what's going on, why characters are behaving a certain way, and why scenes are unfolding the way they are.
We use science, logic, math or even the codex because those particular kinds of issues are raised, not necessarily because they are about sciece, logic or math.
You've godda be kindin' me.
Modifié par dreman9999, 12 septembre 2011 - 02:57 .
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Obviously, it's stupendously unlikely, and the whole thing could have been written in a far less convoluted manner that involved a far lower "suspended disbelief state".
It's just not impossible to survive a fall from great heights. And on a world with an atmosphere, there's a height beyond which falling from any higher makes no difference in the impact velocity.
Yes it could have been wriotten far better.
And impossible it reamins. All of those peopel fell from lower heights than Shep.
And because Shep died. He didn't surive the fall, so the point is moot.
Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 12 septembre 2011 - 02:43 .
Listen now. What I mean is that everything about ME has it's formation in ME1. Every detail in tech,story, character development, and modivation altold you. ME2, builds off of it but it story does not regurgitate it, pretending that this is your first game in ME. The reason it does this is becauseIt's a trilogy. The story is all together and the story arc for each may be seperate but it part of the seris overaching plot, Shepard facing the reapers. Now, for ME2 to have it that you don't look in the lore to understand it, you ether have to Play ME1 througH ME2 to understand it, or ME2 plot has to take time out to explain everythinhg all over agein to staisfy Smudboy's point.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Which is why if you look in the lore, everything matches up with the plot.
I think you'll find plenty of people will disagree with you here.
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Obviously, it's stupendously unlikely, and the whole thing could have been written in a far less convoluted manner that involved a far lower "suspended disbelief state".
It's just not impossible to survive a fall from great heights. And on a world with an atmosphere, there's a height beyond which falling from any higher makes no difference in the impact velocity.
Yes it could have been wriotten far better.
And impossible it reamins. All of those peopel fell from lower heights than Shep.
And because Shep died. He didn't surive the fall, so the point is moot.
Once you hit terminal velocity, there's nothing magically more lethal about falling farther than it takes to reach terminal velocity. The point of pointing out that those people survived isn't that Shep could survive, it's that Shep could, hypothetically, have been intact enough to recover and "repair". So no, it's not moot.
That said, I'm in the uncomfortable position of seeming to defend something I'd rather was done different in the first place. I just don't like inaccurate statements from either side.
dreman9999 wrote...
The reason I made the claim that practical radiation would make it like venus is because practical radiation made Venus the way it is..... Are you saying that Venus lack of magnetosphere did not make it into a heavy atmosphric presser cooker planet? If so then it's clear that you don't understand what your taking about. It lacks a magnetosphere, which protects from practical radiation . Saying particale radiation does increase planets heat is like saying ionizing radiaton does not generate heat, with is what paritcal radiation is onizing radiaton....
Just compare earth and venus, we have a magnetsphere , Venus does not. Look at our environment, look a venuses......Is it not clear what a planet without an magnetosphere would look like?
If Haelstrom is truely a planet heavilly effect by practical radiation, as you feel it should....It would be like Mercury.
My point is that Haestrom is not at the level to be heavily effected by practical radiation yet because it doesn't have a thin atmosphere. That takes millions of years to do, and it only been less than 300 years.
Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 12 septembre 2011 - 02:41 .
Tonymac wrote...
Personally, I found Smudboy to be a bit of a pain in the keister. I see ranting and raving, tons of foul language, and not a lot of hardcore fact.
He's fun to watch when you need a good laugh, though.
*Looks at Venus and the way Weather works on Earth.*Killjoy Cutter wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
The reason I made the claim that practical radiation would make it like venus is because practical radiation made Venus the way it is..... Are you saying that Venus lack of magnetosphere did not make it into a heavy atmosphric presser cooker planet? If so then it's clear that you don't understand what your taking about. It lacks a magnetosphere, which protects from practical radiation . Saying particale radiation does increase planets heat is like saying ionizing radiaton does not generate heat, with is what paritcal radiation is onizing radiaton....
Just compare earth and venus, we have a magnetsphere , Venus does not. Look at our environment, look a venuses......Is it not clear what a planet without an magnetosphere would look like?
If Haelstrom is truely a planet heavilly effect by practical radiation, as you feel it should....It would be like Mercury.
My point is that Haestrom is not at the level to be heavily effected by practical radiation yet because it doesn't have a thin atmosphere. That takes millions of years to do, and it only been less than 300 years.
I'm telling you flat out that particle radiation does not make a planet's atmosphere a "presser" cooker through direct heating. Simple as that. Go do your homework and stop making simplistic assumptions.
Also, take another English class.
dreman9999 wrote...
1.The shuttle bay is in the cargohold.<_<
dreman9999 wrote...
2.They pay the SB to get Shepards body.
dreman9999 wrote...
3. How can the reapers ever know about Cerberus with out getting info on them? The group know the most about the reapers and reserching a way to stop them. I don't think leaving them alone is a good Idea.
dreman9999 wrote...
Also,Shepard could be on the ship.
dreman9999 wrote...
*Looks at Venus and the way Weather works on Earth.*Killjoy Cutter wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
The reason I made the claim that practical radiation would make it like venus is because practical radiation made Venus the way it is..... Are you saying that Venus lack of magnetosphere did not make it into a heavy atmosphric presser cooker planet? If so then it's clear that you don't understand what your taking about. It lacks a magnetosphere, which protects from practical radiation . Saying particale radiation does increase planets heat is like saying ionizing radiaton does not generate heat, with is what paritcal radiation is onizing radiaton....
Just compare earth and venus, we have a magnetsphere , Venus does not. Look at our environment, look a venuses......Is it not clear what a planet without an magnetosphere would look like?
If Haelstrom is truely a planet heavilly effect by practical radiation, as you feel it should....It would be like Mercury.
My point is that Haestrom is not at the level to be heavily effected by practical radiation yet because it doesn't have a thin atmosphere. That takes millions of years to do, and it only been less than 300 years.
I'm telling you flat out that particle radiation does not make a planet's atmosphere a "presser" cooker through direct heating. Simple as that. Go do your homework and stop making simplistic assumptions.
Also, take another English class.
Yes, it does.
If you believe that it does not your saying Ionizing radiation does not make Non-ionizing radiation amnd heated and highly radiatedelements don't expand and rise.
Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 12 septembre 2011 - 03:29 .
1. No...right....Fixers0 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
1.The shuttle bay is in the cargohold.<_<
Wrongdreman9999 wrote...
2.They pay the SB to get Shepards body.
Not in the Main plot of this game.
dreman9999 wrote...
3. How can the reapers ever know about Cerberus with out getting info on them? The group know the most about the reapers and reserching a way to stop them. I don't think leaving them alone is a good Idea.
That's not an anwser. it's contrived and illogical and goes against pre-established settings.dreman9999 wrote...
Also,Shepard could be on the ship.
We allready covered this.
Fixers0 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
3. How can the reapers ever know about Cerberus with out getting info on them? The group know the most about the reapers and reserching a way to stop them. I don't think leaving them alone is a good Idea.
That's not an anwser. it's contrived and illogical and goes against pre-established settings.
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