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[didymos1120]

Soul Cool wrote...

Yes, drag coefficient. I know. This is not a complicated thing.

Which makes it strange that you completely ignored it.

As is pretty evident from the death video, the fall is not controlled, and Sheperd is either unconscious or near-unconscious. We can pretty safely assume that Sheperd does not have time to adjust his falling posture.

And did I say that Shep did?  The point was that terminal velocity is dependent on many factors, not simply starting altitude, which actually doesn't matter much at all (unless you're falling from such a low altitude that terminal velocity can't be reached).  In any event, the fact that Shep was unconscious makes it more likely the body didn't fall in an aerodynamically ideal position, thus slightly reducing impact speed a bit more.

Not from inner space.

As stated, irrelevant.  Eventually, you will hit lower atmosphere terminal velocity and stay there.  Falling from the edge of space actually gives you that much more time to be affected by drag.

Modifié par didymos1120, 15 septembre 2011 - 06:27 .

[dreman9999]

aznricepuff wrote...

Soul Cool wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
Terminal velocity doesn't work that way.

You know what I meant.

It would continually decrease as Shep went further into the atmosphere.

Yes, it's called drag. I know.

It's also dependent on the object's cross section as it falls.

Yes, drag coefficient. I know. This is not a complicated thing.

If you use the skydiver's head-down orientation, you'll have a somewhat higher terminal velocity that someone falling with their body parallel to the ground.

As is pretty evident from the death video, the fall is not controlled, and Sheperd is either unconscious or near-unconscious. We can pretty safely assume that Sheperd does not have time to adjust his falling posture.

And people have survived terminal velocity falls in real life.  It's rare, but it happens.

Not from inner space.

Whether you're falling from 20000 feet or 200 miles, it doesn't matter. You will reach terminal velocity and hit the ground at more or less the same speed. Which for a planet with gravity and atmosphere like alchera's, is not enough to completely destroy a human body. In fact it would be mostly intact (broken bones, damaged organs, but nothing that surgery/cybernetics couldn't reasonably repair).

The more iffy issue is the problem of Shepard's body burning up once it enters alchera's atmosphere. If he was going fast enough, he would have been vaporized, no doubt about it. So the question is: how fast was he already falling when he hit the atmosphere?

And that why we have constepts of orbital and sub-orbital entry...... To be in an orbital entry, you have to come in above 100 km above the sea level/surface lowest point. If it or you come in obrbital your going to to hit up 3000 degress....But your or the object startes burn in the stratosphere, which is 85 km above a planets above the sea level/surface lowest point. That the key detail to how Sheps body was not burned up. After he was shot out of his ship, he  quickly started hitting a heat cone This only happen at  85 km above a planets above the sea level/surface lowest point as stated before...this means he  was lower than 100 km to be able to hit a reentry spike so quickly. He came in at a sub orbital level......A human body can easilly servive that level of entry....
His body was in the atmoshere too short a time to burn up.

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 septembre 2011 - 06:39 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Shep died,so all of the "people survived falls from..." is irrelevant...so a carbon-ceramic encased meatbag hit the surface,Shep wasn't in the atmosphere that long either...

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 15 septembre 2011 - 06:53 .

[Soul Cool]

didymos1120 wrote...
As stated, irrelevant.  Eventually, you will hit lower atmosphere terminal velocity and stay there.  Falling from the edge of space actually gives you that much more time to be affected by drag.

Apparently I added a 0 (1,750 m/s instead of 175 m/s. >.>) somewhere in the terminal velocity calc, which had me wondering what in the heck everyone was arguing about. A velocity of over 1,750 m/s would obviously have enitrely different results than 175 m/s. Apologies.

(Generalized numbers, I'm sure some math/physics professor would slap me for terrible rounding errors.)

[Computer_God91]

didymos1120 wrote...
 In any event, the fact that Shep was unconscious makes it more likely the body didn't fall in an aerodynamically ideal position, thus slightly reducing impact speed a bit more.

The odds are just as great that he fell into an aerodynamically ideal position. Hell, Shep could have gone down head first and blam, no head left. Don't warp an uncontrollable factor to fit your arguements.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Doesn't matter. He died.

His body was exposed to a methane atmospehre for a month. Brain damage = total.

[dreman9999]

Soul Cool wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
As stated, irrelevant.  Eventually, you will hit lower atmosphere terminal velocity and stay there.  Falling from the edge of space actually gives you that much more time to be affected by drag.

Apparently I added a 0 (1,750 m/s instead of 175 m/s. >.>) somewhere in the terminal velocity calc, which had me wondering what in the heck everyone was arguing about. A velocity of over 1,750 m/s would obviously have enitrely different results than 175 m/s. Apologies.

(Generalized numbers, I'm sure some math/physics professor would slap me for terrible rounding errors.)

*SLAPS YOU ANY WAY...

On point, 175 m/s velocity impact  would do what to an organic compound incased in a harden medium - hard metal/ceramic protect?

[Computer_God91]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Doesn't matter. He died.

His body was exposed to a methane atmospehre for a month. Brain damage = total.

Exactly, I don't know what this arguement is about but it sounds pointless. We know shep died and only because of Sci-fi Magic he's alive again.

[Soul Cool]

dreman9999 wrote...
*SLAPS YOU ANY WAY...

On point, 175 m/s velocity impact  would do what to an organic compound incased in a harden medium - hard metal/ceramic protect?

Depends on what it hit, but unless whatever the object hit was made out of formable cotton candy or something like that, significant deformation could be reasonably expected to occur.

Unless the armor he has is also made out of fairy dust and light rays.

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Doesn't matter. He died.

His body was exposed to a methane atmospehre for a month. Brain damage = total.

You forget about cold perservation of bodies...aka fozen fossils. This can stop decay. As long as the body has no access to oxygen and is frozen or heated, killing the bactria that causes decay in bodies. With all the snow and ice on the planet Shepard landed on, no way the body would not quickly freeze internally. Tissue can last for years with out decay if frozen right....http://www.huffingto...n_n_810237.html

[dreman9999]

Soul Cool wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
*SLAPS YOU ANY WAY...

On point, 175 m/s velocity impact  would do what to an organic compound incased in a harden medium - hard metal/ceramic protect?

Depends on what it hit, but unless whatever the object hit was made out of formable cotton candy or something like that, significant deformation could be reasonably expected to occur.

Unless the armor he has is also made out of fairy dust and light rays.

The planets surface is made out of carbon and water ice...I know carbon is only hard under high pressure...but that water ice.....

[dreman9999]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Doesn't matter. He died.

His body was exposed to a methane atmospehre for a month. Brain damage = total.

Exactly, I don't know what this arguement is about but it sounds pointless. We know shep died and only because of Sci-fi Magic he's alive again.

It not sci-fi magic...It's more like reaper tech. The reaper have tech that can reassemble elements in a living body to a way it suits them....The dragon's teeth from ME1...
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Husk
Husks are synthetic "zombies" created by the geth. When a human is captured, they are placed on impaling devices, huge spikes that Alliance marines have nicknamed "dragon's teeth". Over time the body's organs, skin and water content are converted into cybernetic materials; blood is changed to a sickly green fluid, and the body generates an electrical charge.

.....
Cerberus had access to this tech from ME1 and were testing it then...

http://masseffect.wi...usk#Mass_Effect

Cerberus were studying husks as part of their experimental programme into creating a super soldier, and as a test they deliberately exposed a colonial pioneer team on Chasca to dragon's teeth.
..........
All Cerberus had to do is take control of the nano machines in the tech and they could get it to do what they want. They could make the nano machine rebuild cells if it did not decay too much...Shepard body is remade through bio-syntetic fusion, a thing the reapers were using from ME1...... How cerberus did it is a bit clearer now.

[SkittlesKat96]

EDIT: Forget what I said actually. That said though I'd still recommend you guys look at Auboraem theory, it really makes the Lazarus Project seem more plausible.

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 15 septembre 2011 - 08:37 .

[dreman9999]

dreman9999 wrote...

Soul Cool wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
*SLAPS YOU ANY WAY...

On point, 175 m/s velocity impact  would do what to an organic compound incased in a harden medium - hard metal/ceramic protect?

Depends on what it hit, but unless whatever the object hit was made out of formable cotton candy or something like that, significant deformation could be reasonably expected to occur.

Unless the armor he has is also made out of fairy dust and light rays.

The planets surface is made out of carbon and water ice...I know carbon is only hard under high pressure...but that water ice.....

Wait, I just did a check. Carbon on the surface would mean that Shepard landed on graphite, a very fragil compond. The ice/cold would make it even more fragil. It was not a very hard impact.

[didymos1120]

dreman9999 wrote...

Wait, I just did a check. Carbon on the surface would mean that Shepard landed on graphite, a very fragil compond. The ice/cold would make it even more fragil. It was not a very hard impact.

You also have to take into account that Shep wouldn't necessarily strike flat ground, but could hit slopes of various lengths and inclinations.  That would make a difference, and potentially a highly significant one.

Modifié par didymos1120, 15 septembre 2011 - 08:45 .

[armass]

Shepard's indifference to his/her death was very odd. Then again, maybe she tought about it briefly, but was so focused on the mission that she pushed the toughts aside, instead just joking about it. Like a hard military type of person. Maybe she believed she really wasnt even dead... Or maybe im just looking for any desperate answer to explain this bad writing...

I just can't get over how badly this was handled. And it's Bioware... Even explaining this in the 3rd game and have it touch Shepard would be better than if they just leave it like this. "Oh look im back from the dead, well nothing to it then, lets go!"

I still think they should have just put her into a deep coma, and have Cerberus revive her from it. Coming back from the dead when the body is in that shape is a real stretch, even in Scifi...

Modifié par armass, 15 septembre 2011 - 09:01 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Doesn't matter. He died.

His body was exposed to a methane atmospehre for a month. Brain damage = total.

You forget about cold perservation of bodies...aka fozen fossils. This can stop decay. As long as the body has no access to oxygen and is frozen or heated, killing the bactria that causes decay in bodies. With all the snow and ice on the planet Shepard landed on, no way the body would not quickly freeze internally. Tissue can last for years with out decay if frozen right....http://www.huffingto...n_n_810237.html

Methane..a month. No brain activity. And Shep wasn't encased in arctic ice.

Brain is GONE.

[dreman9999]

didymos1120 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Wait, I just did a check. Carbon on the surface would mean that Shepard landed on graphite, a very fragil compond. The ice/cold would make it even more fragil. It was not a very hard impact.

You also have to take into account that Shep wouldn't necessarily strike flat ground, but could hit slopes of various lengths and inclinations.  That would make a difference, and potentially a highly significant one.

And that why having armor on counts. It would not matter the density because it it did the body would be ripped apart in the air. Hit a solid object is irelivet because it more of the consept it the object can part away fast enough. My point, even passing air and gas can fell likehitting solid wall it you going at a certin speed, which is why airforce poilets where protective suit when flying at high speeds. Shepard suit would protect his body from the impact. The first impact.

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Doesn't matter. He died.

His body was exposed to a methane atmospehre for a month. Brain damage = total.

You forget about cold perservation of bodies...aka fozen fossils. This can stop decay. As long as the body has no access to oxygen and is frozen or heated, killing the bactria that causes decay in bodies. With all the snow and ice on the planet Shepard landed on, no way the body would not quickly freeze internally. Tissue can last for years with out decay if frozen right....http://www.huffingto...n_n_810237.html

Methane..a month. No brain activity. And Shep wasn't encased in arctic ice.

Brain is GONE.

Your not understanding.The brain activity would be gone. The body would be forzen before the brain decayed. Why? Becauseof the ice in the environment. The impact would turn the ice into water, the water would cover shepards body and the water would freeze in the cold. This would turn shepards body into a froozen fossil. The brain cells would not decay if its fossilized that way.

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 septembre 2011 - 09:05 .

[Someone With Mass]

Wow, people are still going on about the orbital drop thing?

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 15 septembre 2011 - 09:55 .

[KotorEffect3]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Wow, people are still going on about the orbital drop thing?

It has taken on a life of it's own.

[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Methane..a month. No brain activity. And Shep wasn't encased in arctic ice.

Brain is GONE.

Your not understanding.The brain activity would be gone. The body would be forzen before the brain decayed. Why? Becauseof the ice in the environment. The impact would turn the ice into water, the water would cover shepards body and the water would freeze in the cold. This would turn shepards body into a froozen fossil. The brain cells would not decay if its fossilized that way.

No, you don't understand. No brain activity = dead brain. It's not salvegable. You cannot reconstruct data from nothing.

Even if Sheps body was frozen (which you cannot prove it would be), Shep is still dead. This is NOT cryogenic sleeping. Freezing destroys cells, even wihout counting hte total information loss from before.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 15 septembre 2011 - 10:41 .

[SkittlesKat96]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Doesn't matter. He died.

His body was exposed to a methane atmospehre for a month. Brain damage = total.

You forget about cold perservation of bodies...aka fozen fossils. This can stop decay. As long as the body has no access to oxygen and is frozen or heated, killing the bactria that causes decay in bodies. With all the snow and ice on the planet Shepard landed on, no way the body would not quickly freeze internally. Tissue can last for years with out decay if frozen right....http://www.huffingto...n_n_810237.html

Methane..a month. No brain activity. And Shep wasn't encased in arctic ice.

Brain is GONE.

Auboraem theory.

[KotorEffect3]

Can't you people bicker about something else now? Just to change things up? Your beating Shepard's dead body like a dead horse.

[Someone With Mass]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Can't you people bicker about something else now? Just to change things up? Your beating Shepard's dead body like a dead horse.

Or hitting Shepard's body like it did with the surface of Alchera.