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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I really don't understand why so many people simply just can't accept that Shepard could be revived through science, since it's really not the first time that has happened in science fiction stories.

Because it breaks the suspension of disbelief

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[dreman9999]

Someone With Mass wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Mass relays are explained  with Mass effect fields...Reaper are bounded with that.

Reducing/increasing a ship's mass without changing its physical properties is also physically impossible, but I'm willing to accept it as a part of the game. 

I really don't understand why so many people simply just can't accept that Shepard could be revived through science, since it's really not the first time that has happened in science fiction stories.

It's lightly based on science and you're not really supposed to think all that much on it. They're just giving the players explanations they see fit with some elements, like the kinetic barriers, and if they don't, then they're counting on the players' suspense of disbelief to take effect.

Because if they had to explain everything new that happens within certain scientific barriers, then ME2 would probably be:
A. Still in development.

or

B. Boring because of the scientific limitations.

Think about it this way... All changes in matter and mass are  associated with  a release of energy. Rubbing you hand would cause thermal heat, the crossing of election would cause electric, a push object would mover forward and the object heats up at high speeds and burn away. Mass effect field and do all the changes to matter and mass without the release of energy associate by it. This means that Mass effect fields can change matter and mass without energy going off, which can only happen naturally it their is something to absorb it or take it a way....This mean mass effect fields store what ever energy effects that happen when matter and mass is change as well as the objects natural effects in nature and once it's done it's disperse that energy and or puts it back, like with ships the mass effect fields increase when electrically  charged and afterward they crew has to release energy out again as static electricity on a planet.http://masseffect.wi...s_and_Vehicles
This is also why biotics produe static shocks. http://masseffect.wi...s#Human_Biotics

Mass effect field can change matter with out it burning up,blowing up, and degrading to tiny bit by taking away the energy that come up when it change and putting it and restoring the matter how it was when it's done.

[Predi1988]

This thed is still going on? Hilarious... and pathetic.
I thought since then, people realized that ME is a fictional story, not a science one.

[Someone With Mass]

Oh no. Shepard is not moping after being brought back from the dead despite remembering absolutely nothing about the event. Boo-hoo.

Also, they probably skipped it because it involves way too much hard science that they have limited knowledge of, since it's currently impossible to bring someone back from the dead with today's technology.

Did I ever think about how they really brought Leeloo back from the dead in The Fifth Element, while the only thing they recovered from the crash was her hand? A little, but then I decided to ignore it, as it achieves nothing when it comes to the story.

That's what suspension of disbelief is for.

So stop with your "Oh, no, it's a retcon/plothole/asspull/handwave" bull**** and find something that's worth discussing for once.

[Fixers0]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Oh no. Shepard is not moping after being brought back from the dead despite remembering absolutely nothing about the event. Boo-hoo.

Also, they probably skipped it because it involves way too much hard science that they have limited knowledge of, since it's currently impossible to bring someone back from the dead with today's technology.

Did I ever think about how they really brought Leeloo back from the dead in The Fifth Element, while the only thing they recovered from the crash was her hand? A little, but then I decided to ignore it, as it achieves nothing when it comes to the story.

That's what suspension of disbelief is for.

So stop with your "Oh, no, it's a retcon/plothole/asspull/handwave" bull**** and find something that's worth discussing for once.

You probably didn't read the quote in my post didn't you.

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I really don't understand why so many people simply just can't accept that Shepard could be revived through science, since it's really not the first time that has happened in science fiction stories.

Because it breaks the suspension of disbelief

You have a really weak suspense of that belief then, because people are brought back from the dead all the time in fiction.

[dreman9999]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I really don't understand why so many people simply just can't accept that Shepard could be revived through science, since it's really not the first time that has happened in science fiction stories.

Because it breaks the suspension of disbelief, dead people don't just start walking again, it goes against all logic.

I don't understand......The problem was knowing how, nowwe have a theory and the problem now it that it happen and need to be explained. So using science to explain a science fiction story that use science fact is....Bad?

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

You probably didn't read the quote in my post didn't you.

You know why? Because the first thing I thought when I saw that quote was: "It's probably another Smudboy quote" and I've started to ignore those things on principal.

[111987]

Predi1988 wrote...

This thed is still going on? Hilarious... and pathetic.
I thought since then, people realized that ME is a fictional story, not a science one.

Seriously, can people like you stop making these comments? Either contribute to the thread discussion or don't post.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

dreman9999 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I really don't understand why so many people simply just can't accept that Shepard could be revived through science, since it's really not the first time that has happened in science fiction stories.

Because it breaks the suspension of disbelief, dead people don't just start walking again, it goes against all logic.

I don't understand......The problem was knowing how, nowwe have a theory and the problem now it that it happen and need to be explained. So using science to explain a science fiction story that use science fact is....Bad?

They didn't draw him a picture in crayon,therefore; it is a ret-con/asspull/handwave/plothole or whatever and it goes against his weak suspension of belief,because he apparently completely understands the science of death.

[dreman9999]

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Oh no. Shepard is not moping after being brought back from the dead despite remembering absolutely nothing about the event. Boo-hoo.

Also, they probably skipped it because it involves way too much hard science that they have limited knowledge of, since it's currently impossible to bring someone back from the dead with today's technology.

Did I ever think about how they really brought Leeloo back from the dead in The Fifth Element, while the only thing they recovered from the crash was her hand? A little, but then I decided to ignore it, as it achieves nothing when it comes to the story.

That's what suspension of disbelief is for.

So stop with your "Oh, no, it's a retcon/plothole/asspull/handwave" bull**** and find something that's worth discussing for once.

You probably didn't read the quote in my post didn't you.

You not understanding science fiction. Science fiction is a genre in which commonly impossible things can happen due to technology. The technology details how the impossible can happen. But that's where the divide of science fiction and science fantasy happens. Science fantasy shows the technology and but never explains how it works and no common tech can support the tech (star wars),Science fiction show the tech, explains it and shows how common tech can be used to make it happen(Star trek). They also add the one thing that's need to make it happen in life to the story to make it happen.
Mass effect is more star trek than star wars because we can link the tech they have in the series to current tech.

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 septembre 2011 - 07:16 .

[Iakus]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I really don't understand why so many people simply just can't accept that Shepard could be revived through science, since it's really not the first time that has happened in science fiction stories.

Because it breaks the suspension of disbelief

....

Here's an illustration.  A line from one of the characters on the tv show "Lost" which, let's face it, played fast and loose with reality all on it's own:

"I've seen this island do miraculous things, I've seen it heal the sick, but never once has it done anything like this. Dead is dead. You don't get to come back from that, not even here. So the fact that John Locke is walking around this island, scares the living hell out of me."

You can only suspend your disbelief if there's something you can hang your disbelief on.  Sure people can be revived through science in other stories.  What makes it possible in this one?

Modifié par iakus, 15 septembre 2011 - 08:03 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

iakus wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

I really don't understand why so many people simply just can't accept that Shepard could be revived through science, since it's really not the first time that has happened in science fiction stories.

Because it breaks the suspension of disbelief

....

You can only suspend your disbelief if there's something you can hang your disbelief on.  Sure people can be revived through science in other stories.  What makes it possible in this one?

Reaper tech.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Someone mentioned something that I think most people don't know (but should):

Freezing destroys cells.

http://en.wikipedia....servation#Risks

Ice crystals cause damage to cell membranes and other cellular structures. Etc.


Bioware could have avoided all this by resisting the urge to go with big, splash, hollywoody, nonsensical "kewl" cinematics...

Only, if it's not the whole body is frozen at one. Celluar death happens but not decomposer...But their are cases that they tissue can live...
http://en.wikipedia....cts_for_cloning.

Also,it clear that would not happen with froze fossils if this is happened...
http://news.softpedi...ife-62040.shtml

Also, this....http://en.wikipedia....uropreservation .

And once again we see a one of your posts consisting of a superficial flurry of semi-relevent partially-understood science used to cloud the issue, and to cling to a soundly defeated notion. 

Oh well. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Oh no. Shepard is not moping after being brought back from the dead despite remembering absolutely nothing about the event. Boo-hoo.

Also, they probably skipped it because it involves way too much hard science that they have limited knowledge of, since it's currently impossible to bring someone back from the dead with today's technology.

Did I ever think about how they really brought Leeloo back from the dead in The Fifth Element, while the only thing they recovered from the crash was her hand? A little, but then I decided to ignore it, as it achieves nothing when it comes to the story.

That's what suspension of disbelief is for.

So stop with your "Oh, no, it's a retcon/plothole/asspull/handwave" bull**** and find something that's worth discussing for once.

You probably didn't read the quote in my post didn't you.

You not understanding science fiction. Science fiction is a genre in which commonly impossible things can happen due to technology. The technology details how the impossible can happen. But that's where the divide of science fiction and science fantasy happens. Science fantasy shows the technology and but never explains how it works and no common tech can support the tech (star wars),Science fiction show the tech, explains it and shows how common tech can be used to make it happen(Star trek). They also add the one thing that's need to make it happen in life to the story to make it happen.
Mass effect is more star trek than star wars because we can link the tech they have in the series to current tech.

Mass Effect comes across as science fiction. 

Mass Effect 2 gets a serious injection of "eh, who gives a damn, we'll go science fantasy."

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 15 septembre 2011 - 08:10 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

111987 wrote...

Predi1988 wrote...

This thed is still going on? Hilarious... and pathetic.
I thought since then, people realized that ME is a fictional story, not a science one.

Seriously, can people like you stop making these comments? Either contribute to the thread discussion or don't post.

Agreed.

Very little is more pathetic than someone coming into a thread and cracking a comment about the people who are posting in it... since that person also just posted in it.  It's like going to a convention and trying to act superior... you're at the convention too, pal.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Someone mentioned something that I think most people don't know (but should):

Freezing destroys cells.

http://en.wikipedia....servation#Risks

Ice crystals cause damage to cell membranes and other cellular structures. Etc.


Bioware could have avoided all this by resisting the urge to go with big, splash, hollywoody, nonsensical "kewl" cinematics...

Only, if it's not the whole body is frozen at one. Celluar death happens but not decomposer...But their are cases that they tissue can live...
http://en.wikipedia....cts_for_cloning.

Also,it clear that would not happen with froze fossils if this is happened...
http://news.softpedi...ife-62040.shtml

Also, this....http://en.wikipedia....uropreservation .

And once again we see a one of your posts consisting of a superficial flurry of semi-relevent partially-understood science used to cloud the issue, and to cling to a soundly defeated notion. 

Oh well. 

I had to...

I don't even know what is going on here anymore.

[Sgt Stryker]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Your spelling is horrible.

Also, does that planet have seasons? Maybe Shepard landed on the dark side during winter.

I dunno, it sounds like an awful lot of highly unlikely circumstances have to take place in order for any plausibility. Now we have to introduce even more assumptions - that Shepard landed on the dark side of Alchera during winter (presumably near one of its poles), on an icy slope, at or below terminal velocity, after entering the atmosphere at sub-orbital speeds?

...

With this kind of luck, why hasn't Shep started investing in lottery tickets yet?

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Someone mentioned something that I think most people don't know (but should):

Freezing destroys cells.

http://en.wikipedia....servation#Risks

Ice crystals cause damage to cell membranes and other cellular structures. Etc.


Bioware could have avoided all this by resisting the urge to go with big, splash, hollywoody, nonsensical "kewl" cinematics...

Only, if it's not the whole body is frozen at one. Celluar death happens but not decomposer...But their are cases that they tissue can live...
http://en.wikipedia....cts_for_cloning.

Also,it clear that would not happen with froze fossils if this is happened...
http://news.softpedi...ife-62040.shtml

Also, this....http://en.wikipedia....uropreservation .

And once again we see a one of your posts consisting of a superficial flurry of semi-relevent partially-understood science used to cloud the issue, and to cling to a soundly defeated notion. 

Oh well. 

If you can't tell me how this won't work then we have nothing to discuss.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Oh no. Shepard is not moping after being brought back from the dead despite remembering absolutely nothing about the event. Boo-hoo.

Also, they probably skipped it because it involves way too much hard science that they have limited knowledge of, since it's currently impossible to bring someone back from the dead with today's technology.

Did I ever think about how they really brought Leeloo back from the dead in The Fifth Element, while the only thing they recovered from the crash was her hand? A little, but then I decided to ignore it, as it achieves nothing when it comes to the story.

That's what suspension of disbelief is for.

So stop with your "Oh, no, it's a retcon/plothole/asspull/handwave" bull**** and find something that's worth discussing for once.

You probably didn't read the quote in my post didn't you.

You not understanding science fiction. Science fiction is a genre in which commonly impossible things can happen due to technology. The technology details how the impossible can happen. But that's where the divide of science fiction and science fantasy happens. Science fantasy shows the technology and but never explains how it works and no common tech can support the tech (star wars),Science fiction show the tech, explains it and shows how common tech can be used to make it happen(Star trek). They also add the one thing that's need to make it happen in life to the story to make it happen.
Mass effect is more star trek than star wars because we can link the tech they have in the series to current tech.

Mass Effect comes across as science fiction. 

Mass Effect 2 gets a serious injection of "eh, who gives a damn, we'll go science fantasy."

It's more like you have to use what is stated in ME1 to understand the science of ME2. You also have to understand science in general.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Someone mentioned something that I think most people don't know (but should):

Freezing destroys cells.

http://en.wikipedia....servation#Risks

Ice crystals cause damage to cell membranes and other cellular structures. Etc.


Bioware could have avoided all this by resisting the urge to go with big, splash, hollywoody, nonsensical "kewl" cinematics...

Only, if it's not the whole body is frozen at one. Celluar death happens but not decomposer...But their are cases that they tissue can live...
http://en.wikipedia....cts_for_cloning.

Also,it clear that would not happen with froze fossils if this is happened...
http://news.softpedi...ife-62040.shtml

Also, this....http://en.wikipedia....uropreservation .

And once again we see a one of your posts consisting of a superficial flurry of semi-relevent partially-understood science used to cloud the issue, and to cling to a soundly defeated notion. 

Oh well. 

If you can't tell me how this won't work then we have nothing to discuss.

We're talking about an entire human brain, an organ composed of some of the most fragile cells in the entire human body, which stores much of its programming and information through the pattern of connections and interactions between those cells.   We're talking about it falling, impacting, freezing, and being exposed to vacuum. 

We're not talking about a few cells out of an entire mammoth frozen in the Siberian tundra, or simple bacteria trapped in ice, or an experiment in a carefully controlled lab setting.   

It's clear and telling that you do not understand the difference between the things you linked to, and the subject being discussed.   Which fits your pattern perfectly. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Mass Effect comes across as science fiction. 

Mass Effect 2 gets a serious injection of "eh, who gives a damn, we'll go science fantasy."

It's more like you have to use what is stated in ME1 to understand the science of ME2. You also have to understand science in general.

And never mind that ME2 randomly ignores or $#!+cans whatever speculative science from ME1 happens to get in the way of whatever the writers or animators of a particular scene thought would be kewl. 

I love ME2, I've played through it at least  a couple of dozen times, but face it, ME2 traded in ME1's thoughtful speculative-science approach (even if it wasn't perfect, it was at least thoughtful) for a Hollywood-ized high-octane "don't look behind the curtain, we're busy with big big big!" approach.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 15 septembre 2011 - 08:29 .

[dreman9999]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Your spelling is horrible.

Also, does that planet have seasons? Maybe Shepard landed on the dark side during winter.

I dunno, it sounds like an awful lot of highly unlikely circumstances have to take place in order for any plausibility. Now we have to introduce even more assumptions - that Shepard landed on the dark side of Alchera during winter (presumably near one of its poles), on an icy slope, at or below terminal velocity, after entering the atmosphere at sub-orbital speeds?

...

With this kind of luck, why hasn't Shep started investing in lottery tickets yet?

I would not say it's highly unlike circumstances....It was clearly planned. Why did the collectors draw shepard to this planet? Why did the collector ensure the ship crashed on the dark side of the planet in sub- orbit? The planet surface is carbon unpressurized with water ice and snow....that's graphite mix with snow. That not going to be a super hard impact based on the  nature of graphite. And last time I checked heated water ice turns to water and water flows to the lowest point on any planets gravity close to 1G....Add on the planet average temp at -22 Celsius and Shepard land on the dark part of the planet, puts his body at a super cold environment.....And the body it covered in graphite and ice is super cold  levels flash freezing his body.
This was not a coincidence, it was clearly a plan of the reapers to have him land on a planet which impact would submerge him in the ground and flash freeze his body turning it to a frozen fossil.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Mass Effect comes across as science fiction. 

Mass Effect 2 gets a serious injection of "eh, who gives a damn, we'll go science fantasy."

It's more like you have to use what is stated in ME1 to understand the science of ME2. You also have to understand science in general.

And never mind that ME2 randomly ignores or $#!+cans whatever speculative science from ME1 happens to get in the way of whatever the writers or animators of a particular scene thought would be kewl. 

Like what? Nothing has been conridicted from ME1 in ME2.