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[Autoclave]

I wish I knew who was behind at Bioware's decision of:
1. lets kill shepard and then turn him into cyberjesus.
2. cerberus
3. collectors real plan
4. reapers real plan

What was the reasoning behind doing all this to ME2? What was bioware trying to achieve?
I don't know what their real intentions were as game developers and plot writers, but personally I feel that the only thing that it achieved is forcing me to suspend my disbelief. 

I don't care at all about improvized explanation by gamers. It is not our job to come up with an explanation for all these unclear plot details. 

Modifié par Autoclave, 15 septembre 2011 - 10:26 .

[Arkitekt]

I think it is laughable because we get to see people making so many basic undergrad physics mistakes (such as suggesting that going close to a planet is a "problem" for a ship for "gravitational" issues ROFLMAO), and then try to shove them down to their audience as if they had any clue of what they are actually talking about.

We get to see people telling us how impossible certain events are when it's damned clear that they have nothing but their own indignation against them. "This is outright impossible! No way Shep's brain could have survived the fall! No way this amazing list of bad bad things the brain was exposed didn't destroy it! No way X! No way Y!"

What these people fail to realise is that "impossible things" happen every single day. If they were actually aware of the strangest things that happen every single day on this planet, they would probably be less assertive of what they cannot possibly know since it's also clear they lack the knowledge to do the analysis.

Ok so you people have bickered about and nitpicked the first few minutes of the game to death. Let's move on to the next 50 hours already.

Ready for it. So what specific idiocy from Smudboy do you like us to trash into smithereens?

[Arkitekt]

Autoclave wrote...

I wish I knew who was behind at Bioware's decision of:
1. lets kill shepard and then turn him into cyberjesus.
2. cerberus
3. collectors real plan
4. reapers real plan

What was the reasoning behind doing all this to ME2? What was bioware trying to achieve?
I don't know what their real intentions were as game developers and plot writers, but personally I feel that the only thing that it achieved is forcing me to suspend my disbelief. 

There are many things gone wrong in ME2, but the "reapers real plan" isn't one of them. It was already suggested in a very subtle way in ME1 in the dialogue with Soverreign (and if you take the "reapers real plan" in mind while watching that scene again, things make a real good sense). So the "reapers real plan" may have been written from the start. ME2 is about Shep finding about it. Reapers are here to gather what they can from this generation of organics and build some reapers from the best of them. What they exactly "gather" is unexplained, and rightly so (another point that may fly above the heads of many nitpickers and holeplotspammers).

[Iakus]

Arkitekt wrote...

What these people fail to realise is that "impossible things" happen every single day. If they were actually aware of the strangest things that happen every single day on this planet, they would probably be less assertive of what they cannot possibly know since it's also clear they lack the knowledge to do the analysis.

Then it's the job of the writers to tell us why the impossible is possible.

Shepard's brain remained intact after the fall?  Fine.  Tell me how.

Shepard never actually died?  Okay.  How?

ME2 went through so much trouble to show us how Shepard "died"  How there's no way he could have survived such a catastrophic series of events.  Yet, against all odds, he's alive.  Not just alive, but "exactly" as before.

How?

Modifié par iakus, 15 septembre 2011 - 10:33 .

[Autoclave]

There are "impossible things" that I can really enjoy in a Sci-Fi: FTL, Biotics, impressive weaponry, citadel, aliens, reapers. All this is plausible and pretty damn easy to believe within the Sci-fi pre-set standards and overall world rules and lore established in the original Mass Effect. 

But seeing a human body enter the atmosphere and approaching with a crazy acceleration and expect me to believe that those remains, left overs, if it did not burnout through the atmosphere, could be reanimated with INTACT MEMORY... geez ppl, stop being such blind fanboys.

Modifié par Autoclave, 15 septembre 2011 - 10:34 .

[KotorEffect3]

Shepard died, he came back. Get over it.

[Arkitekt]

iakus wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

What these people fail to realise is that "impossible things" happen every single day. If they were actually aware of the strangest things that happen every single day on this planet, they would probably be less assertive of what they cannot possibly know since it's also clear they lack the knowledge to do the analysis.

Then it's the job of the writers to tell us why the impossible is possible.

Shepard's brain remained intact after the fall?  Fine.  Tell me how.

Thing is, this isn't a problem until the nitpickers arrive and start making questions about any single lack of exposure they can find in the plot. It's implied that there must have happened a sequence of events that made it possible. The next sequence after the fall acknowledges the accident and shows what happened because of it.

This should be more than enough. To have someone technobabble on how he "survived" just so some people who can't have any lack of exposition can sleep better at night was completely unnecessary (and would have wrecked the scene, unless the explanation occurred for instance in an unforced dialogue with Miranda).

Shepard never actually died?  Okay.  How?

ME2 went through so much trouble to show us how Shepard "died"  How there's no way he could have survived such a catastrophic series of events.  Yet, against all odds, he's alive.  Not just alive, but "exactly" as before.

How?

He was put together by the most expensive medical procedure to date. That's all we need to know to enjoy the story. It is likely we get a more explained story in ME3 though, since the noise to get this irrelevant package of information is so loud.

[Iakus]

Arkitekt wrote...


Thing is, this isn't a problem until the nitpickers arrive and start making questions about any single lack of exposure they can find in the plot. It's implied that there must have happened a sequence of events that made it possible. The next sequence after the fall acknowledges the accident and shows what happened because of it.

This should be more than enough. To have someone technobabble on how he "survived" just so some people who can't have any lack of exposition can sleep better at night was completely unnecessary (and would have wrecked the scene, unless the explanation occurred for instance in an unforced dialogue with Miranda).

It's a problem because Shepard's ressurection is, to the vast majority of the galaxy an  impossibility.  And the only answer we get to how this impossibility is in fact possible is "stuff happens" and "it was really expensive"  

Yeah, doing the impossible is expensive.  Let me tell you, the bill on my Green Lantern power ring is rough on the ol' credit card too 

He was put together by the most expensive medical procedure to date. That's all we need to know to enjoy the story. It is likely we get a more explained story in ME3 though, since the noise to get this irrelevant package of information is so loud.

Umm, that's not all we need to know.  "It was really expensive" could explain building a new Normandy (okay that and swiping the plans for it)

"It was really expensive" could explain more mundane cybernetics.

"It was really expensive" could explain bringing a couple of high end mercenaries on board like Zaeed and Kasumi

It was really expensive works for making the difficult happen.  Or the unlikely.  To make the impossible happen, you need more.  You need a process.  A discovery, an X-factor that says "this is no longer possible.  Now it's just difficult.  Or unlikely"

[Almostfaceman]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Shepard died, he came back. Get over it.

iakus and people like him apparently got nothing better to do than complain about the same crap over and over again for months.

If Bioware hasn't heard your opinion by now, people, they never will. Give it a rest. 

[Il Divo]

Almostfaceman wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Shepard died, he came back. Get over it.

iakus and people like him apparently got nothing better to do than complain about the same crap over and over again for months.

If Bioware hasn't heard your opinion by now, people, they never will. Give it a rest. 

This post depresses me.

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Shepard died, he came back. Get over it.

iakus and people like him apparently got nothing better to do than complain about the same crap over and over again for months.

If Bioware hasn't heard your opinion by now, people, they never will. Give it a rest. 

This post depresses me.

You get used to the "I'msatisfied so sit down and shut up" posts after a while.

[Whatever42]

Again, the ressurection of Shepard is in no way impossible. So stop saying that! They said that they recovered the body. They said it was meat-and-tubes. We saw them reconstruct it with some sort of nano-technology. They said they restored his mind with biosynthetic reconstruction of the neural pathways.

There are interesting questions here about the nature of the technology, since we see the Reapers using this tech too all over the place, and there are some unanswered questions if you really want to geek out over the details but it is not impossible.

A more interesting conversation would be over whether a good story would have exploited it more. Of course, we don't know that they won't exploit it more. That's the nature of fantasy - often things aren't explained right away. And of course, blank-slate Shepard may not have investigated many of the implications as deeply as a character in a book. But that's a good discussion. Maybe this could have been a better story without the whole blank Shep.

But would something like this be technologically possible in 200 years? The answer is absolutely; far more than light speed or biotics.

[Whatever42]

iakus wrote...

You get used to the "I'msatisfied so sit down and shut up" posts after a while.

Well, be fair. The reason for the shut up posts are because no one's opinion ever changes. Everyone almost completely ignores everyone else points and just keeps repeating themselves.

[Almostfaceman]

iakus wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Shepard died, he came back. Get over it.

iakus and people like him apparently got nothing better to do than complain about the same crap over and over again for months.

If Bioware hasn't heard your opinion by now, people, they never will. Give it a rest. 

This post depresses me.

You get used to the "I'msatisfied so sit down and shut up" posts after a while.

Has nothing to with me (or anyone else) being satisfied and everything to do with people who constantly complain about the same crap over and over again. Like, get it out of your system dude.

But you already knew that.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Arkitekt wrote...

I think it is laughable because we get to see people making so many basic undergrad physics mistakes

Hey,  I thought you were trying to cover up the mistakes in ME2, not point them out...

[Killjoy Cutter]

Arkitekt wrote...

He was put together by the most expensive medical procedure to date. That's all we need to know to enjoy the story.

Maybe it is for you. 

It's one of the things I have to grind my figurative teeth to get through and get to the good parts, because it's one of the places where "BOOM POW FIRE AND AWESOME please don't look behind the curtain..." took over the game.

[Soul Cool]

Arkitekt wrote...
What these people fail to realise is that "impossible things" happen every single day. If they were actually aware of the strangest things that happen every single day on this planet, they would probably be less assertive of what they cannot possibly know since it's also clear they lack the knowledge to do the analysis.

To be fair, I was not claiming that it was impossible once I corrected my miserable Math fail at 2 am.

I just had a problem with the whole "Reapers did X to cause Y to shape S to find Z to allocate resources for Sheperd's capture to point M after time D (1 month). All points worked perfectly for the capture process except the last one."

That's stretching it pretty far. 

[Sgt Stryker]

Soul Cool wrote...
To be fair, I was not claiming that it was impossible once I corrected my miserable Math fail at 2 am.

I just had a problem with the whole "Reapers did X to cause Y to shape S to find Z to allocate resources for Sheperd's capture to point M after time D (1 month). All points worked perfectly for the capture process except the last one."

That's stretching it pretty far. 

Exactly. If anything, the fact that there was anything left to salvage was purely accidental, and not part of Harbinger's Master Plan to Capture Shepard. In fact, I'm willing to bet that at the time of the ME2 intro, the Collector's primary goal was to merely neutralize Shepard and the Normandy, and the secondary goal was to capture Shepard (either alive or dead). They succeeded in their primary objective, but not their secondary objective.

If their main objective was instead to capture Shepard from the get-go, they would have been more careful with their aim, or (even simpler) lure Shepard and crew into a ground battle and deploy seeker swarms on them.

[Notlikeyoucare]

Almostfaceman wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Shepard died, he came back. Get over it.

iakus and people like him apparently got nothing better to do than complain about the same crap over and over again for months.

If Bioware hasn't heard your opinion by now, people, they never will. Give it a rest. 

So the only reason for you posting in this thread was to complain about people complaining?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Shepard died, he came back. Get over it.

iakus and people like him apparently got nothing better to do than complain about the same crap over and over again for months.

If Bioware hasn't heard your opinion by now, people, they never will. Give it a rest. 

So the only reason for you posting in this thread was to complain about people complaining?

And to tell you that you spelled Citadel wrong.

[Notlikeyoucare]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Shepard died, he came back. Get over it.

iakus and people like him apparently got nothing better to do than complain about the same crap over and over again for months.

If Bioware hasn't heard your opinion by now, people, they never will. Give it a rest. 

So the only reason for you posting in this thread was to complain about people complaining?

And to tell you that you spelled Citadel wrong.

Yep thats about all you do these days. I should probably also tell you that I've noticed quite a few times, I just keep forgetting to change it.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...


Yep thats about all you do these days. I should probably also tell you that I've noticed quite a few times, I just keep forgetting to change it.

Eh, I have contributed to this topic all day.

[100k]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...


Yep thats about all you do these days. I should probably also tell you that I've noticed quite a few times, I just keep forgetting to change it.

Eh, I have contributed to this topic all day.

Please leave. 

[Soul Cool]

100k wrote...
Please leave. 

Wow. Rude.