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[Guldhun2]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Ok we get it your sucking Smudboys dick.  He doesn't need it his ego is so huge he's already right just by stating his opinion.
This is my biggest problem with Smudboy.  He comes off as the ultimate authority of writing and story telling like he can't possibly be as bad as him.  He goes on endless tangents about every single thing about the game's story and I'm supposed to sit here and take his boring voice.
His entire videos come off as "I know what I'm talking about so therefore anyone who doesn't disagree with me is stupid"
I don't care how right he is... He comes off as arragont rude and downright boring.
And plus his total cynasim makes me want to shove a rusty fork up my nose.

Well if you think having blantant plot holes throughout the game is good writing, then yes you are stupid.

[Sgt Stryker]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

ABCoLD wrote...

I think you do not understand the size of space, a Mass Relay and economics of energy expenditure. 

Not that I'm not saying they shouldn't have tried a whole lot of other things first.  After all, if the relay leads nowhere and is in the terminus systems, you don't think Cerberus wouldn't have tried to convince people to crack it open to see how it worked?  (And making sure they broke it in the process?)

Problem solved.

Two can play at this game.

[sympathy4saren]

My phone can't link to Smudboy's view of ME3 marketing. What are his thoughts on it?

[AlexMBrennan]

On an unrelated note, I think that most of the hostility here is due to people failing to distinguish between (a) ME being a game they enjoy and ( ME being technically well-written.

[Iakus]

Il Divo wrote...

Agreed, all around. I do have to ask though: when did Aria fight Wrex? Was she the same Asari he mentions in Mass Effect?

It's believed that Aria and Aleena are the same asari, yeah.  Aria admits she's gone by other names before and uses the phrase "better luck next time" the same message Aleena sent Wrex.

[Dragoonlordz]

sympathy4saren wrote...

My phone can't link to Smudboy's view of ME3 marketing. What are his thoughts on it?

A lot of plot holes and bad writing based on plot regarding ME2.

Edit : As for marketing bit well thats just lots of demotivationals and some ME3 clips.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 28 août 2011 - 10:02 .

[Rockworm503]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Ok we get it your sucking Smudboys dick.  He doesn't need it his ego is so huge he's already right just by stating his opinion.
This is my biggest problem with Smudboy.  He comes off as the ultimate authority of writing and story telling like he can't possibly be as bad as him.  He goes on endless tangents about every single thing about the game's story and I'm supposed to sit here and take his boring voice.
His entire videos come off as "I know what I'm talking about so therefore anyone who doesn't disagree with me is stupid"
I don't care how right he is... He comes off as arragont rude and downright boring.
And plus his total cynasim makes me want to shove a rusty fork up my nose.

Well if you think having blantant plot holes throughout the game is good writing, then yes you are stupid.

THANK YOU so much for proving me right.  Your blatant fanboyism for anyone who has anything negative to say about Smudboy.  He blocks people from his youtube anyone who disagrees with him.  From someone who is so very nitpicky about everything it boggles the mind that he can't take critism.
And the best you can say is I like Mass Effect 2 so I'm stupid.
You just negated any possible way I could take you or Smudboy's argument seriously.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Il Divo wrote...

Still, it sounds closer to a nitpick here. Illusive Man initially explains to us that "no ship has ever returned". Would the plotline really be much improved if he added a single line regarding probes as well? Personally, I think it's minor enough that we can either infer that he has investigated into the Collectors without much success, or barring that can say that launching probes wouldn't be advantageous based on his knowledge at the time.

Yes, it is that damaging a statement because the plot was to stop the Collectors, which we know nothing about. The Shadow Broker's solution was to gather intel. on the scope of the mission parameters while TIM does not. It was a simpler, easier avenue that was never referenced to by our plot provider, which equates to a plot hole. Why it is so egregious is because this one line of dialogue completely subverted what we knew throughout ME2, thereby undermining the plot.

But based on the narrative, that's not possible. Prior to the Collector Base, TIM himself has no idea why no ship has ever returned from the relay, hence the idea of launching probes ad infinitum is problematic at best. The Shadowbroker himself was successful, but was TIM aware of this? If not, the integrity of that ideology remains.

Ultimately, we can't say what constitutes superior probes. It was simple probability which allowed the Shadowbroker to successfully pass the Omega IV relay. TIM can't correct the problem until after he acquires the IFF, at which point I agree it's a plothole for Shepard to charge through the relay.

TIM did not have to be aware of the Shadow Broker's activities, he needed to attempt this for himself. If it failed, they need another recourse to explore. What would constitute a superior probe is one with which has greater success than its predecessor. The basic design for continual trial and error, utilizing every resource available until nothing remains. Evidently, the Shadow Broker proved this method was successful, and it stands to reason Cerberus would have similar resources at their disposal. Thus, TIM would have emulated the Shadow Broker's success, which is yet another reason why that statement is so damaging. It demonstrates either Cerberus tried and gave up too quickly or did not bother at all. In either case, they come across inept.

See, for me. I generally will overlook plot inconsistency if it happens to be minor or a rarity. It would be presumptuous to expect a flawlessly crafted story. The reason I pick apart ME2, is there are so many plot holes that it reaches a point where I simply find the writing lazy. Personally, I have come to believe the main plot was written as an afterthought with no consideration for Mass Effect at all. They sold us a character story and provided a episodic structured plot which adhered to this design. Since it required a main plot of some degree, they tied something together and called it a day.

I further speculate Walters is an individual who has an abundance of ideas on a daily basis and gets excited with each new creation. When it comes time to fit them together, none of the ideas mesh in a cohesive manner. So they are hammered in like a poorly fitted puzzle piece. Such is my reasoning for how Walters can do so well with short character arcs, yet fail with an overarching plot. Contrary to many who criticize ME2, I both love the game and believe the main plot had potential, it was simply wasted.

Of course those last two paragraphs are purely my own opinion. I imagine many will disagree.

[Phaedon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
That is called flame war. After reading some of hthe replies on those trhead I can only say that I would have lost my cool too. There's only so much crap and insults one can take and remain civil.

I am aware that this is what you want to believe, and as much as ignorant as your statement is since you haven't participated in a debate with smudboy, I won't call you out on it, but instead explain where you are wrong.

He insulted people who disagreed with him, even if they were polite about it. Maybe you shouldn't shut your eyes and ears and yell "This person agrees with my beliefs, I must defend them at all costs!"

Ask some of the older forumites. Not only did Smudboy do unprovoked attacks, he was provoking them by making inflammatory posts. All the time.

No, it was not replies to personal attacks, it was brand new personal attacks. For that, you can also ask any mods.

Wrong. He explains it with beter argumentbs that were ever abel to bring to the table in any discussion I've seen you.

"This is a blue box"

"No, it's RED!"

That matches your way of debating perfectly, and I don't really care if you are offended by this. There are countless times in his videos and in his posts where he just says "No X sucks!" or "No Y is the worst one ever". You can go watch them yourself. Just don't ask for proof when you have been given one.

There are specific videos of his and threads, go and count them. If you return asking for "Proof?", you will just have turned one more step towards smudboyness , essentially proving my point.

There's nothing obvious about it. If you want to read into someone music choice, you can do that, but to infer some malice behind it it's just stupid and mean.

He uses the exact same type of music in every single video of his. Coincidence? I am sure that he had as much of a genuine interest to to this type of music as to giving "Mac and Drew a rise" 

Mean? I would hope that you are trolling, but these forums don't instill much hope in humanity lately.
Smudboy is a ****** who has essentially called names out of everyone who disagreed with him, either in group or in person. And if there is a little bit of truth in the rumour that Ecael left because of him, smud can f*ck off, I'll tell you that.

He has contributed nothing that other, perfectly valid forum plot analysts didn't bring, earlier, in fact, other than flamewars and personal attacks.

He used to randomly spam various topics with ironic comments.He maintains an ironic stance and does not accept the points of others.

Congratulations. you jsut described 99% of BSN. Including oyu.

I can say a lot of bad things about the 99% of BSN, but obnoxious pricks that post ">.>" or in general ironic and inflammatory comments is not one of them.

Since it's 99% of BSN, I suppose you wouldn't have a problem with showing all of the posts in the first page that are spam of this kind?

Modifié par Phaedon, 28 août 2011 - 10:05 .

[sympathy4saren]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Guldhun2 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Ok we get it your sucking Smudboys dick.  He doesn't need it his ego is so huge he's already right just by stating his opinion.
This is my biggest problem with Smudboy.  He comes off as the ultimate authority of writing and story telling like he can't possibly be as bad as him.  He goes on endless tangents about every single thing about the game's story and I'm supposed to sit here and take his boring voice.
His entire videos come off as "I know what I'm talking about so therefore anyone who doesn't disagree with me is stupid"
I don't care how right he is... He comes off as arragont rude and downright boring.
And plus his total cynasim makes me want to shove a rusty fork up my nose.

Well if you think having blantant plot holes throughout the game is good writing, then yes you are stupid.

THANK YOU so much for proving me right.  Your blatant fanboyism for anyone who has anything negative to say about Smudboy.  He blocks people from his youtube anyone who disagrees with him.  From someone who is so very nitpicky about everything it boggles the mind that he can't take critism.
And the best you can say is I like Mass Effect 2 so I'm stupid.
You just negated any possible way I could take you or Smudboy's argument seriously.

Lol. Using the term fanboyism to another forumite....the hypocrisy of it is amusing.

[Balek-Vriege]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

You are completely off the mark because you are changing an existing plot in order to claim it fails, which is self defeating. Mass Effect 2's issues are lack of a cohesive structure with properly maintained consistency and exposition.

Take your Reaper example; they did not invade because it was not possible, they were trapped in dark space. This is explained fact supported by the narrative and the antagonists themselves. Now we shift to Shepard's revival via reconstruction. There is nothing to support this is feasible whatsoever. Shepard's body would have to survive planetary reentry, being hurled at terminal velocity into rock and ice and finally exposure to subzero temperature. Even if we negate the first by way of Alchera having a stable enough atmosphere to not incinerate flesh, which is mind boggling to begin with, it is beyond comprehension Shepard's brain would be intact under the second and third scenarios. All that would remain is slush.

Therefore, it is the responsibility of the narrative to explain how this feat was accomplished. We know kinetic shields are not enough and there is no codex entry to support the belief a parachute is compacted into N7 armor. We are simply told moments subsequent Shepard is being reconstructed. This is what is known as a hand wave, the story did not explain the previously scene and hastily processed onward with the plot for convenience sake. That is bad writing.

They're not "trapped" in Dark Space as evident by the them flying back in ME3.  That was assumption made by Vigil.  They prefer to do their Citadel/Mass Relay alpha strike because it works.

The second point about Shepard's body can be argued based upon Planet density, atmosphere makeup and gravitational pull.  This is the argument that I think is closest to a plot hole.  You need Shepard's brain intact for his memories and personality.  But it's only one so far.

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Mordin abruptly having a seeker swarm aboard the Normandy when we have never encountered even the Collectors, let alone a single seeker by its lonesome, demonstrates a plot hole. The plot required its device to move forward, so Mordin literally pulled it from his ass. That is bad writing.

It was stated previously in game that Cerberus had done recons of disappearing colonies.  Mordin or Jacob, can't remember, says Cerberus scouts picked up one the bugs from one of those recons.  Explained ingame and therefore, not a plot hole.  If you didn't like the explaination which isn't implausible, it's a part of the plot you didn't like.

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

The conversation with Ashley/Kaidan on Horizon, where they accuse Cerberus of being behind the colony abductions after just witnessing Shepard, who works with Cerberus, rescue half the colony and their own ass. When attempting to explain your reasoning for this cooperation, even acknowledging you have been in a coma for two years, they insinuate you are a traitor. In this scene VS has essentially stated Cerberus is using Shepard to attack themselves. This is an example of a retcon, specifically in Kaidan's case as he was built to be an rationally minded and levelheaded individual prior to the Ashdan/Kaishy merge. Regardless, neither act in character, both make ridiculously horrendous leaps in logic for no adequate reason and fail their own mission, which was to collect data on Cerberus, something Shepard offered them. This is extremely bad writing.

What did Kaidan/Ashley actually witness for starters.  That governs whether they think you're fighting against the Collectors or working with them.  Second you do just appear out of nowhere working for Cerberus which from Mass Effect 1, were pretty evil in their eyes especially for Kaidan.  It's also suspicious until you tell them you were dead (not sure how I would react tell you the truth especially if I was pre-pissed like Kaidan/Ash are ).

On one hand why can't they not believe you?  However, if Cerberus brought you back to life, they could have brainwashed you too.

It's not a Retcon for Kaidan to be upset since he's a human being, not a computer (not the first time he gets upset like that if you romance him/Liara in ME1).  It's not like they made him an angry self absorbed guy with an english accent.  He was angry at Shepard.

It could be a bad piece of writing, but it's not a plot hole.  It's part of the plot you didn't like.  Kaidan/Ash had a lot of built up emotions and let them explode on Shepard (like explained in the letters if you romanced them).

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Note the difference in your plot comparison and my own. You had to alter your examples to cite them failures, whereas I simply had to point to a scene in ME2 and watch it sink, completely unedited. That is why ME2's plot is poorly written.

Are you suggesting Smudboy's many examples of plot holes and bad writing didn't alter or ignore any plot points in game to make his arguments easier to make?  That was what I was trying to show and it's already been shown on this thread to be the case.  You made your case much better than his form of argument if you ask me.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 28 août 2011 - 10:06 .

[sympathy4saren]

[quote]Phaedon wrote...

[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...
That is called flame war. After reading some of hthe replies on those trhead I can only say that I would have lost my cool too. There's only so much crap and insults one can take and remain civil.[/quote]
I am aware that this is what you want to believe, and as much as ignorant as your statement is since you haven't participated in a debate with smudboy, I won't call you out on it, but instead explain where you are wrong.

He insulted people who disagreed with him, even if they were polite about it. Maybe you shouldn't shut your eyes and ears and yell "This person agrees with my beliefs, I must defend them at all costs!"

Ask some of the older forumites. Not only did Smudboy do unprovoked attacks, he was provoking them by making inflammatory posts. All the time.

No, it was not replies to personal attacks, it was brand new personal attacks. For that, you can also ask any mods.


[quote]Wrong. He explains it with beter argumentbs that were ever abel to bring to the table in any discussion I've seen you.[/quote]
"This is a blue box"

"No, it's RED!"

That matches your way of debating perfectly, and I don't really care if you are offended by this. There are countless times in his videos and in his posts where he just says "No X sucks!" or "No Y is the worst one ever". You can go watch them yourself. Just don't ask for proof when you have been given one.

There are specific videos of his and threads, go and count them. If you return asking for "Proof?", you will just have turned one more step towards smudboyness , essentially proving my point.

[quote]There's nothing obvious about it. If you want to read into someone music choice, you can do that, but to infer some malice behind it it's just stupid and mean.[/quote]
He uses the exact same type of music in every single video of his. Coincidence? I am sure that he had as much of a genuine interest to to this type of music as to giving "Mac and Drew a rise" 

Mean? I would hope that you are trolling, but these forums don't instill much hope in humanity lately.
Smudboy is a ****** who has essentially called names out of everyone who disagreed with him, either in group or in person. And if there is a little bit of truth in the rumour that Ecael left because of him, smud can f*ck off, I'll tell you that.

He has contributed nothing that other, perfectly valid forum plot analysts didn't bring, earlier, in fact, other than flamewars and personal attacks.

[quote]
He used to randomly spam various topics with ironic comments.He maintains an ironic stance and does not accept the points of others.[/quote]

Congratulations. you jsut described 99% of BSN. Including oyu.

[/quote]
I can say a lot of bad things about the 99% of BSN, but obnoxious pricks that post ">.>" or in general ironic and inflammatory comments is not one of them.

Since it's 99% of BSN, I suppose you wouldn't have a problem with showing all of the posts in the first page that are spam of this kind?

[/quote]

Uh-oh. King of the Fanboys just swooped in...

[Someone With Mass]

Phaedon wrote...
I am aware that this is what you want to believe, and as much as ignorant as your statement is since you haven't participated in a debate with smudboy, I won't call you out on it, but instead explain where you are wrong.

He insulted people who disagreed with him, even if they were polite about it. Maybe you shouldn't shut your eyes and ears and yell "This person agrees with my beliefs, I must defend them at all costs!"

Ask some of the older forumites. Not only did Smudboy do unprovoked attacks, he was provoking them by making inflammatory posts. All the time.

No, it was not replies to personal attacks, it was brand new personal attacks. For that, you can also ask any mods.

There's a reason why he was banned, after all.

[Genshie]

This thread won't die will it? Whenever someone brings up Smudboy it is like looking into the ARK OF CONVENANT, faces will melt and heads will explode. Anyway, most if not all of Smudboy's arguements on ME3 marketing have been false or in the process of. He attacked the old E3 stuff when the only real purpose of showing any gameplay honestly was to show off with what they have done so far (and that is what you are suppose to do at E3 hurpah durp). He really goes after the Omniblade concept which has been explained several times over by now.

[111987]

While the Suicide Mission plan in Mass Effect 2 may not have been the best option, it certainly makes more sense than a lot of the other options I've seen presented as alternatives.

1. Sending probes/missiles through the Omega 4 Relay: As stated by others, a drift of several thousand kilometers would render any probes or missiles useless. Remember that the Collector Base is in the galactic core, full of "black holes and exploding suns". Furthermore, even if the probes and missiles did get through, how would it help? The missiles would be shot down by the Occuli, as would the probes. Even if the probes did send back information about the Base and its defenses, ultimately you'll have to send a ship through to actually do anything about it.

2. Planting a blockade around the Omega 4 Relay. Once again others have already mentioned that positioning a fleet, especially one so close to Omega, would not last long. A fleet would draw too much attention to itself and could spark an interstellar war; that is why the Council refused to send a fleet to Illos in Mass Effect 1 after all. Another problem with this is the 1000 kilometers of drift; you would need a massive fleet to cover that much area, and Cerberus does not possess the resources to guard that area with ships that are all capable of taking out a Collector Cruiser. Finally, even if this fleet plan did work, the fact that the Collector Cruiser would simply FTL immediately upon being attacked negates this plan's effectiveness entirely.

The Suicide Mission plan wasn't really too poor of a plan, especially in the circumstances presented. After all it was known to be almost certainly a suicide mission throughout the whole game. Assembling a team of some of the greatest warriors/techs/etc... in the galaxy, putting them on one of the most advanced ships in the galaxy (and probably the best suited ship for entering a hostile, unknown area thanks to its speed, maneuverability, advanced firepower, stealth etc...), and then ending the threat by destroying the threat once and for all seems fairly reasonable under the circumstances. I've seen it argued that there could be 'billions' of Collectors, but it's pretty obvious that this isn't the case. After the Collector Ship mission, EDI figures out the location of the Collector homeworld, and Mordin postulates that it is most likely a base, as there are no habitable planets there. Thus Shepard and the crew know a long time before they travel through the Omega 4 Relay that they won't be facing billions or millions of Collectors; at the most, several hundred. And once again, this is a suicide mission; those are odds Shepard feels he and his team can face.

[KotorEffect3]

Smudboy's name gets dropped in a thread title and the next day that thread has 18 pages, this has to only fuel his ego.

[Balek-Vriege]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Smudboy's name gets dropped in a thread title and the next day that thread has 18 pages, this has to only fuel his ego.

It most likely would, but it's possible its inflated so much it really doesn't matter anymore.


(ok that was actually an attack.  I apologise but couldn't resist)

[Someone With Mass]

Genshie wrote...

This thread won't die will it? Whenever someone brings up Smudboy it is like looking into the ARK OF CONVENANT, faces will melt and heads will explode. Anyway, most if not all of Smudboy's arguements on ME3 marketing have been false or in the process of. He attacked the old E3 stuff when the only real purpose of showing any gameplay honestly was to show off with what they have done so far (and that is what you are suppose to do at E3 hurpah durp). He really goes after the Omniblade concept which has been explained several times over by now.

As if he's some kind of marketing genius.

If the players don't like the omni-blade for some reason, they can just use the regular melee.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Therefore, it is the responsibility of the narrative to explain how this feat was accomplished. We know kinetic shields are not enough and there is no codex entry to support the belief a parachute is compacted into N7 armor. We are simply told moments subsequent Shepard is being reconstructed. This is what is known as a hand wave, the story did not explain the previously scene and hastily processed onward with the plot for convenience sake. That is bad writing.

Do we know this? There are basically two problems with the Alchera incident. First, the audience comes in with their own predispositions about how they think futuristic space suits should work - namely that despite 170 years of technical advances, we still believe that N7 hardsuits cannot withstand the intense heat of reentry. It's OK for the audience to have this idea however, because modern technology is not capable of that, and we are never shown anything in ME that directly contradicts this idea, until the depiction of Shepard's death.

Second, we are never explicitly shown what exactly happened to Shepard's body after he went on his involuntary spacewalk. As a result, the audience has to mentally fill in the gap, and we get all kinds of wild theories on here, including the following:
(1) Shepard entered a stable orbit around Alchera
(2) Shepard was incinerated (!) and had to be rebuilt from ashes and a saved brain pattern or, the most radical theory thus far,
(3) Shepard managed to climb into the Mako while tumbling about and the Mako was what enabled his body to not be destroyed

If we were shown more, i.e. maybe a brief cutscene of Shepard actually entering the atmosphere and smacking into the planet, then this problem would not be as large as it is. Even better, why not use 100k's idea for a second, albeit damaged escape shuttle?

"The shielding afforded by kinetic barriers does not protect against extremes of temperature, toxins, or radiation."

Straight from the codex, and by Miranda's statement we know Alchera has extreme frigid temperature, therefore shields will be inefficient, nevermind Shepard was rendered unconscious from suffocation prior. The remainder of your post is not supported by the codex or any exposition throughout the game. We can make speculations to our leisure however without sufficient narration from the plot, it amounts to a hand wave; questions arose from scene one that were never addressed in scene two, Shepard was simply ready to go. Your example support the hand wave notion.

It isn't the responsibility of the player to fill in gaps like this, that would be the writer's job. If I kill a character in my story, I have to establish how they could be logically resurrected, and if by fictitious means, then I must demonstrate for the reader how this was feasible. In ME2's case, Walters must explain how Shepard's body was recoverable or how her brain was salvaged. Not doing so equates to poor writing. We, the player/reader should not be required to do Walters' job.

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

People like to fault Zaeed's inefficient leadership skills, yet he leads the squad flawlessly, in fact, so does Grunt.

Problem with your statement. Grunt and Jack mention in their assessment of the team "They don't give a damn." Not a good sign of leadership. For Zaeed, even going out for ice cream tends to be lethal for his friends (hint: Talk to him in Club Afterlife).

You misunderstood my example. I was not arguing if Zaeed or Grunt should be necessarily good in a leadership position, I was illustrating how loyalty is made irrelevant once we begin the Suicide Mission. Jack and Grunt do make those statements, yet they succeed flawlessly when chosen for the first leadership role. The Tech Expert dies because of a computer glitch and popping their head out at the wrong moment, not through any fault of the Fire Team leader. If Zaeed was chosen, a great way to display his inability while remaining content to the established lore, would be for someone on his team to die. Zaeed does always manage to survive by himself after all.

littlezack wrote...

Actually, come to think of it, how do we know TIM didn't try sending in a probe? Simply because he never mentioned it?

Exactly, it was never mentioned or referenced to throughout the plot, and if you read my prior response, I explain the issues with that. No need to reiterate.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 28 août 2011 - 10:24 .

[littlezack]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Actually, come to think of it, how do we know TIM didn't try sending in a probe? Simply because he never mentioned it?

Exactly, it was never mentioned or referenced to throughout the plot, and if you read my prior response, I explain the issues with that. No need to reiterate.

Maybe he tried and it just didn't come back. Why would he bring that up?

[Guldhun2]

littlezack wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Actually, come to think of it, how do we know TIM didn't try sending in a probe? Simply because he never mentioned it?

Exactly, it was never mentioned or referenced to throughout the plot, and if you read my prior response, I explain the issues with that. No need to reiterate.

Maybe he tried and it just didn't come back. Why would he bring that up?

Oh lord...Bourne Endeavor don't bother.

[littlezack]

Guldhun2 wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

littlezack wrote...

Actually, come to think of it, how do we know TIM didn't try sending in a probe? Simply because he never mentioned it?

Exactly, it was never mentioned or referenced to throughout the plot, and if you read my prior response, I explain the issues with that. No need to reiterate.

Maybe he tried and it just didn't come back. Why would he bring that up?

Oh lord...Bourne Endeavor don't bother.

Such a welcoming community. No wonder we always get along.

[Someone With Mass]

TIM not telling Shepard everything he knows? No way...that sounds fake.

[Guldhun2]

Someone With Mass wrote...

TIM not telling Shepard everything he knows? No way...that sounds fake.

Don't know but the plot is about shepard finding a way into the omega 4 relay. Knowing that TIM send probes in is kinda important. But don't let that stop you from making **** up.

[Savber100]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Smudboy's name gets dropped in a thread title and the next day that thread has 18 pages, this has to only fuel his ego.

He's the equivalent of the Turian Councillor from ME as he pretends that his opinions are absolute truths. He said as much when I PMed him a while back. 

He loads his criticism with just enough hyperbole and arrogance to irritate but wraps it around with just enough truth to avoid from being seen as totally ignorant and stupid. <_<

Modifié par Savber100, 28 août 2011 - 10:39 .