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[Nashiktal]

I love the Mass Effect universe, and thats why I criticize the hell out of it.

I don't see why people don't get that.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Nashiktal wrote...

I love the Mass Effect universe, and thats why I criticize the hell out of it.

I don't see why people don't get that.

Well, to be frank it's because the line between hypercritical and useless ****ing is remarkably thin.

[dreman9999]

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

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Someone needs to replay ME1 again...

http://masseffect.wi...ony_of_the_Dead

Cerberus has been playing with reaper tech for more than 2 years now.

Oh I intend to, but because I want to, not because I need to 

And again, where is Reaper tech mentioned in the Lazarus Project?  Cerberus has played around with thorian tissue, geth tech, biotics, Prothean artifacts, and stolen or tried to steal from who knows how many other races.  For all we know, the secret to reviving Shepard consists of regular injections of thresher maw venom:wizard:

The point is not where they say it... Heck, Miranda doesn't say a word about how. The fact is that the tech that makes husk is the only thing in ME that rebuild body it infects with bio-sysentetic fusion...Miranda mentions they bio-sysnteic fusion was used in rebuilding Shepard on the cerberus station....Something that is never able to be used in ME1.....The fact they cerberus has been playing with reaper tech from ME1 that mainly rebuilds bodieswith bio-synthetic fusion and the fact they use bio-synthetic fusion to rebuild shepard goes hand in hand.

[dreman9999]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Shepard did fall in from a stable orbit...It was sub orbital.
2.They don't want to be caught in the planets gravitation pull as well, so boreding is a no-no.

So they can't get on the ship because of the planets gravitational pull...And Shepard did fall at a stable level because it was sub orbital...

Being in the gravity well of a planet does not prevent docking actions - as long as the object you're docking with is in a stable orbit, all you have to do is match your orbital trajectories. How do you think the Space Shuttle used to dock with the International Space Station?

Yes, it does. You have a ship being pulled quickly to a planets atmosphere. How are you going to stablize to to be able to borad it? It would be like trying to jump on a fast moving ship from a slower moving ship. Add in the fact that collector ship is trying no to be dragged in the planets orbit.

[dreman9999]

clipped_wolf wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Shepard did fall in from a stable orbit...It was sub orbital.
2.They don't want to be caught in the planets gravitation pull as well, so boreding is a no-no.

So they can't get on the ship because of the planets gravitational pull...And Shepard did fall at a stable level because it was sub orbital...

No, their ship can land planetside.  I think it is easier to just accept that the Collectors are one of the dumbest villians ever.  They rely on numbers and superior tech to hide the fact they are cowardly and incompetant.  No intelligence, replaced by tech!

I never said they can land  planet side. It the same consept of someone trying to jump on a fast moving  car from a slower moving car. The person would fall of due to speed. In order to do that they have to have the car they are jumping off go at the same speed or faster then the car they are going on. But the problem is their is a wall quickly coming up and the car they are jumping on can't stop.
The normady is quickly desending into the planet, if the collector ship tries to increase speed to get on the ship, they risk going too fast to stop with their increased speed and added gravitational force of the planet. They an't borad on a quickly desending ship or they risk crashing into the planet.

[dreman9999]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Shepards death and resurrection would seem much more plausable if he were killed in firefight with the Collectors for whatever the reason may be. Instead they go with the most over-the-top situation that could occur in order to have someone killed. Having him killed only to be revived in the next 10 minutes with no story value isn't stupid enough, they have to have him killed off in a way that would completely negate the possibility of resurrection. But thats ok as long as we have big explosions, lasers, and a dramatic transition to the title screen right?

As it stands, Shepard didn't even need to die anyway. Seriously, WTF Bioware?

[Kasai666]

His voice is so irritating, its impossible to watch.

[Iakus]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[/quote]The point is not where they say it... Heck, Miranda doesn't say a word about how. The fact is that the tech that makes husk is the only thing in ME that rebuild body it infects with bio-sysentetic fusion...Miranda mentions they bio-sysnteic fusion was used in rebuilding Shepard on the cerberus station....Something that is never able to be used in ME1.....The fact they cerberus has been playing with reaper tech from ME1 that mainly rebuilds bodieswith bio-synthetic fusion and the fact they use bio-synthetic fusion to rebuild shepard goes hand in hand.
[/quote]

"Bio synthetic fusion" could just as easily be a fancy way of saying "cybernetics" and we know that Shepard was pretty extensively modified with that. 

And assuming for a moment that Shepard was brought back with Reaper tech (a not unreasonable assumption I must say)  That still eaves the question of why Shepard is not himself a husk.  Or indoctrinated.  

[Sgt Stryker]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Shepard did fall in from a stable orbit...It was sub orbital.
2.They don't want to be caught in the planets gravitation pull as well, so boreding is a no-no.

So they can't get on the ship because of the planets gravitational pull...And Shepard did fall at a stable level because it was sub orbital...

Being in the gravity well of a planet does not prevent docking actions - as long as the object you're docking with is in a stable orbit, all you have to do is match your orbital trajectories. How do you think the Space Shuttle used to dock with the International Space Station?

Yes, it does. You have a ship being pulled quickly to a planets atmosphere. How are you going to stablize to to be able to borad it? It would be like trying to jump on a fast moving ship from a slower moving ship. Add in the fact that collector ship is trying no to be dragged in the planets orbit.

I think we have a problem with definitions here. Let me ask you this: do you consider objects like the International Space Station, or our Moon to be in "Earth's gravitational pull"? They are, but they don't fall in because they are in stable (i.e, non-decaying) orbits around Earth.

If the Normandy was already in a stable orbit around Alchera, and you blow away its engines before they get a chance to change course, then the Normandy will still be in a stable orbit (minus a few minor changes due to escaping gases from hull breaches, the momentum of whatever weapon you're firing, etc.)

[Iakus]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Has nothing to with me (or anyone else) being satisfied and everything to do with people who constantly complain about the same crap over and over again. Like, get it out of your system dude.

But you already knew that.

All I will say further on the matter to to attempt to reassure you that I did not, in fact, use my vast mental powers to compel you to click on a thread titled "Smudboy's Mass Effect series analysis".

Modifié par iakus, 16 septembre 2011 - 04:18 .

[dreman9999]

[quote]iakus wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[/quote]The point is not where they say it... Heck, Miranda doesn't say a word about how. The fact is that the tech that makes husk is the only thing in ME that rebuild body it infects with bio-sysentetic fusion...Miranda mentions they bio-sysnteic fusion was used in rebuilding Shepard on the cerberus station....Something that is never able to be used in ME1.....The fact they cerberus has been playing with reaper tech from ME1 that mainly rebuilds bodieswith bio-synthetic fusion and the fact they use bio-synthetic fusion to rebuild shepard goes hand in hand.
[/quote]

"Bio synthetic fusion" could just as easily be a fancy way of saying "cybernetics" and we know that Shepard was pretty extensively modified with that. 

And assuming for a moment that Shepard was brought back with Reaper tech (a not unreasonable assumption I must say)  That still eaves the question of why Shepard is not himself a husk.  Or indoctrinated.  

[/quote].....
Could you point me to cybernetics mention in ME1? Where they they stated that they are on the for front in cybernetics in ME1? At least for humans. If not your statement is speculation with no facts.
On point, what is stopping Cerberus from reprogramming the reaper tech and using it for their own wants ...like the sr-2 and the communication system in ME2. Point is in those year when Shepard is dead, they could reprogram the tech and reconfigure it  to be use how Cerberus wants.

Modifié par dreman9999, 16 septembre 2011 - 05:07 .

[dreman9999]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Shepard did fall in from a stable orbit...It was sub orbital.
2.They don't want to be caught in the planets gravitation pull as well, so boreding is a no-no.

So they can't get on the ship because of the planets gravitational pull...And Shepard did fall at a stable level because it was sub orbital...

Being in the gravity well of a planet does not prevent docking actions - as long as the object you're docking with is in a stable orbit, all you have to do is match your orbital trajectories. How do you think the Space Shuttle used to dock with the International Space Station?

Yes, it does. You have a ship being pulled quickly to a planets atmosphere. How are you going to stablize to to be able to borad it? It would be like trying to jump on a fast moving ship from a slower moving ship. Add in the fact that collector ship is trying no to be dragged in the planets orbit.

I think we have a problem with definitions here. Let me ask you this: do you consider objects like the International Space Station, or our Moon to be in "Earth's gravitational pull"? They are, but they don't fall in because they are in stable (i.e, non-decaying) orbits around Earth.

If the Normandy was already in a stable orbit around Alchera, and you blow away its engines before they get a chance to change course, then the Normandy will still be in a stable orbit (minus a few minor changes due to escaping gases from hull breaches, the momentum of whatever weapon you're firing, etc.)

As I said before....The Normandy is in sub orbit..... Clearly if you look at the opening and how quickly Shepard gets into heat cone when he enters the atmosphere you'll see this. An object has to be over 100 km/62 miles over the planet average surface point to be orbital. Any thing less is sub orbit. Objects start burning up at 85km/50 miles above surface point. It takes 40 secs for a heat cone to show up after Shepard is shoot from the ship...  At the speed that it was shown he was going, no way is he able to cross more than 11 miles in 40 secs. Meaning he is in suborbit. And the Normandy is clearly falling into the planet.
As I said before, It's like someone trying to jump on a  fast moving car from a slower moving car.....They can't do it. Their car has to be at the same speed or more of the car they are trying to get on. And there's a wall quickly coming up. This is really a goo condition to get on a space ship?
The key to getting on the ship is having the other ship maintain a stable move meant....How can they do that if the engines are gone for that ship and the ship is quickly falling into a planet?

Modifié par dreman9999, 16 septembre 2011 - 05:30 .

[100k]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Shepard did fall in from a stable orbit...It was sub orbital.
2.They don't want to be caught in the planets gravitation pull as well, so boreding is a no-no.

So they can't get on the ship because of the planets gravitational pull...And Shepard did fall at a stable level because it was sub orbital...

Being in the gravity well of a planet does not prevent docking actions - as long as the object you're docking with is in a stable orbit, all you have to do is match your orbital trajectories. How do you think the Space Shuttle used to dock with the International Space Station?

Yes, it does. You have a ship being pulled quickly to a planets atmosphere. How are you going to stablize to to be able to borad it? It would be like trying to jump on a fast moving ship from a slower moving ship. Add in the fact that collector ship is trying no to be dragged in the planets orbit.

I think we have a problem with definitions here. Let me ask you this: do you consider objects like the International Space Station, or our Moon to be in "Earth's gravitational pull"? They are, but they don't fall in because they are in stable (i.e, non-decaying) orbits around Earth.

If the Normandy was already in a stable orbit around Alchera, and you blow away its engines before they get a chance to change course, then the Normandy will still be in a stable orbit (minus a few minor changes due to escaping gases from hull breaches, the momentum of whatever weapon you're firing, etc.)

As I said before....The Normandy is in sub orbit..... Clearly if you look at the opening and how quickly Shepard gets into heat cone when he enters the atmosphere. An object has to be over 100 km/70 miles over the planet average surface point to be orbital. Any thing less is sub orbit. Objects start burning up at 85km/50 miles above surface point. And the Normandy is clearly falling into the planet.
As I said before, It's like someone trying to jump on a  fast moving car from a slower moving car.....They can't do it. Their car has to be at the same speed or more of the car they are trying to get on. And there's a wall quickly coming up. This is really a goo condition to get on a space ship?
The key to getting on the ship is having the other ship maintain a stable move meant....How can they do that if the engines are gone for that ship and the ship is quickly falling into a planet?

My question is how long was Shepard burning in the heat cone? How far does an object have to fall before they escape that kind of -- what is it, -- friction?

[Iakus]

dreman9999 wrote...
Could you point me to cybernetics mention in ME1? Where they they stated that they are on the for front in cybernetics in ME1? At least for humans. If not your statement is speculation with no facts.
On point, what is stopping Cerberus from reprogramming the reaper tech and using it for their own wants ...like the sr-2 and the communication system in ME2. Point is in those year when Shepard is dead, they could reprogram the tech and reconfigure it  to be use how Cerberus wants.

Not a lot about cybernetics are mentioned in ME1, besides human biotics needing them to control their powers and the rumors that quarians are cybernetic beings.  But I fail to see how that matters.  Shepard is in fact cybernetically enhanced and can find upgrades to them all over the place. You can even buy heavy bone weave on Ilium and Omega!

My statement is speculation.  But it is no more speculative than saying Reaper tech was involved.  Yes it is possible.  But it is not a certainty.  And Shepard shows little to no curiosity in finding answers.

What is stopping them from reprogramming Reaper tech?  Nothing, save their own spotty record in experimental technology.

[dreman9999]

100k wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Shepard did fall in from a stable orbit...It was sub orbital.
2.They don't want to be caught in the planets gravitation pull as well, so boreding is a no-no.

So they can't get on the ship because of the planets gravitational pull...And Shepard did fall at a stable level because it was sub orbital...

Being in the gravity well of a planet does not prevent docking actions - as long as the object you're docking with is in a stable orbit, all you have to do is match your orbital trajectories. How do you think the Space Shuttle used to dock with the International Space Station?

Yes, it does. You have a ship being pulled quickly to a planets atmosphere. How are you going to stablize to to be able to borad it? It would be like trying to jump on a fast moving ship from a slower moving ship. Add in the fact that collector ship is trying no to be dragged in the planets orbit.

I think we have a problem with definitions here. Let me ask you this: do you consider objects like the International Space Station, or our Moon to be in "Earth's gravitational pull"? They are, but they don't fall in because they are in stable (i.e, non-decaying) orbits around Earth.

If the Normandy was already in a stable orbit around Alchera, and you blow away its engines before they get a chance to change course, then the Normandy will still be in a stable orbit (minus a few minor changes due to escaping gases from hull breaches, the momentum of whatever weapon you're firing, etc.)

As I said before....The Normandy is in sub orbit..... Clearly if you look at the opening and how quickly Shepard gets into heat cone when he enters the atmosphere. An object has to be over 100 km/70 miles over the planet average surface point to be orbital. Any thing less is sub orbit. Objects start burning up at 85km/50 miles above surface point. And the Normandy is clearly falling into the planet.
As I said before, It's like someone trying to jump on a  fast moving car from a slower moving car.....They can't do it. Their car has to be at the same speed or more of the car they are trying to get on. And there's a wall quickly coming up. This is really a goo condition to get on a space ship?
The key to getting on the ship is having the other ship maintain a stable move meant....How can they do that if the engines are gone for that ship and the ship is quickly falling into a planet?

My question is how long was Shepard burning in the heat cone? How far does an object have to fall before they escape that kind of -- what is it, -- friction?

The best referance for that is with the highest jump record...



To add on to this...
http://hypertextbook...JianHuang.shtml
It says he fell for 13 mins before pulling the shoot....He fell from 102,800 feet...and his main shoot was open 18000 ft.

Modifié par dreman9999, 16 septembre 2011 - 05:54 .

[dreman9999]

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Could you point me to cybernetics mention in ME1? Where they they stated that they are on the for front in cybernetics in ME1? At least for humans. If not your statement is speculation with no facts.
On point, what is stopping Cerberus from reprogramming the reaper tech and using it for their own wants ...like the sr-2 and the communication system in ME2. Point is in those year when Shepard is dead, they could reprogram the tech and reconfigure it  to be use how Cerberus wants.

Not a lot about cybernetics are mentioned in ME1, besides human biotics needing them to control their powers and the rumors that quarians are cybernetic beings.  But I fail to see how that matters.  Shepard is in fact cybernetically enhanced and can find upgrades to them all over the place. You can even buy heavy bone weave on Ilium and Omega!

My statement is speculation.  But it is no more speculative than saying Reaper tech was involved.  Yes it is possible.  But it is not a certainty.  And Shepard shows little to no curiosity in finding answers.

What is stopping them from reprogramming Reaper tech?  Nothing, save their own spotty record in experimental technology.

I have proof that they may have used reaper tech with facts at lease and their is nothing stating anyway to prevent that. It can't be a coincidence that in ME1 Cerberus is playing with bio-synthetic fusion tech and 2 years later rebuild someone with bio-synthetics.
We would know till ME3, but was at lease have something to help explain how they may of done it.
Oh, and last time I checked....The Lazarus project and the Normandy project were flying successes.

Modifié par dreman9999, 16 septembre 2011 - 05:45 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Arkitekt wrote...

I think it is laughable because we get to see people making so many basic undergrad physics mistakes (such as suggesting that going close to a planet is a "problem" for a ship for "gravitational" issues ROFLMAO), and then try to shove them down to their audience as if they had any clue of what they are actually talking about.

We get to see people telling us how impossible certain events are when it's damned clear that they have nothing but their own indignation against them. "This is outright impossible! No way Shep's brain could have survived the fall! No way this amazing list of bad bad things the brain was exposed didn't destroy it! No way X! No way Y!"

What these people fail to realise is that "impossible things" happen every single day. If they were actually aware of the strangest things that happen every single day on this planet, they would probably be less assertive of what they cannot possibly know since it's also clear they lack the knowledge to do the analysis.

What I find laughable is people desperately trying to defend bad writing, by using fantasy and horrificly bad logic and argumentnation.
The level of fanboy blindness is defying all reason. You wan't impossible? There it is.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Arkitekt wrote...

iakus wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

What these people fail to realise is that "impossible things" happen every single day. If they were actually aware of the strangest things that happen every single day on this planet, they would probably be less assertive of what they cannot possibly know since it's also clear they lack the knowledge to do the analysis.

Then it's the job of the writers to tell us why the impossible is possible.

Shepard's brain remained intact after the fall?  Fine.  Tell me how.

Thing is, this isn't a problem until the nitpickers arrive and start making questions about any single lack of exposure they can find in the plot. It's implied that there must have happened a sequence of events that made it possible. The next sequence after the fall acknowledges the accident and shows what happened because of it.

This should be more than enough.

No. the problem is always there. Only blind findboys pretend it doesn't exist.
They will invent any possible excuse to not have to deal with it.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Again, the ressurection of Shepard is in no way impossible. So stop saying that! They said that they recovered the body. They said it was meat-and-tubes. We saw them reconstruct it with some sort of nano-technology. They said they restored his mind with biosynthetic reconstruction of the neural pathways.

There are interesting questions here about the nature of the technology, since we see the Reapers using this tech too all over the place, and there are some unanswered questions if you really want to geek out over the details but it is not impossible.

But would something like this be technologically possible in 200 years? The answer is absolutely; far more than light speed or biotics.

The answer is absolutely not.
You cannot reconstruct something from nothing. Accurate information cannot be created out of nothing. No amount of technology can ever change that.

It's impossible, it's badly written, it's a poorly used plot device. And that is the only truth about it.

[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...

Yes, it does. You have a ship being pulled quickly to a planets atmosphere. How are you going to stablize to to be able to borad it? It would be like trying to jump on a fast moving ship from a slower moving ship. Add in the fact that collector ship is trying no to be dragged in the planets orbit.

Easy.
Match speed. Dock. Use your own ships engines/thrusters to keep both ships in orbit.

That's all assuming the Normandy was being pulled quickly. If it was pulled slowly, then you have all the time you need to board it, do your stuff and get out.

But boarding in space is generally a bad idea for many different reasons.

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yes, it does. You have a ship being pulled quickly to a planets atmosphere. How are you going to stablize to to be able to borad it? It would be like trying to jump on a fast moving ship from a slower moving ship. Add in the fact that collector ship is trying no to be dragged in the planets orbit.

Easy.
Match speed. Dock. Use your own ships engines/thrusters to keep both ships in orbit.

That's all assuming the Normandy was being pulled quickly. If it was pulled slowly, then you have all the time you need to board it, do your stuff and get out.

But boarding in space is generally a bad idea for many different reasons.

1. They are flying into a planet.
2, They are flying into a planet. How do they  stop?
3. They are flying into a planet. How do they stop....before hitting the planet?

If you read my comments, you'll clearly see that I stated matching speed would allow for one to borad. THE PROBLEM IS THE COLLECTORS WOULD BE FLYING THEIR SHIP IN TO A PLANET AT HIGH SPEEDS.

And if you watch the normandys destruction ....you'll see the ship is falling into the planet very quickly.

Modifié par dreman9999, 16 septembre 2011 - 07:04 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Normandy didn't look like it was flying fast at all...adn it looked quite far from the planet. But hey...cinmeatics are rarely consistent.

Also, what part of dock and change course escapes you?

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Again, the ressurection of Shepard is in no way impossible. So stop saying that! They said that they recovered the body. They said it was meat-and-tubes. We saw them reconstruct it with some sort of nano-technology. They said they restored his mind with biosynthetic reconstruction of the neural pathways.

There are interesting questions here about the nature of the technology, since we see the Reapers using this tech too all over the place, and there are some unanswered questions if you really want to geek out over the details but it is not impossible.

But would something like this be technologically possible in 200 years? The answer is absolutely; far more than light speed or biotics.

The answer is absolutely not.
You cannot reconstruct something from nothing. Accurate information cannot be created out of nothing. No amount of technology can ever change that.

It's impossible, it's badly written, it's a poorly used plot device. And that is the only truth about it.

That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Normandy didn't look like it was flying fast at all...adn it looked quite far from the planet. But hey...cinmeatics are rarely consistent.

Also, what part of dock and change course escapes you?

Look at the start of the fight...How far the ship is from the planet.....then look  at the first kill shot....
....
That is clearly a fast close in to the planet for the normandy.

Also, how is the collector ship going to change the course of the normandy? With what? And then slow down?

Modifié par dreman9999, 16 septembre 2011 - 06:53 .

[Nashiktal]

The moment shep hot hacked in overlord the first thing I wanted to do was slap Miranda for not warning me on just HOW extensive the changes were.

Then I wanted to punch Shep for not asking in the first place.

Shep is expected to fight the reapers and their allies. He faces danger many times that any normal soldier, or warrior would face. He needs to be aware of his strengths AND weaknesses. If this is all just a plot by tim to weaken shep (because he is actually working for the reapers or whatever...) then that just adds to the nonsensical plot!