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[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The answer is absolutely not.
You cannot reconstruct something from nothing. Accurate information cannot be created out of nothing. No amount of technology can ever change that.

It's impossible, it's badly written, it's a poorly used plot device. And that is the only truth about it.

That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

The brain is dead. Shep wasn't cryogenicly frozen. He smashed from space into the ground, cracking him open and exposing him for a month to a methane atmospehre on a hostile planet.
You cannot reconstruct a human from a dead brain.

And no, you cannot reconstruct the brain even if it's frozen.

[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Normandy didn't look like it was flying fast at all...adn it looked quite far from the planet. But hey...cinmeatics are rarely consistent.

Also, what part of dock and change course escapes you?

Look at the start of the fight...How far the ship is from the planet.....then look  at the first kill shot....
....
That is clearly a fast close in to the planet for the normandy.

Also, how is the collector ship going to change the course of the normandy? With what? And then slow down?

Distance to the planet seems to change with the cammera view...and Normandy seesm to travel really slowly.


As to how does one change the course of the Normandy? With thrusters/engines....

[Notlikeyoucare]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The answer is absolutely not.
You cannot reconstruct something from nothing. Accurate information cannot be created out of nothing. No amount of technology can ever change that.

It's impossible, it's badly written, it's a poorly used plot device. And that is the only truth about it.

That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

The brain is dead. Shep wasn't cryogenicly frozen. He smashed from space into the ground, cracking him open and exposing him for a month to a methane atmospehre on a hostile planet.
You cannot reconstruct a human from a dead brain.

And no, you cannot reconstruct the brain even if it's frozen.

Lets not forget that his oxygen deprived brain wouldn't be able to retain past memories.

[dreman9999]

Nashiktal wrote...

The moment shep hot hacked in overlord the first thing I wanted to do was slap Miranda for not warning me on just HOW extensive the changes were.

Then I wanted to punch Shep for not asking in the first place.

Shep is expected to fight the reapers and their allies. He faces danger many times that any normal soldier, or warrior would face. He needs to be aware of his strengths AND weaknesses. If this is all just a plot by tim to weaken shep (because he is actually working for the reapers or whatever...) then that just adds to the nonsensical plot!

Would anyone expect anything would hack you...or more incase your implants? It's more of the fact that what Shep is is new and what weaknesses he has are still unknown. Think of it like the list of warnings on medicine, they had to do alot of trial test with many different types of people under different  conditions. How would this happen if the tests  was only fully done on one person and the fault  of the tech came up in an exstremly unlikely event?

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Normandy didn't look like it was flying fast at all...adn it looked quite far from the planet. But hey...cinmeatics are rarely consistent.

Also, what part of dock and change course escapes you?

Look at the start of the fight...How far the ship is from the planet.....then look  at the first kill shot....
....
That is clearly a fast close in to the planet for the normandy.

Also, how is the collector ship going to change the course of the normandy? With what? And then slow down?

Distance to the planet seems to change with the cammera view...and Normandy seesm to travel really slowly.


As to how does one change the course of the Normandy? With thrusters/engines....

Your not understanding....Docking gear....where is it? Could you point to
it on the ship? Also, the fact they have to speed up to mach the speed
of a ship falling in sub orbit mean they would not have the power or
time to turn their ship. Space fight is not like that.
Also,the distance of the planet changes because the ship is trying to get away. The ship get closer to the planet because the right thrusters are blown off.

Modifié par dreman9999, 16 septembre 2011 - 07:20 .

[Nashiktal]

dreman9999 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

The moment shep hot hacked in overlord the first thing I wanted to do was slap Miranda for not warning me on just HOW extensive the changes were.

Then I wanted to punch Shep for not asking in the first place.

Shep is expected to fight the reapers and their allies. He faces danger many times that any normal soldier, or warrior would face. He needs to be aware of his strengths AND weaknesses. If this is all just a plot by tim to weaken shep (because he is actually working for the reapers or whatever...) then that just adds to the nonsensical plot!

Would anyone expect anything would hack you...or more incase your implants? It's more of the fact that what Shep is is new and what weaknesses he has are still unknown. Think of it like the list of warnings on medicine, they had to do alot of trial test with many different types of people under different  conditions. How would this happen if the tests  was only fully done on one person and the fault  of the tech came up in an exstremly unlikely event?

He is fighting AI god machinges that have destroyed civilization after civilization. Who are also confirmed to be advanced hackers. (Cerberus built EDI with Reaper cyber warfare after all)

Yeah, I think someone should have told him. You are forgetting what shep seems to face on an almost daily basis here. <_<

Edit: another realization. You can't just hack something out of thin air, to hack something you have to communicate with it, to communicate with whatever your hacking it has to be broadcasting, for it to be broadcasting it has to have all the proper equipment to do so.

The very fact shep was hackable means his implants ARE COMUNICATING WITHOUT sheps knowledge. Cerberus would have to know its doing that, they built him after all. And if they don't know, well thats even more evidence to how incompetent they are.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 16 septembre 2011 - 07:25 .

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The answer is absolutely not.
You cannot reconstruct something from nothing. Accurate information cannot be created out of nothing. No amount of technology can ever change that.

It's impossible, it's badly written, it's a poorly used plot device. And that is the only truth about it.

That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

The brain is dead. Shep wasn't cryogenicly frozen. He smashed from space into the ground, cracking him open and exposing him for a month to a methane atmospehre on a hostile planet.
You cannot reconstruct a human from a dead brain.

And no, you cannot reconstruct the brain even if it's frozen.

No, he fell on the dark side of the planet and  smashed into harden unpressuied carbon....That's graphite, if you have a penicl near you you see how soft it is. .He got buried in it. The heat from the fall melted the ice in the area and turned it to water. The freezing of the ice flashed froze his body do to being in the coldest side of the planet.
It would help if you looked up the planet your taking about....

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Alchera

[/b]Alchera[/b]'s crust is composed of carbon
and water ice. While low density, its large size allows it to retain a
thick atmosphere of methane and ammonia. It is believed that if Alchera
had acquired a bit more mass when the Amada
star system formed, it would have formed the core of a second
outer-system gas giant. Alchera has three moons: Uluru, Wandjina, and
Baiame.

....
Also, look up flash freezing and dry ice...

Flash freezing (or blast freezing) refers to the process in various industries whereby objects are quickly frozen by subjecting them to cryogenic temperatures.
For example, flash freezing is used in the food industry to quickly freeze perishable food items (see frozen food). In this case, food items are subjected to temperatures well below water's melting/freezing point
(32°F or 0°C), causing the water inside the foods to freeze in a very
short period of time without forming large crystals, thus avoiding
damage to cell membranes.
Flash freezing techniques are also used to freeze biological samples
fast enough that large ice crystals cannot form and damage the sample.[1] This rapid freezing is done by submerging the sample in liquid nitrogen or a mixture of dry ice and ethanol.[2]
A supercooled liquid will stay in a liquid state below the normal freezing point when it has little opportunity for nucleation; that is, if it is pure enough and has a smooth enough container. Once agitated it will rapidly become a solid.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_ice
Dry ice is the solid form of carbon dioxide (chemical formula CO2), comprising two oxygen atoms bonded to a single carbon atom. It is colorless, odorless, non-flammable, and slightly acidic.[1]

At temperatures below −56.4 °C (−69.5 °F) and pressures below 5.13 atm (the triple point), CO2 changes from a solid to a gas with no intervening liquid form, through a process called sublimation. The opposite process is called deposition, where CO2 changes from the gas to solid phase (dry ice). At atmospheric pressure, sublimation/deposition occurs at −78.5 °C (−109.3 °F).

...
My point being is the planet Shepard landed on has all the conditions for flash freezing. The ground is graphite, which is soft enough to easilly be buried in.
Also, the armor Shepard had on if you look at them now, was cut off. Most like they by the mercs who found him to comferm his body.

[dreman9999]

Nashiktal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

The moment shep hot hacked in overlord the first thing I wanted to do was slap Miranda for not warning me on just HOW extensive the changes were.

Then I wanted to punch Shep for not asking in the first place.

Shep is expected to fight the reapers and their allies. He faces danger many times that any normal soldier, or warrior would face. He needs to be aware of his strengths AND weaknesses. If this is all just a plot by tim to weaken shep (because he is actually working for the reapers or whatever...) then that just adds to the nonsensical plot!

Would anyone expect anything would hack you...or more incase your implants? It's more of the fact that what Shep is is new and what weaknesses he has are still unknown. Think of it like the list of warnings on medicine, they had to do alot of trial test with many different types of people under different  conditions. How would this happen if the tests  was only fully done on one person and the fault  of the tech came up in an exstremly unlikely event?

He is fighting AI god machinges that have destroyed civilization after civilization. Who are also confirmed to be advanced hackers. (Cerberus built EDI with Reaper cyber warfare after all)

Yeah, I think someone should have told him. You are forgetting what shep seems to face on an almost daily basis here. <_<

Edit: another realization. You can't just hack something out of thin air, to hack something you have to communicate with it, to communicate with whatever your hacking it has to be broadcasting, for it to be broadcasting it has to have all the proper equipment to do so.

The very fact shep was hackable means his implants ARE COMUNICATING WITHOUT sheps knowledge. Cerberus would have to know its doing that, they built him after all. And if they don't know, well thats even more evidence to how incompetent they are.

You do know they take control of people by just being. and attack the brian not the tech?
Also, of course the implants are communicable. He uses it to hack things like safes and computers all over ME2, and how do you think he's able to upgrade his implants?

[dreman9999]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The answer is absolutely not.
You cannot reconstruct something from nothing. Accurate information cannot be created out of nothing. No amount of technology can ever change that.

It's impossible, it's badly written, it's a poorly used plot device. And that is the only truth about it.

That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

The brain is dead. Shep wasn't cryogenicly frozen. He smashed from space into the ground, cracking him open and exposing him for a month to a methane atmospehre on a hostile planet.
You cannot reconstruct a human from a dead brain.

And no, you cannot reconstruct the brain even if it's frozen.

Lets not forget that his oxygen deprived brain wouldn't be able to retain past memories.

Yes, it can.

http://en.wikipedia...._clinical_death

Certain surgeries for cerebral aneurysms or aortic arch
defects require that blood circulation be stopped while repairs are
performed. This deliberate temporary induction of clinical death is
called circulatory arrest.
It is typically performed by lowering body temperature to +18°C
(+64°F), stopping the heart, stopping the brain with drugs to conserve
energy, turning off the heart lung machine,
and draining blood to eliminate all blood pressure. At such low
temperatures the clinically dead state can be sustained without serious
brain injury for up to one hour. Longer durations are possible at lower
temperatures, but the usefulness of longer procedures has not been
established yet.
.........
If it could not then Controlled clinical death would not be possible.

[Nashiktal]

Dremen you have no idea what I am talking about do you?

I'm not talking about reaper indoctrination, I am talking about plain old hacking, which reapers DO. If they didn't, EDI wouldn't exist.

For shep to be hackable, his body has to communicate, broadcasting a signal. If its broadcasting a signal, the reapers can see it. If the reapers can see it... Beep Boop, sheps been hacked! Congragulations, shep just lost because no one told him his implants are talking!

He hacks using HIS OMNI TOOL. Not his implants.

Also when you upgrade sheps implants, you don't give it software, you are giving him surgery. What did you think bone and skin weaves were software upgrades?

[didymos1120]

dreman9999 wrote...

No, he fell on the dark side of the planet and  smashed into harden unpressuied carbon....

Alchera doesn't have a "dark side":  it's not tidally locked.  It has a day-length of 59.2 hours.

[dreman9999]

Nashiktal wrote...

Dremen you have no idea what I am talking about do you?

I'm not talking about reaper indoctrination, I am talking about plain old hacking, which reapers DO. If they didn't, EDI wouldn't exist.

For shep to be hackable, his body has to communicate, broadcasting a signal. If its broadcasting a signal, the reapers can see it. If the reapers can see it... Beep Boop, sheps been hacked! Congragulations, shep just lost because no one told him his implants are talking!

He hacks using HIS OMNI TOOL. Not his implants.

Also when you upgrade sheps implants, you don't give it software, you are giving him surgery. What did you think bone and skin weaves were software upgrades?

I know reapers hack...I'm just saying they are worst things they can do then  hacking you....That wouldn't be able to control you through the hacking.

And it's not his omni tool he's hacking with. Remeber....you can hack things and as a soldier.....Where do you think you get the training of it from?

Modifié par dreman9999, 16 septembre 2011 - 08:23 .

[Notlikeyoucare]

dreman9999 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The answer is absolutely not.
You cannot reconstruct something from nothing. Accurate information cannot be created out of nothing. No amount of technology can ever change that.

It's impossible, it's badly written, it's a poorly used plot device. And that is the only truth about it.

That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

The brain is dead. Shep wasn't cryogenicly frozen. He smashed from space into the ground, cracking him open and exposing him for a month to a methane atmospehre on a hostile planet.
You cannot reconstruct a human from a dead brain.

And no, you cannot reconstruct the brain even if it's frozen.

Lets not forget that his oxygen deprived brain wouldn't be able to retain past memories.

Yes, it can.

http://en.wikipedia...._clinical_death

Certain surgeries for cerebral aneurysms or aortic arch
defects require that blood circulation be stopped while repairs are
performed. This deliberate temporary induction of clinical death is
called circulatory arrest.
It is typically performed by lowering body temperature to +18°C
(+64°F), stopping the heart, stopping the brain with drugs to conserve
energy, turning off the heart lung machine,
and draining blood to eliminate all blood pressure. At such low
temperatures the clinically dead state can be sustained without serious
brain injury for up to one hour. Longer durations are possible at lower
temperatures, but the usefulness of longer procedures has not been
established yet.
.........
If it could not then Controlled clinical death would not be possible.

No, no it can't. Nothing in that even comes close to proving it can. Do I really need to explain why that is bull****?

[dreman9999]

didymos1120 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

No, he fell on the dark side of the planet and  smashed into harden unpressuied carbon....

Alchera doesn't have a "dark side":  it's not tidally locked.  It has a day-length of 59.2 hours.

The way I ment it is as a statement  that the side he fell on is in it's night cycle.
The moon is stated to have a dark side but it still rotates...

[dreman9999]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The answer is absolutely not.
You cannot reconstruct something from nothing. Accurate information cannot be created out of nothing. No amount of technology can ever change that.

It's impossible, it's badly written, it's a poorly used plot device. And that is the only truth about it.

That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

The brain is dead. Shep wasn't cryogenicly frozen. He smashed from space into the ground, cracking him open and exposing him for a month to a methane atmospehre on a hostile planet.
You cannot reconstruct a human from a dead brain.

And no, you cannot reconstruct the brain even if it's frozen.

Lets not forget that his oxygen deprived brain wouldn't be able to retain past memories.

Yes, it can.

http://en.wikipedia...._clinical_death

Certain surgeries for cerebral aneurysms or aortic arch
defects require that blood circulation be stopped while repairs are
performed. This deliberate temporary induction of clinical death is
called circulatory arrest.
It is typically performed by lowering body temperature to +18°C
(+64°F), stopping the heart, stopping the brain with drugs to conserve
energy, turning off the heart lung machine,
and draining blood to eliminate all blood pressure. At such low
temperatures the clinically dead state can be sustained without serious
brain injury for up to one hour. Longer durations are possible at lower
temperatures, but the usefulness of longer procedures has not been
established yet.
.........
If it could not then Controlled clinical death would not be possible.

No, no it can't. Nothing in that even comes close to proving it can. Do I really need to explain why that is bull****?

You stated..."Lets not forget that his oxygen deprived brain wouldn't be able to retain past memories."
.......
Now controlled clinical death stop breathing, stop brain activity, takes the blood out of the brain, and nearly freezes the brain with patients recovering full memories.... Clearly all the things done with controlled clinical death stops the brain from getting oxygen...So, the fact that it's been done clearly means your wrong.

Modifié par dreman9999, 16 septembre 2011 - 08:42 .

[TobyHasEyes]

If you do look up the current ideas on cryogenics you will see that the idea that crashing into an ice-y pole preserves you is bogus

At the same time, I really don't see why Smudboy (and others) feel like this is such a huge issue. It could have benefited from a codex entry, with the same pseudo-science as other codex entries, but that is it

Don't know if this is an old school of thought, but I for one don't need every element of a science-fiction's technology explained to me. In the new Star Trek film, there was no good explanation of 'Red Matter' given, but it didn't ruin it for me, you just take it for what it is

And seriously, what kind of person is so distressed by a lack of accurate scientific explanation for a fictitious process that they feel the need to make a Youtube video pointing out that they noticed it?

Modifié par TobyHasEyes, 16 septembre 2011 - 08:23 .

[dreman9999]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

If you do look up the current ideas on cryogenics you will see that the idea that crashing into an ice-y pole preserves you is bogus

I'm not saying the cells would be undamaged. I'm saying if the brain cells are preserved and they found a way to repair the damage cells, they could bring Shepard back. Normally, if it was back in ME1 using only the techfrom  then, it would be impossible to do it. But Cerberus has an ace in the hole....Reaper technology. The tech that turns people to husk useing nano machines to take the elements of the body and turn them into cybernetic parts through  reassembly and bio-synthetic fusion....

The tech has the power to change cells at a atomic level. What if cerberus got their hand on the tech, hacked it and learn how to repair cells at the atomic level with it? Then they could rebuild any cell as long as it's preserved, which can easily happen in super cold temperatures via flash freezing. We already know cerberus started experimenting with reaper tech from ME1. One of the sup-mission has you cross a colony that was turned into husk as a experiment controlled by cerberus. This would mean they were playing with the tech for over 2 years. It's not a coincidence that cerberus started experimenting with bio-synthetic tech and then 2 years later revive Shepard with bio-synthetics.

Modifié par dreman9999, 16 septembre 2011 - 08:42 .

[TobyHasEyes]

dreman9999 wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

If you do look up the current ideas on cryogenics you will see that the idea that crashing into an ice-y pole preserves you is bogus

I'm not saying the cell would be undamaged. I'm say if the brain and cells are preserved and they found a way to repair the damage cells, they could bring Shepard back. Normally, if it was back in ME1 using only the tech then it would be impossible to do it. But Cerberus has an ace in the hole....Reaper technology. The tech that turns people to husk uses nano machines to take the elements of the body and turn them into cybernetic parts through  reassembly and bio-synthetic fusion....

The tech has the power to change cells at a atomic level. What if cerberus got their hand on the tech, hacked it and learn how to repair cells at the atomic level with it? Then they can rebuild any cell as long as it's preserved, which can easily happen in super cold temperatures via flash freezing. We already know cerberus started experimenting with reaper tech from ME1. One of the sup missions has you cross a colony that was turn to husk as a experiment controlled by cerberus. This would mean they were playing with the tech for over 2 years. It's not a coincidence that cerberus started experimenting with bio-synthetic tech and then 2 years later revive Shepard with bio-synthetics.

 Well I respect that the introduction of an unknown (Reaper tech) could make most things possible, as we means we simply do not know, but I would then say that the 'freezing' would be almost an irrelevance (with unknown Reaper tech, for all we know they could rebuild Shepard even if he wasn't frozen)

 And I hope from my previous point you can see that I am sympathetic to the idea of introducing 'unknowns' into sci-fi, and I don't understand the motivating forces that lead someone to feel the need to make them known

[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...
Your not understanding....Docking gear....where is it? Could you point to
it on the ship? Also, the fact they have to speed up to mach the speed
of a ship falling in sub orbit mean they would not have the power or
time to turn their ship. Space fight is not like that.
Also,the distance of the planet changes because the ship is trying to get away. The ship get closer to the planet because the right thrusters are blown off.

Spaceflight is not like that? Really?
Have you seen the speed Normandy is moving at in the cinematic? It's not moving any faster than a car.
Not hard to catch up to. Not hard to change it's course - given the Collector ship is a huige piece of rock with an engine. You can jsut match speed and then slowly change course, efectivelly moving hte Normandy on piggyback. That's all assuming you wanted to. But why would they? They were obviously going in for hte kill.

[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The answer is absolutely not.
You cannot reconstruct something from nothing. Accurate information cannot be created out of nothing. No amount of technology can ever change that.

It's impossible, it's badly written, it's a poorly used plot device. And that is the only truth about it.

That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

The brain is dead. Shep wasn't cryogenicly frozen. He smashed from space into the ground, cracking him open and exposing him for a month to a methane atmospehre on a hostile planet.
You cannot reconstruct a human from a dead brain.

And no, you cannot reconstruct the brain even if it's frozen.

No, he fell on the dark side of the planet and  smashed into harden unpressuied carbon....That's graphite, if you have a penicl near you you see how soft it is. .He got buried in it. The heat from the fall melted the ice in the area and turned it to water. The freezing of the ice flashed froze his body do to being in the coldest side of the planet.

What fantasy scenarios are you cooking up know?
How do you know he fall on the dark side? and what of it? Planets rotate. The darkside would beome the light side.
Where do you get the info that he fell on graphite, got burried?

Heat from the fall melted the ice and turned it inot water? Adn that same heat didn't cook his brain?
Flash-freezing? This isnt controled crygogenics, that large-scale tissue damage waiting to happen.

Just...stop.
Your attempts to defend Sheps revival are cringe-worthy.

My point being is the planet Shepard landed on has all the conditions for flash freezing.

No. Flash freezing is done in labs with liquid nitrogen.
Getting dumped in the Antarctic is not flash-freezing. And flash-freezing doesn't help your case at all either way.

[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...
You stated..."Lets not forget that his oxygen deprived brain wouldn't be able to retain past memories."
.......
Now controlled clinical death stop breathing, stop brain activity, takes the blood out of the brain, and nearly freezes the brain with patients recovering full memories.... Clearly all the things done with controlled clinical death stops the brain from getting oxygen...So, the fact that it's been done clearly means your wrong.

No, it means you do not understand the subject matter at all....

[Someone With Mass]

Kasai666 wrote...

His voice is so irritating, its impossible to watch.

I think it sounds more boring than anything else.

[dreman9999]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

If you do look up the current ideas on cryogenics you will see that the idea that crashing into an ice-y pole preserves you is bogus

I'm not saying the cell would be undamaged. I'm say if the brain and cells are preserved and they found a way to repair the damage cells, they could bring Shepard back. Normally, if it was back in ME1 using only the tech then it would be impossible to do it. But Cerberus has an ace in the hole....Reaper technology. The tech that turns people to husk uses nano machines to take the elements of the body and turn them into cybernetic parts through  reassembly and bio-synthetic fusion....

The tech has the power to change cells at a atomic level. What if cerberus got their hand on the tech, hacked it and learn how to repair cells at the atomic level with it? Then they can rebuild any cell as long as it's preserved, which can easily happen in super cold temperatures via flash freezing. We already know cerberus started experimenting with reaper tech from ME1. One of the sup missions has you cross a colony that was turn to husk as a experiment controlled by cerberus. This would mean they were playing with the tech for over 2 years. It's not a coincidence that cerberus started experimenting with bio-synthetic tech and then 2 years later revive Shepard with bio-synthetics.

 Well I respect that the introduction of an unknown (Reaper tech) could make most things possible, as we means we simply do not know, but I would then say that the 'freezing' would be almost an irrelevance (with unknown Reaper tech, for all we know they could rebuild Shepard even if he wasn't frozen)

 And I hope from my previous point you can see that I am sympathetic to the idea of introducing 'unknowns' into sci-fi, and I don't understand the motivating forces that lead someone to feel the need to make them known

The very fact that the tech changes the body dramaticly  and the thearies to why before an experiment starts would be ther key reasons why. If the reapers can do that to a dead body with that tech, what could humnity do with that tech to themselves.

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
You stated..."Lets not forget that his oxygen deprived brain wouldn't be able to retain past memories."
.......
Now controlled clinical death stop breathing, stop brain activity, takes the blood out of the brain, and nearly freezes the brain with patients recovering full memories.... Clearly all the things done with controlled clinical death stops the brain from getting oxygen...So, the fact that it's been done clearly means your wrong.

No, it means you do not understand the subject matter at all....

Funny, you yet tell me why I'm wrong...So tell me ....Why am I wrong? How is oxygen getting to the brain in controled clinical death?

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Your not understanding....Docking gear....where is it? Could you point to
it on the ship? Also, the fact they have to speed up to mach the speed
of a ship falling in sub orbit mean they would not have the power or
time to turn their ship. Space fight is not like that.
Also,the distance of the planet changes because the ship is trying to get away. The ship get closer to the planet because the right thrusters are blown off.

Spaceflight is not like that? Really?
Have you seen the speed Normandy is moving at in the cinematic? It's not moving any faster than a car.
Not hard to catch up to. Not hard to change it's course - given the Collector ship is a huige piece of rock with an engine. You can jsut match speed and then slowly change course, efectivelly moving hte Normandy on piggyback. That's all assuming you wanted to. But why would they? They were obviously going in for hte kill.

If your comparing the normandy's flight to the movement of a car,then you know nothing about space flight and flight in low gravity. To get a good concept look up low gravity flight then come back. I make a discussion with someone who understands the factors they are taking about.
Also, learn the law of motion, every object in motion stays in motion till it reaches an equal and opposite force.