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[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The answer is absolutely not.
You cannot reconstruct something from nothing. Accurate information cannot be created out of nothing. No amount of technology can ever change that.

It's impossible, it's badly written, it's a poorly used plot device. And that is the only truth about it.

That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

The brain is dead. Shep wasn't cryogenicly frozen. He smashed from space into the ground, cracking him open and exposing him for a month to a methane atmospehre on a hostile planet.
You cannot reconstruct a human from a dead brain.

And no, you cannot reconstruct the brain even if it's frozen.

No, he fell on the dark side of the planet and  smashed into harden unpressuied carbon....That's graphite, if you have a penicl near you you see how soft it is. .He got buried in it. The heat from the fall melted the ice in the area and turned it to water. The freezing of the ice flashed froze his body do to being in the coldest side of the planet.

What fantasy scenarios are you cooking up know?
How do you know he fall on the dark side? and what of it? Planets rotate. The darkside would beome the light side.
Where do you get the info that he fell on graphite, got burried?

Heat from the fall melted the ice and turned it inot water? Adn that same heat didn't cook his brain?
Flash-freezing? This isnt controled crygogenics, that large-scale tissue damage waiting to happen.

Just...stop.
Your attempts to defend Sheps revival are cringe-worthy.

My point being is the planet Shepard landed on has all the conditions for flash freezing.

No. Flash freezing is done in labs with liquid nitrogen.
Getting dumped in the Antarctic is not flash-freezing. And flash-freezing doesn't help your case at all either way.

1.It shown is the crash of the normady scene.
2.It does not matter if it comes to the sunny side, the averge temp of the planet he landed on is -22  celcius, his body will never defrost.
3.I get the fact he was buried based on the nature of harden unpresurised carbon...Graphite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite...It's not a very strong mineral.
And the fact the planet surface is made of carbon and ice water.
4.The heat did have time to cook his brian nor was it hot enough.His body fell less then sub orbital. The super heat that happens to objcest happen to objects comming from an orbital level.(over 100 km)
5.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_freezingFlash freezing (or blast freezing) refers to the process in various industries whereby objects are quickly frozen by subjecting them to cryogenic temperatures.
For example, flash freezing is used in the food industry to quickly freeze perishable food items (see frozen food). In this case, food items are subjected to temperatures well below water's melting/freezing point
(32°F or 0°C), causing the water inside the foods to freeze in a very
short period of time without forming large crystals, thus avoiding
damage to cell membranes.
Flash freezing techniques are also used to freeze biological samples
fast enough that large ice crystals cannot form and damage the sample.[1] This rapid freezing is done by submerging the sample in liquid nitrogen or a mixture of dry ice and ethanol.[2]
A supercooled liquid will stay in a liquid state below the normal freezing point when it has little opportunity for nucleation; that is, if it is pure enough and has a smooth enough container. Once agitated it will rapidly become a solid.....
I see you never read my posts.

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6. Flash freezingin nature happens with froze fossils. The fact we have froze fossil show it can happen in the right conditions. http://www.fossils-f...ils_formed.html

Modifié par dreman9999, 16 septembre 2011 - 10:58 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...
1.It shown is the crash of the normady scene.

What? Snow?

3.I get the fact he was buried based on the nature of harden unpresurised carbon...Graphite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite...It's not a very strong mineral.
And the fact the planet surface is made of carbon and ice water.

It's not a fact. It's your assumption.

4.The heat did have time to cook his brian nor was it hot enough.His body fell less then sub orbital. The super heat that happens to objcest happen to objects comming from an orbital level.(over 100 km)

You cna't prove that either. You don't know how lon Shep spent burning and how hot it was.
And if yo uclaim it wasn't hot enough to cook his brain, why do you assume it's hot enough to melt the ice and create a convenient lake that will cover Shep?

5.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_freezingFlash freezing (or blast freezing) refers to the process in various industries whereby objects are quickly frozen by subjecting them to cryogenic temperatures.
For example, flash freezing is used in the food industry to quickly freeze perishable food items (see frozen food). In this case, food items are subjected to temperatures well below water's melting/freezing point
(32°F or 0°C), causing the water inside the foods to freeze in a very
short period of time without forming large crystals, thus avoiding
damage to cell membranes.
Flash freezing techniques are also used to freeze biological samples
fast enough that large ice crystals cannot form and damage the sample.[1] This rapid freezing is done by submerging the sample in liquid nitrogen or a mixture of dry ice and ethanol.[2]
A supercooled liquid will stay in a liquid state below the normal freezing point when it has little opportunity for nucleation; that is, if it is pure enough and has a smooth enough container. Once agitated it will rapidly become a solid.....
I see you never read my posts.

I seee you don't pay attention to anything other than your fanboy-ish fantasies.

Read the underlined.
-22 is NOT flash freezing temperature.
Being dumped on the North Pole is NOT cryogenic conditions (which b.t.w. require special procedures and chemicals)
Being frozen does NOT guarantee you can revived, even under best possible circumstance.

[Sgt Stryker]

dreman9999 wrote...
If your comparing the normandy's flight to the movement of a car,then you know nothing about space flight and flight in low gravity. To get a good concept look up low gravity flight then come back. I make a discussion with someone who understands the factors they are taking about.
Also, learn the law of motion, every object in motion stays in motion till it reaches an equal and opposite force.

Wow, I don't seem to remember learning about any "law of motion" in freshman physics. Maybe it's because I learned Newton's Laws of Motion, of which you seem to have combined the First and Third, for some bizarre reason.

Anyway, this discussion about orbits is strictly academic. If the Collectors truly wanted to capture rather than kill Shepard, they could have lured him into a ground battle and seeker-swarmed him and his crew. Simple. No need for any convoluted plans to attack the Normandy right when it's in the correct trajectory, around the right planet, at the right time of year, and hope the pilot refuses to follow orders and abandon ship.

[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Your not understanding....Docking gear....where is it? Could you point to
it on the ship? Also, the fact they have to speed up to mach the speed
of a ship falling in sub orbit mean they would not have the power or
time to turn their ship. Space fight is not like that.
Also,the distance of the planet changes because the ship is trying to get away. The ship get closer to the planet because the right thrusters are blown off.

Spaceflight is not like that? Really?
Have you seen the speed Normandy is moving at in the cinematic? It's not moving any faster than a car.
Not hard to catch up to. Not hard to change it's course - given the Collector ship is a huige piece of rock with an engine. You can jsut match speed and then slowly change course, efectivelly moving hte Normandy on piggyback. That's all assuming you wanted to. But why would they? They were obviously going in for hte kill.

If your comparing the normandy's flight to the movement of a car,then you know nothing about space flight and flight in low gravity. To get a good concept look up low gravity flight then come back. I make a discussion with someone who understands the factors they are taking about.
Also, learn the law of motion, every object in motion stays in motion till it reaches an equal and opposite force.

I see I must resport to simple words to get the point across. Apparently, it overshoot your head by a few million miles.
You do not understand the object matter. You think you do. The biggest fallacy of wiki-ninjas and armchair physicists IS the assumption tehy understand by reading an articel or a snippet. You don't., Not even close.

Altouhg this has nothing to do with the overall argument at all...I cannot resist pointing your wrongness.
How fast is the Normandy going in that scene? Not fast at all.

Now...how to slow Normandy..You push it. With the Collector ship. It's almsot compeltely made of rock. It won't break on contact. Match speeds, get to the sides/in front of the Normandy and start de-accelerating/changing course VERY slowly.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yes, it does. You have a ship being pulled quickly to a planets atmosphere. How are you going to stablize to to be able to borad it? It would be like trying to jump on a fast moving ship from a slower moving ship. Add in the fact that collector ship is trying no to be dragged in the planets orbit.

Easy.
Match speed. Dock. Use your own ships engines/thrusters to keep both ships in orbit.

That's all assuming the Normandy was being pulled quickly. If it was pulled slowly, then you have all the time you need to board it, do your stuff and get out.

But boarding in space is generally a bad idea for many different reasons.

1. They are flying into a planet.
2, They are flying into a planet. How do they  stop?
3. They are flying into a planet. How do they stop....before hitting the planet?

If you read my comments, you'll clearly see that I stated matching speed would allow for one to borad. THE PROBLEM IS THE COLLECTORS WOULD BE FLYING THEIR SHIP IN TO A PLANET AT HIGH SPEEDS.

And if you watch the normandys destruction ....you'll see the ship is falling into the planet very quickly.

Actually, it's not.  If you watch the opening of ME2 and think that the Normandy is "flying into the planet" and "falling into the planet very quickly", then you need galsses, or the help of a mental health professional. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...
That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

None of which apply to the situation being discussed. 

Uncontrolled freezing destroys mammalian cells. 

There is no way around this. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 16 septembre 2011 - 01:31 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Your not understanding....Docking gear....where is it? Could you point to
it on the ship? Also, the fact they have to speed up to mach the speed
of a ship falling in sub orbit mean they would not have the power or
time to turn their ship. Space fight is not like that.
Also,the distance of the planet changes because the ship is trying to get away. The ship get closer to the planet because the right thrusters are blown off.

Spaceflight is not like that? Really?
Have you seen the speed Normandy is moving at in the cinematic? It's not moving any faster than a car.
Not hard to catch up to. Not hard to change it's course - given the Collector ship is a huige piece of rock with an engine. You can jsut match speed and then slowly change course, efectivelly moving hte Normandy on piggyback. That's all assuming you wanted to. But why would they? They were obviously going in for hte kill.

If your comparing the normandy's flight to the movement of a car,then you know nothing about space flight and flight in low gravity. To get a good concept look up low gravity flight then come back. I make a discussion with someone who understands the factors they are taking about.
Also, learn the law of motion, every object in motion stays in motion till it reaches an equal and opposite force.

I see I must resport to simple words to get the point across. Apparently, it overshoot your head by a few million miles.
You do not understand the object matter. You think you do. The biggest fallacy of wiki-ninjas and armchair physicists IS the assumption tehy understand by reading an articel or a snippet. You don't., Not even close.

Altouhg this has nothing to do with the overall argument at all...I cannot resist pointing your wrongness.
How fast is the Normandy going in that scene? Not fast at all.

Now...how to slow Normandy..You push it. With the Collector ship. It's almsot compeltely made of rock. It won't break on contact. Match speeds, get to the sides/in front of the Normandy and start de-accelerating/changing course VERY slowly.

Emphasis added -- so I'm not the only one to get that impression here? 

[Lotion Soronarr]

http://www.projectrh...pectscience.php

[Sgt Stryker]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yes, it does. You have a ship being pulled quickly to a planets atmosphere. How are you going to stablize to to be able to borad it? It would be like trying to jump on a fast moving ship from a slower moving ship. Add in the fact that collector ship is trying no to be dragged in the planets orbit.

Easy.
Match speed. Dock. Use your own ships engines/thrusters to keep both ships in orbit.

That's all assuming the Normandy was being pulled quickly. If it was pulled slowly, then you have all the time you need to board it, do your stuff and get out.

But boarding in space is generally a bad idea for many different reasons.

1. They are flying into a planet.
2, They are flying into a planet. How do they  stop?
3. They are flying into a planet. How do they stop....before hitting the planet?

If you read my comments, you'll clearly see that I stated matching speed would allow for one to borad. THE PROBLEM IS THE COLLECTORS WOULD BE FLYING THEIR SHIP IN TO A PLANET AT HIGH SPEEDS.

And if you watch the normandys destruction ....you'll see the ship is falling into the planet very quickly.

Actually, it's not.  If you watch the opening of ME2 and think that the Normandy is "flying into the planet" and "falling into the planet very quickly", then you need galsses, or the help of a mental health professional. 

Furthermore, if the Normandy came out of FTL into a decaying orbit, the bridge crew would not be as calm as they were in that opening scene. If that were the case, Joker would say something along the lines of,
"FTL jump compl- what the ****!? We're in a decaying orbit! Everyone strap yourselves in, stabilizing!"

[Nashiktal]

dreman9999 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Dremen you have no idea what I am talking about do you?

I'm not talking about reaper indoctrination, I am talking about plain old hacking, which reapers DO. If they didn't, EDI wouldn't exist.

For shep to be hackable, his body has to communicate, broadcasting a signal. If its broadcasting a signal, the reapers can see it. If the reapers can see it... Beep Boop, sheps been hacked! Congragulations, shep just lost because no one told him his implants are talking!

He hacks using HIS OMNI TOOL. Not his implants.

Also when you upgrade sheps implants, you don't give it software, you are giving him surgery. What did you think bone and skin weaves were software upgrades?

I know reapers hack...I'm just saying they are worst things they can do then  hacking you....That wouldn't be able to control you through the hacking.

And it's not his omni tool he's hacking with. Remeber....you can hack things and as a soldier.....Where do you think you get the training of it from?

Are you trolling me Dremen? Are you seriously telling me that whether or not you have an omni tool depends on your class? Its not. No matter your shep, you have an omni tool. Why in the world do you think that soldier shep doens't have one?

Reapers can do all sorts of crap to shep, however if they want him alive as harbinger keeps insisting, then when the reapers arrive they can just hack shep just like that. Indoctrination takes time, and apparently tranqs and invisible cords can't hold him down.

Its a blaring weakness. This is a fact. To ignore any weakness when facing ANCIENT GOD MACHINES FROM BEYOND DARKSPACE is pure folley.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 16 septembre 2011 - 03:23 .

[Gterror]

These Smudboy analysis of ME and ME2 really are turning to be a hype in this thread...already 182 pages and counting..

[Nashiktal]

Gterror wrote...

These Smudboy analysis of ME and ME2 really are turning to be a hype in this thread...already 182 pages and counting..

To be fair, people like you probably count for a fair amount of pages.

[Gterror]

I mostly agree with Smudboy points, but as far as ME2 and ME1 goes, you can't explain Bioware to work out every little details, which Smudboy is nitpicking at most

[Someone With Mass]

Nashiktal wrote...

To be fair, people like you probably count for a fair amount of pages.

I'd say that useless discussion about the orbital drop stands for about 40+ of the pages.

[Sandbox47]

Dude... I can't be bothered reading all the 182 pages. Why is this a "BioWare" marked thread? He's a git who is just annoying enough to create discussion and litterate enough to have a few good points. But he's a nerd with a computer nonetheless.

[Killjoy Cutter]

If the Reapers hack Shep in ME3, I will seriously uninstall the game and charge back my credit card after mailing the game back to Bioware.

[Iakus]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

None of which apply to the situation being discussed. 

Uncontrolled freezing destroys mammalian cells. 

There is no way around this. 

Plus it's all moot anyway if dmage can be prevented through temporary, controlled circumstances since Shepard's condition was neither temporary nor controlled.

And in Miranda's own words:  "Test subject has been recovered but the damage is far worse than we initially feared.  In addition to the expected burns and internal injuries from the explosion, subject has suffered significant cellular breakdown due to long term exposure to vacuum and subzero temperatures"

The freezing temperatures actually made things worse.

[Iakus]

Sandbox47 wrote...

Dude... I can't be bothered reading all the 182 pages. Why is this a "BioWare" marked thread? He's a git who is just annoying enough to create discussion and litterate enough to have a few good points. But he's a nerd with a computer nonetheless.

Congrats, you just described most of the BSN commuinity 

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1.It shown is the crash of the normady scene.

What? Snow?

3.I get the fact he was buried based on the nature of harden unpresurised carbon...Graphite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite...It's not a very strong mineral.
And the fact the planet surface is made of carbon and ice water.

It's not a fact. It's your assumption.

4.The heat did have time to cook his brian nor was it hot enough.His body fell less then sub orbital. The super heat that happens to objcest happen to objects comming from an orbital level.(over 100 km)

You cna't prove that either. You don't know how lon Shep spent burning and how hot it was.
And if yo uclaim it wasn't hot enough to cook his brain, why do you assume it's hot enough to melt the ice and create a convenient lake that will cover Shep?

5.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_freezingFlash freezing (or blast freezing) refers to the process in various industries whereby objects are quickly frozen by subjecting them to cryogenic temperatures.
For example, flash freezing is used in the food industry to quickly freeze perishable food items (see frozen food). In this case, food items are subjected to temperatures well below water's melting/freezing point
(32°F or 0°C), causing the water inside the foods to freeze in a very
short period of time without forming large crystals, thus avoiding
damage to cell membranes.
Flash freezing techniques are also used to freeze biological samples
fast enough that large ice crystals cannot form and damage the sample.[1] This rapid freezing is done by submerging the sample in liquid nitrogen or a mixture of dry ice and ethanol.[2]
A supercooled liquid will stay in a liquid state below the normal freezing point when it has little opportunity for nucleation; that is, if it is pure enough and has a smooth enough container. Once agitated it will rapidly become a solid.....
I see you never read my posts.

I seee you don't pay attention to anything other than your fanboy-ish fantasies.

Read the underlined.
-22 is NOT flash freezing temperature.
Being dumped on the North Pole is NOT cryogenic conditions (which b.t.w. require special procedures and chemicals)
Being frozen does NOT guarantee you can revived, even under best possible circumstance.

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1.It shown is the crash of the normady scene.

What? Snow?

3.I get the fact he was buried based on the nature of harden unpresurised carbon...Graphite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite...It's not a very strong mineral.
And the fact the planet surface is made of carbon and ice water.

It's not a fact. It's your assumption.

4.The heat did have time to cook his brian nor was it hot enough.His body fell less then sub orbital. The super heat that happens to objcest happen to objects comming from an orbital level.(over 100 km)

You cna't prove that either. You don't know how lon Shep spent burning and how hot it was.
And if yo uclaim it wasn't hot enough to cook his brain, why do you assume it's hot enough to melt the ice and create a convenient lake that will cover Shep?

5.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_freezingFlash freezing (or blast freezing) refers to the process in various industries whereby objects are quickly frozen by subjecting them to cryogenic temperatures.
For example, flash freezing is used in the food industry to quickly freeze perishable food items (see frozen food). In this case, food items are subjected to temperatures well below water's melting/freezing point
(32°F or 0°C), causing the water inside the foods to freeze in a very
short period of time without forming large crystals, thus avoiding
damage to cell membranes.
Flash freezing techniques are also used to freeze biological samples
fast enough that large ice crystals cannot form and damage the sample.[1] This rapid freezing is done by submerging the sample in liquid nitrogen or a mixture of dry ice and ethanol.[2]
A supercooled liquid will stay in a liquid state below the normal freezing point when it has little opportunity for nucleation; that is, if it is pure enough and has a smooth enough container. Once agitated it will rapidly become a solid.....
I see you never read my posts.

I seee you don't pay attention to anything other than your fanboy-ish fantasies.

Read the underlined.
-22 is NOT flash freezing temperature.
Being dumped on the North Pole is NOT cryogenic conditions (which b.t.w. require special procedures and chemicals)
Being frozen does NOT guarantee you can revived, even under best possible circumstance.

1.He landed on the dark side of the planet...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA04MBu9aIw&feature=player_detailpage#t=468s
2.Stating pure carbon in harden form is Graphite, saying it's not is like saying ice does not turn to water.
3.He still had his armor on. The armor that can go on hot planets and protect the wearer. On point, the only time an object reaches super heat on entry is from orbital falls. Shep is sub orbital.He will heat but it would super heat his body. It's not enough to cook his brain. Also, any tempture more than 0 Fahrenheit is hot enough to melt ice. Sheps body could of hit the gound at 10 degrees and the ice would of melt.
4.-22 Celsius is the average temp of the planet. It like how earths average temp is 59 Celsius. Anyone can tell you it's been much colder on this planet than 59  Celsius this year alown. The average does not mean that the planets temperature is -22 Celsius every where all the time. It just that the average means of the planet is -22 Cecilius. The dark side of the planet is always much cooler than the  average temp and shep landed on the upper north hemisphere. It was super cold.
......
I understand just dumping a body in the cold does not mummify it. It takes special conditions to do that preservation. This is call frozen mummfication. If a body is put in a condition to be flashed freesed it's mummified. We even revived frozen mummies. http://news.softpedi...ife-62040.shtml

But I'm not saying Shep was keeped alive by this..... I'm saying his body was preserved because of this...That cellular decay was stopped because of this. If they found away to rebuild the cells and revive the perseved cells, he can be brought back alive. But only if they have the tech. And the tech that makes huch is the only way to do that. And cerberus happen to be playing with it in ME1.

[dreman9999]

iakus wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

None of which apply to the situation being discussed. 

Uncontrolled freezing destroys mammalian cells. 

There is no way around this. 

Plus it's all moot anyway if dmage can be prevented through temporary, controlled circumstances since Shepard's condition was neither temporary nor controlled.

And in Miranda's own words:  "Test subject has been recovered but the damage is far worse than we initially feared.  In addition to the expected burns and internal injuries from the explosion, subject has suffered significant cellular breakdown due to long term exposure to vacuum and subzero temperatures"

The freezing temperatures actually made things worse.

Then you ned to look at frozen fossils. They are will preserved frozen bodies. If froozen right a body can be preseved. Brian have been cryo freezed and servive. And cell damage is mute if you can rebuild the cell.

[Killjoy Cutter]

iakus wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

None of which apply to the situation being discussed. 

Uncontrolled freezing destroys mammalian cells. 

There is no way around this. 

Plus it's all moot anyway if dmage can be prevented through temporary, controlled circumstances since Shepard's condition was neither temporary nor controlled.

And in Miranda's own words:  "Test subject has been recovered but the damage is far worse than we initially feared.  In addition to the expected burns and internal injuries from the explosion, subject has suffered significant cellular breakdown due to long term exposure to vacuum and subzero temperatures"

The freezing temperatures actually made things worse.

Yes, exactly my point. 

[Sgt Stryker]

Where do you keep getting the notion that one side of Alchera is perpetually dark? The Codex does not mention anything about Alchera being tidally locked, so how can we make such an assumption? Unless indicated otherwise, we have to assume that Alchera behaves like Earth - in other words, it rotates and has a day/night cycle. The only region that could be constantly dark for an entire month would be near one of the poles, during winter. Like I said before, an incredibly unlikely set of circumstances all have to take place one after another in order for Shepard's preservation to have any sort of plausibility.

Oh, and please tell me you made a typo when you said the Earth's average surface temperature is 59 Celcius.

[dreman9999]

Nashiktal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Dremen you have no idea what I am talking about do you?

I'm not talking about reaper indoctrination, I am talking about plain old hacking, which reapers DO. If they didn't, EDI wouldn't exist.

For shep to be hackable, his body has to communicate, broadcasting a signal. If its broadcasting a signal, the reapers can see it. If the reapers can see it... Beep Boop, sheps been hacked! Congragulations, shep just lost because no one told him his implants are talking!

He hacks using HIS OMNI TOOL. Not his implants.

Also when you upgrade sheps implants, you don't give it software, you are giving him surgery. What did you think bone and skin weaves were software upgrades?

I know reapers hack...I'm just saying they are worst things they can do then  hacking you....That wouldn't be able to control you through the hacking.

And it's not his omni tool he's hacking with. Remeber....you can hack things and as a soldier.....Where do you think you get the training of it from?

Are you trolling me Dremen? Are you seriously telling me that whether or not you have an omni tool depends on your class? Its not. No matter your shep, you have an omni tool. Why in the world do you think that soldier shep doens't have one?

Reapers can do all sorts of crap to shep, however if they want him alive as harbinger keeps insisting, then when the reapers arrive they can just hack shep just like that. Indoctrination takes time, and apparently tranqs and invisible cords can't hold him down.

Its a blaring weakness. This is a fact. To ignore any weakness when facing ANCIENT GOD MACHINES FROM BEYOND DARKSPACE is pure folley.

No, I'm not. I'm saying how can a pure soldier hack a door with an omni-tool with no training.

And ofcourse it's a weakness. The whole reason why the reapers did not invade from ME1 is because they underestamated their tergets.

[Iakus]

dreman9999 wrote...

Then you ned to look at frozen fossils. They are will preserved frozen bodies. If froozen right a body can be preseved. Brian have been cryo freezed and servive. And cell damage is mute if you can rebuild the cell.

That's just it.  According to Miranda, Shepard's body wasn't frozen "right."  It actually made their job harder.  Not impossibly hard.  But harder than they had expected.  It did more harm than good.