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[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

iakus wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

None of which apply to the situation being discussed. 

Uncontrolled freezing destroys mammalian cells. 

There is no way around this. 

Plus it's all moot anyway if dmage can be prevented through temporary, controlled circumstances since Shepard's condition was neither temporary nor controlled.

And in Miranda's own words:  "Test subject has been recovered but the damage is far worse than we initially feared.  In addition to the expected burns and internal injuries from the explosion, subject has suffered significant cellular breakdown due to long term exposure to vacuum and subzero temperatures"

The freezing temperatures actually made things worse.

Yes, exactly my point. 

That just a refurance to the total body.  She just saying some of the cells broke down, which is mute if you can rebuild the cells.

[dreman9999]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Where do you keep getting the notion that one side of Alchera is perpetually dark? The Codex does not mention anything about Alchera being tidally locked, so how can we make such an assumption? Unless indicated otherwise, we have to assume that Alchera behaves like Earth - in other words, it rotates and has a day/night cycle. The only region that could be constantly dark for an entire month would be near one of the poles, during winter. Like I said before, an incredibly unlikely set of circumstances all have to take place one after another in order for Shepard's preservation to have any sort of plausibility.

Oh, and please tell me you made a typo when you said the Earth's average surface temperature is 59 Celcius.

I'm not refering to it as being a total dark side. Just that the side what in it's night cycle. Think of it as the same referance as the moon having a dark side.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

None of which apply to the situation being discussed. 

Uncontrolled freezing destroys mammalian cells. 

There is no way around this. 

Plus it's all moot anyway if dmage can be prevented through temporary, controlled circumstances since Shepard's condition was neither temporary nor controlled.

And in Miranda's own words:  "Test subject has been recovered but the damage is far worse than we initially feared.  In addition to the expected burns and internal injuries from the explosion, subject has suffered significant cellular breakdown due to long term exposure to vacuum and subzero temperatures"

The freezing temperatures actually made things worse.

Then you ned to look at frozen fossils. They are will preserved frozen bodies. If froozen right a body can be preseved. Brian have been cryo freezed and servive. And cell damage is mute if you can rebuild the cell.

Who is Brian?  


Are you still going on about the frozen bacteria that are revived? 

You do realize that they're bacteria, and not mammalian neurons, right? 

That the prokaryotes, and not eukareotes? 

That their internal cell structures are simpler and less prone to damage from ice crystals? 

That they've evolved coping mechanisms to survive freezing that mammalian cells haven't?  

[Sgt Stryker]

Shepard's body was on Alchera for one month, or so I've been informed (anyone have a confirmed source for this?). Alchera has a day lasting 60 standard hours. No matter which way you look at it, eventually Shepard will be exposed to sunlight. There is no "dark side" on a planet that has a day/night cycle.

[dreman9999]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yes, it does. You have a ship being pulled quickly to a planets atmosphere. How are you going to stablize to to be able to borad it? It would be like trying to jump on a fast moving ship from a slower moving ship. Add in the fact that collector ship is trying no to be dragged in the planets orbit.

Easy.
Match speed. Dock. Use your own ships engines/thrusters to keep both ships in orbit.

That's all assuming the Normandy was being pulled quickly. If it was pulled slowly, then you have all the time you need to board it, do your stuff and get out.

But boarding in space is generally a bad idea for many different reasons.

1. They are flying into a planet.
2, They are flying into a planet. How do they  stop?
3. They are flying into a planet. How do they stop....before hitting the planet?

If you read my comments, you'll clearly see that I stated matching speed would allow for one to borad. THE PROBLEM IS THE COLLECTORS WOULD BE FLYING THEIR SHIP IN TO A PLANET AT HIGH SPEEDS.

And if you watch the normandys destruction ....you'll see the ship is falling into the planet very quickly.

Actually, it's not.  If you watch the opening of ME2 and think that the Normandy is "flying into the planet" and "falling into the planet very quickly", then you need galsses, or the help of a mental health professional. 

Furthermore, if the Normandy came out of FTL into a decaying orbit, the bridge crew would not be as calm as they were in that opening scene. If that were the case, Joker would say something along the lines of,
"FTL jump compl- what the ****!? We're in a decaying orbit! Everyone strap yourselves in, stabilizing!"

You not getting it. They are in a space ship. A fully working space ships can strop their own decaying orbit. Which is why after it was damaged it started falling to the planet. It's right thruster was damaged and it turn in more to the planet.

Modifié par dreman9999, 16 septembre 2011 - 07:18 .

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

None of which apply to the situation being discussed. 

Uncontrolled freezing destroys mammalian cells. 

There is no way around this. 

Plus it's all moot anyway if dmage can be prevented through temporary, controlled circumstances since Shepard's condition was neither temporary nor controlled.

And in Miranda's own words:  "Test subject has been recovered but the damage is far worse than we initially feared.  In addition to the expected burns and internal injuries from the explosion, subject has suffered significant cellular breakdown due to long term exposure to vacuum and subzero temperatures"

The freezing temperatures actually made things worse.

Then you ned to look at frozen fossils. They are will preserved frozen bodies. If froozen right a body can be preseved. Brain have been cryo freezed and servive. And cell damage is mute if you can rebuild the cell.

Who is Brian?  


Are you still going on about the frozen bacteria that are revived? 

You do realize that they're bacteria, and not mammalian neurons, right? 

That the prokaryotes, and not eukareotes? 

That their internal cell structures are simpler and less prone to damage from ice crystals? 

That they've evolved coping mechanisms to survive freezing that mammalian cells haven't?  

I mean brain.
And who said anything about fully reviving anyone. My point is that cells can be preserved though freezing. hOW MANY TIME DO i HAVE TO SAY THAT I UNDERSTAND SHEPARD IS DEAD. I'm not expecting they defost him and find him being alive still. I'm saying the cells did not decay but are still dead..... All the statement of cellular damage is mute as long as it's presevered. If they can rebuild the cell, cellular damage though freezing is mute. Which is why I stated they used the same tech used to make hush to rebuild the cells. Cerberus has been testing the husk tach from ME1. That's 2 years... If they can hack ir and reprogram it, they can make the tech do any thing, even rebuild damage cells due to freezing.

Modifié par dreman9999, 16 septembre 2011 - 06:56 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

iakus wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

None of which apply to the situation being discussed. 

Uncontrolled freezing destroys mammalian cells. 

There is no way around this. 

Plus it's all moot anyway if dmage can be prevented through temporary, controlled circumstances since Shepard's condition was neither temporary nor controlled.

And in Miranda's own words:  "Test subject has been recovered but the damage is far worse than we initially feared.  In addition to the expected burns and internal injuries from the explosion, subject has suffered significant cellular breakdown due to long term exposure to vacuum and subzero temperatures"

The freezing temperatures actually made things worse.

Yes, exactly my point. 

That just a refurance to the total body.  She just saying some of the cells broke down, which is mute if you can rebuild the cells.

Even if you had a magic process by which you could restore all the structures of the individuals cells, you'd still have lost Shepard's memories and personality.  The human brain is still the single most complicated thing we know of, and you're handwaving away everything about a person that's in that organ and is lost starting just minutes after death even if there was not direct damage to the brain, everything that's lost if there is structural damage to the pattern of connected neurons... 

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...
You not getting it. They are in a space ship. A fully working space ships can strop their own decaying orbit. Which is why after it was damaged it stated falling to the planet. It's right thruster was damaged and it turn in more to the planet.

Given the path the ship is on when we last see it, most of it shouldn't have fallen to the surface at all, especially not in the course of just two years.  And it shouldn't have fallen in a neat little pile as it did. 

[dreman9999]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Shepard's body was on Alchera for one month, or so I've been informed (anyone have a confirmed source for this?). Alchera has a day lasting 60 standard hours. No matter which way you look at it, eventually Shepard will be exposed to sunlight. There is no "dark side" on a planet that has a day/night cycle.

And the average tempature is -22 celcius.....Waters freezing point is 0 degrees..The body would not get hot enought to melt beeing the planets surface is water ice and carbon.

[Sgt Stryker]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Furthermore, if the Normandy came out of FTL into a decaying orbit, the bridge crew would not be as calm as they were in that opening scene. If that were the case, Joker would say something along the lines of,
"FTL jump compl- what the ****!? We're in a decaying orbit! Everyone strap yourselves in, stabilizing!"

You not getting it. They are in a space ship. A fully working space ships can strop their own decaying orbit. Which is why after it was damaged it stated falling to the planet. It's right thruster was damaged and it turn in more to the planet.

I'll agree with the bolded part. A functioning ship can do anything it wants with its orbit, provided it has enough fuel. However, the Normandy only entered a decaying orbit AFTER the first Collector beams struck her.

Of course, the actual mechanism by which the Normandy entered a decaying orbit is unclear. It could have been Joker's evasive action, or one of the thrusters could have been locked in an uncontrolled burn after the attack. It could have even been a combination of the two. Either way, the Normandy only entered a decaying trajectory after the Collectors fired on them.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
You not getting it. They are in a space ship. A fully working space ships can strop their own decaying orbit. Which is why after it was damaged it stated falling to the planet. It's right thruster was damaged and it turn in more to the planet.

Given the path the ship is on when we last see it, most of it shouldn't have fallen to the surface at all, especially not in the course of just two years.  And it shouldn't have fallen in a neat little pile as it did. 

Then your forgetting the laws of motion.
Every object in motion says in motion
till it reach an equal and opposite force.
 What that means that in space in
motion can only be stops with forward thrusters  that make an equal force of
momentum. If no other force is there, the ship does not move. If the ship is
near a planet, it gos to orbit. If could enough it falls is.
The thing you
are not realizing is that the Normandy increased speeds to try to escape, it's
engines were destroyed before it could make enough force to slow down. So you have
a ship, moving in space with know way to stop it self and evasions speeds....
It's right thrusters were blown of so any momentum it could of made pushed it to
the right, were the planet is. With no way of stopping the only equal force is
from the planets gravity. So a fast moving ship is being pull towards a planet
due to the planets gravity and the ship has no way to slow it own
momentum....
So basically, a fast moving ship with no way to stop, is turning
in to a planet.....I would mean it would fall in to the planet, not orbit it.
Which is why everything fell into the planet.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

iakus wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

None of which apply to the situation being discussed. 

Uncontrolled freezing destroys mammalian cells. 

There is no way around this. 

Plus it's all moot anyway if dmage can be prevented through temporary, controlled circumstances since Shepard's condition was neither temporary nor controlled.

And in Miranda's own words:  "Test subject has been recovered but the damage is far worse than we initially feared.  In addition to the expected burns and internal injuries from the explosion, subject has suffered significant cellular breakdown due to long term exposure to vacuum and subzero temperatures"

The freezing temperatures actually made things worse.

Yes, exactly my point. 

That just a refurance to the total body.  She just saying some of the cells broke down, which is mute if you can rebuild the cells.

Even if you had a magic process by which you could restore all the structures of the individuals cells, you'd still have lost Shepard's memories and personality.  The human brain is still the single most complicated thing we know of, and you're handwaving away everything about a person that's in that organ and is lost starting just minutes after death even if there was not direct damage to the brain, everything that's lost if there is structural damage to the pattern of connected neurons... 

Not ture.We have no way of know ing how much of the brain is damage and unrepairible. The outer cell of the body could of been damage but the inner cells could of been preserved.
I looked it to it and it clear that the memeory os held by the neurons. If not than control clinical death would not be possible. With that as long as the mass majority of the neuron are perserved then the brain can be rebuilt and restored if they had the tech. Flash freesing does this, and the planet had all the element to do it as well. It had super cold carbon, it had ice water and methonal, with is used with flash freezing and anti-freeze. In flash freezing they  put methonal in to water to lower itfreezing point. This means that water can get super cold and not melt for some time if Methonal is mix into it. This would be a way to flash freeze a body, and how sheps body stay perserved.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
You not getting it. They are in a space ship. A fully working space ships can strop their own decaying orbit. Which is why after it was damaged it stated falling to the planet. It's right thruster was damaged and it turn in more to the planet.

Given the path the ship is on when we last see it, most of it shouldn't have fallen to the surface at all, especially not in the course of just two years.  And it shouldn't have fallen in a neat little pile as it did. 

Then your forgetting the laws of motion.
Every object in motion says in motion
till it reach an equal and opposite force.
 What that means that in space in
motion can only be stops with forward thrusters  that make an equal force of
momentum. If no other force is there, the ship does not move. If the ship is
near a planet, it gos to orbit. If could enough it falls is.
The thing you
are not realizing is that the Normandy increased speeds to try to escape, it's
engines were destroyed before it could make enough force to slow down. So you have
a ship, moving in space with know way to stop it self and evasions speeds....
It's right thrusters were blown of so any momentum it could of made pushed it to
the right, were the planet is. With no way of stopping the only equal force is
from the planets gravity. So a fast moving ship is being pull towards a planet
due to the planets gravity and the ship has no way to slow it own
momentum....
So basically, a fast moving ship with no way to stop, is turning
in to a planet.....I would mean it would fall in to the planet, not orbit it.
Which is why everything fell into the planet.

I've played / sat through that opening many times, and there's no way I missed a ship turning into a planet! 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 16 septembre 2011 - 07:37 .

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
You not getting it. They are in a space ship. A fully working space ships can strop their own decaying orbit. Which is why after it was damaged it stated falling to the planet. It's right thruster was damaged and it turn in more to the planet.

Given the path the ship is on when we last see it, most of it shouldn't have fallen to the surface at all, especially not in the course of just two years.  And it shouldn't have fallen in a neat little pile as it did. 

As I said before, the  thruster on the right side was blown off.....so he could only do right turns because the thruster on the left side was all that left. The planet is to the right of the normandy. 

[Sgt Stryker]

dreman9999 wrote...

Not ture.We have no way of know ing how much of the brain is damage and unrepairible. The outer cell of the body could of been damage but the inner cells could of been preserved.
I looked it to it and it clear that the memeory os held by the neurons. If not than control clinical death would not be possible. With that as long as the mass majority of the neuron are perserved then the brain can be rebuilt and restored if they had the tech. Flash freesing does this, and the planet had all the element to do it as well. It had super cold carbon, it had ice water and methonal, with is used with flash freezing and anti-freeze. In flash freezing they  put methonal in to water to lower itfreezing point. This means that water can get super cold and not melt for some time if Methonal is mix into it. This would be a way to flash freeze a body, and how sheps body stay perserved.

Great, now the armchair physicist is also an armchair chemist.

Methane and methanol are two completely different substances. Methane is a hydrocarbon and a gas under standard conditions, while methanol is an alcohol and a liquid under standard conditions. Alchera had an atmosphere of methane. There was no mention of any phantom deposits of methanol anywhere.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

iakus wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That's the thing....They are not reconstructing from nothing. Your forget concepts of preservation, flash freezing, cryogenics and frozen fossils..... If you stop cellular decay, the brain cells do not decompose and can be restored. If the brain cells did decompose, then their is know way to do it.

None of which apply to the situation being discussed. 

Uncontrolled freezing destroys mammalian cells. 

There is no way around this. 

Plus it's all moot anyway if dmage can be prevented through temporary, controlled circumstances since Shepard's condition was neither temporary nor controlled.

And in Miranda's own words:  "Test subject has been recovered but the damage is far worse than we initially feared.  In addition to the expected burns and internal injuries from the explosion, subject has suffered significant cellular breakdown due to long term exposure to vacuum and subzero temperatures"

The freezing temperatures actually made things worse.

Yes, exactly my point. 

That just a refurance to the total body.  She just saying some of the cells broke down, which is mute if you can rebuild the cells.

Even if you had a magic process by which you could restore all the structures of the individuals cells, you'd still have lost Shepard's memories and personality.  The human brain is still the single most complicated thing we know of, and you're handwaving away everything about a person that's in that organ and is lost starting just minutes after death even if there was not direct damage to the brain, everything that's lost if there is structural damage to the pattern of connected neurons... 

Not ture.We have no way of know ing how much of the brain is damage and unrepairible. The outer cell of the body could of been damage but the inner cells could of been preserved.
I looked it to it and it clear that the memeory os held by the neurons. If not than control clinical death would not be possible. With that as long as the mass majority of the neuron are perserved then the brain can be rebuilt and restored if they had the tech. Flash freesing does this, and the planet had all the element to do it as well. It had super cold carbon, it had ice water and methonal, with is used with flash freezing and anti-freeze. In flash freezing they  put methonal in to water to lower itfreezing point. This means that water can get super cold and not melt for some time if Methonal is mix into it. This would be a way to flash freeze a body, and how sheps body stay perserved.

"You looked into it"?   LoL. 

You have no idea what you're talking about.  There's nothing on Alchera that is going to "flash freeze" a warm human body.   And... where did you find a reference to methanol?  

Oh, wait, "super cold carbon".  Again, LoL. 

As for memory and personality, if you did more than go skim a couple of articles, you'd find out just how much of what goes on the in brain is structural, in the connections and interactions between the neurons.  Memory is not, despite what you think you read, stored in individual neurons. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Not ture.We have no way of know ing how much of the brain is damage and unrepairible. The outer cell of the body could of been damage but the inner cells could of been preserved.
I looked it to it and it clear that the memeory os held by the neurons. If not than control clinical death would not be possible. With that as long as the mass majority of the neuron are perserved then the brain can be rebuilt and restored if they had the tech. Flash freesing does this, and the planet had all the element to do it as well. It had super cold carbon, it had ice water and methonal, with is used with flash freezing and anti-freeze. In flash freezing they  put methonal in to water to lower itfreezing point. This means that water can get super cold and not melt for some time if Methonal is mix into it. This would be a way to flash freeze a body, and how sheps body stay perserved.

Great, now the armchair physicist is also an armchair chemist.

Methane and methanol are two completely different substances. Methane is a hydrocarbon and a gas under standard conditions, while methanol is an alcohol and a liquid under standard conditions. Alchera had an atmosphere of methane. There was no mention of any phantom deposits of methanol anywhere.

OK, so it's just that he doesn't know the difference between methane and methanol? 

[Soul Cool]

dreman9999 wrote...
So basically, a fast moving ship with no way to stop, is turning
in to a planet.....I would mean it would fall in to the planet, not orbit it.
Which is why everything fell into the planet.

Except, in the final cutscene, the ship is shown being blown apart. Unless you're arguing that the explosion blew every single piece of the ship into one neat little pile all in the same direction on the planet at the same time.


Pretty safe to say you really don't know what you're talking about here.

[Nashiktal]

dreman9999 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Dremen you have no idea what I am talking about do you?

I'm not talking about reaper indoctrination, I am talking about plain old hacking, which reapers DO. If they didn't, EDI wouldn't exist.

For shep to be hackable, his body has to communicate, broadcasting a signal. If its broadcasting a signal, the reapers can see it. If the reapers can see it... Beep Boop, sheps been hacked! Congragulations, shep just lost because no one told him his implants are talking!

He hacks using HIS OMNI TOOL. Not his implants.

Also when you upgrade sheps implants, you don't give it software, you are giving him surgery. What did you think bone and skin weaves were software upgrades?

I know reapers hack...I'm just saying they are worst things they can do then  hacking you....That wouldn't be able to control you through the hacking.

And it's not his omni tool he's hacking with. Remeber....you can hack things and as a soldier.....Where do you think you get the training of it from?

Are you trolling me Dremen? Are you seriously telling me that whether or not you have an omni tool depends on your class? Its not. No matter your shep, you have an omni tool. Why in the world do you think that soldier shep doens't have one?

Reapers can do all sorts of crap to shep, however if they want him alive as harbinger keeps insisting, then when the reapers arrive they can just hack shep just like that. Indoctrination takes time, and apparently tranqs and invisible cords can't hold him down.

Its a blaring weakness. This is a fact. To ignore any weakness when facing ANCIENT GOD MACHINES FROM BEYOND DARKSPACE is pure folley.

No, I'm not. I'm saying how can a pure soldier hack a door with an omni-tool with no training.

And ofcourse it's a weakness. The whole reason why the reapers did not invade from ME1 is because they underestamated their tergets.

You don't hack doors, you bypass them. You have terminals. Its a gameplay thing, not based on sheps skills. If you actually think its his implants then you are being silly. Just like with how you thought sheps implant upgrades were software updates. >.>

So you admit its a weakness? So you admit that Miranda messed up big time for not telling shep about it? Even if the reapers don't do it, shep does fight geth fairly regularly. Besides you are missing the point.

Sheps body can be hacked, which means cerberus built something inside him that communicates with the outside world.

Its a problem, it should have been at least mentioned once throughout the story. ME2's story is a mess mate.

[dreman9999]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Not ture.We have no way of know ing how much of the brain is damage and unrepairible. The outer cell of the body could of been damage but the inner cells could of been preserved.
I looked it to it and it clear that the memeory os held by the neurons. If not than control clinical death would not be possible. With that as long as the mass majority of the neuron are perserved then the brain can be rebuilt and restored if they had the tech. Flash freesing does this, and the planet had all the element to do it as well. It had super cold carbon, it had ice water and methonal, with is used with flash freezing and anti-freeze. In flash freezing they  put methonal in to water to lower itfreezing point. This means that water can get super cold and not melt for some time if Methonal is mix into it. This would be a way to flash freeze a body, and how sheps body stay perserved.

Great, now the armchair physicist is also an armchair chemist.

Methane and methanol are two completely different substances. Methane is a hydrocarbon and a gas under standard conditions, while methanol is an alcohol and a liquid under standard conditions. Alchera had an atmosphere of methane. There was no mention of any phantom deposits of methanol anywhere.

Sorry, I did not proof read it. It ment ammonia. I copied and paste the wrong word. Ammonia can beused as an anti-freeze.

[dreman9999]

Soul Cool wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
So basically, a fast moving ship with no way to stop, is turning
in to a planet.....I would mean it would fall in to the planet, not orbit it.
Which is why everything fell into the planet.

Except, in the final cutscene, the ship is shown being blown apart. Unless you're arguing that the explosion blew every single piece of the ship into one neat little pile all in the same direction on the planet at the same time.


Pretty safe to say you really don't know what you're talking about here.

That explosion is sub orbital.

[dreman9999]

Nashiktal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Dremen you have no idea what I am talking about do you?

I'm not talking about reaper indoctrination, I am talking about plain old hacking, which reapers DO. If they didn't, EDI wouldn't exist.

For shep to be hackable, his body has to communicate, broadcasting a signal. If its broadcasting a signal, the reapers can see it. If the reapers can see it... Beep Boop, sheps been hacked! Congragulations, shep just lost because no one told him his implants are talking!

He hacks using HIS OMNI TOOL. Not his implants.

Also when you upgrade sheps implants, you don't give it software, you are giving him surgery. What did you think bone and skin weaves were software upgrades?

I know reapers hack...I'm just saying they are worst things they can do then  hacking you....That wouldn't be able to control you through the hacking.

And it's not his omni tool he's hacking with. Remeber....you can hack things and as a soldier.....Where do you think you get the training of it from?

Are you trolling me Dremen? Are you seriously telling me that whether or not you have an omni tool depends on your class? Its not. No matter your shep, you have an omni tool. Why in the world do you think that soldier shep doens't have one?

Reapers can do all sorts of crap to shep, however if they want him alive as harbinger keeps insisting, then when the reapers arrive they can just hack shep just like that. Indoctrination takes time, and apparently tranqs and invisible cords can't hold him down.

Its a blaring weakness. This is a fact. To ignore any weakness when facing ANCIENT GOD MACHINES FROM BEYOND DARKSPACE is pure folley.

No, I'm not. I'm saying how can a pure soldier hack a door with an omni-tool with no training.

And ofcourse it's a weakness. The whole reason why the reapers did not invade from ME1 is because they underestamated their tergets.

You don't hack doors, you bypass them. You have terminals. Its a gameplay thing, not based on sheps skills. If you actually think its his implants then you are being silly. Just like with how you thought sheps implant upgrades were software updates. >.>

So you admit its a weakness? So you admit that Miranda messed up big time for not telling shep about it? Even if the reapers don't do it, shep does fight geth fairly regularly. Besides you are missing the point.

Sheps body can be hacked, which means cerberus built something inside him that communicates with the outside world.

Its a problem, it should have been at least mentioned once throughout the story. ME2's story is a mess mate.

Bypassing is hacking.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
You not getting it. They are in a space ship. A fully working space ships can strop their own decaying orbit. Which is why after it was damaged it stated falling to the planet. It's right thruster was damaged and it turn in more to the planet.

Given the path the ship is on when we last see it, most of it shouldn't have fallen to the surface at all, especially not in the course of just two years.  And it shouldn't have fallen in a neat little pile as it did. 

Then your forgetting the laws of motion.
Every object in motion says in motion
till it reach an equal and opposite force.
 What that means that in space in
motion can only be stops with forward thrusters  that make an equal force of
momentum. If no other force is there, the ship does not move. If the ship is
near a planet, it gos to orbit. If could enough it falls is.
The thing you
are not realizing is that the Normandy increased speeds to try to escape, it's
engines were destroyed before it could make enough force to slow down. So you have
a ship, moving in space with know way to stop it self and evasions speeds....
It's right thrusters were blown of so any momentum it could of made pushed it to
the right, were the planet is. With no way of stopping the only equal force is
from the planets gravity. So a fast moving ship is being pull towards a planet
due to the planets gravity and the ship has no way to slow it own
momentum....
So basically, a fast moving ship with no way to stop, is turning
in to a planet.....I would mean it would fall in to the planet, not orbit it.
Which is why everything fell into the planet.

I've played / sat through that opening many times, and there's no way I missed a ship turning into a planet! 

Then you need to look again.

[Soul Cool]

dreman9999 wrote...

Soul Cool wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
So basically, a fast moving ship with no way to stop, is turning
in to a planet.....I would mean it would fall in to the planet, not orbit it.
Which is why everything fell into the planet.

Except, in the final cutscene, the ship is shown being blown apart. Unless you're arguing that the explosion blew every single piece of the ship into one neat little pile all in the same direction on the planet at the same time.


Pretty safe to say you really don't know what you're talking about here.

That explosion is sub orbital.

Irrelevant. Decaying orbits do not work like that.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Sandbox47 wrote...

Dude... I can't be bothered reading all the 182 pages. Why is this a "BioWare" marked thread? He's a git who is just annoying enough to create discussion and litterate enough to have a few good points. But he's a nerd with a computer nonetheless.

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