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[dreman9999]

Soul Cool wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Soul Cool wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
So basically, a fast moving ship with no way to stop, is turning
in to a planet.....I would mean it would fall in to the planet, not orbit it.
Which is why everything fell into the planet.

Except, in the final cutscene, the ship is shown being blown apart. Unless you're arguing that the explosion blew every single piece of the ship into one neat little pile all in the same direction on the planet at the same time.


Pretty safe to say you really don't know what you're talking about here.

That explosion is sub orbital.

Irrelevant. Decaying orbits do not work like that.

Yes, it is. The explotion would increase momentum. The only time an object doen't not fall into a planet when it's near one  is if it's in an orbit or is at an increase speed to contest the gravittional pull. That's the very reason the statemet orbital and sub orbital is used. Sub-orbits have to take account gravitational pulls. Orbits don't because they are out side the full pull of the planets gravity....That's how satellites says in orbit...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite

[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...
3.He still had his armor on. The armor that can go on hot planets and protect the wearer. On point, the only time an object reaches super heat on entry is from orbital falls. Shep is sub orbital.He will heat but it would super heat his body. It's not enough to cook his brain. Also, any tempture more than 0 Fahrenheit is hot enough to melt ice. Sheps body could of hit the gound at 10 degrees and the ice would of melt.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

You're killing me! Killign me! Please stop...my brain cells are dying just reading this....

4.-22 Celsius is the average temp of the planet. It like how earths average temp is 59 Celsius. Anyone can tell you it's been much colder on this planet than 59  Celsius this year alown. The average does not mean that the planets temperature is -22 Celsius every where all the time. It just that the average means of the planet is -22 Cecilius. The dark side of the planet is always much cooler than the  average temp and shep landed on the upper north hemisphere. It was super cold.

YOU...DON'T....KNOW...THAT
You don't know he fell on the dark side.
You odn't know the exact temperature of the place.
You dont' even know if it would flash-freeze him or not....especially if he came down burning..in other words, he gained heat before coming down. that would make flash-freezing more difficult.

I understand just dumping a body in the cold does not mummify it. It takes special conditions to do that preservation. This is call frozen mummfication. If a body is put in a condition to be flashed freesed it's mummified. We even revived frozen mummies. http://news.softpedi...ife-62040.shtml

.. What have I said about subject matter? You have no idea of the implications of things you're refferencing.
And yet you continue to peddle it like a bible.

But I'm not saying Shep was keeped alive by this..... I'm saying his body was preserved because of this...That cellular decay was stopped because of this. If they found away to rebuild the cells and revive the perseved cells, he can be brought back alive. But only if they have the tech. And the tech that makes huch is the only way to do that. And cerberus happen to be playing with it in ME1.

No. Cellular decay happened - we have that in Mirandas report. Her own words.
How long will you continue to deny the obivous? Forever apprently.

[Lotion Soronarr]

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[Someone With Mass]

When Shepard hit the atmosphere, it was on the dark side of the planet because seconds later, you can see the sun rising behind it.

That doesn't mean he landed in the dark side, though.

[dreman9999]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
3.He still had his armor on. The armor that can go on hot planets and protect the wearer. On point, the only time an object reaches super heat on entry is from orbital falls. Shep is sub orbital.He will heat but it would super heat his body. It's not enough to cook his brain. Also, any tempture more than 0 Fahrenheit is hot enough to melt ice. Sheps body could of hit the gound at 10 degrees and the ice would of melt.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

You're killing me! Killign me! Please stop...my brain cells are dying just reading this....

4.-22 Celsius is the average temp of the planet. It like how earths average temp is 59 Celsius. Anyone can tell you it's been much colder on this planet than 59  Celsius this year alown. The average does not mean that the planets temperature is -22 Celsius every where all the time. It just that the average means of the planet is -22 Cecilius. The dark side of the planet is always much cooler than the  average temp and shep landed on the upper north hemisphere. It was super cold.

YOU...DON'T....KNOW...THAT
You don't know he fell on the dark side.
You odn't know the exact temperature of the place.
You dont' even know if it would flash-freeze him or not....especially if he came down burning..in other words, he gained heat before coming down. that would make flash-freezing more difficult.

I understand just dumping a body in the cold does not mummify it. It takes special conditions to do that preservation. This is call frozen mummfication. If a body is put in a condition to be flashed freesed it's mummified. We even revived frozen mummies. http://news.softpedi...ife-62040.shtml

.. What have I said about subject matter? You have no idea of the implications of things you're refferencing.
And yet you continue to peddle it like a bible.

But I'm not saying Shep was keeped alive by this..... I'm saying his body was preserved because of this...That cellular decay was stopped because of this. If they found away to rebuild the cells and revive the perseved cells, he can be brought back alive. But only if they have the tech. And the tech that makes huch is the only way to do that. And cerberus happen to be playing with it in ME1.

No. Cellular decay happened - we have that in Mirandas report. Her own words.
How long will you continue to deny the obivous? Forever apprently.

1. So your telling me that ice does not melt at 0 degrees?
2.Yes, I do. That's how planet temp  averge work.
3.You have yet shown me how I'm wrong about it.
4.Ofcouse it happened. But that does not mean it happened in the core the body. The surface of the body always decay first because it gets the most exposer. That does not mean the core decays and in a cold evironment the core of the body can easilly be perserved.

[Sgt Stryker]

Not that it makes any difference what side of the planet he landed on, mind you. There is no way that Shepard could have been cryogenically preserved, because it's simply not possible in the "wild." Only in a highly controlled environment with special chemicals.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 has surpassed Fixers0..

Congrats.. a new record.

What I find hilarious about this is that he's basically the anti-Fixers, but has exactly the same posting style and lack of understanding of basic logic.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 16 septembre 2011 - 08:48 .

[dreman9999]

Someone With Mass wrote...

When Shepard hit the atmosphere, it was on the dark side of the planet because seconds later, you can see the sun rising behind it.

That doesn't mean he landed in the dark side, though.

We saw the sun in the scene because the camera is behind the planet, not because that part of the planet is turning to day. Take account of the distance the camera is from the planet.

[Someone With Mass]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Not that it makes any difference what side of the planet he landed on, mind you. There is no way that Shepard could have been cryogenically preserved, because it's simply not possible in the "wild." Only in a highly controlled environment with special chemicals.

And if he landed in a pool of completely sterile water.

[dreman9999]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Not that it makes any difference what side of the planet he landed on, mind you. There is no way that Shepard could have been cryogenically preserved, because it's simply not possible in the "wild." Only in a highly controlled environment with special chemicals.

Again. I'm not saying his Shepard was cryo frozed. I'm saying his body was mummified in a state like it. Simmilar to frozen fossils and frozen mummies...http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/photogalleries/mummy-pictures/

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
You not getting it. They are in a space ship. A fully working space ships can strop their own decaying orbit. Which is why after it was damaged it stated falling to the planet. It's right thruster was damaged and it turn in more to the planet.

Given the path the ship is on when we last see it, most of it shouldn't have fallen to the surface at all, especially not in the course of just two years.  And it shouldn't have fallen in a neat little pile as it did. 

Then your forgetting the laws of motion.
Every object in motion says in motion
till it reach an equal and opposite force.
 What that means that in space in
motion can only be stops with forward thrusters  that make an equal force of
momentum. If no other force is there, the ship does not move. If the ship is
near a planet, it gos to orbit. If could enough it falls is.
The thing you
are not realizing is that the Normandy increased speeds to try to escape, it's
engines were destroyed before it could make enough force to slow down. So you have
a ship, moving in space with know way to stop it self and evasions speeds....
It's right thrusters were blown of so any momentum it could of made pushed it to
the right, were the planet is. With no way of stopping the only equal force is
from the planets gravity. So a fast moving ship is being pull towards a planet
due to the planets gravity and the ship has no way to slow it own
momentum....
So basically, a fast moving ship with no way to stop, is turning
in to a planet.....I would mean it would fall in to the planet, not orbit it.
Which is why everything fell into the planet.

I've played / sat through that opening many times, and there's no way I missed a ship turning into a planet! 

Then you need to look again.

At no point in that video does a ship turn into a planet!  


And if you watch the final death of the Normandy, you'll see that there's no way that it could have come down in that neat little spot on the surface.  The major remaining segments are moving apart at significant velocity.  If they had even come down to the surface in two years, they would have come down scattered across the planet. 

[dreman9999]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Not that it makes any difference what side of the planet he landed on, mind you. There is no way that Shepard could have been cryogenically preserved, because it's simply not possible in the "wild." Only in a highly controlled environment with special chemicals.

And if he landed in a pool of completely sterile water.

Not like he need to. This can happen if he landed in carbon mix with ice water and ammonia.
Guess what's on the planet?

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Bypassing is hacking.

Actually, bypassing is like hotwiring a car or picking a lock.  It's creating physical connections between points in the circuitry.  Read the codex and watch the way it works when you're playing the game. 

What it's not, is hacking. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Not that it makes any difference what side of the planet he landed on, mind you. There is no way that Shepard could have been cryogenically preserved, because it's simply not possible in the "wild." Only in a highly controlled environment with special chemicals.

Again. I'm not saying his Shepard was cryo frozed. I'm saying his body was mummified in a state like it. Simmilar to frozen fossils and frozen mummies...http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/photogalleries/mummy-pictures/

Ever get a look at the physical state of the brains of "freezedried" mummies?  

[Soul Cool]

dreman9999 wrote...
Yes, it is. The explotion would increase momentum. The only time an object doen't not fall into a planet when it's near one  is if it's in an orbit or is at an increase speed to contest the gravittional pull.

Momentum. The word you're looking for is momentum. And no, at a certain point, increasing speed is counter-productive to maintaining a stable orbit. You can 'orbit' the earth at 1 foot above sea level if you have enough speed, as well. But if you gain more speed than what is required to achieve orbit, guess what happens? You're not orbiting anymore.

That's the very reason the statemet orbital and sub orbital is used. Sub-orbits have to take account gravitational pulls. Orbits don't because they are out side the full pull of the planets gravity....That's how satellites says in orbit...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite

That is not how orbits work. Please stop posting about things you very obviously do not understand. Gravity also does not work like that. It doesn't matter how far away you are from a planet, it is still exerting a gravitational pull on you. (No matter how infestimally small.)

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
You not getting it. They are in a space ship. A fully working space ships can strop their own decaying orbit. Which is why after it was damaged it stated falling to the planet. It's right thruster was damaged and it turn in more to the planet.

Given the path the ship is on when we last see it, most of it shouldn't have fallen to the surface at all, especially not in the course of just two years.  And it shouldn't have fallen in a neat little pile as it did. 

Then your forgetting the laws of motion.
Every object in motion says in motion
till it reach an equal and opposite force.
 What that means that in space in
motion can only be stops with forward thrusters  that make an equal force of
momentum. If no other force is there, the ship does not move. If the ship is
near a planet, it gos to orbit. If could enough it falls is.
The thing you
are not realizing is that the Normandy increased speeds to try to escape, it's
engines were destroyed before it could make enough force to slow down. So you have
a ship, moving in space with know way to stop it self and evasions speeds....
It's right thrusters were blown of so any momentum it could of made pushed it to
the right, were the planet is. With no way of stopping the only equal force is
from the planets gravity. So a fast moving ship is being pull towards a planet
due to the planets gravity and the ship has no way to slow it own
momentum....
So basically, a fast moving ship with no way to stop, is turning
in to a planet.....I would mean it would fall in to the planet, not orbit it.
Which is why everything fell into the planet.

I've played / sat through that opening many times, and there's no way I missed a ship turning into a planet! 

Then you need to look again.

At no point in that video does a ship turn into a planet!  


And if you watch the final death of the Normandy, you'll see that there's no way that it could have come down in that neat little spot on the surface.  The major remaining segments are moving apart at significant velocity.  If they had even come down to the surface in two years, they would have come down scattered across the planet. 

5:33.....What is the sphereical black thing in the right bottom of the sceen? A planet. Where isthe normandy heading?Right.
6:05...What's above shepards head?.... A planet.
6:52....Where is the normady falling into?......A planet.
....

[Someone With Mass]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Actually, bypassing is like hotwiring a car or picking a lock.  It's creating physical connections between points in the circuitry.  Read the codex and watch the way it works when you're playing the game. 

What it's not, is hacking. 

It's exactly what it's named. Bypassing. 

You're bypassing the security messures in order to open whatever it is that you're bypassing. In the hacking stage, it looks like you're gathering bits of data to assemble a password in order to unlock the system. You're attacking the system head on. That's not what happens when you're bypassing stuff.

[Fixers0]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
dreman9999  has surpassed Fixers0..
Congrats.. a new record.

In what exactly may i ask? It would be easier to know how to win if you know what you need to do.

Sgt Stryker wrote...

What I find hilarious about this is that he's basically the anti-Fixers, but has exactly the same posting style and lack of understanding of basic logic.

At least i don't insult people for not understanding the poor quality of the main narative or the lack of contexts in Mass Effect 2 

Modifié par Fixers0, 16 septembre 2011 - 09:04 .

[dreman9999]

Soul Cool wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Yes, it is. The explotion would increase momentum. The only time an object doen't not fall into a planet when it's near one  is if it's in an orbit or is at an increase speed to contest the gravittional pull.

Momentum. The word you're looking for is momentum. And no, at a certain point, increasing speed is counter-productive to maintaining a stable orbit. You can 'orbit' the earth at 1 foot above sea level if you have enough speed, as well. But if you gain more speed than what is required to achieve orbit, guess what happens? You're not orbiting anymore.

That's the very reason the statemet orbital and sub orbital is used. Sub-orbits have to take account gravitational pulls. Orbits don't because they are out side the full pull of the planets gravity....That's how satellites says in orbit...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite

That is not how orbits work. Please stop posting about things you very obviously do not understand. Gravity also does not work like that. It doesn't matter how far away you are from a planet, it is still exerting a gravitational pull on you. (No matter how infestimally small.)

1.How is a damage ship with no engines going to mantian orbit in sub orbit? Do you not notice the ship has no way to make propulsion?
2. THAT IS HOW ORBIT WORKS. Every satellite on this planet is at or more than 100 km from the planet surface. Any thing less falls into the planet. If you insist on this, I would need you to show me a satellite that is  in orbit less then 100 km.

Modifié par dreman9999, 16 septembre 2011 - 09:26 .

[Someone With Mass]

I think the BioWare designers were aware that a crash site with such low spread will never occur, but they wanted to make the Normandy Crash Site DLC contain as many tidbits of memories and significant icons of the Normandy as possible without having to land all over the place.

Because in reality, you'd be lucky if you found the Mako and the remains of the CIC on the same side of the planet. Or on the planet at all, for that matter.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 16 septembre 2011 - 09:05 .

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

At least i don't insult people for not understanding the poor quality of the main narative or the lack of contexts in Mass Effect 2 

Wait, the prologue had a lack of context, even if we can clearly see what's going on?

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Not that it makes any difference what side of the planet he landed on, mind you. There is no way that Shepard could have been cryogenically preserved, because it's simply not possible in the "wild." Only in a highly controlled environment with special chemicals.

Again. I'm not saying his Shepard was cryo frozed. I'm saying his body was mummified in a state like it. Simmilar to frozen fossils and frozen mummies...http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/photogalleries/mummy-pictures/

Ever get a look at the physical state of the brains of "freezedried" mummies?  

Have you?
The point is they are dead but the bodies did not decay. And thats where the other point of my argument is. Cellural damage is mute ifyou can rebuild the cells.  That why I keep stating they rebuilt the cells with reaper tech....AKA, the nano tech used to make husk.

[Fixers0]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Wait, the prologue had a lack of context, even if we can clearly see what's going on?

Poort writing and awfull storytelling?

And what do we actually see,  just bunch of explosions and some characters that make you want to rage out about their dumb character behavior. 

Modifié par Fixers0, 16 septembre 2011 - 09:11 .

[dreman9999]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I think the BioWare designers were aware that a crash site with such low spread will never occur, but they wanted to make the Normandy Crash Site DLC contain as many tidbits of memories and significant icons of the Normandy as possible without having to land all over the place.

Because in reality, you'd be lucky if you found the Mako and the remains of the CIC on the same side of the planet. Or on the planet at all, for that matter.

I agree on this. But I still feel that much of the debree did fall. Falling so close to gether is highly unlikely.

[dreman9999]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Not that it makes any difference what side of the planet he landed on, mind you. There is no way that Shepard could have been cryogenically preserved, because it's simply not possible in the "wild." Only in a highly controlled environment with special chemicals.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 has surpassed Fixers0..

Congrats.. a new record.

What I find hilarious about this is that he's basically the anti-Fixers, but has exactly the same posting style and lack of understanding of basic logic.

I at lease use facts for my reasonings.

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

Poort writing and awfull storytelling?

And what do we actually see,  just bunch of explosions and some characters that make you want to rage out about their dumb character behavior. 

Awful storytelling?

I thought the way they told the story was rather clear. I just don't agree with all of the content of that story.