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[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I've played / sat through that opening many times, and there's no way I missed a ship turning into a planet! 

Then you need to look again.

At no point in that video does a ship turn into a planet!  


And if you watch the final death of the Normandy, you'll see that there's no way that it could have come down in that neat little spot on the surface.  The major remaining segments are moving apart at significant velocity.  If they had even come down to the surface in two years, they would have come down scattered across the planet. 

5:33.....What is the sphereical black thing in the right bottom of the sceen? A planet. Where isthe normandy heading?Right.
6:05...What's above shepards head?.... A planet.
6:52....Where is the normady falling into?......A planet.
....

Yes, I've watched the video.  Several times.  Where does the ship turn into a planet?    (He's not getting it, is he?)


As for the Normany, it doesn't fall, it's blown into many pieces.  If you don't understand the Normany flying apart as shown in the video you posted, in the scene we've all seen so many times, makes it impossible for the all those pieces to land within a few hundred meters of one another, that's just more proof that you don't grasp the most basic of the concepts you're blathering on about. 

5:33.....What is the sphereical black thing in the right bottom of the sceen? A planet. Where isthe normandy heading?Right.
6:05...What's above shepards head?.... A planet.
6:52....Where is the normady falling into?......A planet.
I take it you did not check.

Modifié par dreman9999, 17 septembre 2011 - 03:31 .

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Not that it makes any difference what side of the planet he landed on, mind you. There is no way that Shepard could have been cryogenically preserved, because it's simply not possible in the "wild." Only in a highly controlled environment with special chemicals.

Again. I'm not saying his Shepard was cryo frozed. I'm saying his body was mummified in a state like it. Simmilar to frozen fossils and frozen mummies...http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/photogalleries/mummy-pictures/

5:33.....What is the sphereical black thing in the right bottom of the sceen? A planet. Where isthe normandy heading?Right.
6:05...What's above shepards head?.... A planet.
6:52....Where is the normady falling into?......A planet.
Ever get a look at the physical state of the brains of "freezedried" mummies?  

Have you?
The point is they are dead but the bodies did not decay. And thats where the other point of my argument is. Cellural damage is mute ifyou can rebuild the cells.  That why I keep stating they rebuilt the cells with reaper tech....AKA, the nano tech used to make husk.

Yes, I have seen the state of those brains, and no amount of "restoring cells" would ever bring those people back.  No amount of "restoring cells" will ever bring back the personality and memories of anyone whose brain has been damaged to that degree, or to the degree that it seems Shep's was.  Too much of what someone is, is in the PATTERN of the cells, the connections and the overall structure.  Restoring individual cells won't bring a person back. 

Shep's brain was not crypreserved -- it was starved of oxygen, slammed into a planet, and then slowly, sloppily frozen and exposed to a very thin atmosphere. 

(PS:  methane and methanol are not the same thing.)

Did you miss the comment stating I meant Ammonia?
And take the "oxygen starved" part out of you comment. I just put the control clinical death link over again since it shows a brain survive with out oxygen.
And you keep forgetting the "preserve brain can be restored" part out.
Any way, we keep going in circles. Believe what ever you want. I put may statement other their and if you don't believe it,that your problem. I just take the you be one of the one whine when ME3 comes out anyway. No point in arguing with someone who just plugs up his ears.

[Soul Cool]

dreman9999 wrote...
That ship would not be able to stay in orbit it any way with that explosion.

Are you even reading what I am typing? I didn't say anything about the explosion propelling pieces of the Normandy to a sufficient velocity to escape the planet's gravity. In fact, you pretty much just made an argument that supports mine! You're doing nothing but agreeing with me in the text and then somehow coming to the conclusion that you are right and I am wrong. You. Sense. There is none.

Now, if your say it should of landed in different places....I agree, that is when the weight of the objects are considered.

Which is why I say the Normandy crash site stuff is all terribly mocked up and fake.

[Sgt Stryker]

If anything, the various bits of Normandy wreckage should have been scattered across a wide area, perhaps hundreds of meters or even miles apart. Which would have made for a perfect Mako or Hammerhead mission, mind you.... Just sayin'.

Oh, and the helmet should not have been right next to the Normandy wreckage.

[dreman9999]

Soul Cool wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That ship would not be able to stay in orbit it any way with that explosion.

Are you even reading what I am typing? I didn't say anything about the explosion propelling pieces of the Normandy to a sufficient velocity to escape the planet's gravity. In fact, you pretty much just made an argument that supports mine! You're doing nothing but agreeing with me in the text and then somehow coming to the conclusion that you are right and I am wrong. You. Sense. There is none.

Now, if your say it should of landed in different places....I agree, that is when the weight of the objects are considered.

Which is why I say the Normandy crash site stuff is all terribly mocked up and fake.

I though you were saying that the normandy would not fall in the planet because of the explosion...which would not happen because the explosion happened in the center othe the ship.

What are you argueing about?

Also, that crash site stuff did happen. You can't just say it did not happen because you don't like it.
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Edit:
Ok, I just when back and read the whole argument....
We are arguing about two different things.
I'm arguing that the major  pieces of the Normandy fell on planet.
You arguing that they should not be together..


All this is point less, your right and I'm right. We are agreeing on the same thing just not seeing on the same level. You came in when I was arguing about the ship being drawn into the planet but you were arguing about the placement not the entry.
So let end this. Your right....They should not be together but it's forgivable that the did that. It's too minor to really hate.

Modifié par dreman9999, 17 septembre 2011 - 04:13 .

[TwistedComplex]

Dude... Who the f*** has the time or patience to watch 11 videos of this guy?

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 17 septembre 2011 - 04:06 .

[Deganis76]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Dude... Who the f*** has the time or patience to watch 11 videos of this guy?

Not I.  I made it through 1 half of one video.  Listen to the dude's snooty arrogant voice nitpick every feature of the game was like listening to a dentist's drill grind against a chalkboard.

[shepskisaac]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Dude... Who the f*** has the time or patience to watch 11 videos of this guy?

I've watched a few. The editing's fun and makes some of the videos quite entertaining, other than, it's puzzling to me why he's spending so much time producing these videos. I get he loves the series yet at the same time is frustrated with many things in it, but really, how many videos did he make already lol? Probably took him more time then he spent actually playing the games. Is it really worth bothering with a series that irritates you so much that you devote so much time to nit-pick on everything to this degree?

[Iakus]

IsaacShep wrote...

I've watched a few. The editing's fun and makes some of the videos quite entertaining, other than, it's puzzling to me why he's spending so much time producing these videos. I get he loves the series yet at the same time is frustrated with many things in it, but really, how many videos did he make already lol? Probably took him more time then he spent actually playing the games. Is it really worth bothering with a series that irritates you so much that you devote so much time to nit-pick on everything to this degree?

He may find it fun to do.  Everyone needs a hobby.

And I for one found them quite entertaining.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Soul Cool wrote...

I have no problem with suspension of disbelief. I just have a problem with people trying to argue that it's realistic and easily explainable.

It's not. 

Which is why BioWare decided to not go into detail about it. I can accept that, because I can see how difficult it might be to explain such an event in a believable way.

Also, it's much better than the original prologue, where the player gets to control Legion while helping Liara locate Shepard's body. That'd be much worse.

I rewrote the intro in under thirty minutes, changed about ten seconds of one scene, kept the overall premise and managed to explain everything without too much of a hiccup. The only acute difference between my rewrite and the original draft is Shepard was in stasis. Why was this not adopted? Simple, "Shepard is dead but brought back to life!" is a better marketing gimmick. The intro scene is nothing more than advertisement of "kewl" explosions.

As for dreamer. Normally I would say, "Arguing with him is pointless. He will just drag you down to his level and beat you with experience" but somehow that is not the case, since he still ends up being wrong.

TwistedComplex wrote...

Dude... Who the f*** has the time or patience to watch 11 videos of this guy?

I suppose I do, since I have watched every video of his, most twice in fact and the occasional third if I need a point of reference. They are not that long and have an entertainment value, if you can accept the fact he isn't praising ME2. Keep in mind that is a generalization and thus not directed to anyone specifically. Nonetheless, I do feel much of the Smudboy hate can be attributed toward his ripping apart ME2, then whether he is correct or not in his analysis.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 17 septembre 2011 - 05:57 .

[Sgt Stryker]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I rewrote the intro in under thirty minutes, changed about ten seconds of one scene, kept the overall premise and managed to explain everything without too much of a hiccup. The only acute difference between my rewrite and the original draft is Shepard was in stasis. Why was this not adopted? Simple, "Shepard is dead but brought back to life!" is a better marketing gimmick. The intro scene is nothing more than advertisement of "kewl" explosions.

See, the thing is, a missing-presumed-dead-but-not-actually-dead scenario could still work if you wanted to incorporate a marketing gimmick into it. Just have the marketing take on the rest of the galaxy's point of view, rather than Cerberus' point of view.

[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. So your telling me that ice does not melt at 0 degrees?

Tell you what. Go to the north pole and stick your hand in the ice...the human body temperature is 36°C. That should melt the ice according to you.
Guess what? It won't.

2.Yes, I do. That's how planet temp  averge work.

No, you odn't know that. You're assuming. You have no idea where shep fell. Stop talking smack.

3.You have yet shown me how I'm wrong about it.

Me and everyone else shown you already. but you're impervious to reason.

4.Ofcouse it happened. But that does not mean it happened in the core the body. The surface of the body always decay first because it gets the most exposer. That does not mean the core decays and in a cold evironment the core of the body can easilly be perserved.

Shep was broken after the fall. Decay does not follow the rules of you convenience. The brain would be the first thing to decay, if anything.

[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...
I at lease use facts for my reasonings.

Where?

[didymos1120]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Shep's brain was not crypreserved -- it was starved of oxygen, slammed into a planet, and then slowly, sloppily frozen and exposed to a very thin atmosphere. 

.83 atmospheres is not particularly thin.  As for what effects a methane-ammonia atomosphere would have on a corpse, much less the brain specifically, can't really say.  However, it's pretty damn cold on Alchera, so in general, reaction rates wouldn't be very high, including those involved in decay.  And it's not like Shep was still metabolizing, so not much would have gotten into his/her system.

Modifié par didymos1120, 17 septembre 2011 - 08:00 .

[CroGamer002]

[Someone With Mass]

Mesina2 wrote...

*snip*

Ha. I wouldn't be surprised if someone did that.

[CroGamer002]

^Did I ever said I got new monitor a month ago?

[Morty Smith]

Bioware, hire smudboy.

End of line.

[onelifecrisis]

Brenon Holmes wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

A Youtube commentator that made it his mission to nitpick every SINGLE bloody flaw in a Bioware story. You should get Mac Walters to check him out. He makes several valid points concerning plotholes in ME2 but he generally ends up coming across as criticizing just for the sake of nitpicking. 

I haven't actually watched them, mostly because of the reactions that most people seem to have to it... so I can guess what the content is probably like...

Now if it was like RedLetterMedia's Star Wars stuff... I'd probably totally watch it. :happy:

'Cuz that **** is hillarious.

Please tell me that *someone* at BW has watched them? Smudboy's criticism is 100% constructive. He never once says what's bad without saying why it's bad and how it could have been done better. Not everyone agrees with him, clearly, but I don't think he should be dismissed out of hand as a ranter by a company that supposedly values fan feedback.

Edited for typos.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 17 septembre 2011 - 01:28 .

[Arkitekt]

aznricepuff wrote...

Simple answer: the general populace isn't smart enough to know that you can only send quantum information via entanglement-assisted quantum teleportation. It's the same reason why they don't care that the idea of mass effect fields allowing for FTL travel (even assuming mass effect fields work the way they're supposed to in-universe) is equally ludicrous if you know anything about relativity.

Of course. And the hilarious part is that Shepard's fall compared to many many things in ME is clearly in the realm of the blatantly possible. So there goes my admiration for humanity's intelligence...

[Arkitekt]

iakus wrote...

Okay, name me a race or organization in the ME universe that has ressurection technology besides Cerberus?  Heck name one that's even trying to invent it.  Thus why Reaper tech is one fo th efew halfway plausible answers out there.  The reason so few people are suprised is because they assume Shepard never died in the first place.  That the reports were mistaken or Shep faked his death to go work for Cerberus.  They're not thinking "Oh, he must have been brought back from the dead with the power of SCIENCE!" because that's clearly not possible.  Or at least, it wasn't before.

So why did you referenced them then? To troll your audience? What do you even mean by "ressurection technology"? People wake up from comas they've had for twenty years. Was that also "ressurection technology"? Unless you know what exactly was the procedure that cured Shepard, why do you keep making **** up? I'm beggining to think it's beyond your own will, it's an itch that you have.
 

And if this was a Mario Brothers game, I can accept that the 1-Up mushroom gives me an extra life.  In a complex interactive universe such as the Mass Effect galaxy, I need more than that.  Shooting mercs and accumulating random bad****es can only distract me for so long.

You need wrong ideas but transmitted with confidence so that you may approve. You need that correct ideas that you find impossible to believe not to be transmitted at all so that you may approve. And all in the name of "realism", that must be the punch line, I'm sure.

And while some ideas have been floated on how brain tissue may have been preserved (with greater and leser degrees of plausibility) Nothing tells me how the brain and its personality got back online.  How does a brain go from zero to fully functioning with no side effects?   Because whatever condition the brain was in after the crash, it was nonfunctional.  Do you know how we know this?

Because Shepard was dead!.  Not pining.  He's passed on!  The commander was no more!  He's ceased to be!  He's expired and gone to meet his Maker.  He's a stiff!  Bereft of life, he rests in peace!  If they hadn't nailed him to the table he'd be pushing up the daisies!  His metabolic process were history!  He's off the twig!  He's kicked the bucket, he's shuffled off his mortal coil run down teh curtain and joined teh bleeding choir invisible!  He's effing snuffed it!  This is an ex-Spectre!

It's amazing the things you "know" just because you .... ahhh.... you know! I love the way you pound on the table, as if it brings some strenght to your position at all. You know nothing at all about what happened to Shepard, and you are already making pronounciations about his metaphysical encounter with his relatives and creator(s) (before you tell me it was a joke, I assure you I got it perfectly).

And if you think I'm "making stuff up" Everything about the Lazarus Project down to its' very name says so!  If in ME3 it turns out Shepard was never really dead, it will be either the biggest twist or the biggest copout in gaming history

There are multiple definitions of being "dead". Some peculiar ones are still possible to retrieve to "non-dead status". Clearly Shepard was in one of those. This is utterly uncontroversial and simple to explain, were it not for the amazing stubburness of yourself and some others who are adamant to prove themselves right by saying inane things like "BuT SHEpard's DEAD!!" what a facepalm.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I've played / sat through that opening many times, and there's no way I missed a ship turning into a planet! 

Then you need to look again.

At no point in that video does a ship turn into a planet!  


And if you watch the final death of the Normandy, you'll see that there's no way that it could have come down in that neat little spot on the surface.  The major remaining segments are moving apart at significant velocity.  If they had even come down to the surface in two years, they would have come down scattered across the planet. 

5:33.....What is the sphereical black thing in the right bottom of the sceen? A planet. Where isthe normandy heading?Right.
6:05...What's above shepards head?.... A planet.
6:52....Where is the normady falling into?......A planet.
....

Yes, I've watched the video.  Several times.  Where does the ship turn into a planet?    (He's not getting it, is he?)


As for the Normany, it doesn't fall, it's blown into many pieces.  If you don't understand the Normany flying apart as shown in the video you posted, in the scene we've all seen so many times, makes it impossible for the all those pieces to land within a few hundred meters of one another, that's just more proof that you don't grasp the most basic of the concepts you're blathering on about. 

5:33.....What is the sphereical black thing in the right bottom of the sceen? A planet. Where isthe normandy heading?Right.
6:05...What's above shepards head?.... A planet.
6:52....Where is the normady falling into?......A planet.
I take it you did not check.

I've played it enough times to lose count, and watched that video half a dozen times.  Do you get the following joke:  "A mystic walks up to a hotdog vendor, and says 'Make we one with everything!'"

As for the Normandy, it's not falling when we last see it.  It's blown to pieces... right there in the video you keep telling me to watch. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Not that it makes any difference what side of the planet he landed on, mind you. There is no way that Shepard could have been cryogenically preserved, because it's simply not possible in the "wild." Only in a highly controlled environment with special chemicals.

Again. I'm not saying his Shepard was cryo frozed. I'm saying his body was mummified in a state like it. Simmilar to frozen fossils and frozen mummies...http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/photogalleries/mummy-pictures/

5:33.....What is the sphereical black thing in the right bottom of the sceen? A planet. Where isthe normandy heading?Right.
6:05...What's above shepards head?.... A planet.
6:52....Where is the normady falling into?......A planet.
Ever get a look at the physical state of the brains of "freezedried" mummies?  

Have you?
The point is they are dead but the bodies did not decay. And thats where the other point of my argument is. Cellural damage is mute ifyou can rebuild the cells.  That why I keep stating they rebuilt the cells with reaper tech....AKA, the nano tech used to make husk.

Yes, I have seen the state of those brains, and no amount of "restoring cells" would ever bring those people back.  No amount of "restoring cells" will ever bring back the personality and memories of anyone whose brain has been damaged to that degree, or to the degree that it seems Shep's was.  Too much of what someone is, is in the PATTERN of the cells, the connections and the overall structure.  Restoring individual cells won't bring a person back. 

Shep's brain was not crypreserved -- it was starved of oxygen, slammed into a planet, and then slowly, sloppily frozen and exposed to a very thin atmosphere. 

(PS:  methane and methanol are not the same thing.)

Did you miss the comment stating I meant Ammonia?
And take the "oxygen starved" part out of you comment. I just put the control clinical death link over again since it shows a brain survive with out oxygen.
And you keep forgetting the "preserve brain can be restored" part out.
Any way, we keep going in circles. Believe what ever you want. I put may statement other their and if you don't believe it,that your problem. I just take the you be one of the one whine when ME3 comes out anyway. No point in arguing with someone who just plugs up his ears.

Irony, thy name is dreman. 

Where is Shep's brain getting oxygen?  His suit's air system failed, you can watch it in the video you keep refering to that supposedly shows the Normandy turning into a planet.  (He's still not getting it.)   From the time that Shep's hardsuit fails, he's without an oxygen supply.  Even if his brain is frozen solid half an hour later (bare minimum time required unless you literally douse it in liquid nitrogen or the like), that's half an hour with no oxygen. 

What you're continuing to ignore is that even if Shep's brain cells can be restored from the oxygen deprivation, vacuum exposure, toxic ammonia and methane exposure, and freezing DAMAGE, you've still lost all/most of the connections between the neurons that are so critical, and have no way of knowing which neuron connected to which other neurons. 

Of course, once you go down to Alchera in the DLC content... there's dead grass...   so who knows what's going on down there...  maybe it will turn out to be a magic planet... 

[Arkitekt]

Normandy's remains being all together is obviously incompatible with what we see in game with the ship being blown to pieces. However, it's not something that ruins any experience of the game. It's a small oversight.

I'm sure there are more interesting nitpicks and pettiness from Smudboy, or else I'm going to think it all boils down to these kinds of shenanigans.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Soul Cool wrote...
Are you even reading what I am typing? I didn't say anything about the explosion propelling pieces of the Normandy to a sufficient velocity to escape the planet's gravity. In fact, you pretty much just made an argument that supports mine! You're doing nothing but agreeing with me in the text and then somehow coming to the conclusion that you are right and I am wrong. You. Sense. There is none.

Now, if your say it should of landed in different places....I agree, that is when the weight of the objects are considered.

Which is why I say the Normandy crash site stuff is all terribly mocked up and fake.

That's what we're all dealing with... he posts things that show he's wrong, and then trumpets them as proving he's right, and doesn't comprehend it. 

I've given him half a dozen chances to catch a joke I'm making at the expense of his sloppy wording, and he doesn't get it.  He's either mentally disabled somehow, or barely understands English, or under the age of 10.