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[Killjoy Cutter]

Arkitekt wrote...

Normandy's remains being all together is obviously incompatible with what we see in game with the ship being blown to pieces. However, it's not something that ruins any experience of the game. It's a small oversight.

I'm sure there are more interesting nitpicks and pettiness from Smudboy, or else I'm going to think it all boils down to these kinds of shenanigans.

I'm not even going by Smudboy's commentary.  I'm just mentioning things I've noticed that show sloppy work and a lack of basic homework on the part of the writers and animators. 

[didymos1120]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I'm not even going by Smudboy's commentary.  I'm just mentioning things I've noticed that show sloppy work and a lack of basic homework on the part of the writers and animators. 

No, you assume that they didn't do basic homework, whereas it's entirely possible they did but chose to disregard it for any number of reasons.  See: sound in space.

[Beerfish]

Easy explanation, Normandys wreckage as gathered and then dropped on the planet byt the shadwo broker and his agents. They were seeking out Shepards body and had to do some sifitng around. They then left in a hurry, leaving the wreckage they had collected on the surface. Much like you see crash reconstruction of planes here on earth,

[Killjoy Cutter]

didymos1120 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I'm not even going by Smudboy's commentary.  I'm just mentioning things I've noticed that show sloppy work and a lack of basic homework on the part of the writers and animators. 

No, you assume that they didn't do basic homework, whereas it's entirely possible they did but chose to disregard it for any number of reasons.  See: sound in space.

So things like tufts of dead grass on a lifeless world are "on purpose"? 


Hmmm... 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Beerfish wrote...

Easy explanation, Normandys wreckage as gathered and then dropped on the planet byt the shadwo broker and his agents. They were seeking out Shepards body and had to do some sifitng around. They then left in a hurry, leaving the wreckage they had collected on the surface. Much like you see crash reconstruction of planes here on earth,

  Good one.

[Arkitekt]

But that ain't "sloppy work" and lack of "basic homework" at all. It's a game design decision. They didn't want to create a Mako level, instead just one level sufficiently small so your Shepard on foot won't be bored by the walking, but sufficiently big enough to have the Normandy's parts apart.

It's the kind of inconsistency that would never irritate me.

[CroGamer002]

Kroitz wrote...

Bioware, hire smudboy.

End of line.

Didn't work out.

[Arkitekt]

That is hilarious.

[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I'm not even going by Smudboy's commentary.  I'm just mentioning things I've noticed that show sloppy work and a lack of basic homework on the part of the writers and animators. 

No, you assume that they didn't do basic homework, whereas it's entirely possible they did but chose to disregard it for any number of reasons.  See: sound in space.

See: Not making it so the player is forced to do multiple landings on the same planet to experience a rather short and free DLC.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

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dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I've played / sat through that opening many times, and there's no way I missed a ship turning into a planet! 

Then you need to look again.

At no point in that video does a ship turn into a planet!  


And if you watch the final death of the Normandy, you'll see that there's no way that it could have come down in that neat little spot on the surface.  The major remaining segments are moving apart at significant velocity.  If they had even come down to the surface in two years, they would have come down scattered across the planet. 

5:33.....What is the sphereical black thing in the right bottom of the sceen? A planet. Where isthe normandy heading?Right.
6:05...What's above shepards head?.... A planet.
6:52....Where is the normady falling into?......A planet.
....

Yes, I've watched the video.  Several times.  Where does the ship turn into a planet?    (He's not getting it, is he?)


As for the Normany, it doesn't fall, it's blown into many pieces.  If you don't understand the Normany flying apart as shown in the video you posted, in the scene we've all seen so many times, makes it impossible for the all those pieces to land within a few hundred meters of one another, that's just more proof that you don't grasp the most basic of the concepts you're blathering on about. 

5:33.....What is the sphereical black thing in the right bottom of the sceen? A planet. Where isthe normandy heading?Right.
6:05...What's above shepards head?.... A planet.
6:52....Where is the normady falling into?......A planet.
I take it you did not check.

I've played it enough times to lose count, and watched that video half a dozen times.  Do you get the following joke:  "A mystic walks up to a hotdog vendor, and says 'Make we one with everything!'"

As for the Normandy, it's not falling when we last see it.  It's blown to pieces... right there in the video you keep telling me to watch. 

As I said before..
5:33.....What is the sphereical black thing in the right bottom of the sceen? A planet. Where isthe normandy heading?Right.
6:05...What's above shepards head?.... A planet.
6:52....Where is the normady falling into?......A planet.

If you want...I can draw you a picture...
Also, the explosion is irrelivent based on the normandy crash site dlc....It fell on the planet any way.

[Fixers0]

Mesina2 wrote...

Kroitz wrote...

Bioware, hire smudboy.

End of line.

Didn't work out.

So why don't we send him all new audio equipment.

[Arkitekt]

Or Antrax...

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

So why don't we send him all new audio equipment.

Because YouTube and BioWare can survive without him.

Criticism is only good when it is constructive and applied in small doses, so the work relation between the designers and writers won't die in a fiery crash.

[Fixers0]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Because YouTube and BioWare can survive without him.

Yes but it is good to have a voice of reason between all these biased fanboy's

Someone With Mass wrote...
Criticism is only good when it is constructive and applied in small doses, so the work relation between the designers and writers won't die in a fiery crash.

Agreed, which is why bioware need to watch Smudboy's videos.

[Arkitekt]

advising Bioware to look to Smudboy's videos is like advising someone to eat ****.

No one who has an interest to build something interesting should listen to Smudboy's videos.

Only people who want to waste time. And sometimes I do.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

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dreman9999 wrote...

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dreman9999 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Not that it makes any difference what side of the planet he landed on, mind you. There is no way that Shepard could have been cryogenically preserved, because it's simply not possible in the "wild." Only in a highly controlled environment with special chemicals.

Again. I'm not saying his Shepard was cryo frozed. I'm saying his body was mummified in a state like it. Simmilar to frozen fossils and frozen mummies...http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/photogalleries/mummy-pictures/

5:33.....What is the sphereical black thing in the right bottom of the sceen? A planet. Where isthe normandy heading?Right.
6:05...What's above shepards head?.... A planet.
6:52....Where is the normady falling into?......A planet.
Ever get a look at the physical state of the brains of "freezedried" mummies?  

Have you?
The point is they are dead but the bodies did not decay. And thats where the other point of my argument is. Cellural damage is mute ifyou can rebuild the cells.  That why I keep stating they rebuilt the cells with reaper tech....AKA, the nano tech used to make husk.

Yes, I have seen the state of those brains, and no amount of "restoring cells" would ever bring those people back.  No amount of "restoring cells" will ever bring back the personality and memories of anyone whose brain has been damaged to that degree, or to the degree that it seems Shep's was.  Too much of what someone is, is in the PATTERN of the cells, the connections and the overall structure.  Restoring individual cells won't bring a person back. 

Shep's brain was not crypreserved -- it was starved of oxygen, slammed into a planet, and then slowly, sloppily frozen and exposed to a very thin atmosphere. 

(PS:  methane and methanol are not the same thing.)

Did you miss the comment stating I meant Ammonia?
And take the "oxygen starved" part out of you comment. I just put the control clinical death link over again since it shows a brain survive with out oxygen.
And you keep forgetting the "preserve brain can be restored" part out.
Any way, we keep going in circles. Believe what ever you want. I put may statement other their and if you don't believe it,that your problem. I just take the you be one of the one whine when ME3 comes out anyway. No point in arguing with someone who just plugs up his ears.

Irony, thy name is dreman. 

Where is Shep's brain getting oxygen?  His suit's air system failed, you can watch it in the video you keep refering to that supposedly shows the Normandy turning into a planet.  (He's still not getting it.)   From the time that Shep's hardsuit fails, he's without an oxygen supply.  Even if his brain is frozen solid half an hour later (bare minimum time required unless you literally douse it in liquid nitrogen or the like), that's half an hour with no oxygen. 

What you're continuing to ignore is that even if Shep's brain cells can be restored from the oxygen deprivation, vacuum exposure, toxic ammonia and methane exposure, and freezing DAMAGE, you've still lost all/most of the connections between the neurons that are so critical, and have no way of knowing which neuron connected to which other neurons. 

Of course, once you go down to Alchera in the DLC content... there's dead grass...   so who knows what's going on down there...  maybe it will turn out to be a magic planet... 

As i before...A brain can survive with out oxygen if super cooled. But I'm not saying Shepard lived. Say his brain need oxygen to live is mute....Because he die. His brain was preserved.....PRESERVED. Meaning decay was stopped. Which means cellular decay stopped. Which means the BRAIN cells did not go away.... Which mean the neuronal path ways stayed the same.
It it doesn't matter if the neurons get damaged. Why? Because they can repair the brain down to the very detail. Every pathway it had when he was alive...With reaper tech.
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Your problem is the your not putting to and two together. Yes, a brain dies with out oxygen but if froze it will not decay, and brain can still be brought back alive  after an hour with out oxygen if cooled with control clinical death but arguing about that is mute because Shep is dead and they repaired his frozen preserved brain any way

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...

Yes but it is good to have a voice of reason between all these biased fanboy's

Which is why I like sqee's videos. 

[didymos1120]

Fixers0 wrote...

Yes but it is good to have a voice of reason between all these biased fanboy's

It's always everyone else who's biased.  Amazing how that works.

[zweistein_J]

sarcasm fail...................

[Fixers0]

Arkitekt wrote...

advising Bioware to look to Smudboy's videos is like advising someone to eat ****.

Please eleborate,

Arkitekt wrote...
No one who has an interest to build something interesting should listen to Smudboy's videos.

Except for if you wan't to make a proper RPG.

Arkitekt wrote...
Only people who want to waste time. And sometimes I do.

By your logic, every review is a waste of time, if somebody analysis the plot of the game and is being critical about how it was handled, then nothing is stopping him from voicing that critism.

[didymos1120]

Arkitekt wrote...

advising Bioware to look to Smudboy's videos is like advising someone to eat ****.

Good advice if you're talking to a coprophile.

[Fixers0]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Yes but it is good to have a voice of reason between all these biased fanboy's

Which is why I like sqee's videos. 

Sure, i'm not stopping you from liking them, but that still doesn't do anything with the validity of Smudboy's points.

[Someone With Mass]

Fixers0 wrote...
Except for if you wan't to make a proper RPG.

Sorry, but I believe more in the abilities of the educated game designers and writers than some whiner with too much time on his hands on YouTube.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Not that it makes any difference what side of the planet he landed on, mind you. There is no way that Shepard could have been cryogenically preserved, because it's simply not possible in the "wild." Only in a highly controlled environment with special chemicals.

Again. I'm not saying his Shepard was cryo frozed. I'm saying his body was mummified in a state like it. Simmilar to frozen fossils and frozen mummies...http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/photogalleries/mummy-pictures/

5:33.....What is the sphereical black thing in the right bottom of the sceen? A planet. Where isthe normandy heading?Right.
6:05...What's above shepards head?.... A planet.
6:52....Where is the normady falling into?......A planet.
Ever get a look at the physical state of the brains of "freezedried" mummies?  

Have you?
The point is they are dead but the bodies did not decay. And thats where the other point of my argument is. Cellural damage is mute ifyou can rebuild the cells.  That why I keep stating they rebuilt the cells with reaper tech....AKA, the nano tech used to make husk.

Yes, I have seen the state of those brains, and no amount of "restoring cells" would ever bring those people back.  No amount of "restoring cells" will ever bring back the personality and memories of anyone whose brain has been damaged to that degree, or to the degree that it seems Shep's was.  Too much of what someone is, is in the PATTERN of the cells, the connections and the overall structure.  Restoring individual cells won't bring a person back. 

Shep's brain was not crypreserved -- it was starved of oxygen, slammed into a planet, and then slowly, sloppily frozen and exposed to a very thin atmosphere. 

(PS:  methane and methanol are not the same thing.)

Did you miss the comment stating I meant Ammonia?
And take the "oxygen starved" part out of you comment. I just put the control clinical death link over again since it shows a brain survive with out oxygen.
And you keep forgetting the "preserve brain can be restored" part out.
Any way, we keep going in circles. Believe what ever you want. I put may statement other their and if you don't believe it,that your problem. I just take the you be one of the one whine when ME3 comes out anyway. No point in arguing with someone who just plugs up his ears.

Irony, thy name is dreman. 

Where is Shep's brain getting oxygen?  His suit's air system failed, you can watch it in the video you keep refering to that supposedly shows the Normandy turning into a planet.  (He's still not getting it.)   From the time that Shep's hardsuit fails, he's without an oxygen supply.  Even if his brain is frozen solid half an hour later (bare minimum time required unless you literally douse it in liquid nitrogen or the like), that's half an hour with no oxygen. 

What you're continuing to ignore is that even if Shep's brain cells can be restored from the oxygen deprivation, vacuum exposure, toxic ammonia and methane exposure, and freezing DAMAGE, you've still lost all/most of the connections between the neurons that are so critical, and have no way of knowing which neuron connected to which other neurons. 

Of course, once you go down to Alchera in the DLC content... there's dead grass...   so who knows what's going on down there...  maybe it will turn out to be a magic planet... 

As i before...A brain can survive with out oxygen if super cooled. But I'm not saying Shepard lived. Say his brain need oxygen to live is mute....Because he die. His brain was preserved.....PRESERVED. Meaning decay was stopped. Which means cellular decay stopped. Which means the BRAIN cells did not go away.... Which mean the neuronal path ways stayed the same.
It it doesn't matter if the neurons get damaged. Why? Because they can repair the brain down to the very detail. Every pathway it had when he was alive...With reaper tech.
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Your problem is the your not putting to and two together. Yes, a brain dies with out oxygen but if froze it will not decay, and brain can still be brought back alive  after an hour with out oxygen if cooled with control clinical death but arguing about that is mute because Shep is dead and they repaired his frozen preserved brain any way

It takes longer to freeze even in an evironment like Alchera, than it does for serious damage to occur.   The lack of oxygen can cause human cells to suffer biochemical damaged... not just death, DAMAGE.   The brain is fragile and complicted, probably still the most complicated thing we've ever studied as a species. 

And where is this "reaper tech" you're going on about?  Nothing in the game or codex even hints at "reaper tech" involved in Shep's resurection.  Nothing Miranda, Jacob, or Wilson says during the Lazarus escape even hints at "reaper tech".   If you're just going to say "reaper tech could do it" to any hurdle or complication or contradiction that comes up in the game, you might as well just call up spirits from the vasty deeps and call it magic, for eff's sake. 


The core problem is that they could have told the same story without the contrived Bruckheimer / Bol / Bay bull$#!+ cyberjesus nonsense. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I've played / sat through that opening many times, and there's no way I missed a ship turning into a planet! 

Then you need to look again.

At no point in that video does a ship turn into a planet!  


And if you watch the final death of the Normandy, you'll see that there's no way that it could have come down in that neat little spot on the surface.  The major remaining segments are moving apart at significant velocity.  If they had even come down to the surface in two years, they would have come down scattered across the planet. 

5:33.....What is the sphereical black thing in the right bottom of the sceen? A planet. Where isthe normandy heading?Right.
6:05...What's above shepards head?.... A planet.
6:52....Where is the normady falling into?......A planet.
....

Yes, I've watched the video.  Several times.  Where does the ship turn into a planet?    (He's not getting it, is he?)


As for the Normany, it doesn't fall, it's blown into many pieces.  If you don't understand the Normany flying apart as shown in the video you posted, in the scene we've all seen so many times, makes it impossible for the all those pieces to land within a few hundred meters of one another, that's just more proof that you don't grasp the most basic of the concepts you're blathering on about. 

5:33.....What is the sphereical black thing in the right bottom of the sceen? A planet. Where isthe normandy heading?Right.
6:05...What's above shepards head?.... A planet.
6:52....Where is the normady falling into?......A planet.
I take it you did not check.

I've played it enough times to lose count, and watched that video half a dozen times.  Do you get the following joke:  "A mystic walks up to a hotdog vendor, and says 'Make we one with everything!'"

As for the Normandy, it's not falling when we last see it.  It's blown to pieces... right there in the video you keep telling me to watch. 

As I said before..
5:33.....What is the sphereical black thing in the right bottom of the sceen? A planet. Where isthe normandy heading?Right.
6:05...What's above shepards head?.... A planet.
6:52....Where is the normady falling into?......A planet.

If you want...I can draw you a picture...
Also, the explosion is irrelivent based on the normandy crash site dlc....It fell on the planet any way.

You keep saying it, and you're still not getting it. 

"The ship turned into a planet."
"The catapillar turned into a butterfly." 

Sheesh. 


Wait, the explosion is irrelevent?  So now you're just going to ignore whatever doesn't fit your pet hypothesis and keep insisting that the rest of us are idiots? 

You're like Smudboy, only without the basic smarts or the reading comprehension, then.   Congrats.