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[dreman9999]

SpiffySquee wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

SpiffySquee wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

Right, so because there isn't actually The Force then Star Wars sucks?

Sound logic.

Star Wars is space fantasy, with mysticism.  (The pathetic attempt to scientific-ize the force with a dumbed-down Parasite Eve ripoff in the prequels is to be ignored thoroughly.)

The viewer knows that it's space fantasy.  As long as the Force is presented in a coherent and internally consistent manner, it's part of the setting. 

It's not about realism, it about the feeling of realness. 

Then I have to ask what makes mass effect different? Mass Effect has never claimed to NOT be a space fantasy. Even the Lazarus was  presented as coherent and internally consistent manner as the force was. They explained what the force does, but never how it works (baring the silly prequel reason) Lazarus did the same. They explained exactly what it did, and since it only happened once, it cannot be said it was not done in a consistent manner.

The force does just as many impossible things as the Lazarus project, so why is it treated differently? You can't say that the Lazarus project is not consistent with the story simply because it was never mentioned before. People coming back as ghost through the force was never shown until the second movie, nor was the ability to see into the future.

Because in its presentation, the original Mass Effect was different from Star Wars.  It said, in its presentation, "This is a world that makes sense to a perfectly rational approach, so long as you play along with just a couple of conceits, and we're trying to be consistent and coherent and rational."  It didn't just randomly throw things at you that didn't make sense based on what we currently know about how the world works.  

The death and restoration of Shep starts how ME2 by saying "pay no attention to how all the following things don't actually make any sense, just sit back and enjoy the AWESOME!"

Mass effect never said anything of the sort. Almost every piece of tech in the game is based off an impossible idea with no explanation as to how it is possible. There is nothing in any codex or lore that even attempts to explain how Element Zero does what it does when subjected to electricity. Everything simply explains the results, or happen happens because of it. The Lazarus has the same level of detail applied to it, except the results are much more simple and do not have the varying uses ME fields do. So, it does not need enormous amount of explanation on what the effects allow people to do.

The Lazarus project is not random, nor does it goes against per-established lore. It is a new concept. There is nothing in the first game that says it was impossible to develop a technique to resurrect people. The truth is, we know very little about medical tech in the ME universe.  That is like saying Halo decks are lore breaking because the original Star trek never said this was possible. It was a new concept. That is all.

I love how you accuse ME2 for saying "pay no attention to how all the following things don't actually make any sense, just sit back and enjoy the AWESOME!" When ME1 does exactly the same thing. We can change mass. I know it's impossible, but we found a miracle element that does it. Just stop thinking about it and enjoy the awesome!

The thing I find funny, is that if we had been told of the Lazarus project in ME1 I don't think there would have been near as many complains. It seems as though it is ok to introduce impossible concepts in the first chapter, but not in the second.

I have may theory on how it works, but he's right. We get the generic "dark energy" bit.... And  the dark energy concept is ased on an unproven theory. Gravity may even be a byproduct of strong force.

[dreman9999]

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

...Um......It wan not random.  The Normandy was their looking  to see what happened  to ships that "Disappeared" in that area thinking it was baecause of the Geth. It's a basic trap. The collectors made a lure to draw in the Normandy and waited  till the ship came in then attacked.

Okay, so answer my question; why did they attack the Normandy so close to a planet, rather than in empty space?

Why would the normandy go to empty space to check on anything?  What would be the lure to get them there?

If your asking why did they did not do the attack farther way from the planet, think of the planet more as a safety net.

[111987]

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

...Um......It wan not random.  The Normandy was their looking  to see what happened  to ships that "Disappeared" in that area thinking it was baecause of the Geth. It's a basic trap. The collectors made a lure to draw in the Normandy and waited  till the ship came in then attacked.

Okay, so answer my question; why did they attack the Normandy so close to a planet, rather than in empty space?

Why would the normandy go to empty space to check on anything?  What would be the lure to get them there?

If your asking why did they did not do the attack farther way from the planet, think of the planet more as a safety net.

How is the planet a safety net? If anything, it increases the likelihood of Shepard's body being destroyed.

[dreman9999]

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

...Um......It wan not random.  The Normandy was their looking  to see what happened  to ships that "Disappeared" in that area thinking it was baecause of the Geth. It's a basic trap. The collectors made a lure to draw in the Normandy and waited  till the ship came in then attacked.

Okay, so answer my question; why did they attack the Normandy so close to a planet, rather than in empty space?

Why would the normandy go to empty space to check on anything?  What would be the lure to get them there?

If your asking why did they did not do the attack farther way from the planet, think of the planet more as a safety net.

How is the planet a safety net? If anything, it increases the likelihood of Shepard's body being destroyed.

Not if the planet's surface is made of carbon and he's dropped sub orbit. Remeber, they want his body, they don't care if he's alive.

[111987]

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

...Um......It wan not random.  The Normandy was their looking  to see what happened  to ships that "Disappeared" in that area thinking it was baecause of the Geth. It's a basic trap. The collectors made a lure to draw in the Normandy and waited  till the ship came in then attacked.

Okay, so answer my question; why did they attack the Normandy so close to a planet, rather than in empty space?

Why would the normandy go to empty space to check on anything?  What would be the lure to get them there?

If your asking why did they did not do the attack farther way from the planet, think of the planet more as a safety net.

How is the planet a safety net? If anything, it increases the likelihood of Shepard's body being destroyed.

Not if the planet's surface is made of carbon and he's dropped sub orbit. Remeber, they want his body, they don't care if he's alive.

The body would still likely shatter from the force of the impact with the ice.

Having Shepard's body floating in space would leave it in much better condition than the impact of the fall.

[dreman9999]

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

...Um......It wan not random.  The Normandy was their looking  to see what happened  to ships that "Disappeared" in that area thinking it was baecause of the Geth. It's a basic trap. The collectors made a lure to draw in the Normandy and waited  till the ship came in then attacked.

Okay, so answer my question; why did they attack the Normandy so close to a planet, rather than in empty space?

Why would the normandy go to empty space to check on anything?  What would be the lure to get them there?

If your asking why did they did not do the attack farther way from the planet, think of the planet more as a safety net.

How is the planet a safety net? If anything, it increases the likelihood of Shepard's body being destroyed.

Not if the planet's surface is made of carbon and he's dropped sub orbit. Remeber, they want his body, they don't care if he's alive.

The body would still likely shatter from the force of the impact with the ice.

Having Shepard's body floating in space would leave it in much better condition than the impact of the fall.

A naked or unprotected body would shatter from the force. Hack, an unprotected body would of been riped apart in the air before it landed. Shepard body had a hardsuit on it. That would easilly protect it from impact.

The problem with having the body  float in space is the how it gets in space. Blowing up the ship would throw it out to space. Then they would have to find the body in space. Man size object are hard to find in space, Especially if it's put into motion in space....Remeber and object in motion stays in motion till it meets and equal or opposite force....How is Shep's "thrown"body going to make that equal force on it's own.

[111987]

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

...Um......It wan not random.  The Normandy was their looking  to see what happened  to ships that "Disappeared" in that area thinking it was baecause of the Geth. It's a basic trap. The collectors made a lure to draw in the Normandy and waited  till the ship came in then attacked.

Okay, so answer my question; why did they attack the Normandy so close to a planet, rather than in empty space?

Why would the normandy go to empty space to check on anything?  What would be the lure to get them there?

If your asking why did they did not do the attack farther way from the planet, think of the planet more as a safety net.

How is the planet a safety net? If anything, it increases the likelihood of Shepard's body being destroyed.

Not if the planet's surface is made of carbon and he's dropped sub orbit. Remeber, they want his body, they don't care if he's alive.

The body would still likely shatter from the force of the impact with the ice.

Having Shepard's body floating in space would leave it in much better condition than the impact of the fall.

A naked or unprotected body would shatter from the force. Hack, an unprotected body would of been riped apart in the air before it landed. Shepard body had a hardsuit on it. That would easilly protect it from impact.

The problem with having the body  float in space is the how it gets in space. Blowing up the ship would throw it out to space. Then they would have to find the body in space. Man size object are hard to find in space, Especially if it's put into motion in space....Remeber and object in motion stays in motion till it meets and equal or opposite force....How is Shep's "thrown"body going to make that equal force on it's own.

You're seriously overestimating the power of the armor. If it could withstand impact of that force, it would be totally invulnerable to all small arms fire. Plus as I said earlier, the armor did shatter. Meaning Shepard's body was exposed to Alchera's atmosphere for several weeks, unprotected.

The fact that they didn't immediatley retrieve the body suggests to me that recovering Shepard'd body for study was only thought of after it was recovered by the Shadow Broker.

[dreman9999]

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

...Um......It wan not random.  The Normandy was their looking  to see what happened  to ships that "Disappeared" in that area thinking it was baecause of the Geth. It's a basic trap. The collectors made a lure to draw in the Normandy and waited  till the ship came in then attacked.

Okay, so answer my question; why did they attack the Normandy so close to a planet, rather than in empty space?

Why would the normandy go to empty space to check on anything?  What would be the lure to get them there?

If your asking why did they did not do the attack farther way from the planet, think of the planet more as a safety net.

How is the planet a safety net? If anything, it increases the likelihood of Shepard's body being destroyed.

Not if the planet's surface is made of carbon and he's dropped sub orbit. Remeber, they want his body, they don't care if he's alive.

The body would still likely shatter from the force of the impact with the ice.

Having Shepard's body floating in space would leave it in much better condition than the impact of the fall.

A naked or unprotected body would shatter from the force. Hack, an unprotected body would of been riped apart in the air before it landed. Shepard body had a hardsuit on it. That would easilly protect it from impact.

The problem with having the body  float in space is the how it gets in space. Blowing up the ship would throw it out to space. Then they would have to find the body in space. Man size object are hard to find in space, Especially if it's put into motion in space....Remeber and object in motion stays in motion till it meets and equal or opposite force....How is Shep's "thrown"body going to make that equal force on it's own.

You're seriously overestimating the power of the armor. If it could withstand impact of that force, it would be totally invulnerable to all small arms fire. Plus as I said earlier, the armor did shatter. Meaning Shepard's body was exposed to Alchera's atmosphere for several weeks, unprotected.

The fact that they didn't immediatley retrieve the body suggests to me that recovering Shepard'd body for study was only thought of after it was recovered by the Shadow Broker.

It many not be the armor allow ether. I took a look into lifting gas and found this...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifting_gas#Ammonia
Ammonia is sometimes used to fill weather balloons. Due to its high boiling point (compared to helium and hydrogen), ammonia could potentially be refrigerated and liquified aboard an airship to reduce lift and add ballast (and returned to a gas to add lift and reduce ballast). Ammonia is relatively heavy (0.6 kg/m3), poisonous and irritant.
Methane
Methane (the main component of natural gas) is sometimes used as a lift gas when hydrogen and helium are not available. It has the advantage of not leaking through balloon walls as rapidly as the small-moleculed hydrogen and helium. Of course, methane is highly flammable and therefore, like hydrogen, not appropriate for use in passenger-carrying airships.

And as  stated before nothing shows or states the armor shattered. That's a speculation.
Also, your forgeting thefact that a resuce ship is coming and they don't want to be seen...They want people to think the geth did it. Add on the fact that they may have added more partols in the area.

Modifié par dreman9999, 18 septembre 2011 - 07:29 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

SpiffySquee wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

SpiffySquee wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

Right, so because there isn't actually The Force then Star Wars sucks?

Sound logic.

Star Wars is space fantasy, with mysticism.  (The pathetic attempt to scientific-ize the force with a dumbed-down Parasite Eve ripoff in the prequels is to be ignored thoroughly.)

The viewer knows that it's space fantasy.  As long as the Force is presented in a coherent and internally consistent manner, it's part of the setting. 

It's not about realism, it about the feeling of realness. 

Then I have to ask what makes mass effect different? Mass Effect has never claimed to NOT be a space fantasy. Even the Lazarus was  presented as coherent and internally consistent manner as the force was. They explained what the force does, but never how it works (baring the silly prequel reason) Lazarus did the same. They explained exactly what it did, and since it only happened once, it cannot be said it was not done in a consistent manner.

The force does just as many impossible things as the Lazarus project, so why is it treated differently? You can't say that the Lazarus project is not consistent with the story simply because it was never mentioned before. People coming back as ghost through the force was never shown until the second movie, nor was the ability to see into the future.

Because in its presentation, the original Mass Effect was different from Star Wars.  It said, in its presentation, "This is a world that makes sense to a perfectly rational approach, so long as you play along with just a couple of conceits, and we're trying to be consistent and coherent and rational."  It didn't just randomly throw things at you that didn't make sense based on what we currently know about how the world works.  

The death and restoration of Shep starts how ME2 by saying "pay no attention to how all the following things don't actually make any sense, just sit back and enjoy the AWESOME!"

Mass effect never said anything of the sort. Almost every piece of tech in the game is based off an impossible idea with no explanation as to how it is possible. There is nothing in any codex or lore that even attempts to explain how Element Zero does what it does when subjected to electricity. Everything simply explains the results, or happen happens because of it. The Lazarus has the same level of detail applied to it, except the results are much more simple and do not have the varying uses ME fields do. So, it does not need enormous amount of explanation on what the effects allow people to do.

The Lazarus project is not random, nor does it goes against per-established lore. It is a new concept. There is nothing in the first game that says it was impossible to develop a technique to resurrect people. The truth is, we know very little about medical tech in the ME universe.  That is like saying Halo decks are lore breaking because the original Star trek never said this was possible. It was a new concept. That is all.

I love how you accuse ME2 for saying "pay no attention to how all the following things don't actually make any sense, just sit back and enjoy the AWESOME!" When ME1 does exactly the same thing. We can change mass. I know it's impossible, but we found a miracle element that does it. Just stop thinking about it and enjoy the awesome!

The thing I find funny, is that if we had been told of the Lazarus project in ME1 I don't think there would have been near as many complains. It seems as though it is ok to introduce impossible concepts in the first chapter, but not in the second.

ME1 showed us a world and said "With this one big exception and everything we can extrapolate directly from it, we're not going to constantly hit you with things that are impossible based on what you already know." 

ME2 immediately said "here's this entire sequence of things that's really implausible, if not impossible, based on what you know, that have nothing to do with that one big exception, but don't worry because IT'S REALLY EPIC!" 


We're covering the topic matterial of Science Fiction Writing 101:  The Basics, right now. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 18 septembre 2011 - 08:32 .

[111987]

dreman9999 wrote...

It many not be the armor allow ether. I took a look into lifting gas and found this...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifting_gas#Ammonia
Ammonia is sometimes used to fill weather balloons. Due to its high boiling point (compared to helium and hydrogen), ammonia could potentially be refrigerated and liquified aboard an airship to reduce lift and add ballast (and returned to a gas to add lift and reduce ballast). Ammonia is relatively heavy (0.6 kg/m3), poisonous and irritant.
Methane
Methane (the main component of natural gas) is sometimes used as a lift gas when hydrogen and helium are not available. It has the advantage of not leaking through balloon walls as rapidly as the small-moleculed hydrogen and helium. Of course, methane is highly flammable and therefore, like hydrogen, not appropriate for use in passenger-carrying airships.

And as  stated before nothing shows or states the armor shattered. That's a speculation.

Not sure why you posted those links...

And we know the armor shattered. Liara has a piece, Legion does, and Shepard's helmet was on Alchera.

The Collectors are perfectly capable of handling any reinforcements the Alliance send, at least according to Hackett.

Modifié par 111987, 18 septembre 2011 - 07:32 .

[dreman9999]

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It many not be the armor allow ether. I took a look into lifting gas and found this...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifting_gas#Ammonia
Ammonia is sometimes used to fill weather balloons. Due to its high boiling point (compared to helium and hydrogen), ammonia could potentially be refrigerated and liquified aboard an airship to reduce lift and add ballast (and returned to a gas to add lift and reduce ballast). Ammonia is relatively heavy (0.6 kg/m3), poisonous and irritant.
Methane
Methane (the main component of natural gas) is sometimes used as a lift gas when hydrogen and helium are not available. It has the advantage of not leaking through balloon walls as rapidly as the small-moleculed hydrogen and helium. Of course, methane is highly flammable and therefore, like hydrogen, not appropriate for use in passenger-carrying airships.

And as  stated before nothing shows or states the armor shattered. That's a speculation.

Not sure why you posted those links...

And we know the armor shattered. Liara has a piece, Legion does, and Shepard's helmet was on Alchera.

The Collectors are perfectly capable of handling any reinforcements the Alliance send, at least according to Hackett.

I just saying.....That planets atmosphere is methane  and Ammonia.....Gases that are much denser than what was have in our planets atmosphere...Would that slow the bodies fall if it  hit a denser atmosphere?

As for the armor...
That doesn't mean it shattered. That just means it came apart at some point. If it did shatter it would of been in more peices.
And it not about hanlding the reinforcements, it was about not leting them know they are there. The fact remains that they wanted to stay hidden so no one would try to track them... And no one would think and learn they were behind the colony abductions that came later.

Modifié par dreman9999, 18 septembre 2011 - 07:41 .

[111987]

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It many not be the armor allow ether. I took a look into lifting gas and found this...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifting_gas#Ammonia
Ammonia is sometimes used to fill weather balloons. Due to its high boiling point (compared to helium and hydrogen), ammonia could potentially be refrigerated and liquified aboard an airship to reduce lift and add ballast (and returned to a gas to add lift and reduce ballast). Ammonia is relatively heavy (0.6 kg/m3), poisonous and irritant.
Methane
Methane (the main component of natural gas) is sometimes used as a lift gas when hydrogen and helium are not available. It has the advantage of not leaking through balloon walls as rapidly as the small-moleculed hydrogen and helium. Of course, methane is highly flammable and therefore, like hydrogen, not appropriate for use in passenger-carrying airships.

And as  stated before nothing shows or states the armor shattered. That's a speculation.

Not sure why you posted those links...

And we know the armor shattered. Liara has a piece, Legion does, and Shepard's helmet was on Alchera.

The Collectors are perfectly capable of handling any reinforcements the Alliance send, at least according to Hackett.

That doesn't mean it shattered. That just means it came apart at some point. If it did shatter it would of been in more peices.
ANd it not about hanlding the reinforcements, it was about not leeting them know they are there. The fact remains that they wanted to stay hidden so no one would try to track them... And no one would think and learn they were behind the colony abductions that came later.

That's a supposition that the armor would have shattered into more pieces. If it didn't break from impact, why is it in pieces?

If the Collectors took out the reinforcements, their identity would still be a secret...

[dreman9999]

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It many not be the armor allow ether. I took a look into lifting gas and found this...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifting_gas#Ammonia
Ammonia is sometimes used to fill weather balloons. Due to its high boiling point (compared to helium and hydrogen), ammonia could potentially be refrigerated and liquified aboard an airship to reduce lift and add ballast (and returned to a gas to add lift and reduce ballast). Ammonia is relatively heavy (0.6 kg/m3), poisonous and irritant.
Methane
Methane (the main component of natural gas) is sometimes used as a lift gas when hydrogen and helium are not available. It has the advantage of not leaking through balloon walls as rapidly as the small-moleculed hydrogen and helium. Of course, methane is highly flammable and therefore, like hydrogen, not appropriate for use in passenger-carrying airships.

And as  stated before nothing shows or states the armor shattered. That's a speculation.

Not sure why you posted those links...

And we know the armor shattered. Liara has a piece, Legion does, and Shepard's helmet was on Alchera.

The Collectors are perfectly capable of handling any reinforcements the Alliance send, at least according to Hackett.

That doesn't mean it shattered. That just means it came apart at some point. If it did shatter it would of been in more peices.
ANd it not about hanlding the reinforcements, it was about not leeting them know they are there. The fact remains that they wanted to stay hidden so no one would try to track them... And no one would think and learn they were behind the colony abductions that came later.

That's a supposition that the armor would have shattered into more pieces. If it didn't break from impact, why is it in pieces?

If the Collectors took out the reinforcements, their identity would still be a secret...

In  unpressuised harden carbon...that armor is to be shattered by?

Also, if they took out the renforments thay would put the alliance and council space an alert that a powerful threat is in their space. That would increase patrol making it harder for the collector to say hidden and keep the fact they are abduting coloines harder.

[111987]

dreman9999 wrote...

In  unpressuised harden carbon...that armor is to be shattered by?

Also, if they took out the renforments thay would put the alliance and council space an alert that a powerful threat is in their space. That would increase patrol making it harder for the collector to say hidden and keep the fact they are abduting coloines harder.

The armor is shattered by the ice. And you keep ignoring my question;

If it didn't break from impact, why is it in pieces? Please, answer this.

If the Collector took out the reinforcements, why would the Council not just assume it's the Geth?

Modifié par 111987, 18 septembre 2011 - 07:55 .

[dreman9999]

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

In  unpressuised harden carbon...that armor is to be shattered by?

Also, if they took out the renforments thay would put the alliance and council space an alert that a powerful threat is in their space. That would increase patrol making it harder for the collector to say hidden and keep the fact they are abduting coloines harder.

The armor is shattered by the ice. And you keep ignoring my question;

If it didn't break from impact, why is it in pieces? Please, answer this.

If the Collector took out the reinforcements, why would the Council not just assume it's the Geth?

The ice is mix with the solid carbon. Do you thing the density of othe ice would be the same like that.
Someone could take it off....
 
That's the problem...They would assume it's geth and the whole war drive would state again. That still means increase partols making abduting colonies harder.

[111987]

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

In  unpressuised harden carbon...that armor is to be shattered by?

Also, if they took out the renforments thay would put the alliance and council space an alert that a powerful threat is in their space. That would increase patrol making it harder for the collector to say hidden and keep the fact they are abduting coloines harder.

The armor is shattered by the ice. And you keep ignoring my question;

If it didn't break from impact, why is it in pieces? Please, answer this.

If the Collector took out the reinforcements, why would the Council not just assume it's the Geth?

The ice is mix with the solid carbon. Do you thing the density of othe ice would be the same like that.
Someone could take it off....
 
That's the problem...They would assume it's geth and the whole war drive would state again. That still means increase partols making abduting colonies harder.

The ice is obviously solid enough for Shepard to walk on.

If someone took it off, why is the helmet still on Alchera? Are you saying they took Shepard's remains out of the suit right on the surface of Alchera?

But they would already increase patrols due to the Normandy, the most advanced warship in the Alliance, being destroyed. Destroying a few more fighters or cruisers won't make a significant difference at all.

[dreman9999]

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

In  unpressuised harden carbon...that armor is to be shattered by?

Also, if they took out the renforments thay would put the alliance and council space an alert that a powerful threat is in their space. That would increase patrol making it harder for the collector to say hidden and keep the fact they are abduting coloines harder.

The armor is shattered by the ice. And you keep ignoring my question;

If it didn't break from impact, why is it in pieces? Please, answer this.

If the Collector took out the reinforcements, why would the Council not just assume it's the Geth?

The ice is mix with the solid carbon. Do you thing the density of othe ice would be the same like that.
Someone could take it off....
 
That's the problem...They would assume it's geth and the whole war drive would state again. That still means increase partols making abduting colonies harder.

The ice is obviously solid enough for Shepard to walk on.

If someone took it off, why is the helmet still on Alchera? Are you saying they took Shepard's remains out of the suit right on the surface of Alchera?

But they would already increase patrols due to the Normandy, the most advanced warship in the Alliance, being destroyed. Destroying a few more fighters or cruisers won't make a significant difference at all.

I know....I was referring to the high impact he came in.

And their's a reason to keep it....Do not I'm also specutlation on this,too I not saying they did take it of ...Just may have.

But not to the same degree if mutilple ships where taken out ot one. If the normandy is taken out, no matter how advance, it would not nessary mean the geth are  or anyone is critily dangerous.  Just that the geth may have found a way to track the normandy. If mutiple ship are taken out in one battle, that would mean the enemy  has something with  attack power  that's truelly devistating. Remember, the normady maybe the most advance ship but it never was invicible or the strongest fighting ship...It was a stelth ship.

[111987]

dreman9999 wrote...

I know....I was referring to the high impact he came in.

And their's a reason to keep it....Do not I'm also specutlation on this,too I not saying they did take it of ...Just may have.

But not to the same degree if mutilple ships where taken out ot one. If the normandy is taken out, no matter how advance, it would not nessary mean the geth are  or anyone is critily dangerous.  Just that the geth may have found a way to track the normandy. If mutiple ship are taken out in one battle, that would mean the enemy  has something with  attack power  that's truelly devistating. Remember, the normady maybe the most advance ship but it never was invicible or the strongest fighting ship...It was a stelth ship.

What are you talking about? Shepard fell several miles and impacted on ice. His armor did not absorb the the impact force of that.

I'm going to take this as you conceding the point.

No. It makes no difference. For all the Alliance knows, it was a Geth fleet that took out the Normandy. By the way, the Alliance can't officially patrol in the Terminus system, so this is a moot point

[dreman9999]

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I know....I was referring to the high impact he came in.

And their's a reason to keep it....Do not I'm also specutlation on this,too I not saying they did take it of ...Just may have.

But not to the same degree if mutilple ships where taken out ot one. If the normandy is taken out, no matter how advance, it would not nessary mean the geth are  or anyone is critily dangerous.  Just that the geth may have found a way to track the normandy. If mutiple ship are taken out in one battle, that would mean the enemy  has something with  attack power  that's truelly devistating. Remember, the normady maybe the most advance ship but it never was invicible or the strongest fighting ship...It was a stelth ship.

What are you talking about? Shepard fell several miles and impacted on ice. His armor did not absorb the the impact force of that.

I'm going to take this as you conceding the point.

No. It makes no difference. For all the Alliance knows, it was a Geth fleet that took out the Normandy. By the way, the Alliance can't officially patrol in the Terminus system, so this is a moot point

As I said, in to carbon....Harden unpressurized carbon...That's graphite.....We us it in pencils. It's not very strong.
 
True they can't patrol the terminus.... But they can place their presence of Human colonies. Especially if the they put a base on the planet. The point is that they would get everyone's  attention earlier then they want and measure would be taken. They don't want that attention.

[111987]

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I know....I was referring to the high impact he came in.

And their's a reason to keep it....Do not I'm also specutlation on this,too I not saying they did take it of ...Just may have.

But not to the same degree if mutilple ships where taken out ot one. If the normandy is taken out, no matter how advance, it would not nessary mean the geth are  or anyone is critily dangerous.  Just that the geth may have found a way to track the normandy. If mutiple ship are taken out in one battle, that would mean the enemy  has something with  attack power  that's truelly devistating. Remember, the normady maybe the most advance ship but it never was invicible or the strongest fighting ship...It was a stelth ship.

What are you talking about? Shepard fell several miles and impacted on ice. His armor did not absorb the the impact force of that.

I'm going to take this as you conceding the point.

No. It makes no difference. For all the Alliance knows, it was a Geth fleet that took out the Normandy. By the way, the Alliance can't officially patrol in the Terminus system, so this is a moot point

As I said, in to carbon....Harden unpressurized carbon...That's graphite.....We us it in pencils. It's not very strong.
 
True they can't patrol the terminus.... But they can place their presence of Human colonies. Especially if the they put a base on the planet. The point is that they would get everyone's  attention earlier then they want and measure would be taken. They don't want that attention.

Shepard landed on ICE. It's what we're walking on during the mission there.

And no, human colonies are not under their jurdistiction if those colonies are in the Terminus. If a few more cruisers were destroyed, nothing would change. It took several colonIes being entirely abducted before the Alliance actually started evacuations.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Dreman,did you play LOTSB?

Shepard's armor is clearly cracked and broken,you keep talking about snap freezing,that same cold would make the fabric in the armor brittle,hence the cracks.

[dreman9999]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Dreman,did you play LOTSB?

Shepard's armor is clearly cracked and broken,you keep talking about snap freezing,that same cold would make the fabric in the armor brittle,hence the cracks.

I know it was apart then but for Sheps body to servive the fall...It has to be apart after impact. If it was at the moment....The body would be paste.

Really nothing state the armor shattered, all we know is at some point the armor what taken a part some way.

Modifié par dreman9999, 18 septembre 2011 - 08:42 .

[dreman9999]

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I know....I was referring to the high impact he came in.

And their's a reason to keep it....Do not I'm also specutlation on this,too I not saying they did take it of ...Just may have.

But not to the same degree if mutilple ships where taken out ot one. If the normandy is taken out, no matter how advance, it would not nessary mean the geth are  or anyone is critily dangerous.  Just that the geth may have found a way to track the normandy. If mutiple ship are taken out in one battle, that would mean the enemy  has something with  attack power  that's truelly devistating. Remember, the normady maybe the most advance ship but it never was invicible or the strongest fighting ship...It was a stelth ship.

What are you talking about? Shepard fell several miles and impacted on ice. His armor did not absorb the the impact force of that.

I'm going to take this as you conceding the point.

No. It makes no difference. For all the Alliance knows, it was a Geth fleet that took out the Normandy. By the way, the Alliance can't officially patrol in the Terminus system, so this is a moot point

As I said, in to carbon....Harden unpressurized carbon...That's graphite.....We us it in pencils. It's not very strong.
 
True they can't patrol the terminus.... But they can place their presence of Human colonies. Especially if the they put a base on the planet. The point is that they would get everyone's  attention earlier then they want and measure would be taken. They don't want that attention.

Shepard landed on ICE. It's what we're walking on during the mission there.

And no, human colonies are not under their jurdistiction if those colonies are in the Terminus. If a few more cruisers were destroyed, nothing would change. It took several colonIes being entirely abducted before the Alliance actually started evacuations.

He landed in ice and carbon. Hence the surface of the planet is carbon and ice water.

Just like Horizon is not under the jurdistiction of the Alliance... That didn't stop the alliance from trying to step in.

[111987]

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I know....I was referring to the high impact he came in.

And their's a reason to keep it....Do not I'm also specutlation on this,too I not saying they did take it of ...Just may have.

But not to the same degree if mutilple ships where taken out ot one. If the normandy is taken out, no matter how advance, it would not nessary mean the geth are  or anyone is critily dangerous.  Just that the geth may have found a way to track the normandy. If mutiple ship are taken out in one battle, that would mean the enemy  has something with  attack power  that's truelly devistating. Remember, the normady maybe the most advance ship but it never was invicible or the strongest fighting ship...It was a stelth ship.

What are you talking about? Shepard fell several miles and impacted on ice. His armor did not absorb the the impact force of that.

I'm going to take this as you conceding the point.

No. It makes no difference. For all the Alliance knows, it was a Geth fleet that took out the Normandy. By the way, the Alliance can't officially patrol in the Terminus system, so this is a moot point

As I said, in to carbon....Harden unpressurized carbon...That's graphite.....We us it in pencils. It's not very strong.
 
True they can't patrol the terminus.... But they can place their presence of Human colonies. Especially if the they put a base on the planet. The point is that they would get everyone's  attention earlier then they want and measure would be taken. They don't want that attention.

Shepard landed on ICE. It's what we're walking on during the mission there.

And no, human colonies are not under their jurdistiction if those colonies are in the Terminus. If a few more cruisers were destroyed, nothing would change. It took several colonIes being entirely abducted before the Alliance actually started evacuations.

He landed in ice and carbon. Hence the surface of the planet is carbon and ice water.

Just like Horizon is not under the jurdistiction of the Alliance... That didn't stop the alliance from trying to step in.

Yes, he impacted on ice and carbon...ice, which is hard. Seriously what aren't you getting here?

Horizon was an isolated incident, and was after several colony abductions. That example was completley irrelevant. You're just wrong here, so please stop trying to argue it.

It does not make sense that Shepard's body survived. You have failed to show how it could have.

Thank you, and good night.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

dreman9999 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Dreman,did you play LOTSB?

Shepard's armor is clearly cracked and broken,you keep talking about snap freezing,that same cold would make the fabric in the armor brittle,hence the cracks.

I know it was apart then but for Shep body to servive the fall...It has to be apart after impact. If it was atthe moment....it would be paste.

Really nothing state the armor shattered, all we know is at some point the armor what taken a part some way.

 

I see the problem....you don't understand how dispersing the force works.

The suit absorbed alot-most of the impact around Shepards body,that would explain the lack of splat.