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[Nashiktal]

Indeed, Bioware in general seems to be falling behind a bit in their usual quality. The games they make are still fun no doubt, but they are missing the usual polish and thought I am used to.

I could make excuses for them till the sun rises and falls, but I think its more productive to criticize and ask for improvement. This is one thread for criticism, practically the rest of the forum is dedicated to praise.

[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...

Uh, hardly.  What's Mordin's role?  What's Grunt's?  Zaeed's?  And don't give me "They're useful in Shep's squad", because Thane is too.  More than many to boot, as he's one of only two squadmates with Warp, and he has the same damage bonuses as Zaeed.  And also don't give me "good defenders", because none of that is made transparent by the game the way other roles are, and in any case, neither Zaeed nor Grunt are necessary for success during the "Hold The Line" sequence.

I think Mordin's role was fulfilled on Horizon.

Grunt and Zaeed were just there as extra firepower.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 19 septembre 2011 - 10:15 .

[Arkitekt]

Sajuro wrote...
lets see >.> ummm Farenheit 451?

Having firemen burning books in an age where everything else is fire proof?

Come on! 

[Arkitekt]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

 Likewise, you might want to actually look up what is being said about Twilight, because it certainly is not "universally lampooned by critics." In fact, Meyers has awards for the bloody thing, as ridiculous as the notion is. Now praise is hardly good, however it equates to average far more than "horrendous." We'll move on though before I have an aneurysm for partly defending that god awful series.

Rotten Tomatoes has the series topping out at 50%, reaching as low as 27%. This means the critics say it "sucks".

I shall meet you half way through and offer Shamus Young's analysis: similar intentions; less presumptuous attitude.

Now that looks a promising thing. When I have more time to be bored, I might take a look.

Yep, it was in my head, along with, "Uh, why are we going through the Omega 4 Relay when we have no idea what the hell is on the other side?"

There was no rush. The omega 4 mission has a reason to be done as it is, and both you and Smudboy failed to understand it. The element of surprise is the key advantage against the collectors. This is why the first ever thing to be put through the omega 4 relay with the correct IFF must be the final mission itself

Nope played them all. There was no mention of the cipher whatsoever nor is Shepard plot integral.

Ah I see you are demanding that the cipher plot device in ME1 had to have some kind of impact in ME2.

[didymos1120]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

 Coincidently, Thane is completely useless on the Suicide Mission, being the only squadmate with literally no role.

Uh, hardly.  What's Mordin's role?  What's Grunt's?  Zaeed's?  And don't give me "They're useful in Shep's squad", because Thane is too.  More than many to boot, as he's one of only two squadmates with Warp, and he has the same damage bonuses as Zaeed.  And also don't give me "good defenders", because none of that is made transparent by the game the way other roles are, and in any case, neither Zaeed nor Grunt are necessary for success during the "Hold The Line" sequence.

So don't give you the actual answer? Perfect.

No, because those potential "answers" I chose to address are wrong.  I simply saved you the trouble of typing them, in case you were thinking of taking that tack.

Thane is the only squadmate who literally has no role throughout the game with the exception of being just another guy.

Irrelevant to your original claim.  I happen to agree, but it's no less irrelevant.  And no, I wasn't just talking gameplay: I was talking about what the actual story roles for people on the suicide mission were:  door hacker, squad leader, crew escort, biotic bubble person.  Those are story roles, regardless of the fact that menus were involved and we could choose who "got the part".  Those choices quite literally determine characters' fates. Unless you're trying to argue that the events of the SM are somehow not part of the story.

Nonetheless, you still technically need at least two of Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt otherwise the result is death for someone else.

No, you don't. It's dependent on who's still alive at that point and who you bothered to recruit. That only applies for a full roster with no deaths. Not everyone feels compelled to have a "perfect" outcome there. Many prefer not to.

Modifié par didymos1120, 19 septembre 2011 - 12:12 .

[didymos1120]

dreman9999 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Grunt and Zaeeds's role is fighting. With out them, even loyal members die in the final line. Grunt has the best defence in all of ME so far with characters.

One, that isn't true.  Two, I already explained why that isn't a "role" the same way the biotic barrier or squad leader ones are.  But here's another reason: you never select someone for the express purpose of staying behind to defend.  You pick people to go with you.

No, it true. *snip*

Again, this notion is a result of thinking about only one possible "Hold The Line" scenario: everyone recruited, everyone still alive. And the earlier reasons still apply: it's not a defined role like the others on the SM.  You're entirely unaware of the fact that you're actually choosing defenders at all, unless you already know better. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Phaelducan wrote...
Furthermore, Spudboy doesn't analyze the elements of ME2. He crucifies them based on subjective matters of taste and his own narrow definitions of VERY wide elements of a body of work (such as plot, setting, and character). It's not a critique, it's a whine session. You are now adding to it.

Nope, it's a valid critique. Your posts are the whining session.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Nope, it's a valid critique. Your posts are the whining session.

Just because you're saying it is, doesn't make it a fact.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Arkitekt wrote...

You love capital letters too much. Death is always an engineering problem. For most, without solution. However, if your body is in a retrievable state of affairs and you have billions of credits to afford, perhaps you are lucky. "By means unexplained" to those without a grain of imagination. It's your loss, you are the one with a big plot hole in your head, while the rest of us are happy with it's present form which is perfectly fine.

Ignorance is bliss, sin't it.

I couldn't care less is a pair of shiny keys dangled in front of you kept you entertained.
I generally demand more from my entertainment.

Sheps death and ressurections were stupid, contrieved, unnecessary. And stupid. And impossible with any amount of technology.
Data can't be created from vacuum .That isn't science anymore.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Nope, it's a valid critique. Your posts are the whining session.

Just because you're saying it is, doesn't make it a fact.

When it comes to dealing with you, and those similar to you, it is.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

When it comes to dealing with you, and those similar to you, it is.

Says who? You?

Making up rules as you see fit is kind of childish, don't you think?

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Ignorance is bliss, sin't it.

I couldn't care less is a pair of shiny keys dangled in front of you kept you entertained.
I generally demand more from my entertainment.

Sheps death and ressurections were stupid, contrieved, unnecessary. And stupid. And impossible with any amount of technology.
Data can't be created from vacuum .That isn't science anymore.

Here's a fun fact:

It was never science to begin with. Nothing in Mass Effect was wired into the technological or the scientific advancements of today.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Arkitekt wrote...

Yep, it was in my head, along with, "Uh, why are we going through the Omega 4 Relay when we have no idea what the hell is on the other side?"

There was no rush. The omega 4 mission has a reason to be done as it is, and both you and Smudboy failed to understand it. The element of surprise is the key advantage against the collectors. This is why the first ever thing to be put through the omega 4 relay with the correct IFF must be the final mission itself

Most redicolous reasoning ever....

What if there was  ten cruisers camping the other side of hte relay? It would have been the shorest suicide mission ever!

Thank god you're not a general or in charge or any military action. Tehre wouldn't be any survivors on your side.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Ignorance is bliss, sin't it.

I couldn't care less is a pair of shiny keys dangled in front of you kept you entertained.
I generally demand more from my entertainment.

Sheps death and ressurections were stupid, contrieved, unnecessary. And stupid. And impossible with any amount of technology.
Data can't be created from vacuum .That isn't science anymore.

Here's a fun fact:

It was never science to begin with. Nothing in Mass Effect was wired into the technological or the scientific advancements of today.

ME is supposed to be credible.
Lazarus isn't science. It isn't even science-based. It isn't even space magic, as even magic usually doesn't create something from nothing (rahter is borrows/pulls).

It's not good writing.
ME2 plot wasn't good to begin with.

[Notlikeyoucare]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

Yep, it was in my head, along with, "Uh, why are we going through the Omega 4 Relay when we have no idea what the hell is on the other side?"

There was no rush. The omega 4 mission has a reason to be done as it is, and both you and Smudboy failed to understand it. The element of surprise is the key advantage against the collectors. This is why the first ever thing to be put through the omega 4 relay with the correct IFF must be the final mission itself

Most redicolous reasoning ever....

What if there was  ten cruisers camping the other side of hte relay? It would have been the shorest suicide mission ever!

Thank god you're not a general or in charge or any military action. Tehre wouldn't be any survivors on your side.

It wouldn't even be a suicide mission. It would be suicide period.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ME is supposed to be credible.
Lazarus isn't science. It isn't even science-based. It isn't even space magic, as even magic usually doesn't create something from nothing (rahter is borrows/pulls).

It's not good writing.
ME2 plot wasn't good to begin with.

So...Liara using her unexplained space magic to make sense of the gibberish inside Shepard's head that was somehow imprinted in his brain instead of messing it all up as it wasn't meant for his species to use the Prothean beacons because he had a "strong" mind, just to locate a backdoor into the Citadel is "credible" science?

Ha.

That's just as credible science as humanity suddenly developing a gel which rapidly heals wounds and increases cellular regeneration without even explaining how it works in the first place.

Oh, right. They did that one too.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Most redicolous reasoning ever....

What if there was  ten cruisers camping the other side of hte relay? It would have been the shorest suicide mission ever!

Thank god you're not a general or in charge or any military action. Tehre wouldn't be any survivors on your side.

Oh. You mean, inside the large debris field or just on the edge of the safety zone, where they'd be exposed to the intense gravitational pull of black holes?

Even if there were more ships, the Normandy is clearly more agile than the Collector ships. Race past them to the base or use hit and run tactics as ships that size are usually doing.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ME is supposed to be credible.
Lazarus isn't science. It isn't even science-based. It isn't even space magic, as even magic usually doesn't create something from nothing (rahter is borrows/pulls).

It's not good writing.
ME2 plot wasn't good to begin with.

So...Liara using her unexplained space magic to make sense of the gibberish inside Shepard's head that was somehow imprinted in his brain instead of messing it all up as it wasn't meant for his species to use the Prothean beacons because he had a "strong" mind, just to locate a backdoor into the Citadel is "credible" science?

Ha.

No, that's crap too IMHO. But it works, makes some sense within the plot and I moved past it, hoping no more crap will be thrown at me.

That's just as credible science as humanity suddenly developing a gel which rapidly heals wounds and increases cellular regeneration without even explaining how it works in the first place.

Nope...Not even nearly the same.
Cellular regeneration is one thing.
Data out of nothing is another thing compeltely.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 19 septembre 2011 - 01:32 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Most redicolous reasoning ever....

What if there was  ten cruisers camping the other side of hte relay? It would have been the shorest suicide mission ever!

Thank god you're not a general or in charge or any military action. Tehre wouldn't be any survivors on your side.

Oh. You mean, inside the large debris field or just on the edge of the safety zone, where they'd be exposed to the intense gravitational pull of black holes?

You are making no sense.
The safety zone is big enough to hold an enitre flett for one.
For another, how would you even know whats out there?
That's all assuming the IFF works and you don't end up coming in pieces.

So yes. Scout out. Tests the IFF. Use common sense.

Even if there were more ships, the Normandy is clearly more agile than the Collector ships. Race past them to the base or use hit and run tactics as ships that size are usually doing.

Yes...because when there's 10 ships shooting at you at point black, your agiltiy will be the wining factor here....

The over-confidence in Normandy and the level of dellusion is amazing....

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

No, that's crap too IMHO. But it works, makes some sense within the plot and I moved past it, hoping no more crap will be thrown at me.

By the same logic, people should be able to move on from this. Yet, they aren't.

ME1's story would be just as bad too. Because it's also using the "rule of cool". On Ilos, for example.

They said that a drop like that wasn't possible, yet they did it.

[aznricepuff]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Most redicolous reasoning ever....

What if there was  ten cruisers camping the other side of hte relay? It would have been the shorest suicide mission ever!

Thank god you're not a general or in charge or any military action. Tehre wouldn't be any survivors on your side.

Oh. You mean, inside the large debris field or just on the edge of the safety zone, where they'd be exposed to the intense gravitational pull of black holes?

You are making no sense.
The safety zone is big enough to hold an enitre flett for one.
For another, how would you even know whats out there?
That's all assuming the IFF works and you don't end up coming in pieces.

So yes. Scout out. Tests the IFF. Use common sense.

Even if there were more ships, the Normandy is clearly more agile than the Collector ships. Race past them to the base or use hit and run tactics as ships that size are usually doing.

Yes...because when there's 10 ships shooting at you at point black, your agiltiy will be the wining factor here....

The over-confidence in Normandy and the level of dellusion is amazing....

They have one IFF. If they mount it on a probe and lose it...they're kind of screwed (and there's multiple ways they could've lost it even without defenses shooting at it, and in that case they would've screwed themselves for no good reason).

[CroGamer002]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

So...Liara using her unexplained space magic to make sense of the gibberish inside Shepard's head that was somehow imprinted in his brain instead of messing it all up as it wasn't meant for his species to use the Prothean beacons because he had a "strong" mind, just to locate a backdoor into the Citadel is "credible" science?

Ha.

No, that's crap too IMHO. But it works, makes some sense within the plot and I moved past it, hoping no more crap will be thrown at me.

So when Mass Effect 1 does it's not bad writing, but when Mass Effect 2 does it's bad writing?


This is the first time and list time I will ever reply to you.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Most redicolous reasoning ever....

What if there was  ten cruisers camping the other side of hte relay? It would have been the shorest suicide mission ever!

Thank god you're not a general or in charge or any military action. Tehre wouldn't be any survivors on your side.

Oh. You mean, inside the large debris field or just on the edge of the safety zone, where they'd be exposed to the intense gravitational pull of black holes?

You are making no sense.
The safety zone is big enough to hold an enitre flett for one.
For another, how would you even know whats out there?
That's all assuming the IFF works and you don't end up coming in pieces.

So yes. Scout out. Tests the IFF. Use common sense.

Even if there were more ships, the Normandy is clearly more agile than the Collector ships. Race past them to the base or use hit and run tactics as ships that size are usually doing.

Yes...because when there's 10 ships shooting at you at point black, your agiltiy will be the wining factor here....

The over-confidence in Normandy and the level of dellusion is amazing....

Okay, do you even know how big that saftey zone is?

It could just be enough wiggle room to get past the debris field and to the Collector base for all you know.

Also, if the IFF didn't work, then I'm fairly sure EDI would've noticed it. People tend to check their equipment before using it. They have tested the IFF. It works.

And if the Collector ships were there at point blank range, not only would they endanger their own ships, as there's a debris field there, they would be running the risk of being hit by a ship moving at FTL speeds, which is very dangerous and a completely unnecessary risk.

You're also putting a lot of faith in that nonexistent fleet, which is equally as delusional.

[Guldhun2]

aznricepuff wrote...
They have one IFF. If they mount it on a probe and lose it...they're kind of screwed (and there's multiple ways they could've lost it even without defenses shooting at it, and in that case they would've screwed themselves for no good reason).

Neither did the Shadow broker, unless he had a hundred IFFs laying around. He did send probes, and they did came back. That they are damaged doesn't matter, they came back is what counts. But don't let me stop you from making no sense.

[Someone With Mass]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Neither did the Shadow broker, unless he had a hundred IFFs laying around. He did send probes, and they did came back. That they are damaged doesn't matter, they came back is what counts. But don't let me stop you from making no sense.

He recovered the remains of those probes.

But don't let me stop you from grasping at straws for the sake of arguing.