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[ThePwener]

Saphra Deden wrote...

bduff4545 wrote...

Why doesnt he make his own game if he thinks ME2 (an award winning game) should change so drastically.

Do you ask this of movie critics or anybody who doesn't like how a movie turns out?

I think the Star Wars prequels sucked but I'm not gonna go and direct my own trilogy to prove it. I don't need to. The movies suck regardless.

Oh please, he isn't a critic, he's just an idiot on the internet with a You Tube account and too much time in his hands.

[bduff4545]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

OH MY GOD! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

YOU'VE JUST OPENED THE GATES TO HELL!!!

OH SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIII-

[KotorEffect3]

In the end stuff like this just feeds Smudboy's already overinflated ego.

[ThePwener]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

In the end stuff like this just feeds Smudboy's already overinflated ego.

He's human!?

Dun Dun Dun

[Genshie]

Why are you posting this? This has been already covered several times and this video is old. Alot more info has been released since June. Please don't feed Smudboy.

[ThePwener]

Saphra Deden wrote...

He's a critic, just not a professional one because nobody pays him. That doesn't invalidate anything he's said about ME2. His criticisms are spot on in my opinion.

The game is good enough, but when you analyze it in detail it is obvious the developers didn't plan this very far ahead of time.

I don't think they planned ME3 very much either.

Oh look, assumptions/opinions that differ to mine on the internet by an unknown. Dismissed!

Modifié par ThePwener, 28 août 2011 - 02:48 .

[Kasai666]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

OH MY GOD! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

YOU'VE JUST OPENED THE GATES TO HELL!!!

Nay, Pandora's Box!

[Hathur]

Ah yes, armchair dev development & design... why not... afterall armchair quarterbacks are clearly successful and making millions of dollars...

Modifié par Hathur, 28 août 2011 - 02:49 .

[bduff4545]

Genshie wrote...

Why are you posting this? This has been already covered several times and this video is old. Alot more info has been released since June. Please don't feed Smudboy.

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I'm sorry, I didnt know things like this were posted already.

[ThePwener]

bduff4545 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Why are you posting this? This has been already covered several times and this video is old. Alot more info has been released since June. Please don't feed Smudboy.

I'm sorry, I didnt know things like this were posted already.

Don't sweat it, makes time here worth while.

[bduff4545]

ThePwener wrote...

bduff4545 wrote...

Genshie wrote...

Why are you posting this? This has been already covered several times and this video is old. Alot more info has been released since June. Please don't feed Smudboy.

I'm sorry, I didnt know things like this were posted already.

Don't sweat it, makes time here worth while.

Thanks

[Balek-Vriege]

The first set of videos seem to be negative criticism for the sake of negative criticism.  The way he goes on about Mass Effect is the same way anyone could go on about any fiction, good or bad.  Also a lot of his points that he goes on about for 5-10 minutes are easily answered by plot revelations, simple facts and some critical thinking.  If he took as much time actually paying attention to the plot instead of finding ways to harp about it, he may have saved himself 75-90% of the time it took to make his videos.

Squee's video is very on point, with actual supporting points and is fairly impartial.  Also seems to have a lot more knowledge about the story and the facts of the story/plot.  In a way, Smudboy should take some pointers on the way Squee supports his points.  Pretty much essay format.


I watched the third video link too and it was meh.  It doesn't make a case that the marketing is bad or wrong and how it could effect development in any way.  Instead it takes insignificant quotes and clips, blows them out of porportion with "special effects," alienating cut offs, alienating music cut ins, and meaningless criticism.  The focus on the Omniblade was pretty bad and quite sad.

I think Smudboy was initially rubbed the wrong way by Mass Effect 2 and his opinions got even more extreme over time until he saw what he wanted to see:  The worst story/writing ever.

[Elvis_Mazur]

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[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Squee's video sucked because all he did was attack the person making the argument and then complain that he was being too high-brow for his audience. Squee didn't make an actual rebuttal.

Yeah, he did.

It was better than smudboy complaining about how we knew nothing about the Collectors and didn't try to learn anything about them (which we did on the Collector ship).

For a guy who talks about plotholes, smudboy's own arguments have holes in them you can fly the Normandy through.

[IndigoWolfe]

To be quite honest, the people who criticize Smudboy on his opinions are often far ruder than he ever is.

[Eckswhyzee]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Squee's video sucked because all he did was attack the person making the argument and then complain that he was being too high-brow for his audience. Squee didn't make an actual rebuttal.

WAT:huh:

...did you watch the same video I did?

EDIT: Whatever I think about smudboy, at least he's polite. Staggeringly wrong, of course, but still fairly polite.

Modifié par Eckswhyzee, 28 août 2011 - 03:56 .

[kidbd15]

bduff4545 wrote...

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

OH MY GOD! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

YOU'VE JUST OPENED THE GATES TO HELL!!!

OH SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIII-

SOMEONE CALL THE WINCHESTERS!!!

[100k]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Squee's video sucked because all he did was attack the person making the argument and then complain that he was being too high-brow for his audience. Squee didn't make an actual rebuttal.

Yeah, he did.

It was better than smudboy complaining about how we knew nothing about the Collectors and didn't try to learn anything about them (which we did on the Collector ship).

For a guy who talks about plotholes, smudboy's own arguments have holes in them you can fly the Normandy through.

I don't wanna take sides anymore because I think both Squee and Smudboy are right and wrong in their respective areas -- but I will say that Squee's counter arguments weren't very well prepared -- and Smudboy made a reply video explaining WHY Squee's argument just didn't work. To my knowledge, Squee hasn't watched it -- or at least realized that this really isn't an argument worth having via youtube.

In the end, Squee is a bigger fan and he seems like a nicer guy, but he DID miss the points Smud was trying to make in the original ME2 attack (mainly about fluent storytelling, characterization, hand waving, and plot holes).

[Balek-Vriege]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

The first set of videos seem to be negative criticism for the sake of negative criticism.  The way he goes on about Mass Effect is the same way anyone could go on about any fiction, good or bad.

How so? He doesn't generalize much. He points out specific problems in the plot and design. How much more detailed does he need to be?


 

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Also a lot of his points that he goes on about for 5-10 minutes are easily answered by plot revelations, simple facts and some critical thinking.

Such as?

Balak-Vriege wrote...

Squee's video is very on point, with actual supporting points and is fairly impartial.

Squee's video sucked because all he did was attack the person making the argument and then complain that he was being too high-brow for his audience. Squee didn't make an actual rebuttal.

There's a difference between talking a lot and sounding like you have a point (you might even have a valid point), and actually making a point.  Smudboy ignores a lot of facts to make his arguements.  He also doesn't use a lot of common sense and suspension of belief that most people apply to science fiction.  If you have to, play a part of Smudboy's video than the rebuttal from Squee.  You may notice a lot of Smud's criticism is based off his opinions alone of what true writing/plot advancement is.

And Squee did make a valid rebuttal.  The question is whether you believed or wanted to believe in it or not.  Squee's rebuttals were factually based on generally known facts and knowledge about Mass Effect plot and/or gameplay/roleplay elements.  He connected the dots between various story arcs and background info Smud basically ignored in his videos.

Edit:  Also just because someone made a video challenging some views he thought were off, doesn't make the video suck or a personal attack.  People disagree with things formally all the time just like on these forums.  Squee went very out of his way to not attack Smudboy, but he did end up taking some shots because it's really hard not to when a major problem with Smud's videos are how he presents arguments.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 28 août 2011 - 03:47 .

[Lucifer_Cheney]

For me Squee's and Smudboy's Mass Effect Fanboyism is the equivalent of how some in the Star Wars Univers view the Jedi and Sith battling over purpose of the force and how it should be used. By which as far as ME is concerned, they are both over-obssessed, know-it-all complainers.

:Edited for clairity!

Modifié par Lucifer_Cheney, 28 août 2011 - 04:03 .

[sbvera13]

Smudboy's were definately better done, and he's got a knack for identifying key plot ploints. He fails because he tries to breakdown each point, but doesn't discuss how they impact the story or make it bad. I agree heartily that killing shepard and resurrecting him was bad, but his reasoning overlooks the colossal flaw in that event: it was boring and didn't move the story. Technically jargon and wondering why he didn't burn up in the atmosphere don't matter when it really comes down to bad writing anyway.

squee's video was horrid and disorganized. He doesn't even start addressing the arguments until 5 minutes in, spending that time instead by telling everyone how annoyed he is that someone else was telling everyone how annoyed they were. He again didn't address the key issues, but instead of breaking down obnoxiously nitpicky points about ME2, he starts breaking down obnoxiously nitpicky points of Smudboy's vid.

The two are a perfectly matched pair, imo.

[Pacifien]

I miss the FAQs people would write on newsgroups. Then someone could write the FAQ "Have you seen smudboy's videos?" And the response would be "Yes, we have. Now try discussing the game using your own opinions instead of relying on someone else's."