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[Gatt9]

Il Divo wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...
It's not acceptable to label a 50% rating as average. Is a 50% on a test score average? No, it's failing. 5.5/10 = a bad game. Pick up any video game magazine from the last 15 years and look at their ratings system. 5-6 = not worth experiencing. Not "opinion" in this case as it's an industry standard. 37% ratings = abyssmal.

Partially caused by some review / ratings websites being afraid of angering a published by giving a rating less than 6/10 (or equivalent) to any game from that publisher... 

I don't know enough about publisher-website relations to really comment on that, but I do think thatreviews have become more skewed toward the higher end of the spectrum. So many games are given scores in the 70-100 spectrum that anything below indicates that the game is not worth playing. Essentially, reviewers don't use the bottom half of the rating spectrum, and when they do it typically indicates (in their opinion) that the game is crap.

There's plenty of material out there on it Il Divo...

It has a few components....

Rules to Previewing:  Remain positive,  do not discuss bugs,  do not discuss features because they may not yet be "Finished".  Violate the rules,  get blacklisted,  never get preview games again.

Rules to Day 1 reviews:  A few days before marketing from the company will call you,  ask what you thought,  ask what rating you think you'll give.  If it's a good rating,  they "Offer" to let you break the Review date embargo to get your review our early and get traffic.  If it's not,  you're stuck with the embargo,  which is usually at best day of release,  sometimes later due to foreign release dates.  Guess which option they usually go with?  (Good way to identify who uses this tactic,  google game release dates and compare to review dates,  IIRC there was one game in the last year who's reviews came out months after the US release due to the Euro date,  don't take much to figure out why)

Rules to Advertisers:  They will "Suggest" that you re-review a game if they don't like the first review.  They'll also "Suggest" they're going to review your advertising contract if you don't.  Which results in a Gamespot,  where they "Let go" the reviewer after an Advertiser didn't like his review,  for "Undisclosed reasons".

Side note:  Anandtech did a piece a few years ago on magazines selling covers and other favorable coverage,  the piece was hardware oriented,  but hardware and software are pretty much the same.  That "Game of the year that everyone's waiting for!",  it probably wasn't the editorial department that decided that.

http://social.biowar...index/7145086/1
http://www.firingsqu...?searchid=23784

I lost the link to the leak about preview rules,  and the gamespot links are everywhere.

This industry is very,  very,  corrupt.  One big name publisher bans any fansites that don't jump on their bandwagon,  bans users for being at all negative,  and plants shills.  others allow their employees to post reviews on Metacritic as if they were average gamers,  and presumably other sites.  (No I'm not naming the companies,  so don't anyone assume I mean EA).

It's all about first two week sales,  that's where most games sell their best.  So they do everything in their power to make sure that the first two weeks portray the game in a good light so that everyone finds out too late.

You should do some research on the history of the gaming industry,  especially it's dark secrets.  You'll be surprised,  the industry is nowhere near as pleasant and well managed as people think it is.  My personal favorite is the lectures on community management and manipulation that started popping up circa 2001.  Many of the components of that original GDC lecture are obvious today,  and it's a real shame that the lecture notes have mysteriously disappeared since then.

Modifié par Gatt9, 20 septembre 2011 - 04:05 .

[dreman9999]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

I'm not sure about this, but canonically, doesn't Lair of the Shadow Broker occur after the Suicide Mission? Same as Arrival. Weren't they described as a 'bridge' between ME2 and ME3?

It can happen any time in the story after horizon. Their is no canon.

Actually, there is a canon order of certain events as far as the storytelling goes. 

No, bioware has said it over and over again...There is no canon. One persons shepard can do arriaval
 before the Suicide misson, one persons Shepard can do it after.It the same with lotsb and both are different besed on when you do the mssion. Bioware would notput the effort to make the mission different pre and post Suicide mission if their was only going to be one cannon choice.

No. You are wrong. Novels and comics are canon. Devs have stated repeatedly Arrival happens 2 months before ME3, while ME2 ended before that.

I'm just referring to the games with Shepard. Outside of Anderson not being the councilor. On that, nothing is stated that the final mission did not happen around the same time frame of the suicide mission. We know arrival happen 2  or more months before ME3, but there is not time frame stated to when the suicide misson happen.So it could easilly happen during those 2 months or after. There's no cannon to when the Suicide mission happened.

No, Arrival takes place after ME2. If not, then the devs would have said "ME3 takes place 2 months after ME2" rather than "ME3 takes place 2 months after Arrival".

Has anyone looked at the new Mass Effect: Conviction comic? If that's canon, then it strongly suggests that Arrival canonically took place AFTER the Suicide Mission. Vega is shown watching news broadcasts several days after the discovery of the destruction of the Bahak system. By this time, the Normandy and Shepard have already been captured by Alliance officials.

Again, nothing in that comic says when they captured shepard nor or how long ago the event happened. It could easily happen the same month as the suicide mission. iT can happen before the suicide mission or after.

[Phaelducan]

Gatt9 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...
It's not acceptable to label a 50% rating as average. Is a 50% on a test score average? No, it's failing. 5.5/10 = a bad game. Pick up any video game magazine from the last 15 years and look at their ratings system. 5-6 = not worth experiencing. Not "opinion" in this case as it's an industry standard. 37% ratings = abyssmal.

Partially caused by some review / ratings websites being afraid of angering a published by giving a rating less than 6/10 (or equivalent) to any game from that publisher... 

I don't know enough about publisher-website relations to really comment on that, but I do think thatreviews have become more skewed toward the higher end of the spectrum. So many games are given scores in the 70-100 spectrum that anything below indicates that the game is not worth playing. Essentially, reviewers don't use the bottom half of the rating spectrum, and when they do it typically indicates (in their opinion) that the game is crap.

There's plenty of material out there on it Il Divo...

It has a few components....

Rules to Previewing:  Remain positive,  do not discuss bugs,  do not discuss features because they may not yet be "Finished".  Violate the rules,  get blacklisted,  never get preview games again.

Rules to Day 1 reviews:  A few days before marketing from the company will call you,  ask what you thought,  ask what rating you think you'll give.  If it's a good rating,  they "Offer" to let you break the Review date embargo to get your review our early and get traffic.  If it's not,  you're stuck with the embargo,  which is usually at best day of release,  sometimes later due to foreign release dates.  Guess which option they usually go with?  (Good way to identify who uses this tactic,  google game release dates and compare to review dates,  IIRC there was one game in the last year who's reviews came out months after the US release due to the Euro date,  don't take much to figure out why)

Rules to Advertisers:  They will "Suggest" that you re-review a game if they don't like the first review.  They'll also "Suggest" they're going to review your advertising contract if you don't.  Which results in a Gamespot,  where they "Let go" the reviewer after an Advertiser didn't like his review,  for "Undisclosed reasons".

Side note:  Anandtech did a piece a few years ago on magazines selling covers and other favorable coverage,  the piece was hardware oriented,  but hardware and software are pretty much the same.  That "Game of the year that everyone's waiting for!",  it probably wasn't the editorial department that decided that.

http://social.biowar...index/7145086/1
http://www.firingsqu...?searchid=23784

I lost the link to the leak about preview rules,  and the gamespot links are everywhere.

This industry is very,  very,  corrupt.  One big name publisher bans any fansites that don't jump on their bandwagon,  bans users for being at all negative,  and plants shills.  others allow their employees to post reviews on Metacritic as if they were average gamers,  and presumably other sites.  (No I'm not naming the companies,  so don't anyone assume I mean EA).

It's all about first two week sales,  that's where most games sell their best.  So they do everything in their power to make sure that the first two weeks portray the game in a good light so that everyone finds out too late.

You should do some research on the history of the gaming industry,  especially it's dark secrets.  You'll be surprised,  the industry is nowhere near as pleasant and well managed as people think it is.  My personal favorite is the lectures on community management and manipulation that started popping up circa 2001.  Many of the components of that original GDC lecture are obvious today,  and it's a real shame that the lecture notes have mysteriously disappeared since then.

Dude, way to bring some academic chops. Well played, sir.

[111987]

dreman9999 wrote...

Again, nothing in that comic says when they captured shepard nor or how long ago the event happened. It could easily happen the same month as the suicide mission. iT can happen before the suicide mission or after.

It's a breaking news report about the events of Arrival...and at the end of the comic, Shepard is shown in chains, being prepard to be brought to Earth.

You can figure this out

[didymos1120]

dreman9999 wrote...

Again, nothing in that comic says when they captured shepard nor or how long ago the event happened. It could easily happen the same month as the suicide mission. iT can happen before the suicide mission or after.

Yeah, except, oh...the very first thing you read in the comic:

Somewhere deep in the heart of Omega.  Days after the annihilation of a batarian system by Commander Shepard

[dreman9999]

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Again, nothing in that comic says when they captured shepard nor or how long ago the event happened. It could easily happen the same month as the suicide mission. iT can happen before the suicide mission or after.

It's a breaking news report about the events of Arrival...and at the end of the comic, Shepard is shown in chains, being prepard to be brought to Earth.

You can figure this out

No. it not. Think of it more of the lines as the way news was reported during 9/11. It was about what the citidel was trying to do about it, not about the event just happening.

[didymos1120]

dreman9999 wrote...

No. it not. Think of it more of the lines as the way news was reported during 9/11. It was about what the citidel was trying to do about it, not about the event just happening.

It plainly says "Days after" in THE NARRATION. Not the news report: THE NARRATION.  Weak rationalizations don't get you out of that.

Modifié par didymos1120, 20 septembre 2011 - 04:57 .

[111987]

dreman9999 wrote...

111987 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Again, nothing in that comic says when they captured shepard nor or how long ago the event happened. It could easily happen the same month as the suicide mission. iT can happen before the suicide mission or after.

It's a breaking news report about the events of Arrival...and at the end of the comic, Shepard is shown in chains, being prepard to be brought to Earth.

You can figure this out

No. it not. Think of it more of the lines as the way news was reported during 9/11. It was about what the citidel was trying to do about it, not about the event just happening.

Please...just stop. Even you must know you're wrong about this.

Anyways, my whole point with asking about the canon timeline of the DLC was that if LOTSB cannonicaly takes place AFTER the Suicide Mission, the whole 'probe' argument is over because the Shadow Broker could have just taken the iFF from the Normandy.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Most signs seem to suggest that LOTSB does take place post-suicide mission, canonically speaking. I even remember one of the developers stating as such.

[Lotion Soronarr]

111987 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

111987 wrote...
Different situation. On Horizon, a confrontation wasn't necesarry.

Confronting the ship on Horizon was not necessary. But confronting AND destroying it would be a pretty devastating blow to the Collectors by reducing their capacity to harvest colonies.

In the galactic core, it was inevitable.

And that is what makes it silly if they are unsure and believe that the ship might easily defeat the SR-2. Then jumping in blind might not exactly be the best idea. What if there were two unbeatable collector cruisers at the core?

It would be a devastating blow to the Collectors. You know what else would be a devastating blow? Losing Shepard and the Normandy on an assault with an unknown chance of victory.

It's called a Suicide Mission; there aren't any guarantees. If the Collector Ship was unbeatable, then Shepard couldn't have done anything else about it.

So why is it OK for Shep to throw his life away in the SM, but not on Horizon? What does it matter?

You're not making any sense here.

[111987]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

111987 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

111987 wrote...
Different situation. On Horizon, a confrontation wasn't necesarry.

Confronting the ship on Horizon was not necessary. But confronting AND destroying it would be a pretty devastating blow to the Collectors by reducing their capacity to harvest colonies.

In the galactic core, it was inevitable.

And that is what makes it silly if they are unsure and believe that the ship might easily defeat the SR-2. Then jumping in blind might not exactly be the best idea. What if there were two unbeatable collector cruisers at the core?

It would be a devastating blow to the Collectors. You know what else would be a devastating blow? Losing Shepard and the Normandy on an assault with an unknown chance of victory.

It's called a Suicide Mission; there aren't any guarantees. If the Collector Ship was unbeatable, then Shepard couldn't have done anything else about it.

So why is it OK for Shep to throw his life away in the SM, but not on Horizon? What does it matter?

You're not making any sense here.

It's a different situation. On Horizon, the goal is to stop the Collectors. Avoiding drawing the ire of the Collector Ship helps accomplish that goal. On the Suicide Mission, the goal is to get to the Collector Base and destroy it. In one situation, a confrontation is avoidable; in the other, it unfortunatley had to happen.

Also, and this is just pure speculation, but EDI did datamine the Collector Ship, so she could easily have gotten data on the Collector weaponry and shielding and postulated that an assault on it could be possible.

[Lotion Soronarr]

LeVaughnX wrote...
The reason everyone should disregard your blabbing "Lotion" is because of this very statement..

""Youre knowledge of robotics community is as good as your knowledge of biology - horrible.""

Are you blind? Stupid? Or just Smudboy 2.0? If "YOU'RE" going to insult someone at least attempt to spell correctly and use proper grammar skills...I mean why the hell would you try to act like you know something if you say ""YOURE"" when you don't even need to?

Shut up - stop posting - go find Zulu and have a baby or something.

No. Why dont' you shut up? - It's not like you ever had anything smart to say...Apparently, you consider complaining about typos the hight of with and dicussing arguments.<_<

You aproval of my posting is neither required nor wanted. Your dissaproval however, is a good sign. It's basicly an indorsment for me. Thank you for confirming I'm on the right track!

[Lotion Soronarr]

Phaelducan wrote...

Every time you post it further confirms how childish you are. I'd say I'm disappointed in you, but that would mean I thought you were something more than some thick jarhead wannabe who got their understanding of military tactics from an A-Team episode.

Your dissapointment fills me with pride.
But I do wonder where do you draw your extensive knowledge of military tactics? My little pony? Kinda look right up your alley.

You don't even know squat about the game, really, so why are you even posting about it?

I apprently know a lot more than you, so by your own criteria, if I'm not allowed to post, you shouldn't be allowed to breathe.

Oh, and I am a fanboy, but not for Mass Effect or Bioware. It's just foolish the amount of rhetoric being vomited on ME2 for invalid reasons. 

Very valid reasons. Unfortunately, some people have rose-tinted glasses welded to their heads.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

1. They had small, powerful and moving defenses, which are even better, since a ship can just zoom past those static defenses with ease. Here's something else. The debris field. It's constantly moving.

Apparently not powerfull enough.
And you can't just zoom past static defenses with ease.

Again, they had no idea what was on the other side. For all the knew it could have been a gigantic wall for them to crash into.

2. That is still a test, ******. A signal that activates the special function of the relay which allows for precision jumps is exactly what they were aiming for. And how could they test that? Strapping the IFF on one of those probes which everyone claims to be so ****ing brilliant and hope it comes back?

That's not a live test ******. Unless you know exactly how the relay will react to that signal, you're boned.

3. Yeah, deadlier for the Collectors, since they would have to approach the relay from the exact same angle all the time to avoid ramming into those defenses.

But they would know. And hence they woudk always approach it from teh same angle. IT's not dangerous for hte Collectors. Your point is moot.

4. The Collectors have only been around for about fifty thousand years, and a even better move would be to take all those massive fleets out into dark space and put them into hibernation as a part of the Reapers' conquering fleet instead of letting them waste energy trying to protect themselves from the intense radiations and gravitational pulls from the galactic core.

Except shep doesn't know how long hte collectors have been around. He doesn't know how many ships they got. He doesn't know what defenses are on the other side fo hte Omega relay.

The difference between you and me is that I'm actually capable of believing in other outcomes or situations than the one I think is right or the most probable. 

While you're going "I am always right! I can't be wrong! Everything I say is the truth, no matter how stupid it is!" all the time.

The difference between you and me is that you are downright ignoring anything that contradicts your oppinion.

Despite it being proven that Shep and the crew have no idea what's on the other side, you consider jumping in blind with a untested IFF a great idea...and then you try to claim the position of reason.

[Phaelducan]

/yawn

Vegas odds on whether you can shut your ignorant mouth up are about 500:1.

So here's my money on you saying something else stupid presently.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The difference between you and me is that you are downright ignoring anything that contradicts your oppinion.

You did not just say that....you of all people, you do it every single day.


In almost every other post.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 20 septembre 2011 - 06:21 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. Horizon....If the Normandy tried to get close, the collect ship would just launch off quickly and destroy it before the normandy gets close. Plus they want the info on the collector ship. Destorying the ship would destroy the info.

You mean jsut like the Collector cruiser destroyed the Normandy 2 near the Cb? Oh, wait....that's right..it didn't. Despite having the advantage of being able to fully manouver and not being in atmosphere!

And no, it can't launch that fast..look how long it took it to lauch there. And who said you must destroy? Cripple.

2. The collector ship mission...The normandy has no momentum yet to evade or quickly attack. The only time they had is before the ship was active and at that point they still wanted to the info on the ship.

BLOW...UP..THE..ENGINES.
Make SURE the Collector ship is crippled. It's not rocket science, and it painfulyl easy with a non-moving powered down target.

[Phaelducan]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...
The reason everyone should disregard your blabbing "Lotion" is because of this very statement..

""Youre knowledge of robotics community is as good as your knowledge of biology - horrible.""

Are you blind? Stupid? Or just Smudboy 2.0? If "YOU'RE" going to insult someone at least attempt to spell correctly and use proper grammar skills...I mean why the hell would you try to act like you know something if you say ""YOURE"" when you don't even need to?

Shut up - stop posting - go find Zulu and have a baby or something.

No. Why dont' you shut up? - It's not like you ever had anything smart to say...Apparently, you consider complaining about typos the hight of with and dicussing arguments.<_<

You aproval of my posting is neither required nor wanted. Your dissaproval however, is a good sign. It's basicly an indorsment for me. Thank you for confirming I'm on the right track!

"No Why don' you shut up? (sic)" Then saying they can't post anything smart.... then saying your murdering of the language is.... typos?

We need to start a collection pool to send you to school. I'd say college, but I'm guessing High School would be more appropriate.

[Lotion Soronarr]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Sheppard doesn't have to do anything.

Sending a probes poses a risk or loosing hte IFF?
Sending the ship poses the risk of loosing the IFF, Shep And the Normandy! Which is the great loss?

And since no one knows what the collectors are up to, taking that risk at that point is downright silly. Heck, even knowing what tehy are up to does not justify the risk.

What to stop the collectors? Campt the relay. Blow it up. Or add some more sense into the galaxy where the faction actually are capalbe of soemthing wihout God-Sheppard.

Shepard has to do something. He may not need to do it right then, be he had to do something about the collector who are helping the reapers. In a war you never want the enemy to make a base in your back yard. If they do and you have the chance to destroy it with no effects to you other resorces, formation and tactics.....You destroy the base.

Except they didn't have to destroy it...especially not RIGHT NOW.
Of what use is the CB to the collectors if they can't exit their own system?

The only time constraint one has it to save the crew...and that doesn't really justify sacrificing the rest of the crew, the ship and everything else on a Hail Mary.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Nashiktal wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I awaited your arrival Failducan.
My day is not compelte unless I can bash blinded fanboys.

That's a rather petty hobby.  Ever considered, say, gardening?

This is probably pretty obvious, but I paint miniatures myself. 

-For the greater good.

FOR THE EMPRAH!
You greater good pales in comparison to His glory!

[Nashiktal]

You know I have to say I didn't really like the new comic with Vega. They tried to fit too much story into too few pages I think. Although I do like how it reveals we will know vega. It paints him as a guardian of sorts, kinda like Aveline.

[Lotion Soronarr]

111987 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Well killjoy, like it or not ALL the DLC is canon. What happens in them actually happens in universe. IF you don't accept it, then you are fighting without a leg. Perhaps he used resources from his dealings with the collectors to do it, but he DID do it.

In any case you are still ignoring what I pointed out about what we CAN learn from probes, intact or not.

I cannot argue with you about the IFF, neither of us has any evidence to say whether or not the IFF could be copied, I will just have to say I disagree.

Even pieces coming back is a one in a million chance.

I kinda doubt the SB sent millions of probes.
Sauce?

Either back that statement up with solid numbers, or never speak of it again.

[Nashiktal]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I awaited your arrival Failducan.
My day is not compelte unless I can bash blinded fanboys.

That's a rather petty hobby.  Ever considered, say, gardening?

This is probably pretty obvious, but I paint miniatures myself. 

-For the greater good.

FOR THE EMPRAH!
You greater good pales in comparison to His glory!

Keep your decaying corpse and let your empire finish its inevitable rot. It is the Tau's time to rise in your stead.

[Nashiktal]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Sheppard doesn't have to do anything.

Sending a probes poses a risk or loosing hte IFF?
Sending the ship poses the risk of loosing the IFF, Shep And the Normandy! Which is the great loss?

And since no one knows what the collectors are up to, taking that risk at that point is downright silly. Heck, even knowing what tehy are up to does not justify the risk.

What to stop the collectors? Campt the relay. Blow it up. Or add some more sense into the galaxy where the faction actually are capalbe of soemthing wihout God-Sheppard.

Shepard has to do something. He may not need to do it right then, be he had to do something about the collector who are helping the reapers. In a war you never want the enemy to make a base in your back yard. If they do and you have the chance to destroy it with no effects to you other resorces, formation and tactics.....You destroy the base.

Except they didn't have to destroy it...especially not RIGHT NOW.
Of what use is the CB to the collectors if they can't exit their own system?

The only time constraint one has it to save the crew...and that doesn't really justify sacrificing the rest of the crew, the ship and everything else on a Hail Mary.

You don't even always have the saving the crew timer. Mine didn't get kidnapped until the galaxy was literally barren of quests.

[didymos1120]

Hey guys: could you spend even more time exchanging petty, schoolyard insults, 'cause it's soooooo @#$%ing fascinating to read.