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[Phaelducan]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

111987 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Well killjoy, like it or not ALL the DLC is canon. What happens in them actually happens in universe. IF you don't accept it, then you are fighting without a leg. Perhaps he used resources from his dealings with the collectors to do it, but he DID do it.

In any case you are still ignoring what I pointed out about what we CAN learn from probes, intact or not.

I cannot argue with you about the IFF, neither of us has any evidence to say whether or not the IFF could be copied, I will just have to say I disagree.

Even pieces coming back is a one in a million chance.

I kinda doubt the SB sent millions of probes.
Sauce?

Either back that statement up with solid numbers, or never speak of it again.

Yup. Interpreting 1:100,000,000 odds as launching a million probes qualifies. Grats, you said something else stupid.

[Nashiktal]

didymos1120 wrote...

Hey guys: could you spend even more time exchanging petty, schoolyard insults, 'cause it's soooooo @#$%ing fascinating to read.

Sure, always happy to entertain. Although to be fair, we are not trading actual insults.

Its a tabletop gaming thing. We can't not do it,

Modifié par Nashiktal, 20 septembre 2011 - 06:40 .

[Phaelducan]

didymos1120 wrote...

Hey guys: could you spend even more time exchanging petty, schoolyard insults, 'cause it's soooooo @#$%ing fascinating to read.

In all fairness, the petty insults are a small part of the thread. There is some decent discourse as well. Point taken though.

[111987]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

111987 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Well killjoy, like it or not ALL the DLC is canon. What happens in them actually happens in universe. IF you don't accept it, then you are fighting without a leg. Perhaps he used resources from his dealings with the collectors to do it, but he DID do it.

In any case you are still ignoring what I pointed out about what we CAN learn from probes, intact or not.

I cannot argue with you about the IFF, neither of us has any evidence to say whether or not the IFF could be copied, I will just have to say I disagree.

Even pieces coming back is a one in a million chance.

I kinda doubt the SB sent millions of probes.
Sauce?

Either back that statement up with solid numbers, or never speak of it again.

Ugh, well I don't want to do the math, but I think you can figure this out.

If the 'safe-zone' is say, a couple thousand kilometers in area (generous), and drift of several thousannds of kilometers in ANY direction is described as 'common', the chances of a probe landing in the safe zone are minute. Feel free to do the math yourself; if you can show me that it would be likely, I'll gladly concede the point.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Phaelducan wrote...

Straw man. Read Game Informer. They drop 5's all the time. If a game sucks, it sucks. 50% does not equal average.

It does actually. That's called "normal distribution".


Most rating systems have been comepltely skewed and broken by over-inflating scores.
Thankfully ,tehre are stil lsome reviewers and sites that stick to the proper rating system.

[Lotion Soronarr]

111987 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

111987 wrote...

Even pieces coming back is a one in a million chance.

I kinda doubt the SB sent millions of probes.
Sauce?

Either back that statement up with solid numbers, or never speak of it again.

Ugh, well I don't want to do the math, but I think you can figure this out.

If the 'safe-zone' is say, a couple thousand kilometers in area (generous), and drift of several thousannds of kilometers in ANY direction is described as 'common', the chances of a probe landing in the safe zone are minute. Feel free to do the math yourself; if you can show me that it would be likely, I'll gladly concede the point.

Do the math or provide some proof from the game.

[Lotion Soronarr]

111987 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

111987 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

111987 wrote...
Different situation. On Horizon, a confrontation wasn't necesarry.

Confronting the ship on Horizon was not necessary. But confronting AND destroying it would be a pretty devastating blow to the Collectors by reducing their capacity to harvest colonies.

In the galactic core, it was inevitable.

And that is what makes it silly if they are unsure and believe that the ship might easily defeat the SR-2. Then jumping in blind might not exactly be the best idea. What if there were two unbeatable collector cruisers at the core?

It would be a devastating blow to the Collectors. You know what else would be a devastating blow? Losing Shepard and the Normandy on an assault with an unknown chance of victory.

It's called a Suicide Mission; there aren't any guarantees. If the Collector Ship was unbeatable, then Shepard couldn't have done anything else about it.

So why is it OK for Shep to throw his life away in the SM, but not on Horizon? What does it matter?

You're not making any sense here.

It's a different situation. On Horizon, the goal is to stop the Collectors. Avoiding drawing the ire of the Collector Ship helps accomplish that goal. On the Suicide Mission, the goal is to get to the Collector Base and destroy it. In one situation, a confrontation is avoidable; in the other, it unfortunatley had to happen.

And why do you have to fight the Collectors ship? Because you went in trough the O4 relay blind.

Sorry, again it makes no sense. Your'e forcing a confrontation with a unknown enemy force when you don't know if you can even take on ONE cruiser.
And again, you don't have to destroy it at Horizon. Cripple it.

[111987]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

111987 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

111987 wrote...

Even pieces coming back is a one in a million chance.

I kinda doubt the SB sent millions of probes.
Sauce?

Either back that statement up with solid numbers, or never speak of it again.

Ugh, well I don't want to do the math, but I think you can figure this out.

If the 'safe-zone' is say, a couple thousand kilometers in area (generous), and drift of several thousannds of kilometers in ANY direction is described as 'common', the chances of a probe landing in the safe zone are minute. Feel free to do the math yourself; if you can show me that it would be likely, I'll gladly concede the point.

Do the math or provide some proof from the game.

I am not going to spend that much time doing the math to make a point on the a video game forum. You seem like a pretty smart person; I think you can grasp the idea that drift of several thousand kilometers, which is common, would render most ships and probes that traveled through the Omega 4 Relay to be immediatley destroyed.

www.youtube.com/watch

Watch from about 7:40 onwards; EDI explains it quite nicely.

[Phaelducan]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

Straw man. Read Game Informer. They drop 5's all the time. If a game sucks, it sucks. 50% does not equal average.

It does actually. That's called "normal distribution".


Most rating systems have been comepltely skewed and broken by over-inflating scores.
Thankfully ,tehre are stil lsome reviewers and sites that stick to the proper rating system.

"Most rating systems..."

Pay attention to your own words. If most ratings systems no longer utilize a system you are referencing, your "normal distribution" (see what I did there?) no longer applies.

Also, no offense, but you have zero authority commenting on a "proper rating system."

Pick an aggregate if you want, there are several. 50% is not a score assigned to an average video game in this day and age. Again, Homefront got roughly 70% for reviewers and 60% for users. That's an average game. Harry Potter 7.2 got 44 and 50%, respectively. That is below average. You are arguing nonsense.

Edit: Clarifying (again) for the silly people who can't understand standards and means. Say 500 games are scored from 1-100. The vast majority (say 80%) land between 60-85%. 50% is therefor, by definition, not an average score. It is very much so below average. Capisci?  

Modifié par Phaelducan, 20 septembre 2011 - 07:29 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The difference between you and me is that you are downright ignoring anything that contradicts your oppinion.

You did not just say that....you of all people, you do it every single day.


In almost every other post.

You would be describing yourself there.....

Phaelducan wrote...

/yawn

Vegas odds on whether you can shut your ignorant mouth up are about 500:1.
So here's my money on you saying something else stupid presently.

Hmmm..my odds seem a lot better than yours.
Don't think anyone is betteting on you anymore - the winnigns would be astronomical, but everyone knows it's impossible.

[111987]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

111987 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

111987 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

111987 wrote...
Different situation. On Horizon, a confrontation wasn't necesarry.

Confronting the ship on Horizon was not necessary. But confronting AND destroying it would be a pretty devastating blow to the Collectors by reducing their capacity to harvest colonies.

In the galactic core, it was inevitable.

And that is what makes it silly if they are unsure and believe that the ship might easily defeat the SR-2. Then jumping in blind might not exactly be the best idea. What if there were two unbeatable collector cruisers at the core?

It would be a devastating blow to the Collectors. You know what else would be a devastating blow? Losing Shepard and the Normandy on an assault with an unknown chance of victory.

It's called a Suicide Mission; there aren't any guarantees. If the Collector Ship was unbeatable, then Shepard couldn't have done anything else about it.

So why is it OK for Shep to throw his life away in the SM, but not on Horizon? What does it matter?

You're not making any sense here.

It's a different situation. On Horizon, the goal is to stop the Collectors. Avoiding drawing the ire of the Collector Ship helps accomplish that goal. On the Suicide Mission, the goal is to get to the Collector Base and destroy it. In one situation, a confrontation is avoidable; in the other, it unfortunatley had to happen.

And why do you have to fight the Collectors ship? Because you went in trough the O4 relay blind.

Sorry, again it makes no sense. Your'e forcing a confrontation with a unknown enemy force when you don't know if you can even take on ONE cruiser.
And again, you don't have to destroy it at Horizon. Cripple it.

Are you saying if we sent a probe through the relay first, we wouldn't have to fight the Collector Ship? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but that's what it sounds like to me...

Shepard doesn't even know if crippling it would be possible. Plus, the shields of the docked Collector Ship seemed to be much stronger on Horizon than in the galactic core; possibly more power could be focused on generating the shields. Finally, the Collector Ship has shown to be able to detect the Normandy. If the Normandy began to approach the Collector Ship, it would be able to detect it. Remember that we took a shuttle down to Horizon.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Phaelducan wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...
The reason everyone should disregard your blabbing "Lotion" is because of this very statement..

""Youre knowledge of robotics community is as good as your knowledge of biology - horrible.""

Are you blind? Stupid? Or just Smudboy 2.0? If "YOU'RE" going to insult someone at least attempt to spell correctly and use proper grammar skills...I mean why the hell would you try to act like you know something if you say ""YOURE"" when you don't even need to?

Shut up - stop posting - go find Zulu and have a baby or something.

No. Why dont' you shut up? - It's not like you ever had anything smart to say...Apparently, you consider complaining about typos the hight of with and dicussing arguments.<_<

You aproval of my posting is neither required nor wanted. Your dissaproval however, is a good sign. It's basicly an indorsment for me. Thank you for confirming I'm on the right track!

"No Why don' you shut up? (sic)" Then saying they can't post anything smart.... then saying your murdering of the language is.... typos?

We need to start a collection pool to send you to school. I'd say college, but I'm guessing High School would be more appropriate.

Ohhh..more attacking of typos/spelling insted of posting anything of actual importance or any meaningfull arguments?

But of course...I'm already seening a destinct pattern with your posts here.

Mind you, my speed typos are something that can be easily fixed....I don't hink they found a cure for your condition yet.

[didymos1120]

Nashiktal wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Hey guys: could you spend even more time exchanging petty, schoolyard insults, 'cause it's soooooo @#$%ing fascinating to read.

Sure, always happy to entertain. Although to be fair, we are not trading actual insults.

Its a tabletop gaming thing. We can't not do it,

Actually, you weren't included in that. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

111987 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
And why do you have to fight the Collectors ship? Because you went in trough the O4 relay blind.

Sorry, again it makes no sense. Your'e forcing a confrontation with a unknown enemy force when you don't know if you can even take on ONE cruiser.
And again, you don't have to destroy it at Horizon. Cripple it.

Are you saying if we sent a probe through the relay first, we wouldn't have to fight the Collector Ship? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but that's what it sounds like to me...

No. I'm saying we'd know a lot better what we have to deal with. We'd know if we need more ships, more people. How to prepare and what to bring.

Shepard doesn't even know if crippling it would be possible. Plus, the shields of the docked Collector Ship seemed to be much stronger on Horizon than in the galactic core; possibly more power could be focused on generating the shields. Finally, the Collector Ship has shown to be able to detect the Normandy. If the Normandy began to approach the Collector Ship, it would be able to detect it. Remember that we took a shuttle down to Horizon.

1. Crippling is always possible.
2.Unsupported speculation. There is nothing to support that stronger shields theory.
3. We do now know how it detected the Normandy (a spy? a traitor? a locator beacon?)
4. Even if the Collector ship was able to detect the Normandy, so what? Can it take off in time? Even if it can, can it take it out? Can it detect it if it's skimming the surface?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Phaelducan wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

Straw man. Read Game Informer. They drop 5's all the time. If a game sucks, it sucks. 50% does not equal average.

It does actually. That's called "normal distribution".


Most rating systems have been comepltely skewed and broken by over-inflating scores.
Thankfully ,tehre are stil lsome reviewers and sites that stick to the proper rating system.

"Most rating systems..."

Pay attention to your own words. If most ratings systems no longer utilize a system you are referencing, your "normal distribution" (see what I did there?) no longer applies.

Also, no offense, but you have zero authority commenting on a "proper rating system."

Pick an aggregate if you want, there are several. 50% is not a score assigned to an average video game in this day and age. Again, Homefront got roughly 70% for reviewers and 60% for users. That's an average game. Harry Potter 7.2 got 44 and 50%, respectively. That is below average. You are arguing nonsense.

Take a look at the history of rating games and how the rating changed.
teh system is rather simpel and logical.

On a scale of 0 to 100, 50 is in the middle. It's half. It's the average...

You know what? Frak it...I won't even bother to try to explain this to you. You're not worth the effort - go educate yourself.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 20 septembre 2011 - 07:05 .

[didymos1120]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


On a scale of 0 to 100, 50 is in the middle. It's half. It's the average...

If no game ever gets such a score (or does so only rarely) then, no, it's not the average score. The fact that it should be is sort of irrelevant. What matters is what's actually done in practice.  But it's not like there's a consistent, standardized rating scale anyway.  Even aggregate sites use different methodologies to come up with their scores.

[Phaelducan]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...
The reason everyone should disregard your blabbing "Lotion" is because of this very statement..

""Youre knowledge of robotics community is as good as your knowledge of biology - horrible.""

Are you blind? Stupid? Or just Smudboy 2.0? If "YOU'RE" going to insult someone at least attempt to spell correctly and use proper grammar skills...I mean why the hell would you try to act like you know something if you say ""YOURE"" when you don't even need to?

Shut up - stop posting - go find Zulu and have a baby or something.

No. Why dont' you shut up? - It's not like you ever had anything smart to say...Apparently, you consider complaining about typos the hight of with and dicussing arguments.<_<

You aproval of my posting is neither required nor wanted. Your dissaproval however, is a good sign. It's basicly an indorsment for me. Thank you for confirming I'm on the right track!

"No Why don' you shut up? (sic)" Then saying they can't post anything smart.... then saying your murdering of the language is.... typos?

We need to start a collection pool to send you to school. I'd say college, but I'm guessing High School would be more appropriate.

Ohhh..more attacking of typos/spelling insted of posting anything of actual importance or any meaningfull arguments?

But of course...I'm already seening a destinct pattern with your posts here.

Mind you, my speed typos are something that can be easily fixed....I don't hink they found a cure for your condition yet.

Your typos have nothing to do with why I think you are a douche. They have a lot to do with why I think you aren't very smart. Smart people can see when they are doing something obviously incorrect. You clearly can't, as they are rampant in your posts, coinciding with repeated logical fallacies and reading comprehension issues.

If they can be easily fixed, fix them. 

As to complaining about insults over the forum, didymos? Look, I'm as irritated by this as you are, but truth is I have a hard time not getting into it with arrogant jerks who use their opinions as fact and deride others for doing the exact thing they are doing. Lotion yells at everyone who disagrees, makes stupid arguments based on extrapolated non-facts, and boils every response down to "nuh uh, you are!"

I wish I was better at ignoring dummies, but I'm not. I see stupidity and more often then not have to say something. Lotion is the worst example of what BSN has become... and this used to be a cool place to post. He's condescending, arrogant, and blind. classic narcissism, which unfortunately shrinks think is the one thing they can't work on. 

Does it matter that I think/wrote that? Nope, he won't give a rip, and most other folks won't either. Hence the folly of arguing over the internet. There really never is a point to it.

Edit: No point unless people like to argue, I guess. 

Modifié par Phaelducan, 20 septembre 2011 - 07:33 .

[111987]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

111987 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
And why do you have to fight the Collectors ship? Because you went in trough the O4 relay blind.

Sorry, again it makes no sense. Your'e forcing a confrontation with a unknown enemy force when you don't know if you can even take on ONE cruiser.
And again, you don't have to destroy it at Horizon. Cripple it.

Are you saying if we sent a probe through the relay first, we wouldn't have to fight the Collector Ship? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but that's what it sounds like to me...

No. I'm saying we'd know a lot better what we have to deal with. We'd know if we need more ships, more people. How to prepare and what to bring.

Shepard doesn't even know if crippling it would be possible. Plus, the shields of the docked Collector Ship seemed to be much stronger on Horizon than in the galactic core; possibly more power could be focused on generating the shields. Finally, the Collector Ship has shown to be able to detect the Normandy. If the Normandy began to approach the Collector Ship, it would be able to detect it. Remember that we took a shuttle down to Horizon.

1. Crippling is always possible.
2.Unsupported speculation. There is nothing to support that stronger shields theory.
3. We do now know how it detected the Normandy (a spy? a traitor? a locator beacon?)
4. Even if the Collector ship was able to detect the Normandy, so what? Can it take off in time? Even if it can, can it take it out? Can it detect it if it's skimming the surface?

The problem is Cerberus doesn't have much more to give Shepard; TIM doesn't have a fleet or an army (in ME2, anyways). I mean they only have about 150 operatives at the time of ME2. If the Alliance or the Council actually supported Shepard, and Shepard still went in alone, it would definitely be stupid.

I guess the question is; if TIM sent us a few fighters to go through with us or something like that, would it really have enhanced the plot? Not to me, personally. I'd actually think it'd be quite random and not really fit with the theme of the game. But to each their own.

1. Crippling isn't possible if you don't know if you can penetrate the shields or not.
2. True, it's just speculation. But so are your next two points.
3. Occam's Razor suggests that the Collector Ship is able to track the Normandy; the Occuli being able to sense the Normandy also adds to that theory.
4. You're just speculating here too. The Collector Ship actually was able to take off in time to escape the powerful GARDIAN turrets firing at it.

Ultimately it comes down to this; on Horizon, Shepard was facing a complete unknown in the Collector Ship; he had no reason to believe the Normandy could penetrate its shields, or that the Collector ship couldn't fire while landed. It's a hugely unecesarry risk.

In the galactic core, Shepard had no choice but to face the Collector Ship. If he could have avoided it, I'm sure he would have.

Imagine you're walking home from work one night, and you can either take the long way home, or take a short cut through a side alley, but in that side alley there is a group of 7-feet tall, heavily muscled men with knives. You have a gun, so you MIGHT have a chance...but isn't it smarter to just avoid the confrontation?

[Phaelducan]

didymos1120 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


On a scale of 0 to 100, 50 is in the middle. It's half. It's the average...

If no game ever gets such a score (or does so only rarely) then, no, it's not the average score. The fact that it should be is sort of irrelevant. What matters is what's actually done in practice.  But it's not like there's a consistent, standardized rating scale anyway.  Even aggregate sites use different methodologies to come up with their scores.

Logic is useless here. He won't even consider that he isn't right. Narcissists never do. Cite standardized tests, cite Zagat food reviews, cite Amazon consumer reviews, cite consumer reports, cite political polling, cite whatever you want. He won't care, he won't listen, and he sure as hell won't consider that he's wrong. 

Edit: He sure can use emoticons to get his "point" across though.

Modifié par Phaelducan, 20 septembre 2011 - 07:16 .

[Notlikeyoucare]

111987 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

111987 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
And why do you have to fight the Collectors ship? Because you went in trough the O4 relay blind.

Sorry, again it makes no sense. Your'e forcing a confrontation with a unknown enemy force when you don't know if you can even take on ONE cruiser.
And again, you don't have to destroy it at Horizon. Cripple it.

Are you saying if we sent a probe through the relay first, we wouldn't have to fight the Collector Ship? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but that's what it sounds like to me...

No. I'm saying we'd know a lot better what we have to deal with. We'd know if we need more ships, more people. How to prepare and what to bring.

Shepard doesn't even know if crippling it would be possible. Plus, the shields of the docked Collector Ship seemed to be much stronger on Horizon than in the galactic core; possibly more power could be focused on generating the shields. Finally, the Collector Ship has shown to be able to detect the Normandy. If the Normandy began to approach the Collector Ship, it would be able to detect it. Remember that we took a shuttle down to Horizon.

1. Crippling is always possible.
2.Unsupported speculation. There is nothing to support that stronger shields theory.
3. We do now know how it detected the Normandy (a spy? a traitor? a locator beacon?)
4. Even if the Collector ship was able to detect the Normandy, so what? Can it take off in time? Even if it can, can it take it out? Can it detect it if it's skimming the surface?

The problem is Cerberus doesn't have much more to give Shepard; TIM doesn't have a fleet or an army (in ME2, anyways). I mean they only have about 150 operatives at the time of ME2. If the Alliance or the Council actually supported Shepard, and Shepard still went in alone, it would definitely be stupid.

I guess the question is; if TIM sent us a few fighters to go through with us or something like that, would it really have enhanced the plot? Not to me, personally. I'd actually think it'd be quite random and not really fit with the theme of the game. But to each their own.

1. Crippling isn't possible if you don't know if you can penetrate the shields or not.
2. True, it's just speculation. But so are your next two points.
3. Occam's Razor suggests that the Collector Ship is able to track the Normandy; the Occuli being able to sense the Normandy also adds to that theory.
4. You're just speculating here too. The Collector Ship actually was able to take off in time to escape the powerful GARDIAN turrets firing at it.

Ultimately it comes down to this; on Horizon, Shepard was facing a complete unknown in the Collector Ship; he had no reason to believe the Normandy could penetrate its shields, or that the Collector ship couldn't fire while landed. It's a hugely unecesarry risk.

In the galactic core, Shepard had no choice but to face the Collector Ship. If he could have avoided it, I'm sure he would have.

Imagine you're walking home from work one night, and you can either take the long way home, or take a short cut through a side alley, but in that side alley there is a group of 7-feet tall, heavily muscled men with knives. You have a gun, so you MIGHT have a chance...but isn't it smarter to just avoid the confrontation?

By that logic, going through the relay blind is the stupidest anyone could make since its just another unknown. So which is it? Is he aggressive and straight foward or conservative and cautious? The answer is: whatever the plot needs him to be at any given moment.

[111987]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...


By that logic, going through the relay blind is the stupidest anyone could make since its just another unknown. So which is it? Is he aggressive and straight foward or conservative and cautious? The answer is: whatever the plot needs him to be at any given moment.

I think you missed the point of what I was saying. I'm saying, on Horizon, he had a choice to face the Collector Ship or not. In the galactic core, he did not. If he did have a choice, and chose to attack the Collector ship, then that would be very foolish.

[Brenon Holmes]

Let's cut the insults shall we? Or we can be done here...

[Nashiktal]

didymos1120 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Hey guys: could you spend even more time exchanging petty, schoolyard insults, 'cause it's soooooo @#$%ing fascinating to read.

Sure, always happy to entertain. Although to be fair, we are not trading actual insults.

Its a tabletop gaming thing. We can't not do it,

Actually, you weren't included in that. 

My mistake then, carry on.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Phaelducan wrote...
Your typos have nothing to do with why I think you are a douche. They have a lot to do with why I think you aren't very smart. Smart people can see when they are doing something obviously incorrect. You clearly can't, as they are rampant in your posts, coinciding with repeated logical fallacies and reading comprehension issues.

If they can be easily fixed, fix them. 

As to complaining about insults over the forum, didymos? Look, I'm as irritated by this as you are, but truth is I have a hard time not getting into it with arrogant jerks who use their opinions as fact and deride others for doing the exact thing they are doing. Lotion yells at everyone who disagrees, makes stupid arguments based on extrapolated non-facts, and boils every response down to "nuh uh, you are!"

I wish I was better at ignoring dummies, but I'm not. I see stupidity and more often then not have to say something. Lotion is the worst example of what BSN has become... and this used to be a cool place to post. He's condescending, arrogant, and blind. classic narcissism, which unfortunately shrinks think is the one thing they can't work on. 

Does it matter that I think/wrote that? Nope, he won't give a rip, and most other folks won't either. Hence the folly of arguing over the internet. There really never is a point to it.

I love it how your image of me is completely wrong..and actualyl would reflect you far better.

You say you can't  help ignoring dummies? Well, two can make that claim.
If I'm an example of everything that's "wrong" about BSN in your eyes, then I'm happy you consider me as such. I'll take that kind of wong over your "right" any time. Mayhaps you should take a good, long look in the mirror?

Now, if your done with you parade of petty insults, maybe you'd like to contribue actual arguments...however, since I've yet to swee you field even ONE, I sincerly doubt that will come to pas..

[Lotion Soronarr]

111987 wrote...

1. Crippling is always possible.
2.Unsupported speculation. There is nothing to support that stronger shields theory.
3. We do now know how it detected the Normandy (a spy? a traitor? a locator beacon?)
4. Even if the Collector ship was able to detect the Normandy, so what? Can it take off in time? Even if it can, can it take it out? Can it detect it if it's skimming the surface?

The problem is Cerberus doesn't have much more to give Shepard; TIM doesn't have a fleet or an army (in ME2, anyways). I mean they only have about 150 operatives at the time of ME2. If the Alliance or the Council actually supported Shepard, and Shepard still went in alone, it would definitely be stupid.

Which is why Shep should have gone to the Council/Alliance with all the information he gathered so far.
Or should have not gone in at all.

1. Crippling isn't possible if you don't know if you can penetrate the shields or not.
2. True, it's just speculation. But so are your next two points.
3. Occam's Razor suggests that the Collector Ship is able to track the Normandy; the Occuli being able to sense the Normandy also adds to that theory.
4. You're just speculating here too. The Collector Ship actually was able to take off in time to escape the powerful GARDIAN turrets firing at it.

1. No shield is impenetrable. If it has engines, it can be crippled. And crippling certanly was possible when the Collector ship was drifting powered down.

3. Occams razor suggest nothing of the sort. Normandy passed right by the Occuli - at that close range stelath is of no use.

4. The Collector ship took off, and very slowly. GUARDIAN turrets aren't "powefull" - they're designed for anti-fighter role, not taking out capital ships. And it still caused the Collectors to flee.
Prime time to go after it with the Normandy.

Ultimately it comes down to this; on Horizon, Shepard was facing a complete unknown in the Collector Ship; he had no reason to believe the Normandy could penetrate its shields, or that the Collector ship couldn't fire while landed. It's a hugely unecesarry risk.

In the galactic core, Shepard had no choice but to face the Collector Ship. If he could have avoided it, I'm sure he would have.

Shep has a choice to go into the core or not, jsut as he has a chocie to attack the Collector ship or not. Tehre is no excuse here.

Imagine you're walking home from work one night, and you can either take the long way home, or take a short cut through a side alley, but in that side alley there is a group of 7-feet tall, heavily muscled men with knives. You have a gun, so you MIGHT have a chance...but isn't it smarter to just avoid the confrontation?

Indeed. So why not avoid confrontation behind the Omega4?
What was so pressing that Shep HAD to go there (beside the crew)? Why not scout out before going in?