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Killjoy Cutter wrote...
On the other hand, the entire "unblockable real-time remote control across the vast distances of space" thing seen in ME2 is goofy to begin with...
I'm sorry....I see the spelling is not in error and the word is the right meaning, so I don't see was so wrong about what I said. His consciousness was in Sarans body one it was revived. The first thing it says is"I am soverign, and this is station is mine."http://www.youtube.c...detailpage#t=523sKilljoy Cutter wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
You forget that the billions in one setient ship was directly controling that single being...Like a person controls their body. In short, you were shooting Soverigns consciousness that was in Seran's reaperfied body.Arkitekt wrote...
It fails to make sense because it is stupid to have a million-beings-civilization-in-one sentient ship destroyed because one single remote controlled being is now dead. It's beyond stupid. The only possible explanation is that it was a gameplay mechanic: You have to defeat Saren huskified in order to see Soverreign destroyed by the fleet. It was then "explained" that this avatar link actually caused this disruption.
It's beyond stupid, it's as if you'd be killed every time a hacked mech (by you as an engineer) was destroyed. And arguably, the reapers are better hackers.
"His consciousness".
LoL.
dreman9999 wrote...
You forget that the billions in one setient ship was directly controling that single being...Like a person controls their body. In short, you were shooting Soverigns consciousness that was in Seran's reaperfied body.Arkitekt wrote...
It fails to make sense because it is stupid to have a million-beings-civilization-in-one sentient ship destroyed because one single remote controlled being is now dead. It's beyond stupid. The only possible explanation is that it was a gameplay mechanic: You have to defeat Saren huskified in order to see Soverreign destroyed by the fleet. It was then "explained" that this avatar link actually caused this disruption.
It's beyond stupid, it's as if you'd be killed every time a hacked mech (by you as an engineer) was destroyed. And arguably, the reapers are better hackers.
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
onelifecrisis wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Tali takes cover instead of getting ripped to pieces by a YMIR the way the rest of the Quarians did when caught in close combat with the thing. Don't try to paint this like she's running from a LOKI...
We're told that Liara went through hell to get Shep's body back, lost a friend doing it, and is engaged in a shadow war against the Shadow Broker... and you're surprised that she's changed?
The VS becoming a plot-idiot in ME2 is an issue I won't argue, as I agree with those who say the VS was terribly borked by Bioware in ME2.
The Council sends Shep to hunt for Geth in the Terminus Systems, the opening makes that clear. If I recall correctly, it's been a matter of weeks since the Battle of the Citadel, and you're making a federal case out of the Normandy and Shep being on what's supposed to be a "cake" assignment for a bit after what they went through in ME1? LoL.
"Swaggering, slouching d-bag"? LoL, whatever.
Re: Tali.
She could/would have taken cover and helped Shepard fight it, if it's so dangerous. And besides, in Jack's introductory cutscene she takes on four of them single-handed. Tali is a tech; she's supposed to be better at dealing with mechs than biotics. You can't have it both ways.
Re: Liara
Change is one thing, u-turn is another. Every aspect of her character does a complete 180.
"The world of intrigue isn't that much different from a dig site."
Riiiight. I'm sure that shut-in academic nerds who would rather read books than socialise would make great information brokers.
Re: Geth
And how is hunting geth supposed to stop the reapers?
Can you name an instance where anyone not on the immediate in-play team helps Shep fight outside of cutscenes? I don't recall any. That's not a Tali issue, that's an overall game issue, even if you only noticed it with Tali.
Liara had to learn those skills in the period between games, big deal, people can change, grow, and learn. Sorry Liara isn't static enough for you.
The Council sent Shepard and the Normandy to go track down Geth in the Terminus Systems. Spectres take orders from the Council. What is so hard to grasp about Shepard going out to do what the Council ordered Shepard to go out and do?
dreman9999 wrote...
I'm sorry....I see the spelling is not in error and the word is the right meaning, so I don't see was so wrong about what I said. His consciousness was in Sarans body one it was revived. The first thing it says is"I am soverign, and this is station is mine."http://www.youtube.c...detailpage#t=523sKilljoy Cutter wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
You forget that the billions in one setient ship was directly controling that single being...Like a person controls their body. In short, you were shooting Soverigns consciousness that was in Seran's reaperfied body.Arkitekt wrote...
It fails to make sense because it is stupid to have a million-beings-civilization-in-one sentient ship destroyed because one single remote controlled being is now dead. It's beyond stupid. The only possible explanation is that it was a gameplay mechanic: You have to defeat Saren huskified in order to see Soverreign destroyed by the fleet. It was then "explained" that this avatar link actually caused this disruption.
It's beyond stupid, it's as if you'd be killed every time a hacked mech (by you as an engineer) was destroyed. And arguably, the reapers are better hackers.
"His consciousness".
LoL.
So ...how am I incorrect?
Arkitekt wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
You forget that the billions in one setient ship was directly controling that single being...Like a person controls their body. In short, you were shooting Soverigns consciousness that was in Seran's reaperfied body.Arkitekt wrote...
It fails to make sense because it is stupid to have a million-beings-civilization-in-one sentient ship destroyed because one single remote controlled being is now dead. It's beyond stupid. The only possible explanation is that it was a gameplay mechanic: You have to defeat Saren huskified in order to see Soverreign destroyed by the fleet. It was then "explained" that this avatar link actually caused this disruption.
It's beyond stupid, it's as if you'd be killed every time a hacked mech (by you as an engineer) was destroyed. And arguably, the reapers are better hackers.
I'm not forgetting.
PAY ATTENTION.
I'm saying it is STUPID. If you get killed inside a Unreal Tournament game, are you also killed in RL?
And how come Soverreign is incapable of doing what the Collector General seems to do thousands of times, i.e., have his own conscience dictate what his minions do without suffering from their deaths? It seems barbaricly stupid to have a single CG being able to do what a reaper is incapable of doing by himself.
Of course, you can say that there's some kind of technological defense in that case. What a stupid retcon, and they only got this idea after Soverreign died? Did this multi-billion-being machine just gamed his ****ing life by playing with Shepard in a "non-secured" way?
Of course not, it's all silly. Soverreign was desperate and huskified Saren and fought Shepard. If there was no consequence to this effect, the game would have been ruined. So right after Saren was destroyed, magic happened and Soverreign felt weak. Perhaps depressed at his failure, who knows?
onelifecrisis wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
onelifecrisis wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Tali takes cover instead of getting ripped to pieces by a YMIR the way the rest of the Quarians did when caught in close combat with the thing. Don't try to paint this like she's running from a LOKI...
We're told that Liara went through hell to get Shep's body back, lost a friend doing it, and is engaged in a shadow war against the Shadow Broker... and you're surprised that she's changed?
The VS becoming a plot-idiot in ME2 is an issue I won't argue, as I agree with those who say the VS was terribly borked by Bioware in ME2.
The Council sends Shep to hunt for Geth in the Terminus Systems, the opening makes that clear. If I recall correctly, it's been a matter of weeks since the Battle of the Citadel, and you're making a federal case out of the Normandy and Shep being on what's supposed to be a "cake" assignment for a bit after what they went through in ME1? LoL.
"Swaggering, slouching d-bag"? LoL, whatever.
Re: Tali.
She could/would have taken cover and helped Shepard fight it, if it's so dangerous. And besides, in Jack's introductory cutscene she takes on four of them single-handed. Tali is a tech; she's supposed to be better at dealing with mechs than biotics. You can't have it both ways.
Re: Liara
Change is one thing, u-turn is another. Every aspect of her character does a complete 180.
"The world of intrigue isn't that much different from a dig site."
Riiiight. I'm sure that shut-in academic nerds who would rather read books than socialise would make great information brokers.
Re: Geth
And how is hunting geth supposed to stop the reapers?
Can you name an instance where anyone not on the immediate in-play team helps Shep fight outside of cutscenes? I don't recall any. That's not a Tali issue, that's an overall game issue, even if you only noticed it with Tali.
Liara had to learn those skills in the period between games, big deal, people can change, grow, and learn. Sorry Liara isn't static enough for you.
The Council sent Shepard and the Normandy to go track down Geth in the Terminus Systems. Spectres take orders from the Council. What is so hard to grasp about Shepard going out to do what the Council ordered Shepard to go out and do?
I really rub you up the wrong way, don't I? Sorry, it's not intentional.
Re: Tali.
I'm not getting your point. Why couldn't they just change the cutscene? There's any number of ways they could have handled it without Tali being made to look like a wuss.
Re: Liara not being static. You are (again) using the excluded middle fallacy. As I already said, change is one thing, u-turn is another.
Re: Shepard.
"The reapers are coming, and I'm going to find a way to stop them."
IMO, as statements go, that one doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation. The council are standing right there when he says it, and none of them object. Even if they had objected it wouldn't matter, as by the end of ME1 Shepard had demonstrated that he's quite willing to disobey orders to stop the reapers.
So, do you think Shepard was just full of hot air? Was he grandstanding, and the council letting it slide because they figured he'd calm down later and agree to do nothing about the impending reaper invasion?
kylecouch wrote...
It is kinda lame....the Collector General has the unique ability to posses other Collectors. Harbinger in turn simply posseses the General...and uses the General's abilities to posses the Drones. In this way when the drones are killed, no harm is done to Harbinger since HE is technically only possesing the General, who is not killed. IMO the excuse works and is pulled off, but it just makes the Reaper's seem kinda pathetic.
Modifié par Mesina2, 27 septembre 2011 - 04:46 .
kylecouch wrote...
It is kinda lame....the Collector General has the unique ability to posses other Collectors. Harbinger in turn simply posseses the General...and uses the General's abilities to posses the Drones. In this way when the drones are killed, no harm is done to Harbinger since HE is technically only possesing the General, who is not killed. IMO the excuse works and is pulled off, but it just makes the Reaper's seem kinda pathetic.
That not the collector general....That's Harbenger. Harbenger has the advantage of not having his body be left in the open once the body he controls dies. Soverign was in a middle of a battle and was despreatly trying to take control of the station. The whole Saren control was a last effect to get to the controls to open dark space. The body was killed and Soverign was stunned, leaving him open for attack. It's clear that harbinger is not exposed like this being that he is far away from any battle in ME2.Arkitekt wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
You forget that the billions in one setient ship was directly controling that single being...Like a person controls their body. In short, you were shooting Soverigns consciousness that was in Seran's reaperfied body.Arkitekt wrote...
It fails to make sense because it is stupid to have a million-beings-civilization-in-one sentient ship destroyed because one single remote controlled being is now dead. It's beyond stupid. The only possible explanation is that it was a gameplay mechanic: You have to defeat Saren huskified in order to see Soverreign destroyed by the fleet. It was then "explained" that this avatar link actually caused this disruption.
It's beyond stupid, it's as if you'd be killed every time a hacked mech (by you as an engineer) was destroyed. And arguably, the reapers are better hackers.
I'm not forgetting.
PAY ATTENTION.
I'm saying it is STUPID. If you get killed inside a Unreal Tournament game, are you also killed in RL?
And how come Soverreign is incapable of doing what the Collector General seems to do thousands of times, i.e., have his own conscience dictate what his minions do without suffering from their deaths? It seems barbaricly stupid to have a single CG being able to do what a reaper is incapable of doing by himself.
Of course, you can say that there's some kind of technological defense in that case. What a stupid retcon, and they only got this idea after Soverreign died? Did this multi-billion-being machine just gamed his ****ing life by playing with Shepard in a "non-secured" way?
Of course not, it's all silly. Soverreign was desperate and huskified Saren and fought Shepard. If there was no consequence to this effect, the game would have been ruined. So right after Saren was destroyed, magic happened and Soverreign felt weak. Perhaps depressed at his failure, who knows?
Modifié par dreman9999, 27 septembre 2011 - 04:54 .
Arkitekt wrote...
I know this is the theory being spread around, but there is no evidence whatsoever of this hypothesis at all, except for the fact that Soverreign was defeated in an nonsensical way and there are people trying to consolidate that idea with the Collector General.
All in all, it all points out to a gameplay mechanic decision. Which should be forgotten and thrown to the dust bin of bad ideas. And most importantly, out of mass effect canon as fast as possible.
Modifié par Mesina2, 27 septembre 2011 - 04:50 .
Mesina2 wrote...
Arkitekt wrote...
I know this is the theory being spread around, but there is no evidence whatsoever of this hypothesis at all, except for the fact that Soverreign was defeated in an nonsensical way and there are people trying to consolidate that idea with the Collector General.
All in all, it all points out to a gameplay mechanic decision. Which should be forgotten and thrown to the dust bin of bad ideas. And most importantly, out of mass effect canon as fast as possible.
Actually, Mac Walters confirmed that Sovereign was defeated do to Shepard killing Saren husk avatar while Sovy controlled it.
Let me look for that Twitter post.
1. Not the same thing. It's a control like a person directly controls their own body. This means feeling, thought, senses.....At this point Soverign almost becomes Saren.Killjoy Cutter wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
I'm sorry....I see the spelling is not in error and the word is the right meaning, so I don't see was so wrong about what I said. His consciousness was in Sarans body one it was revived. The first thing it says is"I am soverign, and this is station is mine."http://www.youtube.c...detailpage#t=523sKilljoy Cutter wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
You forget that the billions in one setient ship was directly controling that single being...Like a person controls their body. In short, you were shooting Soverigns consciousness that was in Seran's reaperfied body.Arkitekt wrote...
It fails to make sense because it is stupid to have a million-beings-civilization-in-one sentient ship destroyed because one single remote controlled being is now dead. It's beyond stupid. The only possible explanation is that it was a gameplay mechanic: You have to defeat Saren huskified in order to see Soverreign destroyed by the fleet. It was then "explained" that this avatar link actually caused this disruption.
It's beyond stupid, it's as if you'd be killed every time a hacked mech (by you as an engineer) was destroyed. And arguably, the reapers are better hackers.
"His consciousness".
LoL.
So ...how am I incorrect?
1) If you're flying a UAV and someone shoots it down, do you pass out?
2) "Consciousness" in this case is just some mystical mumbo-jumbo that makes no damn sense. What he heck is a "consciouosness"?
111987 wrote...
Your analogy is horrible and completely invalid.
Harbinger's minions, the Collectors, have all been implanted with cybernetics that allows the Reapers to use them as puppets. You should talk to Mordin about the Collectors. And once again, if the Collector General was killed while Harbinger was controlling it, Harbinger would have temporarily 'shut-down' just like Sovereign.
There's no magic involved. It's very easy to understand.
onelifecrisis wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
onelifecrisis wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Tali takes cover instead of getting ripped to pieces by a YMIR the way the rest of the Quarians did when caught in close combat with the thing. Don't try to paint this like she's running from a LOKI...
We're told that Liara went through hell to get Shep's body back, lost a friend doing it, and is engaged in a shadow war against the Shadow Broker... and you're surprised that she's changed?
The VS becoming a plot-idiot in ME2 is an issue I won't argue, as I agree with those who say the VS was terribly borked by Bioware in ME2.
The Council sends Shep to hunt for Geth in the Terminus Systems, the opening makes that clear. If I recall correctly, it's been a matter of weeks since the Battle of the Citadel, and you're making a federal case out of the Normandy and Shep being on what's supposed to be a "cake" assignment for a bit after what they went through in ME1? LoL.
"Swaggering, slouching d-bag"? LoL, whatever.
Re: Tali.
She could/would have taken cover and helped Shepard fight it, if it's so dangerous. And besides, in Jack's introductory cutscene she takes on four of them single-handed. Tali is a tech; she's supposed to be better at dealing with mechs than biotics. You can't have it both ways.
Re: Liara
Change is one thing, u-turn is another. Every aspect of her character does a complete 180.
"The world of intrigue isn't that much different from a dig site."
Riiiight. I'm sure that shut-in academic nerds who would rather read books than socialise would make great information brokers.
Re: Geth
And how is hunting geth supposed to stop the reapers?
Can you name an instance where anyone not on the immediate in-play team helps Shep fight outside of cutscenes? I don't recall any. That's not a Tali issue, that's an overall game issue, even if you only noticed it with Tali.
Liara had to learn those skills in the period between games, big deal, people can change, grow, and learn. Sorry Liara isn't static enough for you.
The Council sent Shepard and the Normandy to go track down Geth in the Terminus Systems. Spectres take orders from the Council. What is so hard to grasp about Shepard going out to do what the Council ordered Shepard to go out and do?
I really rub you up the wrong way, don't I? Sorry, it's not intentional.
Re: Tali.
I'm not getting your point. Why couldn't they just change the cutscene? There's any number of ways they could have handled it without Tali being made to look like a wuss.
Re: Liara not being static. You are (again) using the excluded middle fallacy. As I already said, change is one thing, u-turn is another.
Re: Shepard.
"The reapers are coming, and I'm going to find a way to stop them."
IMO, as statements go, that one doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation. The council are standing right there when he says it, and none of them object. Even if they had objected it wouldn't matter, as by the end of ME1 Shepard had demonstrated that he's quite willing to disobey orders to stop the reapers.
So, do you think Shepard was just full of hot air? Was he grandstanding, and the council letting it slide because they figured he'd calm down later and agree to do nothing about the impending reaper invasion?
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
onelifecrisis wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
onelifecrisis wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Tali takes cover instead of getting ripped to pieces by a YMIR the way the rest of the Quarians did when caught in close combat with the thing. Don't try to paint this like she's running from a LOKI...
We're told that Liara went through hell to get Shep's body back, lost a friend doing it, and is engaged in a shadow war against the Shadow Broker... and you're surprised that she's changed?
The VS becoming a plot-idiot in ME2 is an issue I won't argue, as I agree with those who say the VS was terribly borked by Bioware in ME2.
The Council sends Shep to hunt for Geth in the Terminus Systems, the opening makes that clear. If I recall correctly, it's been a matter of weeks since the Battle of the Citadel, and you're making a federal case out of the Normandy and Shep being on what's supposed to be a "cake" assignment for a bit after what they went through in ME1? LoL.
"Swaggering, slouching d-bag"? LoL, whatever.
Re: Tali.
She could/would have taken cover and helped Shepard fight it, if it's so dangerous. And besides, in Jack's introductory cutscene she takes on four of them single-handed. Tali is a tech; she's supposed to be better at dealing with mechs than biotics. You can't have it both ways.
Re: Liara
Change is one thing, u-turn is another. Every aspect of her character does a complete 180.
"The world of intrigue isn't that much different from a dig site."
Riiiight. I'm sure that shut-in academic nerds who would rather read books than socialise would make great information brokers.
Re: Geth
And how is hunting geth supposed to stop the reapers?
Can you name an instance where anyone not on the immediate in-play team helps Shep fight outside of cutscenes? I don't recall any. That's not a Tali issue, that's an overall game issue, even if you only noticed it with Tali.
Liara had to learn those skills in the period between games, big deal, people can change, grow, and learn. Sorry Liara isn't static enough for you.
The Council sent Shepard and the Normandy to go track down Geth in the Terminus Systems. Spectres take orders from the Council. What is so hard to grasp about Shepard going out to do what the Council ordered Shepard to go out and do?
I really rub you up the wrong way, don't I? Sorry, it's not intentional.
Re: Tali.
I'm not getting your point. Why couldn't they just change the cutscene? There's any number of ways they could have handled it without Tali being made to look like a wuss.
Re: Liara not being static. You are (again) using the excluded middle fallacy. As I already said, change is one thing, u-turn is another.
Re: Shepard.
"The reapers are coming, and I'm going to find a way to stop them."
IMO, as statements go, that one doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation. The council are standing right there when he says it, and none of them object. Even if they had objected it wouldn't matter, as by the end of ME1 Shepard had demonstrated that he's quite willing to disobey orders to stop the reapers.
So, do you think Shepard was just full of hot air? Was he grandstanding, and the council letting it slide because they figured he'd calm down later and agree to do nothing about the impending reaper invasion?
Tali: but they don't do that with anyone. It's not a Tali issue, it's a "no one ever helps the protagonist" deal, a common flaw in game design.
Liara: and I don't see it as a 180 or U-turn -- Liara starts killing with abandon once she gets going, and if she's with you on missions she's as effective and terrifying as an Adept Shepard is in ME1.
Fighting Geth: somehow, I don't see hunting down Sovereign's lackies for a few weeks after the Battle of the Citadel as "ignoring the Reapers entirely".
I think you havn't met Liara from ME1.....kylecouch wrote...
onelifecrisis wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
onelifecrisis wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Tali takes cover instead of getting ripped to pieces by a YMIR the way the rest of the Quarians did when caught in close combat with the thing. Don't try to paint this like she's running from a LOKI...
We're told that Liara went through hell to get Shep's body back, lost a friend doing it, and is engaged in a shadow war against the Shadow Broker... and you're surprised that she's changed?
The VS becoming a plot-idiot in ME2 is an issue I won't argue, as I agree with those who say the VS was terribly borked by Bioware in ME2.
The Council sends Shep to hunt for Geth in the Terminus Systems, the opening makes that clear. If I recall correctly, it's been a matter of weeks since the Battle of the Citadel, and you're making a federal case out of the Normandy and Shep being on what's supposed to be a "cake" assignment for a bit after what they went through in ME1? LoL.
"Swaggering, slouching d-bag"? LoL, whatever.
Re: Tali.
She could/would have taken cover and helped Shepard fight it, if it's so dangerous. And besides, in Jack's introductory cutscene she takes on four of them single-handed. Tali is a tech; she's supposed to be better at dealing with mechs than biotics. You can't have it both ways.
Re: Liara
Change is one thing, u-turn is another. Every aspect of her character does a complete 180.
"The world of intrigue isn't that much different from a dig site."
Riiiight. I'm sure that shut-in academic nerds who would rather read books than socialise would make great information brokers.
Re: Geth
And how is hunting geth supposed to stop the reapers?
Can you name an instance where anyone not on the immediate in-play team helps Shep fight outside of cutscenes? I don't recall any. That's not a Tali issue, that's an overall game issue, even if you only noticed it with Tali.
Liara had to learn those skills in the period between games, big deal, people can change, grow, and learn. Sorry Liara isn't static enough for you.
The Council sent Shepard and the Normandy to go track down Geth in the Terminus Systems. Spectres take orders from the Council. What is so hard to grasp about Shepard going out to do what the Council ordered Shepard to go out and do?
I really rub you up the wrong way, don't I? Sorry, it's not intentional.
Re: Tali.
I'm not getting your point. Why couldn't they just change the cutscene? There's any number of ways they could have handled it without Tali being made to look like a wuss.
Re: Liara not being static. You are (again) using the excluded middle fallacy. As I already said, change is one thing, u-turn is another.
Re: Shepard.
"The reapers are coming, and I'm going to find a way to stop them."
IMO, as statements go, that one doesn't leave a lot of room for interpretation. The council are standing right there when he says it, and none of them object. Even if they had objected it wouldn't matter, as by the end of ME1 Shepard had demonstrated that he's quite willing to disobey orders to stop the reapers.
So, do you think Shepard was just full of hot air? Was he grandstanding, and the council letting it slide because they figured he'd calm down later and agree to do nothing about the impending reaper invasion?
To be fair...Tali is tending to the wounded that ISN'T killed by the mech. and considering the damage done, probably required her full attention.
And Liara...sorry man...an innocent virginy type person does not remain that way after goign through the crap she goes through in Redemption. Some people do indeed change in personality...its not really such a foreign concept.
As for stoping the Reapers...the Geth was the only physical aspect left of the Reaper threat known...what else is he suppose to do...wander the universe aimlessly hoping to come across some random object? thats simply wasteing time when theirs a real and physical enemy that endangers innocents.
DCarter wrote...
111987 wrote...
Your analogy is horrible and completely invalid.
Harbinger's minions, the Collectors, have all been implanted with cybernetics that allows the Reapers to use them as puppets. You should talk to Mordin about the Collectors. And once again, if the Collector General was killed while Harbinger was controlling it, Harbinger would have temporarily 'shut-down' just like Sovereign.
There's no magic involved. It's very easy to understand.
Having a reaper shut down everytime it's avatar is destroyed is incredibly lame. What's the point in being a nearly unstoppable 2km spaceship if you become a sitting duck everytime one possessed corps gets taken out. There's no logical reason for such an effect and i can't even think of an attempt to create a techno babble excuse for the reapers creating such a glaring weakness in their own defenses. It's just bad writing to me.
111987 wrote...
Your analogy is horrible and completely invalid.
Harbinger's minions, the Collectors, have all been implanted with cybernetics that allows the Reapers to use them as puppets.
You should talk to Mordin about the Collectors. And once again, if the Collector General was killed while Harbinger was controlling it, Harbinger would have temporarily 'shut-down' just like Sovereign.
There's no magic involved. It's very easy to understand.
Modifié par Arkitekt, 27 septembre 2011 - 05:00 .
DCarter wrote...
Having a reaper shut down everytime it's avatar is destroyed is incredibly lame. What's the point in being a nearly unstoppable 2km spaceship if you become a sitting duck everytime one possessed corps gets taken out. There's no logical reason for such an effect and i can't even think of an attempt to create a techno babble excuse for the reapers creating such a glaring weakness in their own defenses. It's just bad writing to me.
Arkitekt wrote...
111987 wrote...
Your analogy is horrible and completely invalid.
Let's see how so.Harbinger's minions, the Collectors, have all been implanted with cybernetics that allows the Reapers to use them as puppets.
.... and so was Saren.You should talk to Mordin about the Collectors. And once again, if the Collector General was killed while Harbinger was controlling it, Harbinger would have temporarily 'shut-down' just like Sovereign.
Very easy to make predictions that will never be tested, innit?There's no magic involved. It's very easy to understand.
Did I ever say otherwise? With all your patronization, you still fail to understand the "very easy to understand" point that it was a stupid plot moment, that in all probability was chosen as a gameplay mechanic, because otherwise it would have been massively stupid to implement as a "pure story" element. Probably rushed.
Someone With Mass wrote...
DCarter wrote...
Having a reaper shut down everytime it's avatar is destroyed is incredibly lame. What's the point in being a nearly unstoppable 2km spaceship if you become a sitting duck everytime one possessed corps gets taken out. There's no logical reason for such an effect and i can't even think of an attempt to create a techno babble excuse for the reapers creating such a glaring weakness in their own defenses. It's just bad writing to me.
Bad writing? Is that really everyone's excuse to everything they don't like these days?
Sovereign uploaded a part of/ its whole mind into the avatar (hence why it's called an avatar to begin with) in an act of desperation, since it had nothing left to lose, since it couldn't hold out against the fleet forever and then its mind was destroyed when the avatar died.
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