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[Killjoy Cutter]

onelifecrisis wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

I'll try one more time...

Which part of "alternative cutscene" did you not understand?

I just don't see the purpose of it.

onelifecrisis wrote...

Several people seem determined to miss the point of the alternative cutscene I presented, which was that there are alternatives that don't involve Tali wussing out of a fight that she's ideally suited for.

I'd have to quote myself less often if you'd bother to read the thread before clicking the spam post button.

Why does every character have to have spines of steel? her help is not needed...thus theres no need for her to do everything. Besides that AI hacking dont work when Shields are up...and going kamikaze like that is also meaningless since she would likely be broken in half...shes not exactly a Krogan you know...

You seem to have jumped into this discussion halfway. The point being debated was that characters from ME1 went through inexplicable changes before appearing in ME2. In short, Tali should have a spine of steel in ME2 because she had a spine of steel in ME1. If you don't like my alternative cutscene, that's fine, I can make up something else, like this:

Tali said she and her team would "circle around the far side to draw off some of the drones and clear [Shepard] a path". There's no mention of a door that needs opening. So have the door open, have Shepard meet the YMIR mech before Tali has even arrived ("circling around the far side" would presumably take longer than the direct route anyway) and then have Tali walk in on the conversation with Veetor at the end. In other words, you could just scrap that cutscene with Tali wussing out and the game would be better for its absence.

You could even have Shepard say to Tali "I wish you'd gotten here sooner, we had to deal with a YMIR Mech" in acknowledgement of Tali's supposed proficiency at dealing with tech opposition.

Perhaps the Quarians hadn't gone that far into the settlement, because of the drones and mechs, and thus Tali didn't know about the door until their got there. 

As for Tali fighting the YMIR, recall that sometime between ME1 and ME2, shields and armor somehow because a defence against hacking.  She can't do much to the YMIR until it's down to the red bar anyway. 

[TheRevanchist]

dreman9999 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

I'll try one more time...

Which part of "alternative cutscene" did you not understand?

I just don't see the purpose of it.

onelifecrisis wrote...

Several people seem determined to miss the point of the alternative cutscene I presented, which was that there are alternatives that don't involve Tali wussing out of a fight that she's ideally suited for.

I'd have to quote myself less often if you'd bother to read the thread before clicking the spam post button.

Why does every character have to have spines of steel? her help is not needed...thus theres no need for her to do everything. Besides that AI hacking dont work when Shields are up...and going kamikaze like that is also meaningless since she would likely be broken in half...shes not exactly a Krogan you know...

You seem to have jumped into this discussion halfway. The point being debated was that characters from ME1 went through inexplicable changes before appearing in ME2. In short, Tali should have a spine of steel in ME2 because she had a spine of steel in ME1. If you don't like my alternative cutscene, that's fine, I can make up something else, like this:

Tali said she and her team would "circle around the far side to draw off some of the drones and clear [Shepard] a path". There's no mention of a door that needs opening. So have the door open, have Shepard meet the YMIR mech before Tali has even arrived ("circling around the far side" would presumably take longer than the direct route anyway) and then have Tali walk in on the conversation with Veetor at the end. In other words, you could just scrap that cutscene with Tali wussing out and the game would be better for its absence.

Oh, right sure. She took on whole groups of enemies on her own in ME1.  All we saw in ME1 is when she is cornered she fights. Outside of that she is on support. In that scene in ME2, she was not cornered and she when out of the way to help the injured people of her team. Having her attack would not help anyone, and her focusing on the injured memebers of her team is a better use of her time.

Exactly...she is not a fighter, shes a mechanic and a tec junky. a mouse would fight a cat when cornerned...that does not mean the mouse has a spine of steel. Tali is not a gung ho lets kick some ass type of person...shes not exactly a coward but she does not the same type of tenacity of a warrior. her making her seem like a wuss is not really a huge leap of faith for her character...besides like I said before...she is tending to the wounded inside...thats time better spent since she has no reason to dely the mech.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
1)  If you're flying a UAV and someone shoots it down, do you pass out?
2)  "Consciousness" in this case is just some mystical mumbo-jumbo that makes no damn sense.  What he heck is a "consciouosness"? 

1. Not the same thing.  It's a control like a person directly controls their own body. This means feeling, thought, senses.....At this point Soverign almost becomes Saren.
2. I'm sorry. You don't understand what a conscionsness is....the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes ..
In point, I'm referring to the reapers Ego. Every intelligent being has an ego. I hope thing makesit clear.

Ego, shmeego, spare us the Freudian bunk.   You're using "consciousness" to put a pseudoscientific spin on what amounts to a "soul" or "spirit". 

1. I, for one, see ego and Spirit as to different things.
2.These thing do exsist.(Ego, consciousness, I mean.) You use it all the thing. It's basicly just your self.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

1)  If you're flying a UAV and someone shoots it down, do you pass out?
2)  "Consciousness" in this case is just some mystical mumbo-jumbo that makes no damn sense.  What he heck is a "consciouosness"? 

1. Not the same thing.  It's a control like a person directly controls their own body. This means feeling, thought, senses.....At this point Soverign almost becomes Saren.
2. I'm sorry. You don't understand what a conscionsness is....the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes ..
In point, I'm referring to the reapers Ego. Every intelligent being has an ego. I hope thing makesit clear.

Ego, shmeego, spare us the Freudian bunk.   You're using "consciousness" to put a pseudoscientific spin on what amounts to a "soul" or "spirit". 

1. I, for one, see ego and Spirit as to different things.
2.These thing do exsist.(Ego, consciousness, I mean.) You use it all the thing. It's basicly just your self.

So Sovereign put his "self" into Saren?  What the huh? 


(And yes, I am arguing both sides of this, because both sides are making poor arguments.)

[TheRevanchist]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
1)  If you're flying a UAV and someone shoots it down, do you pass out?
2)  "Consciousness" in this case is just some mystical mumbo-jumbo that makes no damn sense.  What he heck is a "consciouosness"? 

1. Not the same thing.  It's a control like a person directly controls their own body. This means feeling, thought, senses.....At this point Soverign almost becomes Saren.
2. I'm sorry. You don't understand what a conscionsness is....the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes ..
In point, I'm referring to the reapers Ego. Every intelligent being has an ego. I hope thing makesit clear.

Ego, shmeego, spare us the Freudian bunk.   You're using "consciousness" to put a pseudoscientific spin on what amounts to a "soul" or "spirit". 

1. I, for one, see ego and Spirit as to different things.
2.These thing do exsist.(Ego, consciousness, I mean.) You use it all the thing. It's basicly just your self.

consciousness is not the soul...it is higher brain function that is used and controled only when you are awake and aware. that is why when someone is unconscious they are not awake, they are disabled and unable to perform higher brain functions such as do mathmatics.

[onelifecrisis]

dreman9999 wrote...

Oh, right sure. She took on whole groups of enemies on her own in ME1.

Umm, yeah, actually, she did.

In that scene in ME2, she was not cornered...

After using a grenade to buy time to get to cover she wasn't cornered in ME1 either, but she still fought, or so the dialogue would have us believe.
Tali (to Shepard): "You saw what I can do. Take me with you."

All we saw in ME1 is when she is cornered in danger [my edit, see above] she fights.

Fight or flight; the responses to danger. In ME1 she does the former, in ME2 the latter.

Outside of that she is on support.

Uh, maybe in your game. Bit of a waste if you ask me, but it's your game.

[dreman9999]

kylecouch wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
1)  If you're flying a UAV and someone shoots it down, do you pass out?
2)  "Consciousness" in this case is just some mystical mumbo-jumbo that makes no damn sense.  What he heck is a "consciouosness"? 

1. Not the same thing.  It's a control like a person directly controls their own body. This means feeling, thought, senses.....At this point Soverign almost becomes Saren.
2. I'm sorry. You don't understand what a conscionsness is....the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes ..
In point, I'm referring to the reapers Ego. Every intelligent being has an ego. I hope thing makesit clear.

Ego, shmeego, spare us the Freudian bunk.   You're using "consciousness" to put a pseudoscientific spin on what amounts to a "soul" or "spirit". 

1. I, for one, see ego and Spirit as different things.
2.These thing do exsist.(Ego, consciousness, I mean.) You use it all the thing. It's basicly just your self.

consciousness is not the soul...it is higher brain function that is used and controled only when you are awake and aware. that is why when someone is unconscious they are not awake, they are disabled and unable to perform higher brain functions such as do mathmatics.

Didn't I just say that? I said at that the ego and spirit are to different things.

[TheRevanchist]

dreman9999 wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
1)  If you're flying a UAV and someone shoots it down, do you pass out?
2)  "Consciousness" in this case is just some mystical mumbo-jumbo that makes no damn sense.  What he heck is a "consciouosness"? 

1. Not the same thing.  It's a control like a person directly controls their own body. This means feeling, thought, senses.....At this point Soverign almost becomes Saren.
2. I'm sorry. You don't understand what a conscionsness is....the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes ..
In point, I'm referring to the reapers Ego. Every intelligent being has an ego. I hope thing makesit clear.

Ego, shmeego, spare us the Freudian bunk.   You're using "consciousness" to put a pseudoscientific spin on what amounts to a "soul" or "spirit". 

1. I, for one, see ego and Spirit as different things.
2.These thing do exsist.(Ego, consciousness, I mean.) You use it all the thing. It's basicly just your self.

consciousness is not the soul...it is higher brain function that is used and controled only when you are awake and aware. that is why when someone is unconscious they are not awake, they are disabled and unable to perform higher brain functions such as do mathmatics.

Didn't I just say that? I said at that the ego and spirit are to different things.

I know...I'm supporting you...I'm directing my comment towards Killjoy

[onelifecrisis]

Someone With Mass wrote...

And you're basing all that on the fact that every single synthetic being in ME1 was hackable, even if the game itself tells you that they are very resistant to external hacking.

Yes, funny that. At the start of ME2 I was basing my assessment of Tali's character on what she was like in ME1. Silly me.

And... well... weren't we fighting the YMIR mech in the first place because it had been hacked by a Quarian?

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 27 septembre 2011 - 06:25 .

[Someone With Mass]

onelifecrisis wrote...
Fight or flight; the responses to danger. In ME1 she does the former, in ME2 the latter.

The difference is that those thugs weren't a seven foot tall mech armed with a missile launcher and a heavy machine gun.

Also, take a good look around the room she's in on Haestrom. There are dead geth scattered all over the room and there's a shotgun right next to Tali.

[dreman9999]

onelifecrisis wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Oh, right sure. She took on whole groups of enemies on her own in ME1.

Umm, yeah, actually, she did.

In that scene in ME2, she was not cornered...

After using a grenade to buy time to get to cover she wasn't cornered in ME1 either, but she still fought, or so the dialogue would have us believe.
Tali (to Shepard): "You saw what I can do. Take me with you."

All we saw in ME1 is when she is cornered in danger [my edit, see above] she fights.

Fight or flight; the responses to danger. In ME1 she does the former, in ME2 the latter.

Outside of that she is on support.

Uh, maybe in your game. Bit of a waste if you ask me, but it's your game.

No, you did not. You saw her go to a trap and once she finds out it's a trap, she throw a grenade at 3 people... That not her fighting groups on her own. That just her fighting back. That a fight or flee resonse, not her jumping in gun ho into a fight. Also, She is a tach expet with no defence buffs or attack buffs....That's a support class. I don't think your going to send Tali face first in a group of pirates and mercs.

[dreman9999]

kylecouch wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
1)  If you're flying a UAV and someone shoots it down, do you pass out?
2)  "Consciousness" in this case is just some mystical mumbo-jumbo that makes no damn sense.  What he heck is a "consciouosness"? 

1. Not the same thing.  It's a control like a person directly controls their own body. This means feeling, thought, senses.....At this point Soverign almost becomes Saren.
2. I'm sorry. You don't understand what a conscionsness is....the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes ..
In point, I'm referring to the reapers Ego. Every intelligent being has an ego. I hope thing makesit clear.

Ego, shmeego, spare us the Freudian bunk.   You're using "consciousness" to put a pseudoscientific spin on what amounts to a "soul" or "spirit". 

1. I, for one, see ego and Spirit as different things.
2.These thing do exsist.(Ego, consciousness, I mean.) You use it all the thing. It's basicly just your self.

consciousness is not the soul...it is higher brain function that is used and controled only when you are awake and aware. that is why when someone is unconscious they are not awake, they are disabled and unable to perform higher brain functions such as do mathmatics.

Didn't I just say that? I said at that the ego and spirit are to different things.

I know...I'm supporting you...I'm directing my comment towards Killjoy

Ahaha..... You did what I did...Thanks.

[onelifecrisis]

dreman9999 wrote...

No, you did not. You saw her go to a trap and once she finds out it's a trap, she throw a grenade at 3 people... That not her fighting groups on her own. That just her fighting back. That a fight or flee resonse, not her jumping in gun ho into a fight. Also, She is a tach expet with no defence buffs or attack buffs....That's a support class. I don't think your going to send Tali face first in a group of pirates and mercs.

I was talking about gameplay. And why the hell would I send a tech expert against organics?

[Someone With Mass]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Yes, funny that. At the start of ME2 I was basing my assessment of Tali's character on what she was like in ME1. Silly me.

And... well... weren't we fighting the YMIR mech in the first place because it had been hacked by a Quarian?

There's a difference. Veetor reprogrammed them when they were inactive (if they were active before he arrived, then the Collectors would've dealt with them) so it's not a big deal there.

Oh no. Things change. Whatever can we do? Adapt and deal with it, perhaps?

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

1)  If you're flying a UAV and someone shoots it down, do you pass out?
2)  "Consciousness" in this case is just some mystical mumbo-jumbo that makes no damn sense.  What he heck is a "consciouosness"? 

1. Not the same thing.  It's a control like a person directly controls their own body. This means feeling, thought, senses.....At this point Soverign almost becomes Saren.
2. I'm sorry. You don't understand what a conscionsness is....the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes ..
In point, I'm referring to the reapers Ego. Every intelligent being has an ego. I hope thing makesit clear.

Ego, shmeego, spare us the Freudian bunk.   You're using "consciousness" to put a pseudoscientific spin on what amounts to a "soul" or "spirit". 

1. I, for one, see ego and Spirit as to different things.
2.These thing do exsist.(Ego, consciousness, I mean.) You use it all the thing. It's basicly just your self.

So Sovereign put his "self" into Saren?  What the huh? 


(And yes, I am arguing both sides of this, because both sides are making poor arguments.)

Yes, he did....Remember...he did state."I am Soverign, and this station is mine."
The reason why is because a remote controled Saran husk would be too stupid to be able to do what is need to be done.... Look at how the reapers control people. They ether turn them into mind less husk or keep the smart with strong loyalties to the reapers so they do what ever the reapers want them to do. When Saren dies, know one is left to activate the station, so Soverign take dirct control of Saren to do so.

[dreman9999]

onelifecrisis wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

No, you did not. You saw her go to a trap and once she finds out it's a trap, she throw a grenade at 3 people... That not her fighting groups on her own. That just her fighting back. That a fight or flee resonse, not her jumping in gun ho into a fight. Also, She is a tach expet with no defence buffs or attack buffs....That's a support class. I don't think your going to send Tali face first in a group of pirates and mercs.

I was talking about gameplay. And why the hell would I send a tech expert against organics?

I would not throw her face first into Geth any wa. Normally, they would set her down and have her drain shield and hack geth or mechs in Battle. She does not have the defence or atteck power to be in heavy fire in game. And what you do with the character in ingame combate is not the characters development.

[Killjoy Cutter]

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

1)  If you're flying a UAV and someone shoots it down, do you pass out?
2)  "Consciousness" in this case is just some mystical mumbo-jumbo that makes no damn sense.  What he heck is a "consciouosness"? 

1. Not the same thing.  It's a control like a person directly controls their own body. This means feeling, thought, senses.....At this point Soverign almost becomes Saren.
2. I'm sorry. You don't understand what a conscionsness is....the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes ..
In point, I'm referring to the reapers Ego. Every intelligent being has an ego. I hope thing makesit clear.

Ego, shmeego, spare us the Freudian bunk.   You're using "consciousness" to put a pseudoscientific spin on what amounts to a "soul" or "spirit". 

1. I, for one, see ego and Spirit as to different things.
2.These thing do exsist.(Ego, consciousness, I mean.) You use it all the thing. It's basicly just your self.

So Sovereign put his "self" into Saren?  What the huh? 


(And yes, I am arguing both sides of this, because both sides are making poor arguments.)

Yes, he did....Remember...he did state."I am Soverign, and this station is mine."
The reason why is because a remote controled Saran husk would be too stupid to be able to do what is need to be done.... Look at how the reapers control people. They ether turn them into mind less husk or keep the smart with strong loyalties to the reapers so they do what ever the reapers want them to do. When Saren dies, know one is left to activate the station, so Soverign take dirct control of Saren to do so.

OK, again, what is a "self", and how do you put it in someone or something else?  (No jokes, you nobs.)

[Killjoy Cutter]

kylecouch wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

1)  If you're flying a UAV and someone shoots it down, do you pass out?
2)  "Consciousness" in this case is just some mystical mumbo-jumbo that makes no damn sense.  What he heck is a "consciouosness"? 

1. Not the same thing.  It's a control like a person directly controls their own body. This means feeling, thought, senses.....At this point Soverign almost becomes Saren.
2. I'm sorry. You don't understand what a conscionsness is....the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes ..
In point, I'm referring to the reapers Ego. Every intelligent being has an ego. I hope thing makesit clear.

Ego, shmeego, spare us the Freudian bunk.   You're using "consciousness" to put a pseudoscientific spin on what amounts to a "soul" or "spirit". 

1. I, for one, see ego and Spirit as to different things.
2.These thing do exsist.(Ego, consciousness, I mean.) You use it all the thing. It's basicly just your self.

consciousness is not the soul...it is higher brain function that is used and controled only when you are awake and aware. that is why when someone is unconscious they are not awake, they are disabled and unable to perform higher brain functions such as do mathmatics.

So... Sovereign put his "higher brain function that is used and controlled only when he is awake and aware" into Saren's corpse? 

What the huh?

[onelifecrisis]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Oh no. Things change. Whatever can we do? Adapt and deal with it, perhaps?

You could apply that statement to just about anything that's bad about any sequel ever.

[TheRevanchist]

"The Collector General[/b] was a unique Collector who controlled the rest of the Collectors from the Collector Base." Statement from the ME Wiki...which Bioware themselves have stated...repeatedly...is where they normally go to refresh their memories on subjects due to it's vast amount of correct information. I mean for god sake some of the Dev's thought the Turian's created the Genophage during a press conference. When a fan corrected them they said they would go back to Edmonton and "lock themselves in the seceret chamber to debate that." I mean they DO have their own "Lore Guys" so they would know if the site is correct.

[TheRevanchist]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

1)  If you're flying a UAV and someone shoots it down, do you pass out?
2)  "Consciousness" in this case is just some mystical mumbo-jumbo that makes no damn sense.  What he heck is a "consciouosness"? 

1. Not the same thing.  It's a control like a person directly controls their own body. This means feeling, thought, senses.....At this point Soverign almost becomes Saren.
2. I'm sorry. You don't understand what a conscionsness is....the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes ..
In point, I'm referring to the reapers Ego. Every intelligent being has an ego. I hope thing makesit clear.

Ego, shmeego, spare us the Freudian bunk.   You're using "consciousness" to put a pseudoscientific spin on what amounts to a "soul" or "spirit". 

1. I, for one, see ego and Spirit as to different things.
2.These thing do exsist.(Ego, consciousness, I mean.) You use it all the thing. It's basicly just your self.

consciousness is not the soul...it is higher brain function that is used and controled only when you are awake and aware. that is why when someone is unconscious they are not awake, they are disabled and unable to perform higher brain functions such as do mathmatics.

So... Sovereign put his "higher brain function that is used and controlled only when he is awake and aware" into Saren's corpse? 

What the huh?

Yes...he did...that is how a CORPSE is able to once again move and speak, and fire wepons at hostile targets. A corpse's brain does not work anymore and therefor its higher functions cannot be influenced remotely. Only with direct manipulation useing its own higher functions can Soverign get the brain dead corpse to move. Really is this so hard to understand? 

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

1)  If you're flying a UAV and someone shoots it down, do you pass out?
2)  "Consciousness" in this case is just some mystical mumbo-jumbo that makes no damn sense.  What he heck is a "consciouosness"? 

1. Not the same thing.  It's a control like a person directly controls their own body. This means feeling, thought, senses.....At this point Soverign almost becomes Saren.
2. I'm sorry. You don't understand what a conscionsness is....the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes ..
In point, I'm referring to the reapers Ego. Every intelligent being has an ego. I hope thing makesit clear.

Ego, shmeego, spare us the Freudian bunk.   You're using "consciousness" to put a pseudoscientific spin on what amounts to a "soul" or "spirit". 

1. I, for one, see ego and Spirit as to different things.
2.These thing do exsist.(Ego, consciousness, I mean.) You use it all the thing. It's basicly just your self.

So Sovereign put his "self" into Saren?  What the huh? 


(And yes, I am arguing both sides of this, because both sides are making poor arguments.)

Yes, he did....Remember...he did state."I am Soverign, and this station is mine."
The reason why is because a remote controled Saran husk would be too stupid to be able to do what is need to be done.... Look at how the reapers control people. They ether turn them into mind less husk or keep the smart with strong loyalties to the reapers so they do what ever the reapers want them to do. When Saren dies, know one is left to activate the station, so Soverign take dirct control of Saren to do so.

OK, again, what is a "self", and how do you put it in someone or something else?  (No jokes, you nobs.)

Self is just you in general. Your memeories, your perspestive and active notions in one whole. It's not more that soverign put his entire self into Saren but the fact that  he just made Saren part of his body. As I stated before, the control is like someone controling their own body. He put his full focus on control Saren's body that it almost became his body.  Shepard destroying Saren's body was like someone being stabbed deeply, he felt the pain and went into shock or was stunned. Think of it more like your reaction when you deeply burn your hand.

[Someone With Mass]

onelifecrisis wrote...
You could apply that statement to just about anything that's bad about any sequel ever.

I'm sorry, but are you implying that Tali should've stayed a walking Codex and that AI Hacking should be just as overpowered against all the synthetic enemies we meet in ME2 as it was in ME1?

I wouldn't like that, because I like character developments both in combat and in person a lot more.

Not to mention that I don't like combat where I can spam the same crap over and over until I win with no change in tactics whatsoever.

[onelifecrisis]

Someone With Mass wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...
You could apply that statement to just about anything that's bad about any sequel ever.

I'm sorry, but are you implying that Tali should've stayed a walking Codex and that AI Hacking should be just as overpowered against all the synthetic enemies we meet in ME2 as it was in ME1?

I wouldn't like that, because I like character developments both in combat and in person a lot more.

Not to mention that I don't like combat where I can spam the same crap over and over until I win with no change in tactics whatsoever.

Excluded middle.

[Killjoy Cutter]

kylecouch wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

1)  If you're flying a UAV and someone shoots it down, do you pass out?
2)  "Consciousness" in this case is just some mystical mumbo-jumbo that makes no damn sense.  What he heck is a "consciouosness"? 

1. Not the same thing.  It's a control like a person directly controls their own body. This means feeling, thought, senses.....At this point Soverign almost becomes Saren.
2. I'm sorry. You don't understand what a conscionsness is....the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes ..
In point, I'm referring to the reapers Ego. Every intelligent being has an ego. I hope thing makesit clear.

Ego, shmeego, spare us the Freudian bunk.   You're using "consciousness" to put a pseudoscientific spin on what amounts to a "soul" or "spirit". 

1. I, for one, see ego and Spirit as to different things.
2.These thing do exsist.(Ego, consciousness, I mean.) You use it all the thing. It's basicly just your self.

consciousness is not the soul...it is higher brain function that is used and controled only when you are awake and aware. that is why when someone is unconscious they are not awake, they are disabled and unable to perform higher brain functions such as do mathmatics.

So... Sovereign put his "higher brain function that is used and controlled only when he is awake and aware" into Saren's corpse? 

What the huh?

Yes...he did...that is how a CORPSE is able to once again move and speak, and fire wepons at hostile targets. A corpse's brain does not work anymore and therefor its higher functions cannot be influenced remotely. Only with direct manipulation useing its own higher functions can Soverign get the brain dead corpse to move. Really is this so hard to understand? 

I get what you're saying.  It's just that what you're saying is a pseudoscientific smokescreen for Sovereign's "soul" possessing Saren.