onelifecrisis wrote...
1. I think it is inherently bad, but I doubt either of us have anything new to add to that debate. Everything you listed could have been accomplished by having Shepard MIA, presumed dead, when in fact he's in a coma being "augmented" (must get back to DXHR in a minute...) by Cerberus, or whoever.
2. Also, as a minor aside, I have a hard time accepting that the council "forgot" anything. It's highly implausible that the council would "forget" what was said. Indeed, they seem to remember just fine what Shepard's version of events was when they talk to him. Nor would anyone else. And the fact that Liara managed to piece together what happened to the Protheans all on her own shows that there is evidence enough even before Sovereign attacks the Citadel. Other scientists would start investigating Shepard's claims. The Council's version of events ignores the eye-witness accounts of what happened on Ilos (given by Shepards crew, who have no motive for coming up with such a ridiculous story) and does nothing to explain Saren's "true" motives for leading the attack. Note that the council argue that it was Saren who swayed the Geth - a machine race - with his charisma (machines being swayed by charisma? lolwut?) and that it was the Geth who built Sovereign, which means the council have dismissed indoctrination as BS and are assuming that Saren acted of his own free will.
3. As for Cerberus, they spent billions of credits resurrecting a guy who considered their operations so unethical that he was prepared to put his Saren-chase on hold just to wipe them out. And then Shepard agrees to work with them without even contacting anyone else first. You'd think he'd want outside verification of at least some of TIM's claims, and in particular, you'd think he'd want to see who else is doing something about the reapers, but no... he's happy to work with "terrorists" because TIM says the reapers are involved (and offers no evidence of that at all).
4. I agree that not everything about the direction they took Tali's character was bad, but that YMIR mech... Tali is a tech expert. In theory, she's supposed to be great at dealing with those sorts of enemies. Almost every other character gets an introductory cutscene showing how awesome they are; Tali gets one where she runs away.
Liara does do a u-turn (we apparently agree on that) but there's nothing that could happen that could explain such a turn. Traumatic events do change people IRL but they don't completely reverse themselves; some of the original personality is always preserved. As I said previously, if you're going to make a character into someone completely different then you might as well just introduce a new character instead. If there's literally no resemblance at all to the person they were before then it's not really character development, is it?
1. And it's exactly because the end result is the same, except for the raised eyebrows, that I'm willing to give it a pass. They definitly should have clarified why it's only possible for shepard though, like say TIM used some reaper or prothean technology. If that's being played as a plot twist for ME3, at least have Shepard ask about it and TIM evade him. My point was that the thing was flawed in execution. Under other circumstances I think it would have done fine.
2. They forgot how close they came to dying. The council is clearly a sedentary group who are in denial that the galaxy is facing destruction. That was made quite clear in ME1. Of course they were quite thankful and receptive to shep at the end of ME1 when Shepard had just saved their lives, but after shepard died and time went on, it's fair to say the wounds healed and after a merely cursory investigation (the Ilos VI shut down. Case closed!) they went back to their old ways. So much so that when Shepard reappears, they repeat the lies they told themselves to his face. The fact that he's now with cerberus probably increased their obstinancy. And if the council died the new one wont' even meet with you, so it's fair to say their just like the old council except you didn't save their lives.
It's hammered into us and Shepard constantly complains that the council has their heads buried in the sand, in both games. Their actions now fit their actions in previous events.
3. TIM probably assumed that Shep would be the kind to put the bigger picture ahead of old grudges. He's always right no matter which shepard, but I don't think having every shepard genuinely care about saving the galaxy is to much of a railroading demand for bioware to make. Besides as I said earlier, the timing means he has no real option but to go to Freedom's Progress (and reapers or no, the colony raids are definitly an issue) Afterwards he can accept the ship and the dossiers because he doesn't have a ship or a team, and almost right after that he can actually rush over to the council, after which it's made clear that like it or not, he'll be sticking with TIM. All the while the player can make it clear if they want that their milking Cerberus for all their worth and still havent' forgiven them.
As I'm constantly saying sure it could have been done a bit more smoothly, but that's not the point.
4. So it's one instance where gameplay and cutscenes don't entirely line up? Besides, you need to lower the shields before you can hack it.
Tali doesn't have that firepower. That she didn't join in once Shep got there is a very minor issue, especially since she had something else to do.
I think Liara was pretty jarring too, but people can completely change in strange situations. Joining the army, for instance. At any rate I recall Liara herself confesses that "this isn't the real me," and she looks genuinely embarrased when you catch her aping benezia. And even if that doesnt' satisfy you, there's LotSB.
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