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Killjoy Cutter wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Evil's just a matter of perspective.
Speaking of hipster attitudes...
100k wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Evil's just a matter of perspective.
Speaking of hipster attitudes...
>implying that what he said isn't true.:huh:
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
100k wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Evil's just a matter of perspective.
Speaking of hipster attitudes...
>implying that what he said isn't true.
Yeah.
Tired of this post-modernist / moral relativist BS about there being no right and no wrong, no good acts and no evil acts -- that it's all just perspective.
Someone With Mass wrote...
Take the hipster attitude somewhere else.
Someone With Mass wrote...
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad.
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littlezack wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Evil's just a matter of perspective.
Speaking of hipster attitudes...
What? It is. It's not like you can 'define' evil. Societies have standards and view certain things as evil, but that's from their perspective. I'm sure the Reapers don't consider themselves to be evil - as far as we're concerned, they are. They're trying to exterminate us, we want to stop that, there's no point in labeling them as evil or whatever.
littlezack wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
100k wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Evil's just a matter of perspective.
Speaking of hipster attitudes...
>implying that what he said isn't true.
Yeah.
Tired of this post-modernist / moral relativist BS about there being no right and no wrong, no good acts and no evil acts -- that it's all just perspective.
I apologize for not seeing the world in black and white.
As much as I many not like being grinded up into a pulp, They may be right. In nature, life is all about grouping to gether and becoming one organisum or like one organism.. Forest has herbivores to grind leaves down to minerals to help planet's grow. Carnivors get herbivoresto control their amount. The whole point is that their is a balancing game in nature and a drive for species to be a unit one way or another, like how permordial cells form to be one organisum over time. The reapers could be seeing it that way and just pushing evolution to a point that a race is just one super evolved organism.Killjoy Cutter wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Here's the thing. We don't know why they are doing it but based on Harbingers comments, it's clear they think they are trying to help us.Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
At least the Reapers have a legit reason to harvest people beyond being evil douchebags.
Harvesting people makes them evil d-bags.
How nice for them.
Still evil.
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
100k wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Evil's just a matter of perspective.
Speaking of hipster attitudes...
>implying that what he said isn't true.
Yeah.
Tired of this post-modernist / moral relativist BS about there being no right and no wrong, no good acts and no evil acts -- that it's all just perspective.
I apologize for not seeing the world in black and white.
Ironic, when you're the one who only has room for "all morality is absolute" and "there is no morality".
Exterminate? Last time I checked they wanted to give our race the honer of becoming a reaper.littlezack wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Evil's just a matter of perspective.
Speaking of hipster attitudes...
What? It is. It's not like you can 'define' evil. Societies have standards and view certain things as evil, but that's from their perspective. I'm sure the Reapers don't consider themselves to be evil - as far as we're concerned, they are. They're trying to exterminate us, we want to stop that, there's no point in labeling them as evil or whatever.
Fixers0 wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
At least the Reapers have a legit reason to harvest people beyond being evil douchebags.
They still are evil douchebags except they, are now supposedly made out of organic sludge, which makes them even more cartoonish and laughable, like we didn't have enough of that, but of course this all due to the writers not being able to write proper antagonists because mainstream gamers otherwise would't understand.
That's the thing. ME as a seris streases moral perspective. That's one of it's main themes.littlezack wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
100k wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Evil's just a matter of perspective.
Speaking of hipster attitudes...
>implying that what he said isn't true.
Yeah.
Tired of this post-modernist / moral relativist BS about there being no right and no wrong, no good acts and no evil acts -- that it's all just perspective.
I apologize for not seeing the world in black and white.
Ironic, when you're the one who only has room for "all morality is absolute" and "there is no morality".
Whatever. I'm not getting into an argument about moral perspectives on a ****ing videogame forum.
dreman9999 wrote...
So in ME1, it told in detail how they were made and in ME2 they stopped being AI? yOU DID TALK TOLEGION MUCH.
Also, yes humanity would get powerful from that...Why? because you have to deal with the Alliance to deal with Shepard. And they will all deffer to Shepard, the one they called made for stating thereaper where real. Why? Because he was the one that started saying the reapers where coming and killed one. Also, with humanity it's not about another human rising to be an icon, it about rising on time. Someone from another race could do that with better chances than an unknown human. Nothings come up that would make someone as famous as Shepard. How can anything topor equal to staving the citadel. And the media campain would work on the other alians home world? That would just rally human, not all the races. Making statement like that make you look illogical.
dreman9999 wrote...
Exterminate? Last time I checked they wanted to give our race the honer of becoming a reaper.littlezack wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Evil's just a matter of perspective.
Speaking of hipster attitudes...
What? It is. It's not like you can 'define' evil. Societies have standards and view certain things as evil, but that's from their perspective. I'm sure the Reapers don't consider themselves to be evil - as far as we're concerned, they are. They're trying to exterminate us, we want to stop that, there's no point in labeling them as evil or whatever.
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Yeah.
Tired of this post-modernist / moral relativist BS about there being no right and no wrong, no good acts and no evil acts -- that it's all just perspective.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
111987 wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The reapers turned into ogranic-goo monstrosities is horrible. There was NOTHING even hinting it in ME1. Heck, sovereign talked about their perfectio, and orgnicas as a weakenss, and error. Short-lived. (if there's organic goo inside a reaper, then that goo should be short-lived too, given how frail organic/celular reations are)
The change goes agaisnt everything he said. It's as bad as Cryisis 2 where you suddenly go from ice-aliens that started an invasion, to rediclous body-horror-goo aliens that are kept covered up. What is it with EA and their love for human goo???
And yeah..Sheps death and ressurection makes NO sense whatsoever either. Ther'es no logical reason why TIM would want him back.
DNA can be stored indefinitely, in the proper conditions.The Reapers physical shell isn't constructed from organic material; you're right, that would be silly because that would break down. Their shell is entirely mechanical. I'm sure in ME3 we'll get a better sense of how exactly Reapers are constructed.
Theri shells are mechanical, but the cores are pumped full with organic goo. That goo will degrade/break down.
Of course, EVERYTHING breaks down eventually (even steel and various alloys have a half-life and durabiltiy thats' not at al limpressive), the 37 million year old reaper should have crumbled apart (unless something was mantaining it).
Million year old tech that still works without constant mantainance and repairs is magic.And I don't know if it wasn't logical to bring Shepard back...could anyone else have accomplished all that he has if someone took his place? Nor would that person have had a direct relation with the Council (via Anderson, regardless of the makeup of the council or who the human councillor is), a direct relation with the Rachni (if you saved the Rachni), the most powerful Krogan clan, the daughter of a Quarian admiral, and a close relationship with the Alliance (Anderson/Hackett).
Shepard is unique not only in ability, but also in the relationships he's formed. Relationships that will end up being key in defeating the Reapers.
BAh. Sheppard is just one man. Anyone can be replaced. Even symbols. Symbols get created.
What's Sheppard unique super-abiltiy that one one else has?
What relation does he have that one one else could also forge (or already has). If you want a symbol, every ME1 team mate is just as much a symbol as Sheppard is.
Tell me what Sheppard did in ME2 that no one else could have done? Name one thing that makes him so special that it makes sense to spend billions of $$$ and years on a redicolous project?
dreman9999 wrote...
That's the thing. ME as a seris streases moral perspective. That's one of it's main themes.littlezack wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
100k wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Evil's just a matter of perspective.
Speaking of hipster attitudes...
>implying that what he said isn't true.
Yeah.
Tired of this post-modernist / moral relativist BS about there being no right and no wrong, no good acts and no evil acts -- that it's all just perspective.
I apologize for not seeing the world in black and white.
Ironic, when you're the one who only has room for "all morality is absolute" and "there is no morality".
Whatever. I'm not getting into an argument about moral perspectives on a ****ing videogame forum.
Nothing special out side the fact that he/she killed a reaper and is the face of humanity? Right.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
So in ME1, it told in detail how they were made and in ME2 they stopped being AI? yOU DID TALK TOLEGION MUCH.
Also, yes humanity would get powerful from that...Why? because you have to deal with the Alliance to deal with Shepard. And they will all deffer to Shepard, the one they called made for stating thereaper where real. Why? Because he was the one that started saying the reapers where coming and killed one. Also, with humanity it's not about another human rising to be an icon, it about rising on time. Someone from another race could do that with better chances than an unknown human. Nothings come up that would make someone as famous as Shepard. How can anything topor equal to staving the citadel. And the media campain would work on the other alians home world? That would just rally human, not all the races. Making statement like that make you look illogical.
No, its a redicolous premise from the get go. Not only is the lazarus project stupid in itself, but startign it specificly for Sheppard is even more stupid.
There's nothing special about Sheppard other than the Prother Cipher. NOTHING.
The icon BS is just BS. Icons are made an icons come and go. Shep isn't any more special than Kaidan or Ashely or Jack or aeed or Kasumi or Garrus - they ALL fought the reapers. They are ALL icons.
No the end in general. Just the end of how we are now. Reaper don't die natural deaths.littlezack wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Exterminate? Last time I checked they wanted to give our race the honer of becoming a reaper.littlezack wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Evil's just a matter of perspective.
Speaking of hipster attitudes...
What? It is. It's not like you can 'define' evil. Societies have standards and view certain things as evil, but that's from their perspective. I'm sure the Reapers don't consider themselves to be evil - as far as we're concerned, they are. They're trying to exterminate us, we want to stop that, there's no point in labeling them as evil or whatever.
Eh. Whatever happens with the human reaper, that'll still be the end of the human race.
As I said before...littlezack wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
That's the thing. ME as a seris streases moral perspective. That's one of it's main themes.littlezack wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
100k wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
littlezack wrote...
Evil's just a matter of perspective.
Speaking of hipster attitudes...
>implying that what he said isn't true.
Yeah.
Tired of this post-modernist / moral relativist BS about there being no right and no wrong, no good acts and no evil acts -- that it's all just perspective.
I apologize for not seeing the world in black and white.
Ironic, when you're the one who only has room for "all morality is absolute" and "there is no morality".
Whatever. I'm not getting into an argument about moral perspectives on a ****ing videogame forum.
The Reapers being good or evil or gray or whatever doesn't have any bearing on anything.
No. Shepard IS an icon. The rest are not.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
So in ME1, it told in detail how they were made and in ME2 they stopped being AI? yOU DID TALK TOLEGION MUCH.
Also, yes humanity would get powerful from that...Why? because you have to deal with the Alliance to deal with Shepard. And they will all deffer to Shepard, the one they called made for stating thereaper where real. Why? Because he was the one that started saying the reapers where coming and killed one. Also, with humanity it's not about another human rising to be an icon, it about rising on time. Someone from another race could do that with better chances than an unknown human. Nothings come up that would make someone as famous as Shepard. How can anything topor equal to staving the citadel. And the media campain would work on the other alians home world? That would just rally human, not all the races. Making statement like that make you look illogical.
No, its a redicolous premise from the get go. Not only is the lazarus project stupid in itself, but startign it specificly for Sheppard is even more stupid.
There's nothing special about Sheppard other than the Prother Cipher. NOTHING.
The icon BS is just BS. Icons are made an icons come and go. Shep isn't any more special than Kaidan or Ashely or Jack or aeed or Kasumi or Garrus - they ALL fought the reapers. They are ALL icons.
Balek-Vriege wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Balek-Vriege wrote...
The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
Weren't we originally talking about smudboy and his opinion? Not brains and sh*t?
It's like one of those fascist feminist forums....
The brains have to do with whether or not Shepard's memories could have been repaired in the Lazarus project or cloned if the brain was liquified, supporting or hurting the point that Shepard's ressurection was/wasn't a plot hole which was one of Smudboy's stronger points and the very fabric of the debate hinges on this one fact if memories can be cloned/repaired!! Don't you get it!?!?! It's all in the brains!!!
Seriously, based off how brains are supposed to work: Couldn't Cerberus have repaired or cloned Shep's brain and used one of Shep's last awsomely futuristic brain scans to mimic the exact arrangement of neurons before Shep's death?
Edit: Typo fix
No. Memeory is not stored in the DNA. The memory in humans is refference.based, stored in the brain. Think of it as flahs memory. When someoen dies, no oxygen and electrical activity in the brain means brain begins to die off. Memories are the first thing to go, as they are reifnroced by electric impulses.
In other words, no amount of science can bring Shepard back.
You might be able to clone his body, but his memories are gone forever. They cannot be reconstructed, as you cannot get something out of nothing.
Think of it as trying to turn a 10x10 picture into a sharp,1000x1000 one. You just can't, there's too much data loss.
Umm you missed the whole point there. Electrical charges and alignment of Neurons is not DNA.
Edit: Think of long term memory in the brain being controlled by a organic switchboard. At least I think that's the way it's supposed to work.
Edit 2 before I go to work: If the brain is like an electrical/organic switchboard and if you had a basis of knowing what Shepard's exact alignment/setup of neurons were and knew what type of electrical activity was there beforehand (getting both from a futuristic brainscan or something close to his time of death), you might be able to recreate Shepard's memories even if you had to rebuild the brain.
Luigitornado wrote...
No. Shepard IS an icon. The rest are not.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
So in ME1, it told in detail how they were made and in ME2 they stopped being AI? yOU DID TALK TOLEGION MUCH.
Also, yes humanity would get powerful from that...Why? because you have to deal with the Alliance to deal with Shepard. And they will all deffer to Shepard, the one they called made for stating thereaper where real. Why? Because he was the one that started saying the reapers where coming and killed one. Also, with humanity it's not about another human rising to be an icon, it about rising on time. Someone from another race could do that with better chances than an unknown human. Nothings come up that would make someone as famous as Shepard. How can anything topor equal to staving the citadel. And the media campain would work on the other alians home world? That would just rally human, not all the races. Making statement like that make you look illogical.
No, its a redicolous premise from the get go. Not only is the lazarus project stupid in itself, but startign it specificly for Sheppard is even more stupid.
There's nothing special about Sheppard other than the Prother Cipher. NOTHING.
The icon BS is just BS. Icons are made an icons come and go. Shep isn't any more special than Kaidan or Ashely or Jack or aeed or Kasumi or Garrus - they ALL fought the reapers. They are ALL icons.
dreman9999 wrote...
Nothing special out side the fact that he/she killed a reaper and is the face of humanity? Right.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
No, its a redicolous premise from the get go. Not only is the lazarus project stupid in itself, but startign it specificly for Sheppard is even more stupid.
There's nothing special about Sheppard other than the Prother Cipher. NOTHING.
The icon BS is just BS. Icons are made an icons come and go. Shep isn't any more special than Kaidan or Ashely or Jack or aeed or Kasumi or Garrus - they ALL fought the reapers. They are ALL icons.
But that was not my point which you ignored. It'snot about Shepard being special or being the only one to kill the reapers. It's about his/her reconition and skill to kill one. Sure anyone can save the universe but can that anyone ensure the rise of humanity or the servival of humanity. The savior can be anyone from any race and most likly, base on the fact no other human is a well known as Shepard, will be from another race. And TIM want 2 things, humanity to servive and to be empowered and Shepard is key to that. No mattter how great the other races generals, worriors,and soldiers are, with Shepard alive they will always differ to Shepard the reaper killer.
The story never make it that Shepard is manditory to beat the reapers. TIM does. Remeber, the alliance and the concil left Shepard for dead without even trying to find the body. The alliance, council, or any other major faction outside Cerberus tried to revive Shepard. Cerberus was the only one and that was just a means to an end for the Illusive Man. How can you not understand that TIM brought back Shepard to use him/her as a pawn.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Luigitornado wrote...
No. Shepard IS an icon. The rest are not.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
So in ME1, it told in detail how they were made and in ME2 they stopped being AI? yOU DID TALK TOLEGION MUCH.
Also, yes humanity would get powerful from that...Why? because you have to deal with the Alliance to deal with Shepard. And they will all deffer to Shepard, the one they called made for stating thereaper where real. Why? Because he was the one that started saying the reapers where coming and killed one. Also, with humanity it's not about another human rising to be an icon, it about rising on time. Someone from another race could do that with better chances than an unknown human. Nothings come up that would make someone as famous as Shepard. How can anything topor equal to staving the citadel. And the media campain would work on the other alians home world? That would just rally human, not all the races. Making statement like that make you look illogical.
No, its a redicolous premise from the get go. Not only is the lazarus project stupid in itself, but startign it specificly for Sheppard is even more stupid.
There's nothing special about Sheppard other than the Prother Cipher. NOTHING.
The icon BS is just BS. Icons are made an icons come and go. Shep isn't any more special than Kaidan or Ashely or Jack or aeed or Kasumi or Garrus - they ALL fought the reapers. They are ALL icons.
No. Shepard is a overblown wanker.
He's importance is over-inflated for the sake of story, in defaince of all reason.
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