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[111987]

Fixers0 wrote...

111987 wrote...

@Fixers0

I made several points as to why bringing back Shepard would be key to uniting the galaxy and defeating the Reapers.

And why would TIM even bother with that question at the Time of Shepard's dead, that's an argument after the fact, What's the best investment? use the fources and resources you have to prepare agains the enemy, or spend two years on some dubious plot that you don't know will work?

He prepared against the enemy by ressurecting the one person with the ability, experience, symbolism, and connections needed to defeat the Reapers.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

dreman9999 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
They reall didn't need a team of expandables, Mordin is the only one neccasary, and he will join up regardless if he has been made aware of the gravity of the situation, other ones like Okeer, and legion and even garus might agree to help cerberus but considering they are not plot-integral that doesn't matter. 

Would they have been able to push through the Seekers on the Collector Base without Samara or Jack? 

Would Samara or Jack have joined up with Generic Cerberus Operative, instead of Shepard?


Would a force of hundreds of Cerberus agents have been able to go where Shep did, react as quickly as Shep did, accomplish what Shep did with very small units? 


It's not so cut and dried that Cerberus could have accomplished the job without Shep. 

To be fair they would have used Miranda and Jacob to hold up a barrier,they would lose 9/10 of their forces but...yeah nvm, you can't use a cudgel when you need a scalpel...

Way mor than that. No sheildsthey grt from tali to protect the ship. No, thanix. And engineering over side not fixed. They would not make it out with what the had left.

Without the upgrades you still make it past the collector ship
Don't know if they could get past the oculus' though...

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

111987 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

111987 wrote...

@Fixers0

I made several points as to why bringing back Shepard would be key to uniting the galaxy and defeating the Reapers.

And why would TIM even bother with that question at the Time of Shepard's dead, that's an argument after the fact, What's the best investment? use the fources and resources you have to prepare agains the enemy, or spend two years on some dubious plot that you don't know will work?

He prepared against the enemy by ressurecting the one person with the ability, experience, symbolism, and connections needed to defeat the Reapers.

TIM knows humanity alone can't beat the reapers,and Shepards ties to the galactic community could be the key to victory.

[Fixers0]

dreman9999 wrote...

Way mor than that. No sheildsthey grt from tali to protect the ship. No, thanix. And engineering over side not fixed. They would not make it out with what the had left.

The Team that put the normandy SR2 togheter probably could have installed the thanix cannon, etc they just needed to have the scematics

But then again a brand new top of the line upgrading the ship doesn't make much sense anyway. 

[dreman9999]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...
They reall didn't need a team of expandables, Mordin is the only one neccasary, and he will join up regardless if he has been made aware of the gravity of the situation, other ones like Okeer, and legion and even garus might agree to help cerberus but considering they are not plot-integral that doesn't matter. 

Would they have been able to push through the Seekers on the Collector Base without Samara or Jack? 

Would Samara or Jack have joined up with Generic Cerberus Operative, instead of Shepard?


Would a force of hundreds of Cerberus agents have been able to go where Shep did, react as quickly as Shep did, accomplish what Shep did with very small units? 


It's not so cut and dried that Cerberus could have accomplished the job without Shep. 

To be fair they would have used Miranda and Jacob to hold up a barrier,they would lose 9/10 of their forces but...yeah nvm, you can't use a cudgel when you need a scalpel...

Way mor than that. No sheildsthey grt from tali to protect the ship. No, thanix. And engineering over side not fixed. They would not make it out with what the had left.

Without the upgrades you still make it past the collector ship
Don't know if they could get past the oculus' though...

I didn't say they would not make it. I said they would not make it out.

[Fixers0]

111987 wrote...

He prepared against the enemy by ressurecting the one person with the ability, experience, symbolism, and connections needed to defeat the Reapers.

Does he now, were did you get that wisdom.

Mass effect 2 proved that Shepard is completly replaceable, because he was just doing a generic soldier job, at no point is anything you mentioned relevant 

I would really like to see How Mass Effect 3 deals with this issue.

[dreman9999]

Fixers0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Way mor than that. No sheildsthey grt from tali to protect the ship. No, thanix. And engineering over side not fixed. They would not make it out with what the had left.

The Team that put the normandy SR2 togheter probably could have installed the thanix cannon, etc they just needed to have the scematics

But then again a brand new top of the line upgrading the ship doesn't make much sense anyway. 

From were. It's a turian design. Cerberus agents can't get into the turian hierarchy. Not with out being dead first.
Also, it does make sence to have a top of a line ship on a mission like this. If the ship was not as advace as it was, they would never get past the trap on the collector ship or even take on the collector ship and tech. The sr-1 was swatted like a fly by the collector ship and it was the most advance ship in alliance and turian space and thing any ship can take the collectors.

Modifié par dreman9999, 31 août 2011 - 05:51 .

[Fixers0]

dreman9999 wrote...

I didn't say they would not make it. I said they would not make it out.

Why should't they,

Even if i don't upgrade the normandy, it will always result in the dead of three people.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

dreman9999 wrote...
I didn't say they would not make it. I said they would not make it out.

Oh,well then I concur.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 31 août 2011 - 05:48 .

[Fixers0]

dreman9999 wrote...

From were. It's a turian design. Cerberus agents can't get into the turian hierarchy. Not with out being dead first.

Alliance-turian design is that, besides How does rogue vigilante on Omega get those?

[Whatever42]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
The problem with recreating a person's mind / persona / whatever from a severely damaged brain is that the data to recreate them is simply lost.  It's gone.  Poof.  It was stored in a way that fails when the brain is pulped and frozen.  The electrochemical states and synaptic patterns are just gone. 

Which is why I wrote:

Shepard was injured at the end of ME1. One assumes that he would have had a full work-up, which could have included brain scans. Imaging in the future would be far more advanced than today.

Throw in the bio-synthetic fusion, which was apparently required to complete the necessary patterns and I don't see why it can't concievably be done.

The only real hole in my argument would be is how Shepard remembered the couple weeks after any brain scan would have been completed. That could have just survived - or it could have been artifically implanted based on ship's logs, etc. 

There's no physical laws that would be broken here. It's all possible.

[Sgt Stryker]

Fixers0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Way mor than that. No sheildsthey grt from tali to protect the ship. No, thanix. And engineering over side not fixed. They would not make it out with what the had left.

The Team that put the normandy SR2 togheter probably could have installed the thanix cannon, etc they just needed to have the scematics

But then again a brand new top of the line upgrading the ship doesn't make much sense anyway. 

Right, because the turians would be perfectly willing to give away their newest weapon design to Cerberus. Keep in mind that just a few decades ago, the turians and humans were at war with each other.

And upgrading does in fact make sense, considering that the tech you use to upgrade comes from other species and was not available to Cerberus when they built the SR2.

[Fixers0]

Sgt Stryker wrote...
Right, because the turians would be perfectly willing to give away their newest weapon design to Cerberus.

The could just get it the sameway Garrus aquired it, Plot magic

Sgt Stryker wrote...
And upgrading does in fact make sense, considering that the tech you use to upgrade comes from other species and was not available to Cerberus when they built the SR2.

And how do you upgrade a ship without going to a spacedock, would have made some exellent gameplay diversity,

Besides cerberus exels at stealing technology.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Fixers0 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Would they have been able to push through the Seekers on the Collector Base without Samara or Jack?

Miranda, Jacob or any cerberus biotic will do the job. also do you think TIM knows ahead of time that such scenario will happen?

Don't Miranda or Jacob fail if you use them for that assignment, getting at least one of the team killed? 

Samara has always seemed like such a no-brainer choice that I've never tried anyone else, but I could swear that I've read that some of the biotics, including the Cerberus operatives, fail if chosen. 

Fixers0 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Would Samara or Jack have joined up with Generic Cerberus Operative, instead of Shepard?

Why should they need them in the first place?

See above. 

Fixers0 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Would a force of hundreds of Cerberus agents have been able to go where Shep did, react as quickly as Shep did, accomplish what Shep did with very small units?

Yes, why not? just seperate them into units of about 25 people each and let them do their job.

Because 25 heavily armed men with links to a feared and hated terrorist organization wouldn't be allowed to operate in many places?  Because 25 people don't fit where 3 people do?  Because they might not have the skills that Shep and his squad do?  Because ME1 firmly established that dozens of Cerberus agents can't stand up to Shep and two comrades? 

Fixers0 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
It's not so cut and dried that Cerberus could have accomplished the job without Shep.

So what did Shepard do (in the main plot) that anybody else could't?

Most of it.

[Il Divo]

Fixers0 wrote...

And how do you upgrade a ship without going to a spacedock,

[dreman9999]

Fixers0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

From were. It's a turian design. Cerberus agents can't get into the turian hierarchy. Not with out being dead first.

Alliance-turian design is that, besides How does rogue vigilante on Omega get those?

Garrus know "people" in the hierarchy like Jacob knows "people "in the alliance.

Also....http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Normandy_SR-2#Armament
The Thanix Magnetic-Hydrodynamic Weapon is a turian-developed, miniaturized version of the weapon used by Sovereign during its attack on the Citadel. It uses an electromagnetic field to shape and accelerate a stream of superheated molten metal to relativistic velocities, which then impacts its target and deals horrendous damage. The weapons fire appears as a bright blue beam, very similar to the deadly red trails seen firing from the tips of Sovereign's 'arms' during the Battle of the Citadel.

[Sgt Stryker]

Fixers0 wrote...

The could just get it the sameway Garrus aquired it, Plot magic

I thought the goal here was to improve ME2's plot, not make it worse?

Sgt Stryker wrote...
And upgrading does in fact make sense, considering that the tech you use to upgrade comes from other species and was not available to Cerberus when they built the SR2.

Fixers0 wrote...

And how do you upgrade a ship without going to a spacedock,

Evidently this took place off camera. Unless you seriously think the campaign against the Collectors literally took the 25-40 hours that an actual playthrough would take.

Fixers0 wrote...

would have made some exellent gameplay diversity,

OK I'll give you that one. I, for one, would love to have a Skyllian Five Poker minigame with the crew while you wait for the upgrades to get installed by the spacedock workers. Great KotOR tribute, too!

[dreman9999]

Il Divo wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

And how do you upgrade a ship without going to a spacedock,

That's why they got Mordin and the normady  crew.

[Il Divo]

dreman9999 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

And how do you upgrade a ship without going to a spacedock,

That's why they got Mordin and the normady  crew.

I just don't get the huge issue that they didn't show the Thanix Cannon being installed. It's like complaining that we never see Shepard actually pick up guns off the ground. Simple gameplay-story segregation.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

I thought one of the people on Garrus' team was some tech expert or something,could he have been the connection to the people who knew where to get designs for Thanix?

[Fixers0]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
[img]Don't Miranda or Jacob fail if you use them for that assignment, getting at least one of the team killed?

They managed to hold out until the last 5 meter or so, the loss of one Solider is acceptable.

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Because 25 heavily armed men with links to a feared and hated terrorist organization wouldn't be allowed to operate in many places?

Such as?

Because 25 people don't fit where 3 people do? Because they might not have the skills that Shep and his squad do?

Where exactly?

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Most of it.

Shooting a gun at people?

[Sgt Stryker]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

I thought one of the people on Garrus' team was some tech expert or something,could he have been the connection to the people who knew where to get designs for Thanix?

Well, Garrus did serve in the military (just like every able-bodied, sound-minded turian), and he was considered for the Spectres. You tend to get noticed by important people when something like that happens.

[dreman9999]

Fixers0 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I didn't say they would not make it. I said they would not make it out.

Why should't they,

Even if i don't upgrade the normandy, it will always result in the dead of three people.

Because an normal Cerberus ageit is not as skilled as anyone in Shepard squad. Their the best fighters. A cerberus agent is no match to a super krogan, a geth platform, a master statagest, a super biotic, a super skilled assasin, a 1000 year old biotic worrior, a vet mearc with a high servival rate, a stelath hacker theif, an extreamly great quarian engineer, and super soldier that waspeiced together to be a killing machine.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Fixer0,do you just disagree to disagree?

25 people would not fit in the biotic barrier,think man,think.

[Whatever42]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Fixer0,do you just disagree to disagree?

25 people would not fit in the biotic barrier,think man,think.

He's throwing out scatter-gun criticisms left and right. I think it's pretty clear some people are disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.