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[111987]

Nashiktal wrote...

111987 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

111987 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Guldhun2 wrote...

Jumping through the omega 4 relay, without testing it, without knowing whats behind it, were no other ship has ever returned from, to stop something you have almost no information on, while using alien technology on board of your ship is logical?


Nice!

You've now proven my point twice.

They wanted to save their crew. Sending probes would give away their attack. Reaper IFF (Identify Friend Foe System for the mentally deficient) Disguises them long enough to get through the relay and defend themselves as necessary.

I just gave you three reasons it's logical. You will continue to find it illogical.

Now what?

How about sending a probe in at ANY point before the kidnapping? We never even knew we needed an IFF until halfway through the game, we never knew the crew was going to be kidnapped, we didn't even know where the hell it led to!

We had no way of knowing we would have had the opportunity to hack a collector ship for data, so thats not an excuse either.

Just the very act of TRYING to gather information would have helped. It would show that shep, or the illusive man are as bright as we keep being told they are. Even if the probes came back in pieces, we could glean information from that. (Were the probes destroyed by weapons fire? Were they simply smashed? Explosions? Did any recoverable data make it?)

Its just so... Terrible. We have several VERY smart people on board the normandy, but we can't even send a probe in?

But no ship that has every gone through the Omega 4 Relay has returned...so why would a probe do any better?

The Illusive Man said he was comitting all resources to finding a way through the Omega 4 Relay. Who says they didn't send a probe through?

The Shadow Broker managed to get his probes back, why can't the Illusive Man? I would love to think the Illusive Man sent probes through, but we are never told, nay even HINTED. Which is almost as bad. 

You see the probe doesnt even have to succeed. Just seeing the attempt, and the tense moments that follows as you wait for the data, or the report that the probe isn't returning. That would add weight to an otherwise ambiguous and easy suicide mission.

The Shadow Broker got pieces of his probes back.

We are told no ship has ever returned after passing through the Omega 4 Relay. I don't think waiting for a magical probe to return would add anything at all to the tension and mystery sounding the Relay, but maybe that's just me.

How boring would it be to stare at the Omega 4 Relay, waiting for a probe that has like a .000001 chance of returning to come back? To date, only the Shadow Broker has even recovered pieces of his probes. Thousands of ships over thousands of years haven't made it back.

Did you not read my post? There is plenty of information to be gleaned off of probes even in pieces. 

We are told no ship has ever returned after passing through the relay eh? WELL THEN LETS JUMP ON IN.  Let us not even try to learn what we can, and since the Illusive Man likes to withhold info, why can't we at least try ourselves?

The shadow broker got his probes back. Boring waiting? With the right atmosphere it would add a LOT to the gravity of the situation. A tense silence as you wait for the probe to return with your information, a dissapointed sigh as it lookes like the probes are not returing... 

then BLAM. Multiple pieces of debries fly back from the relay as the tattered remains return to your  ship. You look onward at the mess with dread, as it only confirms the dangers the reapers hold. But all is not lost, as some of the probes show marked damage from some sort of beam weapon....

Even more so, if shep doesnt do it we could at least see a small scene of cerberus doing it. A report, hell an email as much as I hate those things would have been better than nothing.

Actually, you don't get any information by retireving pieces of a probe...all that tells you is that something bad is on the other side. Which is kind of implied by the whole 'no ship has ever returned' thing

Like I said in my post above this, that is a personal preference, not a plot hole or bad writing. It was already established several times that no ship had ever returned. That's enough.

And the Normandy didn't just 'jump' in. Not until we got the IFF. And I've explained MANY times how sending a probe through the relay with the IFF would be completley pointless.

[Nashiktal]

I am sorry mate, but until you read my posts properly I don't think we can have a proper conversation. I have already stated how even pieces can give relevant info.

Aside from that, even if its just personal preference, whats wrong with expanding information. Or in a more distilled sentence, whats wrong with more?

Edit: The normandy did jump in. Whether you wait until you do everything else in the game or not, your still jumping in with no information, and with the knowledge no ship has ever returned.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 01 septembre 2011 - 04:31 .

[100k]

111987 wrote...

And the Normandy didn't just 'jump' in. Not until we got the IFF. And I've explained MANY times how sending a probe through the relay with the IFF would be completley pointless.

Just as sending a ship full of the galaxy's finest is equally pointless. 

[111987]

Nashiktal wrote...

I am sorry mate, but until you read my posts properly I don't think we can have a proper conversation. I have already stated how even pieces can give relevant info.

Aside from that, even if its just personal preference, whats wrong with expanding information. Or in a more distilled sentence, whats wrong with more?

(Were the probes destroyed by weapons fire? Were they simply smashed? Explosions? Did any recoverable data make it?)

Well actually, in all likelihood, the probe would just be sent into a sun or black hole, as a drift of several thousand kilometers occurrs without the Reaper IFF. The fact that the Shadow Broker's probes returned at all is a miracle, like literally it's akin to winning the lottery.

No recoverable data would be returned. The probe would be destroyed. Does it matter how? We know the Collectors are beyond there...so if the probe is destroyed by weapon fire, all that tells us is the Collectors are there. Which we already know...

[Notlikeyoucare]

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1.Becoming a spectre is unique in itself let alone being a first of a speices.
2.That's the thing. He/she was the only one. The council never gave the ok for Shepard to go after Saren on Ilos which his/her disobeying them was key to the victory. No other spectre would be on hand because they neverwas allow to be set there.Wrex never would have been ether. Shepard at that time was the one and only one to do it. Also, Shepard saving the citidel made him/her into an Icon. Shepard became an icon because he/she saved the citidel, not because he/she an icon they were able to save the citidel.

1)  Not unique.  There is more than one Spectre.  Therefore, becoming one is special, exceptional.  But not unique.
2) Now ask yourself, "Why was Shepard so determined to go to Ilos?"

TIM seemed to have the whole icon thing mixed up.  He says that what makes Shepard unique is what he represents, that he's a symbol for humanity.  He doesn't seem to take into account what it was about Shepard that got him there to begin with.  The human behind the legend.  Why no other Spectre would have violated the Council's orders.

Also, Shepard isn't a Spectre at this point, becoming one again is completely optional. Besides, hes also outside Council space, making his Spectre status null and void.

[Balek-Vriege]

100k wrote...

111987 wrote...

And the Normandy didn't just 'jump' in. Not until we got the IFF. And I've explained MANY times how sending a probe through the relay with the IFF would be completley pointless.

Just as sending a ship full of the galaxy's finest is equally pointless. 

Except that it wasn't in the end.  Or was pointless if you didn't prepare properly and everyone died including Shepard.

Just as pointless as any other story with a hero up against impossible odds.

[Nashiktal]

111987 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

I am sorry mate, but until you read my posts properly I don't think we can have a proper conversation. I have already stated how even pieces can give relevant info.

Aside from that, even if its just personal preference, whats wrong with expanding information. Or in a more distilled sentence, whats wrong with more?

(Were the probes destroyed by weapons fire? Were they simply smashed? Explosions? Did any recoverable data make it?)

Well actually, in all likelihood, the probe would just be sent into a sun or black hole, as a drift of several thousand kilometers occurrs without the Reaper IFF. The fact that the Shadow Broker's probes returned at all is a miracle, like literally it's akin to winning the lottery.

No recoverable data would be returned. The probe would be destroyed. Does it matter how? We know the Collectors are beyond there...so if the probe is destroyed by weapon fire, all that tells us is the Collectors are there. Which we already know...

The shadow broker had no IFF, and his probes returned. 

And yes learning how the probes are destroyed would be very useful. We didn know the omega relay is near asteroids or black holes, and if destroyed by weapons fire we learn just a little bit more information on whats on the otherside. (mainly that they bother to guard it, and potentially a defense against said weapon)

Still that doesn't change my point. Why didnt we TRY?

Modifié par Nashiktal, 01 septembre 2011 - 04:37 .

[111987]

100k wrote...

111987 wrote...

And the Normandy didn't just 'jump' in. Not until we got the IFF. And I've explained MANY times how sending a probe through the relay with the IFF would be completley pointless.

Just as sending a ship full of the galaxy's finest is equally pointless. 

Actually, it wouldn't be pointless. Sending a probe through is useless because first of all, it alerts the Collectors that you're coming. Second, a probe has no means of attack or defense, or manuverability. Sending in the most advanced in warship with a unshackeled, Reaper based AI is your best chance of success. Send all the probes you like; eventually, you're going to have to go through yourself.

If success was guaranteed, it wouldn't be called a Suicide Mission.

[111987]

Nashiktal wrote...

111987 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

I am sorry mate, but until you read my posts properly I don't think we can have a proper conversation. I have already stated how even pieces can give relevant info.

Aside from that, even if its just personal preference, whats wrong with expanding information. Or in a more distilled sentence, whats wrong with more?

(Were the probes destroyed by weapons fire? Were they simply smashed? Explosions? Did any recoverable data make it?)

Well actually, in all likelihood, the probe would just be sent into a sun or black hole, as a drift of several thousand kilometers occurrs without the Reaper IFF. The fact that the Shadow Broker's probes returned at all is a miracle, like literally it's akin to winning the lottery.

No recoverable data would be returned. The probe would be destroyed. Does it matter how? We know the Collectors are beyond there...so if the probe is destroyed by weapon fire, all that tells us is the Collectors are there. Which we already know...

The shadow broker had no IFF, and his probes returned. 

Still that doesn't change my point. Why didnt we TRY?

Like I said, the Shadow Broker's probes returning (in PIECES) is completley miraculous, the odds of it happening are so minute.

Why should we try if we know no ship has ever returned, and the only probes to ever returned were destroyed? That doesn't help us at all. Once again, the Illusive Man said he dedicated all resources to finding a way through the Omega 4 Relay. It's unnecesarry for him to detail every single thing he's tried, because none of them worked.

[Notlikeyoucare]

111987 wrote...

100k wrote...

111987 wrote...

And the Normandy didn't just 'jump' in. Not until we got the IFF. And I've explained MANY times how sending a probe through the relay with the IFF would be completley pointless.

Just as sending a ship full of the galaxy's finest is equally pointless. 

Actually, it wouldn't be pointless. Sending a probe through is useless because first of all, it alerts the Collectors that you're coming. Second, a probe has no means of attack or defense, or manuverability. Sending in the most advanced in warship with a unshackeled, Reaper based AI is your best chance of success. Send all the probes you like; eventually, you're going to have to go through yourself.

If success was guaranteed, it wouldn't be called a Suicide Mission.

The Collectors should already be expecting us considering we've interfered with their operations numerous times. We could strike at any time, it doesn't have to be right after we launch the probe. If we realise they have a fleet of ships, what then? We wouldn't be going through at all since we're unprepared. We have their IFF, they have our crew, what else would they be expecting?

[Nashiktal]

111987 wrote...

100k wrote...

111987 wrote...

And the Normandy didn't just 'jump' in. Not until we got the IFF. And I've explained MANY times how sending a probe through the relay with the IFF would be completley pointless.

Just as sending a ship full of the galaxy's finest is equally pointless. 

Actually, it wouldn't be pointless. Sending a probe through is useless because first of all, it alerts the Collectors that you're coming. Second, a probe has no means of attack or defense, or manuverability. Sending in the most advanced in warship with a unshackeled, Reaper based AI is your best chance of success. Send all the probes you like; eventually, you're going to have to go through yourself.

If success was guaranteed, it wouldn't be called a Suicide Mission.

If no ship has ever returned for as long as the reapers have existed (The sea of alien vessels of various tech levels allude to this) How would it have been any different with the normandy?

There is no information, for all we know the reapers like to put a giant steel wall in front of the relay that smashes anything that hits it. So much for that advanced warship.

For all we know there  are turrets pointed everywhere in there that can pierce your shields. So much for the dirty dozen.

Its the lack of info, the lack of trying thats the worse. Why can't we go in there with support? Why can't we gather info?

It is not useless to TRY. Especially when so much is at stake. Should the allies not use planes and spy's to gather information in WW2, should the rebel alliance not gather information on how to destroy the death star in star wars? 

[111987]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

111987 wrote...

100k wrote...

111987 wrote...

And the Normandy didn't just 'jump' in. Not until we got the IFF. And I've explained MANY times how sending a probe through the relay with the IFF would be completley pointless.

Just as sending a ship full of the galaxy's finest is equally pointless. 

Actually, it wouldn't be pointless. Sending a probe through is useless because first of all, it alerts the Collectors that you're coming. Second, a probe has no means of attack or defense, or manuverability. Sending in the most advanced in warship with a unshackeled, Reaper based AI is your best chance of success. Send all the probes you like; eventually, you're going to have to go through yourself.

If success was guaranteed, it wouldn't be called a Suicide Mission.

The Collectors should already be expecting us considering we've interfered with their operations numerous times. We could strike at any time, it doesn't have to be right after we launch the probe. If we realise they have a fleet of ships, what then? We wouldn't be going through at all since we're unprepared. We have their IFF, they have our crew, what else would they be expecting?

True, the Collectors should already be expecting us. i believe my other point still stands though.

[Nashiktal]

If its a suicide mission, it stands to reason we should learn all we can to minimize risks no?

[100k]

111987 wrote...

100k wrote...

111987 wrote...

And the Normandy didn't just 'jump' in. Not until we got the IFF. And I've explained MANY times how sending a probe through the relay with the IFF would be completley pointless.

Just as sending a ship full of the galaxy's finest is equally pointless. 

Actually, it wouldn't be pointless. Sending a probe through is useless because first of all, it alerts the Collectors that you're coming. Second, a probe has no means of attack or defense, or manuverability. Sending in the most advanced in warship with a unshackeled, Reaper based AI is your best chance of success. Send all the probes you like; eventually, you're going to have to go through yourself.

If success was guaranteed, it wouldn't be called a Suicide Mission.

Okay, perhaps you and I are having a different idea of what a "probe" is supposed to do. Nobody in the entire galaxy knows ANYTHING about what is at the other end of that relay. A probe, even a cheaply made probe, would be able to illuminate the previously unseen space. Weapons and armor aren't needed.

Sending the best ship in the galaxy with a Reaper based AI just doesn't cut it -- particularly when that Reaper based AI was still hackable by Reaper tech, and attacked by Collectors. It's proven to be -- if not inefficiant -- then at the least not useful for more than infiltration support. EDI can't hack Reapers. She can't hack Collectors for more than a short time.

Further more, you're still faced with the problem of flying a single tiny warship, possibly armed with a few WMDs, up against a possible planet, dyson sphere, fleet, or base. 

Recon is, and has always been, essential to winning. It's nice to carry around a big gun at night. But without a light, you might as well empty your clip.

[111987]

Nashiktal wrote...

111987 wrote...

100k wrote...

111987 wrote...

And the Normandy didn't just 'jump' in. Not until we got the IFF. And I've explained MANY times how sending a probe through the relay with the IFF would be completley pointless.

Just as sending a ship full of the galaxy's finest is equally pointless. 

Actually, it wouldn't be pointless. Sending a probe through is useless because first of all, it alerts the Collectors that you're coming. Second, a probe has no means of attack or defense, or manuverability. Sending in the most advanced in warship with a unshackeled, Reaper based AI is your best chance of success. Send all the probes you like; eventually, you're going to have to go through yourself.

If success was guaranteed, it wouldn't be called a Suicide Mission.

If no ship has ever returned for as long as the reapers have existed (The sea of alien vessels of various tech levels allude to this) How would it have been any different with the normandy?

There is no information, for all we know the reapers like to put a giant steel wall in front of the relay that smashes anything that hits it. So much for that advanced warship.

For all we know there  are turrets pointed everywhere in there that can pierce your shields. So much for the dirty dozen.

Its the lack of info, the lack of trying thats the worse. Why can't we go in there with support? Why can't we gather info?

It is not useless to TRY. Especially when so much is at stake. Should the allies not use planes and spy's to gather information in WW2, should the rebel alliance not gather information on how to destroy the death star in star wars? 

It's different with the Normandy because of the IFF...that's made pretty clear in-game.

A steel wall in space, really? I think you're really underestimating the size of space. Even with the IFF, it's not there isn't ANY drift. That wall would have to be massive. And if there was a wall, how would the Collectors get through? That's a really silly point to raise isn't it?

If there are dozens of turrets around the Relay, well that's part of the risk. If that was true though, no probe would ever survive that to return, and even if it did, it wouldn't tell us that there are turrets everywhere. So once again, sending a probe through is useless.

[111987]

100k wrote...

111987 wrote...

100k wrote...

111987 wrote...

And the Normandy didn't just 'jump' in. Not until we got the IFF. And I've explained MANY times how sending a probe through the relay with the IFF would be completley pointless.

Just as sending a ship full of the galaxy's finest is equally pointless. 

Actually, it wouldn't be pointless. Sending a probe through is useless because first of all, it alerts the Collectors that you're coming. Second, a probe has no means of attack or defense, or manuverability. Sending in the most advanced in warship with a unshackeled, Reaper based AI is your best chance of success. Send all the probes you like; eventually, you're going to have to go through yourself.

If success was guaranteed, it wouldn't be called a Suicide Mission.

Okay, perhaps you and I are having a different idea of what a "probe" is supposed to do. Nobody in the entire galaxy knows ANYTHING about what is at the other end of that relay. A probe, even a cheaply made probe, would be able to illuminate the previously unseen space. Weapons and armor aren't needed.

Sending the best ship in the galaxy with a Reaper based AI just doesn't cut it -- particularly when that Reaper based AI was still hackable by Reaper tech, and attacked by Collectors. It's proven to be -- if not inefficiant -- then at the least not useful for more than infiltration support. EDI can't hack Reapers. She can't hack Collectors for more than a short time.

Further more, you're still faced with the problem of flying a single tiny warship, possibly armed with a few WMDs, up against a possible planet, dyson sphere, fleet, or base. 

Recon is, and has always been, essential to winning. It's nice to carry around a big gun at night. But without a light, you might as well empty your clip.

The probe wouldn't send us any information though because it would be destroyed. A probe can't send information through hundreds of light years back to the Normandy, not to mention the INTENSE radiation likely interfering with the signal. For information to be recovered, the probe would have to return intact...which it wouldn't.

It doesn't take much reasoning to figure out what we're facing on the other side. There's no habitable planets in the galactic core, so that isn't an option. A dyson sphere is even bigger than a planet, so that isn't an option either. If there were a fleet of ships, well, they'd have to be taken on regardless. That's why you send the best ship in the galaxy to take on said fleet. Plus, given what we know about the Collectors, we know they don't have some massive fleet. Otherwise, they wouldn't be sneaking around everywhere; they'd just kick the crap out of everyone with their fleet and take what they want.

[Someone With Mass]

iakus wrote...

A possibility, but the fact that Feros doesn't appear at all in Mass Effect:  Genesis makes me suspect we'll never hear about the Cipher again.

And as of ME2 neither the Alliance nor the Council trusts Shepard no matter what happened in ME1.  SOmething about possibly faking his death and going over to work with Cerberus...

The Protheans will play an important part in ME3, though.

And Shepard can understand their language, which will make the whole thing a lot easier.

Also, that's something that makes Shepard special. He's the only human who can decipher Prothean language, making it possible for him to control and understand their technology on a higher level.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 01 septembre 2011 - 04:55 .

[Iakus]

Nashiktal wrote...

If its a suicide mission, it stands to reason we should learn all we can to minimize risks no?

Bah, now that's just crazy talk!  Everyone knows you need to spend all your available time working out personal problems!  

[100k]

111987 wrote...
It's different with the Normandy because of the IFF...that's made pretty clear in-game.

Yes, it is. "Drift of several thousand kilometers is common, and would be fatal in the galactic core". Here, EDI is making the assumption that the SR1 could be accidentally pitched into a sun or a black hole. With the IFF, however, she is able to rationalize that this is a non issue anymore, because the IFF grants her a more precise jump. Which leads to...

A steel wall in space, really? I think you're really underestimating the size of space. Even with the IFF, it's not there isn't ANY drift. That wall would have to be massive. And if there was a wall, how would the Collectors get through? That's a really silly point to raise isn't it?

O RLY? It seems to me that even with the IFF, there was a "wall" of sorts on the other end of that relay, in the form of thousands of ships. Unless I'm much mistaken, the "accurate" IFF almost allowed the SR2 to smash right into this "wall".  Which leads to this...

If there are dozens of turrets around the Relay, well that's part of the risk. If that was true though, no probe would ever survive that to return, and even if it did, it wouldn't tell us that there are turrets everywhere. So once again, sending a probe through is useless.

And yet this graveyard of ancient ships -- some of which were clearly quarian -- shows that sending a ship is even riskier. If the craft is not shredded by the Collector drones, pitched into a sun, or destroyed by the main vessel then it might stand a chance. But that's a hell of a lot of "ifs" to make, especially when the IFF only ensures that you won't be pitched into a sun.

You really willing to risk the best team in the galaxy to go up blind against a possible planet? If yes, tell me what plan of action would be taken into account to fight a planet, moon, or dyson sphere?

[Notlikeyoucare]

This may seem like an insignificant comment, but how does the IFF of a 37 million year old Reaper transmit the location of the Normandy to the 50,000 year old Collectors? Did they know of its existance? If so, why didn't they clean up like Vigil said the Reapers do? What, did they find it and rig it with tracking software to track the first people who randomly stumbled onto its whereabouts and decided to install it in their ship?

[dreman9999]

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1.Becoming a spectre is unique in itself let alone being a first of a speices.
2.That's the thing. He/she was the only one. The council never gave the ok for Shepard to go after Saren on Ilos which his/her disobeying them was key to the victory. No other spectre would be on hand because they neverwas allow to be set there.Wrex never would have been ether. Shepard at that time was the one and only one to do it. Also, Shepard saving the citidel made him/her into an Icon. Shepard became an icon because he/she saved the citidel, not because he/she an icon they were able to save the citidel.

1)  Not unique.  There is more than one Spectre.  Therefore, becoming one is special, exceptional.  But not unique.
2) Now ask yourself, "Why was Shepard so determined to go to Ilos?"

TIM seemed to have the whole icon thing mixed up.  He says that what makes Shepard unique is what he represents, that he's a symbol for humanity.  He doesn't seem to take into account what it was about Shepard that got him there to begin with.  The human behind the legend.  Why no other Spectre would have violated the Council's orders.

1. So how many people can become a spectre? No much. An extremely small amount can be even considered. Being a Spectre is unique in itself.
2.Your still not understanding..... Though Shepard was at the right place and time to become the hero of the citidel. The reason he/she was even their is because he/she is the best humanity had to offer to be a spectre. Being even consider is unique because a small amount can be qualified, let allow become one. You need to understand what the word unique is.

[Iakus]

[quote]111987 wrote...

The probe wouldn't send us any information though because it would be destroyed. A probe can't send information through hundreds of light years back to the Normandy, not to mention the INTENSE radiation likely interfering with the signal. For information to be recovered, the probe would have to return intact...which it wouldn't.[/quote]

Depends on the definition of "destroyed"  If any sort of recording remains salvageable to show what's on the other side, then it doesn't matter how smashed up the probe ends up upon returning, it served it's purpose.

[/quote]
It doesn't take much reasoning to figure out what we're facing on the other side. There's no habitable planets in the galactic core, so that isn't an option. A dyson sphere is even bigger than a planet, so that isn't an option either. If there were a fleet of ships, well, they'd have to be taken on regardless. That's why you send the best ship in the galaxy to take on said fleet. Plus, given what we know about the Collectors, we know they don't have some massive fleet. Otherwise, they wouldn't be sneaking around everywhere; they'd just kick the crap out of everyone with their fleet and take what they want.[/quote]

After the Collector Ship mission, I think we finally know that the Collectors are operating out of a base inteh Core.  What we don't know is what kind of defenses are there.  It's there that a probe would really come in handy.   Rather than strapping a 37 million year of piece of Reaper tech to the really really expensive warship, might have been a better idea to fab a new one, strap it to a stealthy probe and fire it off through the Relay to test it out, no?

[dreman9999]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

111987 wrote...

100k wrote...

111987 wrote...

And the Normandy didn't just 'jump' in. Not until we got the IFF. And I've explained MANY times how sending a probe through the relay with the IFF would be completley pointless.

Just as sending a ship full of the galaxy's finest is equally pointless. 

Actually, it wouldn't be pointless. Sending a probe through is useless because first of all, it alerts the Collectors that you're coming. Second, a probe has no means of attack or defense, or manuverability. Sending in the most advanced in warship with a unshackeled, Reaper based AI is your best chance of success. Send all the probes you like; eventually, you're going to have to go through yourself.

If success was guaranteed, it wouldn't be called a Suicide Mission.

The Collectors should already be expecting us considering we've interfered with their operations numerous times. We could strike at any time, it doesn't have to be right after we launch the probe. If we realise they have a fleet of ships, what then? We wouldn't be going through at all since we're unprepared. We have their IFF, they have our crew, what else would they be expecting?

If the collector are expecting us then that means it pointless to send probes to see if it's safe or get a look to see what to expect.

[111987]

100k wrote...

111987 wrote...
It's different with the Normandy because of the IFF...that's made pretty clear in-game.

Yes, it is. "Drift of several thousand kilometers is common, and would be fatal in the galactic core". Here, EDI is making the assumption that the SR1 could be accidentally pitched into a sun or a black hole. With the IFF, however, she is able to rationalize that this is a non issue anymore, because the IFF grants her a more precise jump. Which leads to...

A steel wall in space, really? I think you're really underestimating the size of space. Even with the IFF, it's not there isn't ANY drift. That wall would have to be massive. And if there was a wall, how would the Collectors get through? That's a really silly point to raise isn't it?

O RLY? It seems to me that even with the IFF, there was a "wall" of sorts on the other end of that relay, in the form of thousands of ships. Unless I'm much mistaken, the "accurate" IFF almost allowed the SR2 to smash right into this "wall".  Which leads to this...

If there are dozens of turrets around the Relay, well that's part of the risk. If that was true though, no probe would ever survive that to return, and even if it did, it wouldn't tell us that there are turrets everywhere. So once again, sending a probe through is useless.

And yet this graveyard of ancient ships -- some of which were clearly quarian -- shows that sending a ship is even riskier. If the craft is not shredded by the Collector drones, pitched into a sun, or destroyed by the main vessel then it might stand a chance. But that's a hell of a lot of "ifs" to make, especially when the IFF only ensures that you won't be pitched into a sun.

You really willing to risk the best team in the galaxy to go up blind against a possible planet? If yes, tell me what plan of action would be taken into account to fight a planet, moon, or dyson sphere?

A steel wall does not equate to a debris field. Kinetic barriers can protect against thigns like debris (which they do)...if there was a steel wall, the kinetic barrier wouldn't help. But honestly i'm not sure what your argument here is...

The Normandy wouldn't be sent into a sun or black hole because of the IFF. The Normandy is also the most advanced warship in the galaxy; you know there are going to be Collector defenses, which is why you should send your best ship through as it has the greatest chance of success.

Once again, there could not possibly be a planet in the galactic core. If it was a moon, there'd still just be a base on it to infiltrate. And I think you're underestimating the size of a dyson sphere...a dyson sphere is big enough to encompass the SUN. That's way too big to be in the galactic core. And if there were a dyson sphere worth of collectors, the Collectors would have curbstomped the galaxy easily. 

[Clayless]

Some people here sound butthurt about ME2. I'd say they should just avoid more grief and not play ME3.

What are the chances they'll play it regardless.