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[CroGamer002]

atheelogos wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Someone needs to euthanize Smudbody.

..........

From the Internet.


Also after many( horrible) analysis and in DA2 analysis you say Hawke's Uncle is Hawke's causing, you need to think about what are you doing.

[VeR0se]

atheelogos wrote...

VeR0se wrote...
 Squee shut him down pretty nicely.

not really, but that's just my opinion

Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one. 

Modifié par VeR0se, 28 août 2011 - 08:18 .

[stysiaq]

Han Shot First wrote...

That pretty sums up the videos.
I waste enough of my time on ME games, I even post a few posts almost every day here. If I had another hour to listen to some pal with a monotone voice to tell me what exactly was wrong with the story I loved, and then another one who'll tell the first one why he should stfu, it would be the end of the world for me.

I can talk for an hour and criticise almost every mainstream fiction, no matter if its ME1, ME2, or any movie franchise. I think that if I tried I'd manage to whine about Portal 1&2 as well. If you try hard enough, the sky is the limit.

Also, I bet none of this whining is actually new. You've probably heard and discussed all the arguments before, but now it's different, because they're in a video with 20k views on yt, no matter that the videos are boring as hell. And if that guy even bashes the omni-blade idea, or the left arm/right arm bullcrap its not just criticism, but stupidity included.

Think 'bout it, cheers. 

[CroGamer002]

VeR0se wrote...

This guy is an idiot, Squee shut him down pretty nicely. Hopefully smud will take the hint and stop making terrible videos that make no sense in a game developer's eyes. *sigh*

Nope.

smudboy did counter argument videos in which he failed miserably and also insulted Squee, Mass Effect fans and Sci-Fi fans as well.

Later on did that awful DA2 analysis I couldn't watch after Hawke's Uncle is Hawke's cousin, ME3 Marketing so far video that ignored most of marketing and that Mass Effect Biotics are not possible in real life which pretty much proves he doesn't know what Sci-Fi is.


Oh and this guy wants to make ME2 parody.
And if you watched "Fixing ME2" video series, you know his writing sucks and his "Arrival analysis" video you'll see his comedy is horrible.




I just went too off-topic.

[celuloid]

Actually, developers needed to do only one thing to make the resurrection subplot plausible:
Explain what is currently Shepard made of. How much is he still human. The guy has obvious orange glowing scars all over the face, and the only explanation we get is:
"I noticed a few new parts here and there."
Seriously? That is the best Bioware's superwriters can do?

[VeR0se]

Mesina2 wrote...

VeR0se wrote...

This guy is an idiot, Squee shut him down pretty nicely. Hopefully smud will take the hint and stop making terrible videos that make no sense in a game developer's eyes. *sigh*

Nope.

smudboy did counter argument videos in which he failed miserably and also insulted Squee, Mass Effect fans and Sci-Fi fans as well.

Later on did that awful DA2 analysis I couldn't watch after Hawke's Uncle is Hawke's cousin, ME3 Marketing so far video that ignored most of marketing and that Mass Effect Biotics are not possible in real life which pretty much proves he doesn't know what Sci-Fi is.


Oh and this guy wants to make ME2 parody.
And if you watched "Fixing ME2" video series, you know his writing sucks and his "Arrival analysis" video you'll see his comedy is horrible.




I just went too off-topic.

This man needs to die....

[HBC Dresden]

What is a shame is that people keep bringing up smudboy and his videos, giving his criticism (in a literary sense, not just in the negative) more legitimacy and discussion than it deserves. Instead, people should talk more about theories from people like mimaz98 and his dissertation on ME3 (http://forums.steamp...d.php?t=2011810). Unlike smudboy who merely takes inconsistencies in the plot (whether or not they actually exists) and uses it as a way to blindly bash Mass Effect's writing, mimaz98 takes these plot points in the Mass Effect story (even when they contradict) and tries to find patterns and connections between them to see if they coalesce into the larger narrative. This is more productive in suggesting improvements and predictions for Mass Effect 3 than just bashing it in excess.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

smudboy is someone who thinks he is intelligent... in fact he's not. his stupid ideas, summaries, analysis, being a homemade marketing specialist make him look stupidd. It's hard to believe some people worship him like a jesus. Also my opinion about him is personal based on his riddiculous videos but also (in smaller matter) because he called me a hacker in one of my me2 videos (while i dont have to use them).

[Mister Mida]

I see the word of curse has been uttered on the BSN again.

*eats some more popcorn*

Don't like his vids? Don't watch them.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 28 août 2011 - 08:30 .

[Quole]

Squee is an idiot. Not saying I agree with Smudboy though.

[Mike2640]

Mesina2 wrote...

VeR0se wrote...

This guy is an idiot, Squee shut him down pretty nicely. Hopefully smud will take the hint and stop making terrible videos that make no sense in a game developer's eyes. *sigh*

Nope.

smudboy did counter argument videos in which he failed miserably and also insulted Squee, Mass Effect fans and Sci-Fi fans as well.

Later on did that awful DA2 analysis I couldn't watch after Hawke's Uncle is Hawke's cousin, ME3 Marketing so far video that ignored most of marketing and that Mass Effect Biotics are not possible in real life which pretty much proves he doesn't know what Sci-Fi is.


Oh and this guy wants to make ME2 parody.
And if you watched "Fixing ME2" video series, you know his writing sucks and his "Arrival analysis" video you'll see his comedy is horrible.




I just went too off-topic.

What's wrong with his DA2 analysis? It's been a while since i've watched it but I don't remember seeing anything too off kilter with it.

I agree with you on the humor bit though. He's not that funny, but I still find he's pretty spot on with his criticisms most of the time.

celuloid wrote...

Actually, developers needed to do only one thing to make the resurrection subplot plausible:
Explain
what is currently Shepard made of. How much is he still human. The guy
has obvious orange glowing scars all over the face, and the only
explanation we get is:
"I noticed a few new parts here and there."
Seriously? That is the best Bioware's superwriters can do?

I'd be okay with them being vague on the sciencey bits if the characters would just for once treat it like the miracle of science that it is, rather than everyone just being kinda surprised that Shep's back. Except for the Virmire Survivor, everyone basically says: "Shepard! You're alive! That's so cool." and that's that. I'd figure at least Ashley, the only confirmed religious character in the game (Except for Mordin, I think), would have more to say besides "You're working for the bad guys now! *Pout*"

Modifié par Mike2640, 28 août 2011 - 09:17 .

[GodWood]

I agree with a lot of what he said.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

iakus wrote...
Smudboy is definitely not for everybody.  He's not subtle, gets caught up in minutia, and alas too often allowed himself to be baited by his" less than mature" detractors.  But he's raised good points.  He backs up his assertions, he's not afraid to speak his mind.  Just because he 'nit-picks" doesn't invalidate the major issues he has.  Being arrogant doesn't make one wrong.  

I think the youtube video approach is a good move on his part.  He can show people exactly what problems he has with a storyline.  He doesn't get sidetracked by hecklers. And people who hear "Mass Effect 2 was a terrible sequel" and start raging can simply stop listening and go posting insults about him on in Internet forum. Everybody wins. 

1+

Modifié par Lizardviking, 28 août 2011 - 09:47 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Gabey5 wrote...

Mr nitpicker? Didn't Squee destroy most of his points already?

This is a videogame sci fi , some people tend to forget that and push real world science or issues.


seriously he was raging at how shepard could survive going in to a planets atmosphere

again it is science FICTION!

FICTION

a magical world where anything can happen. It is like when star wars  fans debate the possibility of hyperdrive when when you have guys with super powers and a laser sword with an unlimited power supply

k?

k

The point of creating your own universe, at least from a practical point of view, should be being able to define your own canon and lore, instead having to adhere to someone else's and always returning to the status quo. The first Mass Effect did this brilliantly, setting up a marvelously deep new world in almost no time at all, and kept working within the parameters of the reality BioWare had set for it.

At this point, you should use the freedom of not being confined to someone else's property to - as the Dragon Age team put it (obut yet has to do so properly) - "kick down the sandcastle". Instead, ME2 starts with breaking the lore, not the status quo, about 5 minutes into the game, the only point of which seems to be to introduce the throwaway villain of the week and railroad Shepard into working with Cerberus. At the end of the game the Collectors are conveniently done away with, and Shepard's 'positive' relationship with Cerberus is apparently ended regardless of your choice. End result: pretty much the same status quo you started the game with.

Now, what ME2 managed to pull off as well as if not better than the first game was exposition, which many consider to be the main point of the game. What the team should have done, instead of introducing faceless throwaway enemy faction B, assuming they were truly unwilling to already have the Reapers arrive early on in ME2, is having either:

A.) Arrival as the main plot, having Cerberus/Indoctrinated Faction X and the geth set up shop in some sort of inaccessible base beyond the Relay that links to the Alpha Relay. The main game itself could stay largely unchanged, but Shepard would survive the attack on the original Normandy and Arrival would be integrated within (or basically become, I guess) the main story itself.

B.) Some sort of galaxy-wide conflict pretty much unrelated to the Reapers. Have us actually deal with all the different factions BioWare created but for some reason kept on the background. More politics and intrigue, but with the upcoming Reaper threat still looming. All in all a giant game of kingmaker, or just an attempt to keep/make the galaxy as strong as possible for what is to come by any means necessary.

Instead, we got another rather black and white main story...

Also, Squee didn't destroy Smudboy's points. Far from it, even.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 28 août 2011 - 09:54 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Brenon Holmes wrote...
I haven't actually watched them, mostly
because of the reactions that most people seem to have to it... so I
can guess what the content is probably like...

Now if it was like RedLetterMedia's Star Wars stuff... I'd probably totally watch it. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

'Cuz that **** is hillarious.

While
he is nowhere as fun as RLM he does raise some very good points. If you
want to watch his videos, see the rebuttal to squee counter arguements.

[Guldhun2]

Some people really are retarted on these boards.

SMUDBOY WAS WRONG ON DA2 LOLOL UNCLE NOT COUSIN LOLOLOL

http://en.wikipedia....in#Cousin_chart

---->the child of one's aunt or uncle or any relative who shares a common ancestor



And, could anyone show me where Squee was right, and smudboy wrong? One example please, just one.

[Guldhun2]

Mesina2 wrote...
smudboy did counter argument videos in which he failed miserably and also insulted Squee, Mass Effect fans and Sci-Fi fans as well.

Could you give one (ONE) example were he failed miserably?

[Da_Lion_Man]

You have to give it to him though, he will always be a legend on these forums since he's talked about for so many times already. Haters gonna hate!

[PXXL]

[Eski.Moe]

:|

[Phaedon]

Why are we still discussing smudboy?

He made some videos nitpicking every single thing BioWare released several months ago, missed several plotpoints on purpose, delivered the rest in an obnoxious manner, called names and twisted debates with everyone who even slightly disagreed with him, insulted anyone who picked a different in-game choice than him frequently, criticized features for no reason, suggested that squadmates could become sick from space food from the kitchen (I am not even kidding) and finally failed to counter-argument Squee's video reply. His videos have a few thousand views, which are definitely not very popular among a big fanbase.

When a plot analyst does a worse job of understanding the plot than your average gamer, and can't handle criticism, you know that there is some kind of problem there. So, you have an aggressive plot analyst with extreme views and means to record his voice. So what? Isn't BSN practically filled with those?

I suggest we all deal with it.

[GHOST OF FRUITY]

The guy should put his energy into something more constructive or take up a hobby - what an utter waste of time, ****ing about a computer game for two years. No matter the dissapointment, there comes a point where you have to let go and move on.

[aTrueFool]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

Then for a simple example of how many of his points jump to conlusions:  Wilson from Project Lazarus.

Somehow it's impossible that he would betray Cerberus, because he's going to be rich and famous anyways, so he has no need for any monetary gain.  From the logs it's obvious he wanted to be accepted by Miranda as a equal in intelligence (or even had a thing for her, regardless of her bad attitude) and didn't feel appreciated by the organization as a whole.  People do bad things for reasons other than greed and fame.  They do it for their egos and self-esteem as well.  Some money on the side from the Shadow Broker doesn't hurt either (to be fair that's a Lostb revelation).

Instead of acknowledging some basic info which can be heard not 5 mintues before Wilson gets shot, he uses the renegade option "I knew Wilson was just trying to shoot me in the back," while playing some silly goofy music to make the scene look bad and make it look like Shep/Jacob never question the Wilson/Miranda plot.  The Paragon/Investigation options (which questions Miranda's trustworthyness ) explain better why Wilson may have been a traitor and why Miranda isn't or couldn't be via common sense.  Again though, Smudboy "failed" to mention that in his video.

If he was truly an impartial critic he wouldn't leave such gaping wholes in his arguments and would at least admit some good points to the story.  However, it's pretty obvious he's not an impartial critic when he uses almost every negative advert trick in the book.  I can't remember if he used black and white montages with eerie music though.

With regard to Wilson I would just like to note in Overlord the are automated announcements, in the geth ship part I think, talking about non disclosure clause in Cerberus contracts.

I kind of get the impression that anything a Cerberus scientist may come up with would be  completely owned by Cerberus.

I wouldn't want to deal with a Cerberus lawyer.

[Fixers0]

When the message doesn't wish to be heard people attack the messenger.

[Phaedon]

Fixers0 wrote...

When the message doesn't wish to be heard people attack the messenger.

Hardly. Not according to any ancient civilization, not even the Spartans.

Human nature just makes us like to kick arrogant people to bottomless pits, that's all.