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Someone With Mass wrote...
I guess by some people's logic, all cutscenes that takes place in space are "retcons", since there's no sound because there's no air in space.
Someone With Mass wrote...
You're right. They should just let the vacuum suck out all the air, just because one spot of the CIC isn't protected against radiation.
Someone With Mass wrote...
It's not a contradiction of the Codex just because they happen to use shields to not let the air slip out and there happens to be a sun shining its light at them.
Someone With Mass wrote...
Besides, I thought you and Zulu had jumped on the idiot train a long time ago and believed that nothing in the Codex can be trusted.
Someone With Mass wrote...
But now that it's convenient for you, you're treating it as the Codex of Infinite Wisdom. What a coincidence.
Modifié par Fixers0, 01 septembre 2011 - 02:27 .
Notlikeyoucare wrote...
No, because it has nothing to do with the story or the universe. It has no impact whatsoever
Someone With Mass wrote...
Notlikeyoucare wrote...
No, because it has nothing to do with the story or the universe. It has no impact whatsoever
Nor do the kinetic barriers that are not blocking the sunlight.
Someone With Mass wrote...
Notlikeyoucare wrote...
No, because it has nothing to do with the story or the universe. It has no impact whatsoever
Nor do the kinetic barriers that are not blocking the sunlight.
Someone With Mass wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
ME fields and kinetic barriers are explained in realtion to real-life sceince. When you explain something, then you have to be consistent with it workings. It's as simple as that.
Except for the little fact that it's physically impossible to change a object's mass without changing its form or molecular properties. The whole thing with mass effect fields is really just an excuse for...anything that's scientifically questionable.
The debris in the field is hardly slow moving in relation to the Normandy's speed, either.
Soldiers have automatic sheild that only engage at high speeds. Those case nothing triggerd the sheilds. Ship sheilds are different. They are not automatic. They have an on/off switch.Notlikeyoucare wrote...
I'm still at a loss as to how Saren was able to pick up Shepard if his Mass Effect fields were active. How did Shpard snap that guy's neck on Miranda's loyalty misson? How did Mordin punch Malon? How did Shepard punch Kolyat? How did Shepard push the merc out of a window?
What, did all of their Mass Effect fields conveniently wear off at just the right moment again?
EDIT: And HOW did Shepard tackle Vasir out of a window? There's no way her shields were down. And why did Shepard take so long to get up from falling? The floor is stationary right?
Fixers0 wrote...
They do, the prove that Bioware doesn't give a **** about lore or consistancy to the lore they established theirself
Balek-Vriege wrote...
This Kinetic Barrier/Debris thing has been explained. Lets put it into simple terms shall we:
1. Kinetic Barriers are meant to stop things travelling at high velocities.
2. We know Debris in space around Earth travels at bullet like velocities even if they look like they're traveling at super slow speeds. (International Space Station is threatened by it all the time How fast could debris be flying around Black holes etc?)
3. EDI mentions that Kinetic Barriers were not designed to stop debris of that SIZE
4. The upgraded Kinetic Barriers (explained in CODEX) work differently than normal ones, basically being smart shields by sureing up where something is going to hit rather than protecting the whole ship
5. After EDI warns Joker he says good thing we updated.
6. Debris hits the upgraded shields and they protect the ship
That issue is 100% explained.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
When you explain something, then you have to be consistent with it workings. It's as simple as that.
You can forget about:
"It's a game!" "It's fiction!"
That **** dont' fly by me son. It's lazy, and nothing more than an attempt to just handwave/ignore the problem.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The debris in the field is hardly slow moving in relation to the Normandy's speed, either.
Compared to mass drivers? It's slow as hell.
Someone With Mass wrote...
There are GARDIAN defense towers on Horizon. Going to whine about them being a retcon just because they aren't shooting lasers in the cutscene too?
dreman9999 wrote...
Soldiers have automatic sheild that only engage at high speeds. Those case nothing triggerd the sheilds. Ship sheilds are different. They are not automatic. They have an on/off switch.Notlikeyoucare wrote...
I'm still at a loss as to how Saren was able to pick up Shepard if his Mass Effect fields were active. How did Shpard snap that guy's neck on Miranda's loyalty misson? How did Mordin punch Malon? How did Shepard punch Kolyat? How did Shepard push the merc out of a window?
What, did all of their Mass Effect fields conveniently wear off at just the right moment again?
EDIT: And HOW did Shepard tackle Vasir out of a window? There's no way her shields were down. And why did Shepard take so long to get up from falling? The floor is stationary right?
Someone With Mass wrote...
Why is it that everyone thinks that mass effect fields have only one mode and can block only one kind of objects?
You know what the sun can also do? Blind him. It's his own damn fault if he stares directly into a sun, not the shield's.
Fixers0 wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
There are GARDIAN defense towers on Horizon. Going to whine about them being a retcon just because they aren't shooting lasers in the cutscene too?
I could adress them as being another Retcon, but i allready made my point.
You do know it never states what size the object is that can be slapped a way and we have a visual sample of how it works.Guldhun2 wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
Aren't cut-scenes where "rule of cool" moments are most applicable? Similar to how Saren is able to one-shot Nihlus which works better from a visual effect, than having to shoot him five times?
Ok then, let's take a watch at the description of those upgraded shields.
Multicore shielding utilizing Cyclonic Barrier Technology (CBT) can be refitted to the Normandy SR-2 (Upgrade, Cost: 15,000 Palladium). The CBT violently slaps aside rather than halting incoming linear force. By rotationally firing their mass effect field projectors, the ship creates rapidly oscillating kinetic barriers instead of static ones. Shooting through the CBT is like trying to shoot at a target inside a spinning ball. If an emitter is damaged, the CBT corrects to become a traditional shield array, a safety feature that makes it most effective during opening volleys.
Do you noticed the most important word in that description? The one word which proofs dreman9999 wrong.
You don't see it?
Ok i'll help---->The CBT violently slaps aside rather than halting incoming linear force
You notice the word? Still don't see that important word?
Ok then, i'll bold it ---->The CBT violently slaps aside rather than halting incoming linear force
That means rather that standard kinetic barriers. Which don't stop any direct impact from slow moving objects like the massive chunks of debris. So the CBT only "slaps aside" small objects traveling at rapid velocities.
THANK YOU AND GOOD NIGHT.
Someone With Mass wrote...
How predictable...
That reffering to stopping objects, not the sheilds turning on. What they do is the same thing. How they turn on is different.Notlikeyoucare wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Soldiers have automatic sheild that only engage at high speeds. Those case nothing triggerd the sheilds. Ship sheilds are different. They are not automatic. They have an on/off switch.Notlikeyoucare wrote...
I'm still at a loss as to how Saren was able to pick up Shepard if his Mass Effect fields were active. How did Shpard snap that guy's neck on Miranda's loyalty misson? How did Mordin punch Malon? How did Shepard punch Kolyat? How did Shepard push the merc out of a window?
What, did all of their Mass Effect fields conveniently wear off at just the right moment again?
EDIT: And HOW did Shepard tackle Vasir out of a window? There's no way her shields were down. And why did Shepard take so long to get up from falling? The floor is stationary right?
Really now?
"Kinetic barriers, colloquially called "shields", provide protection against most mass accelerator weapons. Whether on a starship or a soldier's suit of armor, the basic principle remains the same.
"
When did ship sheilds get an on/off switch?
Modifié par dreman9999, 01 septembre 2011 - 02:54 .
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Why is it that everyone thinks that mass effect fields have only one mode and can block only one kind of objects?
You know what the sun can also do? Blind him. It's his own damn fault if he stares directly into a sun, not the shield's.
Becuse it sez so in the codex you twit....
Someone With Mass wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
When you explain something, then you have to be consistent with it workings. It's as simple as that.
You can forget about:
"It's a game!" "It's fiction!"
That **** dont' fly by me son. It's lazy, and nothing more than an attempt to just handwave/ignore the problem.
Guess why they introduced mass effect fields...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The debris in the field is hardly slow moving in relation to the Normandy's speed, either.
Compared to mass drivers? It's slow as hell.
What the hell does the drive core have anything to do with this?
Fixers0 wrote...
Sure, it' not so hard to find all these holes and inconsitancies in Bioware's new writing style.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
ME fields and kinetic barriers are explained in realtion to real-life sceince. When you explain something, then you have to be consistent with it workings. It's as simple as that.
Except for the little fact that it's physically impossible to change a object's mass without changing its form or molecular properties. The whole thing with mass effect fields is really just an excuse for...anything that's scientifically questionable.
When you explain something, then you have to be consistent with it workings. It's as simple as that.
You can forget about:
"It's a game!" "It's fiction!"
That **** dont' fly by me son. It's lazy, and nothing more than an attempt to just handwave/ignore the problem.The debris in the field is hardly slow moving in relation to the Normandy's speed, either.
Compared to mass drivers? It's slow as hell.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
I dunno. You brought it up...
dreman9999 wrote...
That reffering to stopping objects, not the sheilds turning on. What they do is the same thing. How they turn on is different.Notlikeyoucare wrote...
Really now?
"Kinetic barriers, colloquially called "shields", provide protection against most mass accelerator weapons. Whether on a starship or a soldier's suit of armor, the basic principle remains the same.
"
When did ship sheilds get an on/off switch?
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