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[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

* sigh * "You are not Prothean, but you are not MACHINE either". Hmmmmm I wonder what machines he was talking about? It must have been the G- oh wait! "This eventuallity was well anticipated, this is why we sent our warnings through the Beacons." " I do not sense the taint of indoctrination, unlike the one who has passed recently. " Some worlds were utterly destroyed, others were conqured, their populations enslaved." See? The Collectors being Protheans is perfectly consistent, unlike the Reapers. ".... These indoctrinated servents became sleeper agents under Reaper control, taken in as refugees by other Protheans, they betrayed them to the MACHINES. "

Congratulations. You've figured out that the Reapers are part machines. Want a cookie?

*steals his cookie*
My cookie.

[Notlikeyoucare]

SpiffySquee wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

* sigh * "You are not Prothean, but you are not MACHINE either". Hmmmmm I wonder what machines he was talking about? It must have been the G- oh wait! "This eventuallity was well anticipated, this is why we sent our warnings through the Beacons." " I do not sense the taint of indoctrination, unlike the one who has passed recently. " Some worlds were utterly destroyed, others were conqured, their populations enslaved." See? The Collectors being Protheans is perfectly consistent, unlike the Reapers. ".... These indoctrinated servents became sleeper agents under Reaper control, taken in as refugees by other Protheans, they betrayed them to the MACHINES. "

What is your point? Even if Vigil knew that Reapers had organic parts (which there is nothing to say he did) he would still call them machines. Was Luke no longer human because he had a robot hand? Was data no longer a robot because he had a patch of human skin? If you eat a tuna sandwich, should I stop saying you are human? I guess the terminators that had human flesh were not machines either...

for the thousandth time, there is nothing in the game that states they are pure machines with no organic parts. Nothing. Just because Reapers have some organic part somewhere does not mean they are not machines, or that they would consider themselves the same as the things they eat. So they gave no indication of it? Good! That is why it is called a plot twist. 

You might as well be saying that since there was no indication that Vader was Luke's father in the first movie, that was a retcon too...<_<

Because machines with organic parts are cyborgs, not machines. EDI scanned the human Reaper and somehow concluded that ALL Reapers are the same.. Again, how does she know this based on the Terminator Reaper and none of the others? Vigil has just as much evidence as EDI to conclude that this was not some experiment they were doing. As for Darth Vader, there was no retcon because there was nothing to change. The same thing goes with Leia, theyaren't established a certain way or another, Shepard concludes Reapers are machines both in his dreams (which are vauge) and from his confrontation with Sovereign. Vigil concludes they're machines, we don't know how because the game does not give us the option of finding out,

Them being non organic is implied in the word "machine". If they were both, they'd be refered to as "cybernetic"

[Notlikeyoucare]

I can see this is going nowhere so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

[dreman9999]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
As I said before, what your seeing on Haestrom is the shield generator going out, not the shields being attacked directly.

Is this actually said in the game?  "Fries your shields" is the phrase that's used repeatedly, and isn't specific as to what's going on. 

Given the other observable facts, it is highly unlikely that the barrier generators themselves are being affected, or the Normandy and the shuttle would also lose their barriers.  The shuttle has to spend longer in direct exposure to the star than Shep ever does.  And all the other equipment that is not harmed  is exposed for just as long as the barrier generators in the armor.  The radios and computers built into the same armor are not affected. 

Unless you can come up with a canon-compatible way in which the squad's kinetic barrier systems are more vulnerable than any other piece of equipment they're carrying, you have an unaddressed contradition in your theory. 

Given how the barriers work and what they do, they'd be affected by particle radiation.  We see the personal barriers fail when exposed directly to the star.  Draw a straight line. 

And again, the shell of a gun or the metal in an armored suit would not be enough to step particle radiation energetic enough to have just punched clean through Haestrom's magnetic field and through miles and miles of atmosphere. 

That's the thing, all forms of rediation can be block with layers of cover. Which was my point in  my sorce I put up, Particl Radiation maybe stop by sheilds, but that does not mean it's th only radiation in an environment. Now, I never said it stops the radiation, only the it reduses it. In all form of radiation protection Layers of Metal and material is used  to hold it back. Hence sorce....http://en.wikipedia....hielding_design
Are you really telling me layers of high dense metal does not stop or delay radiation?

On point the radiation you deal with on Haestrom is solar radiation. http://www.youtube.c...864ynxhbk#t=17s
The fact that life can still live on Haestrom and you are on it with no helmet on and your only effective in the sun show it's not heavly hit with partical radiation. Especilly since it's in solar wind, cosmic radiation, and neutron flux in nuclear reactors. http://en.wikipedia....es_of_radiation.

Also, it's stated the sun light on the planet fries tech.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5D4jXy4XIw&feature=player_detailpage#t=132s


Your walking out in the sun. Your Shield generator is being fried being that it's tech and as it's being fried the genorator is losing power. THat's what your seeing. It's not the shield themselves be degrading.

I'm not telling you that metal won't mitigate particle radiation, I'm telling you that the amount of metal in the weapons and armor is not enough to stop the kind of particle radiation that makes it through a planet's magnetic field and atmosphere and still has enough power to have the effects that we see. 

If it were simply intense heating from the visible / IR / UV light, the barriers wouldn't stop the effects AT ALL, the squad would just start cooking as soon as they stepped out of the shadows.  Instead, we see a delay as the barriers fail over time.  If it were heating causing the barriers to fail, other equipment would fail -- guns would go though thermal clips faster while out of the shadows, for example.  And sealed helmets would be needed to avoid breathing in the superheated air. 

So why are the barriers the ONLY tech we see being affected? 

I'm not say any amout of layers will stop it. I'm say added layers will reduce the effects. Reduce.
And the squad did start cooking as soon as they get in the sun. They clearly tell you.
And it's not a imedate effect. It happens overtime, that why I refferto "Reduce."
And the gun are never out long enough to show effect. Why? Because you have to be in the sun. By the time effect are shown, Shep would be dead.
 
As for why the shield is shown to be the only tech to be effected, It's the only tech you have on that  would show an indication it's failing.

Modifié par dreman9999, 02 septembre 2011 - 09:14 .

[SpiffySquee]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

I can see this is going nowhere so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

Fair enough:)

[dreman9999]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

I can see this is going nowhere so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

Not till you see it's not a retcon.

[Guldhun2]

dreman9999 wrote...
Not till you see it's not a retcon.

dreman9999, i told you yesterday not to bother posting anything until YOU understand what a retcon is. You making **** up about what a retcon is doesn't cut it. Google it, read it, and try to understand. Then maybe search some examples in other games or movies. And when you finally get it, then come back here with your new found knowledge.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Again, bollocks. There's nothing special about Sheps relationships. What, you think there aren't any other people out there who are on good terms wiht various factions?
The Cipher is useless, since it already served it's purpose. The warning about the reapers is already out there.

Shep is not a powerfull anti-reper symbol, since 99% of hte galaxy doesn't know or doesn't belive in them.


Also, TIM's plan was redicolous since it hinged on

1) getting sheps body relatively in tact
2) reviving him (despite his hiribly mangled, decomposing corpse)
3) keeping his memories in tact inthe process
4) getting Shep to wrok with him
5) everyone hailing Shep and listenign to him (biggest WTF??)

If even one of those poitns fail, TIM plan fails. A huge investment of time and resources. A tottaly stupid plan that only a moron would think could work.

Ah, yes, because you have either played ME3, or believe that the second something's been used, it's completely useless.

Have you played ME3? No.
Was it of any use agaisnt the Collectors? No.
What can is possilby be used for? You have no idea.
Does TIM evne know about it?

Again, the cipher does not justify brinign back shep.

Also, people joined up with Shepard and were willing to work with him for the sake of the galaxy before. In ME1.

Even Garrus did something like it on Omega. If you tell people want they want to hear, they will help you.

And other peopel cna tell peopel what tehy want to hear. Talking is not a skill only Shep posseses.

Again, I'm aksing you want makes Shepard so special that TIM has to brign him back?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Alocormin wrote...
Now ME2 is finished. It had its rough spots. In spite of people insulting the game like playground bullies, insisting that everyone who loves it has no taste and is stupid, I feel it was successful in illuminating us about the enemy, and making the world more real. 

1) People criticizing Bio's work = bullies? Wow, some fanboys suffer from a persecution complex methinks.

2) Making hte world more real? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Lotion Soronarr]

SpiffySquee wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

"Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. YOUR lives are measured in years and decades. YOU wither and die.  WE are eternal, the pinnical of existance and evolution. Before US, YOU are nothing. YOUR extinction is inevitable. WE are the end of everything." Notice the contrasting here? The seperation between organic, and mechanical.

So what? If I was arrogant to the extreme I could say the same thing to my dinner. I eat a carrot. It becomes a part of me. That does not mean I think I am a carrot. Cars need oil to run. Are cars now oil? Plants need water to survive, does that mean plants are water? Look at the definition for retcon. Does sovy ever say, "I use no organic material in my construction." No? Then it is not a retcon. Period. I don't care what you felt Sovy was implying. Nothing he says goes against what was revealed in ME2. Unless of course you want to start calling your self a fish because you had a tuna sandwich. 

your'e going with that as an argument?........ really?

[Lotion Soronarr]

SpiffySquee wrote...
the definition of a word is just semantics now? You don't like the fact that it is not a retcon by definition so you just dismiss the definition. Wow...

Why not? You do it ALL THE TIME.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Have you played ME3? No.
Was it of any use agaisnt the Collectors? No.
What can is possilby be used for? You have no idea.
Does TIM evne know about it?

Again, the cipher does not justify brinign back shep.

The cipher and the Protean beacons were apparently enough for the Reapers to want his corpse.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And other peopel cna tell peopel what tehy want to hear. Talking is not a skill only Shep posseses.

Again, I'm aksing you want makes Shepard so special that TIM has to brign him back?

Listen to what TIM says at their first meeting.

That's enough for him to bring Shepard back.  

[Guldhun2]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Have you played ME3? No.
Was it of any use agaisnt the Collectors? No.
What can is possilby be used for? You have no idea.
Does TIM evne know about it?

Again, the cipher does not justify brinign back shep.

The cipher and the Protean beacons were apparently enough for the Reapers to want his corpse.

Yet, they blow his ship up and don't bother searching his body?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Have you played ME3? No.
Was it of any use agaisnt the Collectors? No.
What can is possilby be used for? You have no idea.
Does TIM evne know about it?

Again, the cipher does not justify brinign back shep.

The cipher and the Protean beacons were apparently enough for the Reapers to want his corpse.

And? They were curious to see if the Cipher did any mutations or changes.

[Someone With Mass]

Guldhun2 wrote...

dreman9999, i told you yesterday not to bother posting anything until YOU understand what a retcon is. You making **** up about what a retcon is doesn't cut it. Google it, read it, and try to understand. Then maybe search some examples in other games or movies. And when you finally get it, then come back here with your new found knowledge.

A retroactive continuity is when you're erasing or replacing pre-existing facts about characters, plots, events or any other item and/or pretend like the outcome was different or it didn't happen at all.

I have yet to see anything in ME2 that does this in a crystal clear way.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 02 septembre 2011 - 10:49 .

[Notlikeyoucare]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And other peopel cna tell peopel what tehy want to hear. Talking is not a skill only Shep posseses.

Again, I'm aksing you want makes Shepard so special that TIM has to brign him back?

Listen to what TIM says at their first meeting.

That's enough for him to bring Shepard back.  

And that was?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And other peopel cna tell peopel what tehy want to hear. Talking is not a skill only Shep posseses.

Again, I'm aksing you want makes Shepard so special that TIM has to bring him back?

Listen to what TIM says at their first meeting.

That's enough for him to bring Shepard back.  

I know what TIM sez. It's compelte garbage.

Makes no sense...at all. In reality, people would consider him mad for such redicolous plan and stage a coup.

TIM saying "you're unique" is no explnation if you cannot explain why he's so uber-unique. And all your attempts to do so have failed.
So you default back to "the game tells us he is!"

[Someone With Mass]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Yet, they blow his ship up and don't bother searching his body?

Oh, but they did.

Cerberus just got their hands on his body before the Collectors did.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I know what TIM sez. It's compelte garbage.

Makes no sense...at all. In reality, people would consider him mad for such redicolous plan and stage a coup.

TIM saying "you're unique" is no explnation if you cannot explain why he's so uber-unique. And all your attempts to do so have failed.
So you default back to "the game tells us he is!"

You don't like their reason to bring Shepard back. Too bad.

That does not make their reason invalid.

[Guldhun2]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Guldhun2 wrote...

dreman9999, i told you yesterday not to bother posting anything until YOU understand what a retcon is. You making **** up about what a retcon is doesn't cut it. Google it, read it, and try to understand. Then maybe search some examples in other games or movies. And when you finally get it, then come back here with your new found knowledge.

A retroactive continuity is when you're erasing or replacing pre-existing facts about characters, plots, events or any other item and/or pretend like the outcome was different or it didn't happen at all.

I have yet to see anything in ME2 that does this in a crystal clear way.

Oh i'll give you one of the top of my head. Shepard knowing what thermal clips are. Thank you.

Modifié par Guldhun2, 02 septembre 2011 - 10:54 .

[Notlikeyoucare]

What body? How in the world did Shepard's body survive that?

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


your'e going with that as an argument?........ really?

Why not? 

I've seen you go with "I don't like it, and it's crap" as an argument all the time.

[Guldhun2]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Guldhun2 wrote...

Yet, they blow his ship up and don't bother searching his body?

Oh, but they did.

Cerberus just got their hands on his body before the Collectors did.

No they didn't, they blew up the ship and left. Then a long time later they ask the shadow broker. WHY NOT GO DIRECTLY DOWN TO THE PLANET.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I know what TIM sez. It's compelte garbage.

Makes no sense...at all. In reality, people would consider him mad for such redicolous plan and stage a coup.

TIM saying "you're unique" is no explnation if you cannot explain why he's so uber-unique. And all your attempts to do so have failed.
So you default back to "the game tells us he is!"

You don't like their reason to bring Shepard back. Too bad.

That does not make their reason invalid.

Givne that the reason makes no sense and it's not backed up by anything....yes. That makes the reason compeltely invalid.

Try again.