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[dreman9999]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...

Thanks. My wording gets sloppy during early hours of the morning

Oh, no problem, 

But seriously think the quality of the writing in Mass Effect 2 is absymal, the litterly had to screw the believablity narative, like they were deliberately to insult our intelligence and break the suspension of disbelief, guess what, the succeeded.

My biggest problem more than anything is that it could have been so much more. They had the time, money, and resources, to tell it properly and we get this. It wouldn't have bothered me so much if things were more coherent, consise, and clear.. Establish the Collector base early on, have Shepard's death be involve with the story somehow, have sufficient build up to the Reaper info dump, anything. Write something worth experiencing.

That the thing. After what happen in ME1 in virmir, Do you thing the reapers would allow a consentrated base for their ageints in  normal space? No. They would want their enemies/target to have  vague details for it. If you have no easy to go to base to go to....How can you get the info about  the reapers? You can't.  So when you got to one, you got all the details at once.
The strentgh of ME has alway been it universe and ME1 did not have enough of it to interact with. ME2 took that idea and ran with it. It made the universe deeper and more interactive. Did we know that Dr. Chakwas is a fun drunk or how life is like on tuchanka? No, but ME2 expanded on this.

[Iakus]

dreman9999 wrote...

1.That's because they want to focus on the war in hand. Cerberus doesn't bring it up because they want to control Shepard. Shepard doesn't talk about it because he/she doesn't understand it. And the non-cerberusCrew doesn't mention it because they also know nothing of the details.

If Shepard doesn't understand it then why doesn't Shepard try to find out?  Ask Mordin how something like this could be possible?  Ask Tali or Kasumi to snoop around Cerberus computers?  Ask EDI after she's been unshackled?  Like I said, it's not so much the lack of answers as teh lack of curiosity.

And if the Lazarus Project is unimportant, then by that logc, the Prothean beacon wasn't important either, because Shepard had more important things to do, like hunt down Saren and be a Spectre for the Council.

 

3. They started recuiting after they knew who they were facing. They learn the collector were  behind it from freedoms's progress and then started recuiting and the list was not finished at the start ether.

Who tehy were facing, yes.  But the plan was to "take the fight to the Collectors" go beyond the Omega IV Relay.  They started recruiting before learning anything like numbers, defenses, or even where they were going.  That strikes me as the epitome of stupidity.  The only smart move they made was to recruit Mordin, because he had the expertise to find a defense against the Seekers.
 

4. That's the only way to take it in a war or any life and death event. If your being hunted by a tiger and you have to kill it or it eats you, does it matter if you understand it's only hunting you becauseit's hungry? No, you kill it to live anyway. It's sad that the prothean were turned to collectors that way but you still have kill them anyway or die. You even talk to Mordin about this as well. Going on to fight them so you can live is theonly logical reaction the knowlege of the collector origins.

But Shepard doesn't sound sad.  OR angry.  Or enraged.  Or worried.  He just want to go shoot stuff.   Mordin is the only one to have anything to say about the Collector repurposing.  His whole "Everything replaced by tech" speech.  This reveal was supposd to be big, get a reaction.  The only person to have one was the hyperactive salarian who compartmentalizes his emotions.

[KotorEffect3]

The complainers are former fans that have been repurposed by the haters to suit their needs. Smudboy is like the complainer general but he is really being controlled by a hater.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Thompson family wrote...

I have no idea what you're talking about.

That's why there was a link, LS.

And I still have no diea wut your'e talking about.
I think you have made a mistake somewhere...

[Lotion Soronarr]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The complainers are former fans that have been repurposed by the haters to suit their needs. Smudboy is like the complainer general but he is really being controlled by a hater.

Everyone who complains is NOT a fan? Everyone who complain is a hater?

Talk about sacred cows....  LOOK! I'm wlaking on the same ground a bio dev walked on! Heresy! Go forth and fetch ye torches nad pitcforks, for surely anyone who comaplins must be a witch of the foulest sort!

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

I have no idea what you're talking about.

That's why there was a link, LS.

And I still have no diea wut your'e talking about.
I think you have made a mistake somewhere...

EDIT: He did it wrong.
But you have quoted yourself and argued against yourself in at least two different threads.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 03 septembre 2011 - 09:38 .

[111987]

What I don't understand about these haters/nit pickers is...do you analyze every game with this much detail and with this negative/skeptical of an eye? Cause if you did, you would never enjoy any game...which defeats the purpose of playing video games.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Alocormin wrote...

Gatt9: http://www.metacriti...0/dragon-age-ii
http://www.metacriti...c/mass-effect-2

Don't. Even. Try.

I have the high ground. (to quote obi-wan)

Eh..that's the scores of hte game as a whole..not the writing.<_<

[Lotion Soronarr]

Notlikeyoucare wrote...
1. Its still unexplained, there is no "mission" its literally nothing. A plothole, Why do all 13 have to come? Can we even fit 13 people into that thing?

IIRC you can only fit 8 people in there.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Notlikeyoucare wrote...
1. Its still unexplained, there is no "mission" its literally nothing. A plothole, Why do all 13 have to come? Can we even fit 13 people into that thing?

IIRC you can only fit 8 people in there.

12 According to the codex.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 03 septembre 2011 - 09:46 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

111987 wrote...

What I don't understand about these haters/nit pickers is...do you analyze every game with this much detail and with this negative/skeptical of an eye? Cause if you did, you would never enjoy any game...which defeats the purpose of playing video games.

Only things that catch my attention.
Usually things I'm invested in because I like em..and want to see the flaws GONE.

You really shouldn't judge everyone based on your own modus operandi and thoughts. Just because you'd only be harsh on things you hate, doesn't means everyone else will too.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 03 septembre 2011 - 09:44 .

[Sgt Stryker]

ME Wiki says it can hold a total of 14 - 2 pilots + 12 in the cargo space. Still doesn't excuse why every combat-capable team member has to leave for a pizza party in space, leaving the ship unacceptably vulnerable. That, and Grunt should really count for 2 or 3 people.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 03 septembre 2011 - 09:44 .

[Il Divo]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

The Codex says it can hold a total of 14 - 2 pilots + 12 in the cargo space. Still doesn't excuse why every combat-capable team member has to leave for a pizza party in space, leaving the ship unacceptably vulnerable. That, and Grunt should really count for 2 or 3 people.

If it had been Shepard + 2 squad mates, it would have been fine. As implemented, I do consider the shuttle to nowhere an insult to my intelligence as a gamer.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

I have no idea what you're talking about.

That's why there was a link, LS.

And I still have no diea wut your'e talking about.
I think you have made a mistake somewhere...

EDIT: He did it wrong.
But you have quoted yourself and argued against yourself in at least two different threads.

Nope.

Either you're confusing me wiht someone else, or you draging things out of context.

[TuringPoint]

Gatt9 wrote...

-I see no evidence of "Millions of people enjoying it",  did I miss a thread of millions of unique posts of "Great story"?  I've seen a handful of people trying to rationalize out something they wouldn't pay $10 for at a movie theater,  but I haven't seen millions praising it. 

-Why do people keep trying to use the "Critics" arguement?  DA2 got 10/10 at some sites,  so it's a better game than ME series?  Because otherwise,  it's much more likely that it's a function of the gaming press's current problems with objectivity,  and the stranglehold that publishers have turning the gaming press into another marketing tool.

-It's not hard to get a high completion rate when you can complete the game in under 8 hours.  The main path isn't very long.  Further,  the completion rate doesn't tell you very much,  because it's just datamining achievements,  nothing more.  Did X people finish the game?  Yes.  Did X people think it was a great game?  The data point doesn't tell you that.  It might be more significant if the game didn't have an extremely short primary path.

LS, this is what I was responding to.  He doesn't talk about the scores for writing in particular, just the overall game scores.  Sorry if I was mistaken and he was just talking about plot scores.

I have also repeatedly stated that Smudboy has valid points.  But also that he's not infallible.

I have not accused anyone in particular of believing this, nor have I blanket defined anyone who has ever agreed with smudboy, ever, as that would be stupid.  That group of people who has sometimes agreed with something smudboy says includes me.

That said.  I don't really like smudboy.  Considering the things he says about people who disagree with him openly, can't say I owe him any respect.  I do prefer to be respectful towards people, no matter my distaste for anything they do or say.

Modifié par Alocormin, 03 septembre 2011 - 09:58 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

I have no idea what you're talking about.

That's why there was a link, LS.

And I still have no diea wut your'e talking about.
I think you have made a mistake somewhere...

EDIT: He did it wrong.
But you have quoted yourself and argued against yourself in at least two different threads.

Nope.

Either you're confusing me wiht someone else, or you draging things out of context.

Nah here Ill send you both of your own posts.


http://social.biowar...6070/33#8223009

and then you rebutt yourself here

http://social.biowar...6070/34#8230811


The problem is you put thompson family into the quote,when you really quoted yourself.

You do it more then you think.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 03 septembre 2011 - 09:50 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

I have no idea what you're talking about.

That's why there was a link, LS.

And I still have no diea wut your'e talking about.
I think you have made a mistake somewhere...

EDIT: He did it wrong.
But you have quoted yourself and argued against yourself in at least two different threads.

Nope.

Either you're confusing me wiht someone else, or you draging things out of context.

Nah here Ill send you both of your own posts.


http://social.biowar...6070/33#8223009

and then you rebutt yourself here

http://social.biowar...6070/34#8230811


The problem is you put thompson family into the quote,when you really quoted yourself.

You do it more then you think.

Beautiful, just beautiful. :')

Talk about a fly in the lotion.

[Guldhun2]

Humanoid_Typhoon Kaiser Shepard Thompson family

You three need to reread those posts again. Because it seems like he's arguing against himself, but thats because the quoting was wrong.




Talk about a fly in the lotion.

Modifié par Guldhun2, 03 septembre 2011 - 10:09 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

It seems you're right...but he has done it in DoD.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 03 septembre 2011 - 10:15 .

[armass]

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

I repeat this a lot but people usually ignore me. Video Games are not stories. Video Games are not literature. We need to hold them to a different standard.

Plot is almost meaningless to a video game. Its a feature. And not even an important one.

Does killing Shepard right off the bat in ME2 the best thing for a story? Maybe not. But it was a hell of a way to start a video game.

Where have you been, under a rock?

Are you listening to yourself? Plot is not important... what rubbish!! Plot is VERY IMPORTANT!!!! Without plot this game is just space invaders with better graphics and nobody would give a damn!

Videogames have become the new medium for telling a story or a saga. It's not just mindless shooting anymore like the 80's arcade games.

Modifié par armass, 03 septembre 2011 - 10:37 .

[111987]

armass wrote...

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

I repeat this a lot but people usually ignore me. Video Games are not stories. Video Games are not literature. We need to hold them to a different standard.

Plot is almost meaningless to a video game. Its a feature. And not even an important one.

Does killing Shepard right off the bat in ME2 the best thing for a story? Maybe not. But it was a hell of a way to start a video game.

Where have you been, under a rock?

Are you listening to yourself? Plot is not important... what rubbish!! Plot is VERY IMPORTANT!!!! Without plot this game is just space invaders with better graphics!

Videogames have become the new medium for telling a story or a saga. It's not just mindless shooting anymore like the 80's arcade games.

Super Mario Galaxy 1 is the second highest rated game of all time. Super Mario Galaxy 2 is the third highest rated game of all time.

I happen to agree that plot is important, but ultimately, game play is what matter in a game. If you disagree, then you are in a very small minority and video games aren't the right medium of entertainment for you.

[armass]

111987 wrote...

armass wrote...

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

I repeat this a lot but people usually ignore me. Video Games are not stories. Video Games are not literature. We need to hold them to a different standard.

Plot is almost meaningless to a video game. Its a feature. And not even an important one.

Does killing Shepard right off the bat in ME2 the best thing for a story? Maybe not. But it was a hell of a way to start a video game.

Where have you been, under a rock?

Are you listening to yourself? Plot is not important... what rubbish!! Plot is VERY IMPORTANT!!!! Without plot this game is just space invaders with better graphics!

Videogames have become the new medium for telling a story or a saga. It's not just mindless shooting anymore like the 80's arcade games.

Super Mario Galaxy 1 is the second highest rated game of all time. Super Mario Galaxy 2 is the third highest rated game of all time.

I happen to agree that plot is important, but ultimately, game play is what matter in a game. If you disagree, then you are in a very small minority and video games aren't the right medium of entertainment for you.

There's a difference between games like Super Mario Galaxy and games like Deus Ex, Metal Gear Solid, KOTOR and ME. These latter games need a good plot to survive, if you just like mindless action and explosions, go watch a Michael Bay movie or play Contra. 

Modifié par armass, 03 septembre 2011 - 10:45 .

[Iakus]

111987 wrote...

Super Mario Galaxy 1 is the second highest rated game of all time. Super Mario Galaxy 2 is the third highest rated game of all time.

I happen to agree that plot is important, but ultimately, game play is what matter in a game. If you disagree, then you are in a very small minority and video games aren't the right medium of entertainment for you.

But the whole point of making a trilogy, one where your choices get imported and impact subsequent games, is to create a single coherant story over three games.  If the shooting mercs part was more important, why bother importing choices?  Why bother with dialogue?  Romances?  Paragon/Renegade scores?  

Bioware has always made story an important feature in their game.  It's why they're my favorite developer.  Story and gameplay go hand-in-hand.  If I can't trust them to keep that balance...

[Lotion Soronarr]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

It seems you're right...but he has done it in DoD.

H_T, iIcould sacrifice children to the dark god and dace naked in the moonlight, and it will still be the height of civlity and reason compared to some of your gems...

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

It seems you're right...but he has done it in DoD.

H_T, iIcould sacrifice children to the dark god and dace naked in the moonlight, and it will still be the height of civlity and reason compared to some of your gems...

could you retype that?

I can only read english.

You stay civil for about the first 2 pages of a thread,and then it's just "I'm smarter th3n you and my logic is infallible"

Don't start on your high horse again,it's childish.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 03 septembre 2011 - 11:12 .