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[Ghost Warrior]

Curunen wrote...

I apologise in advance of posting for not reading through all 11 pages of this thread.

But I must say having some sort of optional dialogue where Shepard finds him/herself in a hopeless/tough situation, where he/she can say a line such as "I hope to god we make it through this" or "Let's hope the cavalry come in time" and so on, is ambiguous enough to work.

Yeah,but that doesn't really mean anything. It's just an expression.

[Ghost Warrior]

warriorN7 wrote...

what is wrong with you people thousands of giant killer robots are coming to wipe out all life in the galaxy and you all want to a have a spiritual debate put down your bible and pick up dame rifle

Damn right! Prayers won't defeat the Reapers,actions will.

EDIT: Second time I double posted. Sorry,I just expected somebody to post until now.

Modifié par Ghost Warrior, 28 août 2011 - 10:10 .

[legion999]

warriorN7 wrote...

what is wrong with you people thousands of giant killer robots are coming to wipe out all life in the galaxy and you all want to a have a spiritual debate put down your bible and pick up dame rifle

Are you kidding me? Give me a sniper! Also I'll keep my bible and use it as a shield. If it worked in WW1 it'll work in 2186...right?

[Apocsapel91]

It should be an option; however, one that I would not utilize being atheist myself. I don't have a problem with it as long as it's not forced on us. For example, I don't think praying should be a paragon/renegade option, but a neutral one.

[legion999]

Apocsapel91 wrote...

It should be an option; however, one that I would not utilize being atheist myself. I don't have a problem with it as long as it's not forced on us. For example, I don't think praying should be a paragon/renegade option, but a neutral one.

If they did implement it I would want it to be neutral.

[J-Sheridan]

slimgrin wrote...

Here is my Shepards prayer:

Dear god, since I know you aren't real, I can wish for what I want, and expect my chances to be nill.

1. I want equality...HAHAHAHAHHAAH..just kidding

2. I want war to end..Pffffffft. Ok, I know, can't happen.

3. I want all races to look upon each other with respect.

God: tough sh*t, I like genocide. Pleases me.

4. Ok, can I just kill people in your name?

God: you bet! Nothing would make me happier.

The Reapers are your answer to your prayer... dont you see

1: Everyone will be equal when they are dead, liquified into Reapers or serving as minions
2: Reapers can end the war
3: Reapers are forcing all the races together to fight them and serve the true gods
4: Reapers allow you to kill without guilt or regret or any of that stupid Thou shalt not kill / Confession

Although in ME all Religions by default are extremely stupid to shove in with the nature of the game and the conflict.
At least Tom Cruise can be happy in the knowledge that ME makes Scientology look more realistic than any religion claiming the world was made in 6 days by some invisible creature that sits on it's ass watching the Reapers purge life cycle after cycle. Thats totally a being you want to pray too...

[Savber100]

The only way to solve this debate is to have a companion like Shepard Book from Firefly. 

Modifié par Savber100, 28 août 2011 - 10:16 .

[Chromie]

13th Pillar wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

if its optional i dont see the harm.

athiests, especially on the internet are probably the most annoying an intolerant people on the earth. they tend to push their beliefs on people harder than any religious person ive ever met. its kinda disgusting.

Yes, atheists espousing their nonbelief are the most annoying and intolerant people on Earth, and kinda disgusting to boot.
Look no further for evidence than the OP. A disgrunted atheist, wanting an optional dialogue of Shepard saying "There is no God." and the ability to initiate a cutscene of him reading Origin and high-fiving a chimp.

Better then being killed for not believing in some God. Right?

Savber100 wrote...

I want a companion like Shepard Book from Firefly.

That I would be fine. He never tried pushing his beliefs on Malcom but he was already to give advice and such.

Modifié par Ringo12, 28 août 2011 - 10:18 .

[Sailears]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Curunen wrote...

I apologise in advance of posting for not reading through all 11 pages of this thread.

But I must say having some sort of optional dialogue where Shepard finds him/herself in a hopeless/tough situation, where he/she can say a line such as "I hope to god we make it through this" (prayer) or "Let's hope the cavalry come in time" (not a prayer) and so on, is ambiguous enough to work.

Yeah,but that doesn't really mean anything. It's just an expression.

Exactly. It can be interpreted as that by one person, but it can also be interpreted as a prayer by another person depending on their roleplaying (and also depending on how the line is delivered and the situation - ie Shepard mutters it to him/herself quietly before engaging in combat).

Modifié par Curunen, 28 août 2011 - 10:16 .

[Lunatic LK47]

VaultingFrog wrote...

Religion has its time and place but those times and those places are not in a videogame played around the world by multiple beliefs and backgrounds.

If you feel the need to pray while playing Mass Effect I suggest you put down your controller and do it yourself.

There is no particular benefit to the game for adding something like this and in all probability it would cause massive issues for anybody playing it. I am some what amazed at how they touched on religion in Mass Effect already, but more or less left it as: religion exists in Mass Effect.... end of line.

I dont have a problem with people believing in a higher power. I do have a problem when they mainstream media it and cram it down my throat. If I want to believe, I will believe. If I dont then I wont. Having this in the game tells me that they would promote a single belief of religion just like any of those people walking door to door giving out unwanted advice and flyers (man those people are annoying, plus they damn me to "hell" whenever they see me). Again that just doesnt fly with me.

THANK YOU. Someone that I actually share the same thoughts with, unlike some troll pricks.

[warriorN7]

notice how shepard was dead for 2 years and no one ever asked him if there was an afterlife

[Ghost Warrior]

@Curunen - I see your point. Actually a good idea when I think about it.

[J-Sheridan]

Curunen wrote...

I apologise in advance of posting for not reading through all 11 pages of this thread.

But I must say having some sort of optional dialogue where Shepard finds him/herself in a hopeless/tough situation, where he/she can say a line such as "I hope to god we make it through this" or "Let's hope the cavalry come in time" and so on, is ambiguous enough to work.

Ashley "I hope to god we make it through this"
Shepard "His prayer lines are busy right now but maybe if we kill enough Reapers he will get the message "

Ashley: "Amen"

Done.

MACharlie1 wrote...
Just like not all atheists are built the same, neither are religious people or people who just believe. :innocent: 

I maybe Catholic, it doesn't mean I don't have a brain to understand that the Pope is just a man. 

Is God just a man cause I was under the impression he dosent approve of S/S either.
Are you willing to risk burning in hell for playing a sinful game like ME3 ?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But there are some great lines that could be used by a Renegade Shepard and should have been used just before shooting Balak: "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers and sisters. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

Of course I don't think Meer or Hale could deliver that line like Samuel L. Jackson.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 28 août 2011 - 10:32 .

[warriorN7]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

But there are some great lines that could be used by a Renegade Shepard and should have been used just before shooting Balak: "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers and sisters. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

Of course I don't think Meer or Hale could deliver that line like Samuel L. Jackson.

quentin tarantino might sue haha

[MACharlie1]

J-Sheridan wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...
Just like not all atheists are built the same, neither are religious people or people who just believe. :innocent: 

I maybe Catholic, it doesn't mean I don't have a brain to understand that the Pope is just a man. 

Is God just a man cause I was under the impression he dosent approve of S/S either.
Are you willing to risk burning in hell for playing a sinful game like ME3 ?

The bible (where it is "said" does not approve of s/s) is also written by man. Needs to be taken with a grain of salt. When I say that the Pope is just a man, I mean that he isn't God - just because he says something doesn't make it so. Just like the people who wrote the bible (and this through years of probably mistranslations) are merely men. It's not like the bible just dropped out of the sky one day. 

If I burn in hell for playing ME3 then I guess I was wrong in believing in a loving God. Of course I'd probably be burning in hell for a lot of things besides playing that sinful game. 

[budzai]

MACharlie1 wrote...



Is God just a man cause I was under the impression he dosent approve of S/S either.
Are you willing to risk burning in hell for playing a sinful game like ME3 ?

hmm the thing against the s/s was written by Moses and no one blames the jews because they deined the s/s interesting isn't it?

Modifié par budzai, 28 août 2011 - 10:53 .

[slimgrin]

I haven't reported this thread, just so we can keep talking about imaginary people in the sky. It's only fair.

[Davie McG]

I think it's a shame the people here are too immature do have an open discussion about religion in this game. Especially considering it is already a part of the Mass Effect galaxy.

The game is about the extinction of all advanced life in the galaxy, and Shepard's mission to prevent that from occurring / stop it from being fully accomplished. There are people of faith all over the galaxy. From the various religions on earth to the Asari Goddesses, Salarians belief in reincarnation and many others like the Drell and Hanar beliefs plus ones we may not have been told about yet. Shepard himself has the opportunity to affirm his believe in a "God" however it is not clear which God that is.

At a time when entire species are at risk of extinction to me seems to be an appropriate time to hear from the religious and their beliefs. Whether it is appropriate for Shepard to go into detail about his beliefs is arguable. However if it is indeed broached I think it should be in such a way that leaves a lot open to interpretation. As it was in Mass Effect 1 when the player could chose to say he believed in a God but it was ambiguous, no religion was ever specified. I think it should be a quick conversation also. Short and ambiguous seems the best way to go about it if it's to be went about at all.

Edit: typo.

Modifié par Davie McG, 28 août 2011 - 11:18 .

[Golden Owl]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Cults are different someone self proclaims themselves a god, the child of one, or are the only way to salvation only because they say so then forces through a variety of negative measures, isolation, sleep deprivation, and brainwashing, ect to make their members believe whatever it is they say is true. The cult leader also has no power beyond persuasion and the ability to make their members fall in line. Members wishing to defect are more often blackmailed, mentally abused, threatened, or killed to prevent them from leaving.

Religion while they all believe in a god that is not seen but is everywhere, their gods all have written and established acts, there is no isolation, sleep deprivation, brainwashing, coercion,ect everyone is there of their own free will and if someone wishes to leave the religion they can and no one will stop them or use blackmail, threats, or force inorder to keep them.

So then Religons were cults but not anymore?

Anyway....

.........And this is why Sheps religon should be left out of ME....there are way too many variations and it's a hot topic, it's all about peoples deepest beliefs, whats most important too many...whether they believe in an Entity or not....how they see that entity, etc....too many variables that are as important to each individual as there are people.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 28 août 2011 - 11:17 .

[Drunken_Soviet]

To everyone

[Lord of Mu]

Almighty Reverent, father of Mattock, Collector, Avenger and Vindicator of Geth. Bless thy Aim and allow thee to use thou holy Shuriken to deliver a holy Tempest upon thy enemies. Should thy enemies descend upon thee
like swarms of Locusts grant thee the protection of thy Phalanx.

Empower thee with thy mighty Carnifex and protect thee from the most unholy of Predators. Bless thy holy Katana, Scimitar and Claymore and allow thee to be the Eviscerator of unholy Geth.

Guide thy scope to have the sharpness of an Incisor, the precision of a Mantis and the swiftness for a Viper. Grant thy mercy to all the Widows for they shall not survive thy holy Avalanche of Missiles and holy grenades.

With thou divine Arc Projector, allow thee to descend upon the Blackstorm with a Firestorm of holy Collector Particle Beams and enact your holy justice.

In the name if Cain, amen.

Modifié par Lord of Mu, 28 août 2011 - 11:38 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I'm still supporting the "Shepard for God-Emperor" route.

Because exterminating the Volus and Asari would be fun.

Oh and we can grind them into paste and use them for construction materiel!